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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Board_SHERIF on November 21, 2006, 11:43:17 AM
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This is now getting out of hand - today at the gym a "tard" was balancing on an exercise ball in the squat rack - thats it ! nothing else. "Tard" did this for approx 20 mins....
I guess this would also be acceptable behavior at planet Gayness, but the guy grunting while benching 400 plus pounds is ban worthy...
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This is now getting out of hand - today at the gym a "tard" was balancing on an exercise ball in the squat rack - thats it ! nothing else. "Tard" did this for approx 20 mins....
I guess this would also be acceptable behavior at planet Gayness, but the guy grunting while benching 400 plus pounds is ban worthy...
that clown wasn't benching 400lbs., he was quarter squatting 500 in the Smith Machine, if you look at him 400 would crush him on the bench.
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(http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/tjwes/swiss+ball+squats.jpg)
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One day someone's gonna fall on his/her ass, and a dumbell is going to crush the individuals face and kill him/her in the process.
Then it will stop. For a while. And a few years later, it will resurface.
Its called natural selection.
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this has got to be the gayest shit I have ever seen. this fcuking clown belongs to the circus, not the Gym
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who comes up with stupid exercices like that, wow what a genius
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(http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/tjwes/swiss+ball+squats.jpg)
I don't know, you can't really argue with that guy's quad development. ::)
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This is now getting out of hand - today at the gym a "tard" was balancing on an exercise ball in the squat rack - thats it ! nothing else. "Tard" did this for approx 20 mins....
I guess this would also be acceptable behavior at planet Gayness, but the guy grunting while benching 400 plus pounds is ban worthy...
Im with you but at some point in time you just have to look away and let the idiots of the world do away with themselves..
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I think the tards here are those who havnt yet grasped the concept of doing an exercise like this. He's obviously not doing it for MASSIVE QUADS... jeez.
Little something called balance, rehab, working around existing injuries, motor unit recruitment, etc.
Seriously. This pic has been posted like 99million times and I'm still willing to bet that maybe two people on this entire board could pull this off. A feat nonetheless if only a few can do it right?
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I think the tards here are those who havnt yet grasped the concept of doing an exercise like this. He's obviously not doing it for MASSIVE QUADS... jeez.
Little something called balance, rehab, working around existing injuries, motor unit recruitment, etc.
Seriously. This pic has been posted like 99million times and I'm still willing to bet that maybe two people on this entire board could pull this off. A feat nonetheless if only a few can do it right?
everytime I see that picture I bust out laughing
to be honest I am not sure that many guys on here want to do that "exercise"
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One day someone's gonna fall on his/her ass, and a dumbell is going to crush the individuals face and kill him/her in the process.
Then it will stop. For a while. And a few years later, it will resurface.
Its called natural selection.
LOL "natural selection"
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I think the tards here are those who havnt yet grasped the concept of doing an exercise like this. He's obviously not doing it for MASSIVE QUADS... jeez.
Little something called balance, rehab, working around existing injuries, motor unit recruitment, etc.
Seriously. This pic has been posted like 99million times and I'm still willing to bet that maybe two people on this entire board could pull this off. A feat nonetheless if only a few can do it right?
TRANSLATION:
"I am the douche on the ball"
::)
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you jealous twunts, you wish you had the smarts to invent such a unique and effective exercise that is the swedish ball squat. his ankles are on the brink of snappage but his quads are fryed.
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I think the tards here are those who havnt yet grasped the concept of doing an exercise like this. He's obviously not doing it for MASSIVE QUADS... jeez.
Little something called balance, rehab, working around existing injuries, motor unit recruitment, etc.
Seriously. This pic has been posted like 99million times and I'm still willing to bet that maybe two people on this entire board could pull this off. A feat nonetheless if only a few can do it right?
Ony time I used those exercise balls is when some fat bitch was using the roman chair and I wanted to rush my workout so I grabbed a gay ball, procedded to do my set of 50 reps and let out one of those roaring wind farts, the kindthat sounds like you tore your pants, it was priceless. Needless to say when people ask me about exercise balls, I reply to them " I shit on exercise balls"
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TRANSLATION:
"I am the douche on the ball"
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Yep
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Squatting on an exercise ball looks dangerous.
