Special Ed's Post-Olympia Observations

[George Whorewell]

One thing that needs to be said that no one is mentioning. Where in the fucking rule book does it say you get higher placments for being vascular? Flex Wheeler never had a vein run through his entire body even on the rare occasion when he had striated glutes. By your rationale Heiko whatever the fuck his last name is and Paco Bautista should be winning contests against guys who have better backs, legs- including hams and calves, abs and delts because  they are vascular and have veins running through half their bodies.  Half you retards yelling about this being vascular nonsense are the same ones saying melvin anthony or Victor martinez should have taken home the title or beaten Jay. Are they more vascular than jay?


That is all.

[dearth]

let me guess ed,

you're a coleman fan, maybe thatswhy you missed ronnie looking like shit next to cutler, particularly on the back poses

My Observations:

- It didn't matter how Ronnie and Jay looked on Friday -- the judges gave Jay straight 1's all the way. Even if Ronnie got tighter and Jay got weaker on Saturday, the outcome would have been the same.
- How on earth does Jay achieve that low level of BF without a vein in sight? I know naturals with better vascularity. Definitely no Munzer.
- Ronnie absolutely crushes Jay in the front double biceps, the most muscular, the front lat spread, the side biceps, and the rear lat spread and rear double biceps are close. Could somebody please explain exactly which poses Jay crushes Ronnie on and how it adds up to dethroning the champ?
- People who are doubting that Ronnie was told prior to the finals that he was not going to win shouldn't be too surprised. The judges scorecards after the prejudging is not considered a closely guarded secret. All it takes is one of the 17 (or so) judges to tell a friend/spouse/hooker and the word is out. With Jay's Friday scores in the bag, Ronnie had no chance to win.
- Ronnie should hang it up, not because he is no longer an awesome bodybuilder, but because this is the typical IFBB writing on the wall for him. Once the powers-that-be make up their minds about someone, it's over for them. For reference, see Nasser. Or Gustavo. Or Mustafa. Or Arntz.  Sure, sucking up can still do wonders (See Kamali. Or Victor. Or Cutler) but Ronnie has too much pride to suck kock at this stage of his career. If he had any dignity, he'd pull a Marvelous Marvin Hagler and never compete again.
- Ronnie and Jay is an apples-to-apples comparison. So we're still stuck with apples. If we're gonna pick apples, let's at least pick the biggest, freakiest apple (Ruhl) to win.  Otherwise, let's just pick an orange (Melvin) and dictate the change back to a symmetrical, aesthetic Mr. Olympia. Oh yeah, I forgot. Markus lives in Germany and won't be able to guest pose for $500 every weekend for the judges' own promotions/contests.

That's it. My mouth to God's ears. Deal with the truth.

Special "Straight Shooter" Ed

[RJB]

Ronnie looked like doodoo. You guys are so brainwashed.

[Old-Skool]

Observation-   WWWWHHHHAAAHHHHHHH

[Vince B]

If we go by what Ronnie Coleman says then Jesus and God didn't want him to win anymore. That would be difficult to deal with. Seems the judges agreed with God. What a bunch of sore losers on Getbig. Last year they blasted the Jay fan club saying Ronnie deserved to win. This year they are speechless and rambling on about what should have happened. The plain truth is Ronnie was not deserving of being in the top three at the contest. Lots of reputations were made on Saturday. I still think Dexter has the best physique if only his calves were bigger. There are so many ways to view a contest. Photos, videos and being there in person. Unless you had access to all three you probably cannot make a valid judgement about the placings. However, going by the photo comparisons then Jay is ahead of Ronnie for sure. It might be sarcrilege to place Ronnie other than in first place but this time the consensus is that Jay won fair and square.

There are some who preferred Victor and I can understand that. If we place a lot of importance on the back double biceps then Jay is the winner for size, proportions and thickness plus cuts. The rest have to get thicker across the back. Victor can win. Dexter can't with those calves. Ditto Melvin.

How would Ronnie Rockel feel when he was totally ignored? Look at the comparisons and you will see a guy deserving to be up there near the top. The idea that a guy can be grotesquely huge and then deserves to win is a misconception that should have been buried long ago in the Olympia. We should get back to rewarding the complete physique and take into account body beauty and lines. So what if Ronnie is huge? He just doesn't have the aesthetics and has gyno to go with the ugliness. His calves have little or no cuts at all. Something peculiar going on there.

