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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2007, 07:22:37 AM »
Here is my baby...(my Mistress #1)



This is what I have on order...letter from Ducati says it should be here in November!

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/my2007/FamilyPage.jhtml?family=DesmosediciRR


PS - Laura...I have one in Black...the SRT (Dodge Charger)...I LOVE my "mistress #2" (as my wife refers to her)

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2007, 07:26:49 AM »
Here is my baby...(my Mistress #1)



This is what I have on order...letter from Ducati says it should be here in November!

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/my2007/FamilyPage.jhtml?family=DesmosediciRR


PS - Laura...I have one in Black...the SRT (Dodge Charger)...I LOVE my "mistress #2" (as my wife refers to her)

Yeah baby!
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2007, 07:26:54 AM »
But I'd prefer it in red, it will go faster...
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2007, 07:29:28 AM »

PS - Laura...I have one in Black...the SRT (Dodge Charger)...I LOVE my "mistress #2" (as my wife refers to her)
The black would be my second choice.  I am just drawn to the green Daytona.
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2007, 07:34:27 AM »
now you're talking about foreign motorbikes?

Just get a Harley and stay American.
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2007, 07:41:55 AM »
Black or Silver for sports cars.
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2007, 07:57:55 AM »
Black or Silver for sports cars.
Hmmm, depends on the car, but 9 times outta 10 I would pick black.  ;D
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2007, 08:04:12 AM »
now you're talking about foreign motorbikes?

Just get a Harley and stay American.
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When Hardly makes a bike that can keep up on the race track, not leak oil or cost 3x what other bikes do, then I may look into it.

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2007, 10:09:36 AM »
Al, I will take a wild guess at this but do you get the feeling that the metaphorical point of this thread has been missed?

it's getbig, even a gunshot might be too subtle . . .  :-\

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2007, 04:12:26 PM »
Ye wasn't ralking about cars? surely you weren't refering to women? cars are way too masculine for that 8) ok, except for the Jag E-type that's quite metrosexual (but a pretty car nontheless)

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2007, 05:04:51 PM »
5.7-liter HEMI V8 engine with MDS, 350 horsepower, 390 lb-ft of torque, Performance-tuned dual exhaust


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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2007, 06:03:12 PM »
Ye wasn't ralking about cars? surely you weren't refering to women? cars are way too masculine for that 8) ok, except for the Jag E-type that's quite metrosexual (but a pretty car nontheless)

i wasn't referring to just women . . . felt the metaphor worked both ways, even if i was personally thinking in terms of women.

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2007, 12:31:38 PM »
Certified? Yes -- Satisfied? Not always
Christopher Jensen, New York Times

Getting halves of two cars was not what Paulette Day expected when she bought a red 2004 Chevrolet Monte Carlo that year from a dealership near Detroit for $22,000. The car was used, but it was a "GM certified" car, meaning it had supposedly passed a rigorous inspection by the dealer. As General Motors says in its marketing material, buying a certified car means "the reliability of new and the affordability of used."

Not in this case. Day said she became suspicious about the car after noticing the paint did not match. After a mechanic put the car on a lift and saw the welds, Day learned that the car included pieces from the front of one Monte Carlo and the rear of another, both seriously damaged in crashes.

"I thought, being certified, there are supposed to be so many checkpoints to make sure the car is safe," she said. "I think they skipped over all of it. They would have had to notice that."

Certified used cars have become popular over the last five years, favored by consumers worried about getting a lemon when they buy used. A guarantee from an automaker that the car checks out is peace of mind for which an increasing number of people are willing to pay extra, sometimes $2,000 or more than a comparable used car. But some consumers are finding that certified does not protect them and some, like Day, are filing lawsuits.

Robert Minton, a GM spokesman, said the automaker would not comment on Day's case. Three telephone calls to the dealership, Rowan Pontiac GMC in Southgate, Mich., were not returned.

Automakers said buying a certified vehicle was the next best thing to buying new and that, in general, customers have been pleased with the programs. Indeed, most consumers who buy vehicles certified by automakers say they are substantially more satisfied with their vehicles than those who bought comparable used vehicles, said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research, an automotive research company in Bandon, Ore.