Not too good if that's the only squat rack available. There are certain things you can do elsewhere and not take up actual weightlifting space. Bodyweight squatting on an ex. ball is one of them.
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This is now getting out of hand - today at the gym a "tard" was balancing on an exercise ball in the squat rack - thats it ! nothing else. "Tard" did this for approx 20 mins....
I guess this would also be acceptable behavior at planet Gayness, but the guy grunting while benching 400 plus pounds is ban worthy...
Are you in Vegas? I saw this exact same thing yesterday.
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you jealous twunts, you wish you had the smarts to invent such a unique and effective exercise that is the swedish ball squat. his ankles are on the brink of snappage but his quads are fryed.
lol
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i cant help but wonder everytime how the guy got himself positioned on the swissball like that, especially with 135 on his shoulders...that's a feat in itself.
Oh, and Sean, you've got a point when you're saying he isn't doin that for massive quads, but there are many better& SAFER excercises for balance, rehabilitation and motor unit recruitment than squatting on a swissball...wouldn't you agree?
Peace
D
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I just joined a new gym. There was a guy and his girlfriend or wife training with one of those rubber balls but it is only half a one with a solid bottom. They would stand on the flat part and balance themselves while doing some dumbell work. It was fucking hilarious watching these two. Every other rep they would fall off or start to teter to one side. They were doing side laterals and kept fallingoff so the other one would hold them. It truly was a sight.
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This is now getting out of hand - today at the gym a "tard" was balancing on an exercise ball in the squat rack - thats it ! nothing else. "Tard" did this for approx 20 mins....
I guess this would also be acceptable behavior at planet Gayness, but the guy grunting while benching 400 plus pounds is ban worthy...
I saw this in my gym too. He could slip and fall with the bar knocking someone out or hurting someone really badly. Why do people invent there own exercises? With all of todays modern day free weights and equipment there always seems to be a squid that has to do something stupid.
As for buddy that got banned at Planet Shitness, I saw it on the news yesterday and he has a fleet of lawyers and is suing that fat ass gym manager. He went mainstream public with this and I hope that fat ass gym manager gets what she deserves.
PB
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Are you in Vegas? I saw this exact same thing yesterday.
No I am in Toronto.... I guess this is a new fad. If this ball balancing is for rehab why is it not done at a Physiotherapy place ? if at a gym then it should be done in a back room...
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This is now getting out of hand - today at the gym a "tard" was balancing on an exercise ball in the squat rack - thats it ! nothing else. "Tard" did this for approx 20 mins....
I guess this would also be acceptable behavior at planet Gayness, but the guy grunting while benching 400 plus pounds is ban worthy...
Have you ever tried it? It isn't easy and should be apart of an athletes regular core training, balance is a HUGE part of athletic training and what that dude is doing is a regular part of sports teams strength programs, if this guy wasn't hanging on to the rack an was just balancing of that stability ball that's an awesome feat, I know many hockey players who do the same thing.
BTW, the dude doing squats on the ball is just plain retarded!
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Don't knock the exercise if you don't understand the concept Mongo. There's a little more to weight training than maxing out. I love you local, amateur, "bodybuilders". Dime a dozen.
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Don't knock the exercise if you don't understand the concept Mongo. There's a little more to weight training than maxing out. I love you local, amateur, "bodybuilders". Dime a dozen.
translation= you have yet to bench 225 and you hate anyone who is strong.
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Obvious comeback from Mongo the strongman. Relax Bam Bam, very few care how strong you are in your little local gym.
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I`ve seen this phenomenon at my gym as well.
It seems that the majority of these turds are being "trained" to do so by "certified" personal trainers.
The funniest part is that at my gym, one of the trainers was just promoted from the guy who would wipe down the machines and put the weights back.
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I just joined a new gym. There was a guy and his girlfriend or wife training with one of those rubber balls but it is only half a one with a solid bottom. They would stand on the flat part and balance themselves while doing some dumbell work. It was fucking hilarious watching these two. Every other rep they would fall off or start to teter to one side. They were doing side laterals and kept fallingoff so the other one would hold them. It truly was a sight.
Why do dudes want to train with their wife's anyway? Like if they use to spend 24/7 together.