We have a new champion and it will take a while to sink in here. That is natural because this place has been a Ronnie Coleman tribute place for the last 5 years. In retrospect perhaps things would have been different had Jay been placed first in 2001. I am glad he finally was rewarded for his physique. That others come here and lament about Ronnie C tells us more about them than it does about the state of bodybuilding. We have all criticized the IFBB judges in just about all of the recent contests. How did Kamali beat Dennis Wolfe? That is absurd. Dennis looked good at the Olympia. Can you imagine Kamali in that lineup? He would have been down there with Charles where they both belong.

[240 is Back]

he actually lifts weights unlike 240. 

I give squat racks DOMS.

[Unchained81]

Jay hair stylist must come from the lineage of Hitler's barber.

[ARMZ]

he actually lifts weights unlike 240. 

Dav "time to get back on" Bol

He didn't look that big on Crank Yankers..

[cqfd]

One thing that needs to be said that no one is mentioning. Where in the fucking rule book does it say you get higher placments for being vascular? Flex Wheeler never had a vein run through his entire body even on the rare occasion when he had striated glutes. By your rationale Heiko whatever the f**k his last name is and Paco Bautista should be winning contests against guys who have better backs, legs- including hams and calves, abs and delts because  they are vascular and have veins running through half their bodies.  Half you retards yelling about this being vascular nonsense are the same ones saying melvin anthony or Victor martinez should have taken home the title or beaten Jay. Are they more vascular than jay?


That is all.

I agree with you in that veins are not a must have.
Munzer was crazy ripped but did not have much vascularity in comparison with some current pro.
Dorian or 93 flex were not super vascular but had outstanding condition.
The problem with culter is not the vascularity but the lack of striations in the upper body.

[dragonfist]

From what I saw being at the finals, looking at the pictures and videos.  I can accept that Jay might have been a bit better than Ronnie this show, even though I'm a huge Ronnie fan.  What I find strange is the change in judging.  In the past a mildly better competitor would never be enough to dethrone the current champ.  The fact that the current Mr. O has an advantage has almost become cliché. Look at the 1997 and the 2001 Olympia just to name a few.  Based on the standard that has been set in the past Jay did not create a big enough margin to beat Ronnie unless they didn't want Ronnie to win.


Just my 2 cents

[Earl1972]

Special "Closet Levoneite" Ed

will you be here November 6 for the 2nd annual pic bonanza?

E

[gmflex]

Thanks for the compliments. But to everyone who thinks I'm 240, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Although Robo and I are friendly, we live 1500 miles apart. Trust me, one wife and kid are enough.

Even though sometimes we sound the same (we both have heightened bullshit detectors), there are a few differences:

1. 240 thinks the WTC Towers were rigged with explosives. I disagree.
2. 240 thinks 'Loose Change' is the gospel. I think 'Groundhog Day' is the gospel.
3. 240 doles out websites for sound legal advice. I dole out sound legal advice for websites.
4. 240 thinks the Pentagon was hit by a missile. I believe my mom when she says she watched the plane hit the building from her seat at work in DC.
5. 240 thinks Kelly did it in the bedroom with the stungun. I think it was Craig in the gym with the powerblock.
6. 240 is armed and dangerous. My underarms are dangerous.
7. 240 has never met the pros he pokes fun at. I have, and he's right, they're all dicks.
8. 240 provides good, quick websites for $300. I provide lousy, quick sex for free.
9. 240's baby will be the youngest kid ever to have a Flash website. My baby is 2 and I still haven't painted his room yet.
10. 240 thinks PDI is good for Pro bodybuilding. I think steroids are good for pro bodybuilding.

Special "250 or Bust" Ed

OH shti!!!
Priceless
Another classic special Ed post!!

[Special Ed]

let me guess ed,
you're a coleman fan, maybe thatswhy you missed ronnie looking like shit next to cutler, particularly on the back poses

I'm neither a Coleman fan nor a Cutler fan. I'm just calling it the way I see it. So put down your XS Team Cutler shirt and relax.