Certified vehicles "pretty much matched the satisfaction numbers you see from new cars," he said.

Spinella also found that in the last seven years the certified market had grown about 12 percent to 15 percent a year. Last year, new-car dealers sold about 6 million used vehicles that were one to four years old. About 1.7 million of those vehicles were certified, he said.

Automakers said that more than 100 items are inspected before a vehicle can be certified. Many involve major mechanical components and the frame. However, some of the inspection items are insignificant, like checking windshield-washer fluid, said Jack Gillis, the director of public affairs for the Consumer Federation of America.

If problems were found, the automakers said they had to be fixed for the vehicle to be listed as certified. Certification programs, which vary from automaker to automaker, usually cover current models and the previous four or five model years. Vehicles must have relatively low mileage, often less than 60,000 miles.

The automakers provide inspection guidelines and the extended warranty that comes with the certification, for which they charge the dealer several hundred dollars. The dealers conduct the actual inspections and decide how much more to charge the buyer for a certified vehicle. On average, a certified used car costs about $2,200 more than a vehicle that is not certified, CNW found.

One problem for consumers is that there are no industry standards to define what "certified" means. Anyone from a major new-car dealer to the owner of a small used-car lot can say a vehicle is certified.

Also, most automakers allow vehicles that have been in crashes to be certified if the damage was properly repaired and did not involve damage to the frame.

"So long as the damage has been repaired, most vehicles can be certified," said Virginia Y. Calderon, a San Diego lawyer who often handles complaints about certified cars. "You always have to be concerned about that."

In some lawsuits, automakers have denied responsibility by saying the dealer -- not the automaker -- certified the vehicle.

The only guarantee with a certified used vehicle is that the dealer and the automaker make more money, said Cliff Weathers, deputy editor for autos at Consumer Reports magazine.

With relatively new vehicles in particular, certification makes little sense because they are likely to be relatively trouble-free anyway, Weathers said.

Calling a used vehicle certified suggests it is better, but there is no way a consumer can be sure of that, said Rosemary Shahan, president of Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety, a California-based advocacy group.

Shahan lobbied the California Legislature to enact a Car Buyer's Bill of Rights, which took effect last year. It includes a certified used-car section that prohibits automakers from certifying a vehicle with frame damage.

"There are some problems with the manufacturer programs where they have been lax," Shahan said.

She also said that because the dealer paid the expense of any repairs, there was a built-in conflict of interest not to make them, Shahan said.

It is a system that depends heavily on the honesty and diligence of the dealer. Automakers said good dealers saw the value of the program and would not abuse it.

"Ultimately, the dealer is our eyes," said Larry Pryg, advertising and marketing manager for GM Certified Used Vehicles.

In Day's case that system failed, said Dani K. Liblang, a Birmingham, Mich., lawyer representing Day. It is hard to imagine how mechanics at Rowan Pontiac GMC could not have known that the Monte Carlo was two vehicles, Liblang said.

"It took our expert less than five minutes to figure out that this vehicle was two vehicles welded together with two different vehicle identification numbers," she said.

Auto company officials in charge of the certified programs said they ensured that the inspections were done correctly and that only the best used vehicles were certified. They conduct audits at the dealerships by inspecting some vehicles themselves. But many automakers warn the dealers in advance, with Toyota being an exception.

Automakers said they also checked the paperwork of vehicles the dealers wished to certify. That includes looking at Carfax vehicle history reports to see if the vehicle was in a major accident or had flood damage. But that still leaves consumers vulnerable because even major problems may not show up on Carfax, Liblang said. A Carfax inquiry run in April on the vehicle identification number for the front of Day's Monte Carlo showed no problems.

Shahan of the California consumers group said that buying a certified used vehicle was a waste of money and suggested that consumers use a different strategy.

"Basically you are paying a lot to have somebody else do an inspection," she said. "Instead, spend $100 or $200 and get your own inspection done."