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Don't knock the exercise if you don't understand the concept Mongo. There's a little more to weight training than maxing out. I love you local, amateur, "bodybuilders". Dime a dozen.
That should be done in a fitness centre away from a crowd of people tying to train. If this guy falls, he could seriously hurt someone. With all of todays modern day equipment, surly he could find a better way to train his legs. Its these "fitness guys" that are a dime a dozen. You always catch them doing ridiculous things that in a gym and they always get in the way of people who are trying to train.
PB
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It's an exercise to help athletic performance. Ever hear of balance. It would have no use to you meatheads with the zits on your shoulders but it would help an ATHLETE who plays an ATHLETIC sport.
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He pays the same dues you do Playboy. Maybe he thinks you're in HIS way. And maybe he thinks what you're doing is ridiculous.
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He pays the same dues you do Playboy. Maybe he thinks you're in HIS way. And maybe he thinks what you're doing is ridiculous.
Then if thats the case he should join a fitness gym and not a bodybuilders gym. They have fitness centers for people who want to train like that. You don't join a bodybuilding gym to do pushups and situps. Or in his case ball squats. Frankly, what he is doing on that ball is dangerous and could hurt someone. It has Zero value in a bodybuilding gym with modern day equipment. I wish you pipsqueaks would understand that.
PB
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Obvious comeback from Mongo the strongman. Relax Bam Bam, very few care how strong you are in your little local gym.
Thats because he's telling the truth.
PB
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I`ve seen this phenomenon at my gym as well.
It seems that the majority of these turds are being "trained" to do so by "certified" personal trainers.
The funniest part is that at my gym, one of the trainers was just promoted from the guy who would wipe down the machines and put the weights back.
HAA HAA - at my gym when the personal trainers are busy, the guy/girl who wipes down the machines trains/gives advice.. :-\
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Just because he's not grunting with his back arched on a bench press or walking around with wraps on his legs doesn't mean what he's doing is useless. As I said, maybe he's an ATHLETE, training for a sport. If you ever had the chance to check out an NFL weightroom in the off season, you would see all types of exercises which the average meathead from the local gym wouldn't understand. There are many pipsqueaks that would blow you away in athletic ability.
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I think the tards here are those who havnt yet grasped the concept of doing an exercise like this. He's obviously not doing it for MASSIVE QUADS... jeez.
Little something called balance, rehab, working around existing injuries, motor unit recruitment, etc.
Seriously. This pic has been posted like 99million times and I'm still willing to bet that maybe two people on this entire board could pull this off. A feat nonetheless if only a few can do it right?
C'mon, nobody in their right mind would advise squats on a swiss ball for rehab. If it's balance you are after, then perform one legged bodyweight squats or something else SAFE, but what you see here is just not safe. I would hope that there are no more then 2 people who are willing to pull this stunt off, because I don't think people are that dumb to attempt it. Bottom line: There are plenty of exercises for balance, rehab and motor unit recruitment which are far safer then squatting on a ball with a barbell on your shoulders.
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Don't knock the exercise if you don't understand the concept Mongo. There's a little more to weight training than maxing out. I love you local, amateur, "bodybuilders". Dime a dozen.
hahaha. Translation: You one day aspire to be as massive as an A&F model. hahahaha, queer.
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It's an exercise to help athletic performance. Ever hear of balance. It would have no use to you meatheads with the zits on your shoulders but it would help an ATHLETE who plays an ATHLETIC sport.
If it's balance he's after why the barbell on the shoulders? He doesn't need more then bodyweight if he's truly working on balance. Why not a simple one-legged bodyweight squat or something else safe? What's next, people lying in the legpress machine inverted doing next extensions?
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It's an exercise to help athletic performance. Ever hear of balance. It would have no use to you meatheads with the zits on your shoulders but it would help an ATHLETE who plays an ATHLETIC sport.
It doesnt halp Athletic Performance one bit.
Swiss Ball Use and Abuse: Q&A with Charles Poliquin
Q: You've written some articles in the past about the use of Swiss balls. Today it seems like stability balls and their ilk are being abused and overused. Have your feelings changed about Swiss balls?
A: The problem with Swiss balls is that people started doing things with them that their bodies weren't designed to do! For example, squatting on the Swiss ball is completely moronic. It's a party trick.