TOP TEN REASONS ONE MIGHT FAVOR CUTLER OVER COLEMAN

1. You still harbor "secret fantasy" stemming from the blonde counselor who "massaged" your penis in summer camp 20 years ago.
2. You grew up on a farm, and still have a fondness for horses with long faces.
3. Although wearing that old Klan outfit in the back of your closet is no longer "politically correct", rooting for the white guy is still okay.
4. Watching a genetic mortal like Jay win the Olympia provides your deluded mind with the thought that "Hey, if I just took the right cycle, I could look like that."
5. Because your own arms barely break the 15-inch mark, you don't really consider them a "key bodypart" in comparisons.
6. Deep down, when you go to the gym and see black dudes who've been training 4 months and already dwarf you despite your ten years of training, you think to yourself, "I'm Cutler, and they're all Colemans!"
7. You root for the Chicago Cubs.
8. Despite having molested your nephew on occasion, you feel a kinship with Jay Cutler as a "fellow family man".
9. You still think the fight between Gerry Cooney and Larry Holmes was stopped too soon.
10. You're Bob Cicherillo and the last time you got stood up like that was at the 1979 Rochester Junior High School Prom.

Special "Coming Soon to a Muscle Magazine Near You" Ed

[Vince B]

All the clever writing in the world is not going to change the result!

[Special Ed]

All the clever writing in the world is not going to change the result!

You have an astute command of the obvious.

Special "Once I Invent the Time Machine, Jay Cutler will never be Mr. Olympia, BOOHAAHAHAAA" Ed

[the shadow]

Both posts by Ed were great!

I agree...Jay didn't win because he was better, he won because Ron was getting boring for the judges and PR room. And to those who keep posting the pic of him right before the show - stop. That pic makes him look like hell. Huge GH head. No chest. Bits of gyno. Irregular abs. No forearms. Fucked up coloring (he's black with blue eyes and blond hair? and upper body lighter than lower, and blotchy). No veins. Big traps/shoulders. Dry and lean to the point of overdoing it and loosing muscle, but no veins and no serious stirations -- how does that work??



And nearly all the comparison shots show Ron as bigger and better.

EPIC RETARDED POST...dude just deal with this fact..JAY BEAT COLEMAN.....dude jays back made ronnies back look like shit..ronnie virtually had no lats,his left triceps all fucked up and yes his left quad was all messed up too...jay was spot and that resulted in beating marshmelow coleman..DEAL WITH IT

[Robbie]

Sorry to digress...

I don't want this to become another conspiracy theory thread however, there was some discussion a while back regarding the whole 9/11 debacle and I chimed in before having seen various pieces of footage (such as Loose Change amongst others) and I have to say that the evidence is kind of hard to refute that 240 was pointing out in that thread.

Nice posts Special Ed.

[the shadow]

More like: epic unbiased observations.

I don't like either Jay, nor Coleman. You are obviously a fan of Jays. Jay has more inherent disfigurement than a bad lat and tricep.

DEAL WITH IT

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

[thisiskeith12]

Fact is, Jay had Muscle, Ronnie had conditioning... on Saturday night.

[the shadow]

More like: epic unbiased observations.

I don't like either Jay, nor Coleman. You are obviously a fan of Jays. Jay has more inherent disfigurement than a bad lat and tricep.

DEAL WITH IT

dude i used to be a big ronnie coleman fan but at this years olympia he dissappointed me alot...i  am still shocked as ever that jay beat ronnie...i have to give the utmost respect to jay cutler by doing the unbelieveable...ronnies time is up...its always nice to support the champ and NOT THE LOSER...in this case ronnie lost fair and square...so its jay all the way...

[240 is Back]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

I cannot find the words to debate these six points you made.  You win.

[thisiskeith12]

Jay had muscle, Ronnie had conditioning.

[the shadow]

Shall I call you "lemming" or "fair weather fan" then?

dude i always supported jay in past as well and in the past ronnie was never that off..he always had back to win the olympia even at 2002 olympia he had the sickest back in the contest and also at mr olympia 2001 ronnies back was too good to handle for jay and also the rest of his physiue was also too much for jay to handle..but at this years olympia ronnie was never near th ronnie of yesterdays years..jay was the clear cut winner and because of that i am respecting jay even more than ever beofre..ronnis on saturday looked all washed out and looked injured in almost every pose..its sad that ronnie had to end like that..JAY IS THE REAL KING NOW

[rocket]

Mustafa was the softest guy in the show.

I agree with you special ed but I put it to you that atleast once Jay should have won against Ronnie so getting a bit of a gift can't be complained too much about.

[gatrainer]

Quote from: Vince Basile on October 04, 2006, 10:33:07 PM
All the clever writing in the world is not going to change the result!

You have an astute command of the obvious.

Special "Once I Invent the Time Machine, Jay Cutler will never be Mr. Olympia, BOOHAAHAHAAA" Ed

I think Vince has too tight of a grip on the scotch