Auto company officials responded that few consumers have the time or knowledge to find a competent mechanic familiar with the particular model. In addition, certified vehicles come with factory warranties.

Gillis of the consumer federation said he saw presale inspections as "generally a good thing" and "at least an attempt to sell a healthy vehicle." But he warned that a certified label was "no guarantee of a problem-free used vehicle."

Day, who still has her Monte Carlo, had some advice for those who find certified used vehicles alluring.

"Whether they say it is certified or not," she said, "take it somewhere and have it checked because you never know what you are getting."

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2007, 04:41:04 PM »
THere is a lot more profit in a used than new car. Way more room to negotiate.
Comish on a new Dodge 4x4 quad cab, loaded? about $400.
a very nice 330M... about $1100.   Which one you want to sell?

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2007, 09:19:57 PM »
Ye wasn't ralking about cars? surely you weren't refering to women? cars are way too masculine for that 8) ok, except for the Jag E-type that's quite metrosexual (but a pretty car nontheless)

Wow, ...talk about your confusing double entendres! :o 
I'm not even going to comment... I wouldn't know where to start.
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2007, 08:17:56 AM »
Personally, I prefer new. The same goes for houses. I can't stand buying something that someone else has used/abused.

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2007, 08:28:40 AM »
When it comes to houses, ...like you I prefer new. Don't like other people's energies lingering about.  :-X
But when it comes to cars, I like someone else to have to take the depreciation on it.
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2007, 07:12:30 PM »
When it comes to houses, ...like you I prefer new. Don't like other people's energies lingering about.  :-X
But when it comes to cars, I like someone else to have to take the depreciation on it.

Yeah, new cars are the worst hit out there, prob is finding ones that only got traded off to get a brand new model. 
 Stand a better chance of quality w/ the more expensive brands than the  Mc Transpo type autos.

Negotiate hard on ALL the used stuff, there's major markup compared to new. Sales has way more margin than they pretend.  New vehicle margin for the sales guy is poor, it's shocking. You need to be good to make it in car sales.

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2007, 01:12:51 AM »
Go with used.



Ten year old Mercedes still look and run like new and they cost a whole lot less.
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2007, 01:16:25 AM »
When it comes to houses, ...like you I prefer new.

It seems like they mostly quit building real houses after the 1940's though.  :'(
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2007, 01:32:10 AM »
It seems like they mostly quit building real houses after the 1940's though.  :'(

yeah, i hate living in my fake house.  :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2007, 01:34:38 AM »
Personally, I prefer new. The same goes for houses. I can't stand buying something that someone else has used/abused.

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Nah new houses are drop dead boring. Old houses are generally much prettier, have more charisma.

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« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2007, 05:21:41 AM »
Nah new houses are drop dead boring. Old houses are generally much prettier, have more charisma.
I prefer to buy new, fix it up myself and up grade it the way I want it, etc. i hate the thought of living in a used house where someone else sat on the toilets, painted tacky colors, stunk it up, etc. Just picky I guess.

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« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2007, 06:54:34 AM »
I prefer to buy new, fix it up myself and up grade it the way I want it, etc. i hate the thought of living in a used house where someone else sat on the toilets, painted tacky colors, stunk it up, etc. Just picky I guess.

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I completely agree. If you do the customization while the house is being built, you'll not only save considerably, you'll enjoy your home more. The time to knock out wall, expand or shrink rooms is when the house is being built. In addition, builders markup far too much for the upgrades. My sister & brother-in-law paid about 66% less for upgraded cabinetry and skylights than the builders were charging for the standard ones. They simply had the builders install the ones they acquired. They also chose the lot and had the skylights placed in such a way as to maximiza the natural light that would flow into the house. They ended up with far more house for far less money than anyone else in the subdivision.
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Re: Used Cars or New Cars?
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2007, 07:02:57 AM »
Older homes can have a lot of character that money cant buy these days, but be prepared for the experience of owning a rare import car. There will be constant surprises during repairs. Unusual things that add expense.

Up here in the cold, the newer homes are way more energy efficient. A giant old Victorian on lake front could be a $1000 per month heating bill in Wi / Min.!