One of the problems is that you have to squat bowlegged. There's actually one guy in the industry who was showing off by doing it at a seminar. He jumped off and blew his ACL! What happens is that you put the ligament in a bad stretch from squatting bowlegged.
Now, if you use the Swiss ball to modify the strength curve like I've done with some arm training movements, I think that's fine.
With Poliquin's lean-away eccentric curls, you sit with your back and triceps resting against the side of a Swiss ball. Perform the concentric (lifting) range of a seated dumbbell curl. Once you curl the dumbbells to the top, raise your hips so that your thighs are parallel to the floor. Your upper body should then be literally on top of the ball. Lower the dumbbells down and away from you. Lower the hips and repeat until you hit your target number of reps.
Also, Swiss balls are good for certain core exercises. The problem is when people say that Swiss balls cure cancer and get the IRS off your back. There are people out there making outrageous claims.
Recent research has shown that Swiss ball training for your core works only for six weeks (which is what I've been saying since '94). You'll get more abdominal activation from the squat and deadlift than any Swiss ball exercise, no matter how difficult. So if you're an untrained person, you can do the Swiss ball, but after six weeks you'll top out on the gains you'll get.
About 70% of Swiss ball exercises are worthless. It's just one of those things where people are taking an idea too far. There's some value to it, but it's not a cure-all.
Most personal trainers and strength coaches just don't know how to get people strong. I remember talking to this one trainer who uses all these stability gizmos. I asked him why he used all that shit and he said, "I'm not good, so I have to do these weird things so people will come to see me."
I remember seeing him make this post-menopausal woman do one-hand split jerks with a fat dumbbell. Now, Adam Nelson is one of the best shot-putters in the world and I don't make him do that! The risks are way too high.
The problem with using Duradisks and similar devices is that you have to use loads that are so insignificant that none of the prime movers really get activated. So if a woman can overhead press a 25-pound dumbbell, she'll only be able to use an eight pounder while performing this circus act on a stability device. She just won't be overloading her muscles.
I call it "entertainment training," not strength training. And any time I see that horseshit, I want to kick the personal trainer in the head with a pair of steal-toe construction boots.
And the BOSU ball? The BOSU ball is a Swiss ball for morons! Again, when you stand on it you're always bowlegged. Why do you want to get into a position that's not good for your knees and ankles? What about doing it on one foot? So what, then you have to reduce the load!
One of the dumbest things I see is the lying dumbbell press on a Swiss Ball using only one arm. The most a 180 pound guy will be able to use is about 45 pounds. Why? Because if you use more, you're going to flip over. Now, the same guy can use much more than 45 pounds to do regular flat dumbbell presses. So what's the point?
"Oh, it activates the core." Yeah, and to what degree? All you're doing is firing some stabilizers just to control yourself so you don't flip over, but you're not overloading the pressing muscles. So again, this is just entertainment training. It's circus training and it doesn't do anything!
Now, these devices do work well... in marketing terms. It's like
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C'mon, nobody in their right mind would advise squats on a swiss ball for rehab. If it's balance you are after, then perform one legged bodyweight squats or something else SAFE, but what you see here is just not safe. I would hope that there are no more then 2 people who are willing to pull this stunt off, because I don't think people are that dumb to attempt it. Bottom line: There are plenty of exercises for balance, rehab and motor unit recruitment which are far safer then squatting on a ball with a barbell on your shoulders.
I agree. Very dangerous all around. Still though, you've got to admit, this would gather a crowd in the gym just the same as a dude thats going to attempt to sqaut 5-6 wheels for any amount of reps, or try to bench some ludicrous amount of weight??
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I agree. Very dangerous all around. Still though, you've got to admit, this would gather a crowd in the gym just the same as a dude thats going to attempt to sqaut 5-6 wheels for any amount of reps, or try to bench some ludicrous amount of weight??
Not in a REAL gym
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The point we're trying to make is that just because it doesn't conform to the average gymrat's pseudo bodybuilding routine doesn't mean it doesn't belong in a particular type of gym. Weight training minus the maxing out has a great usefulness in athletics and keep in mind, when someone is training for an athletic sport, there are most likely many people who care about what he's trying to accomplish. The only one who cares about what the average meathead is doing is the meathead himself. And Showstoppa, the "translation" thing is an old Internet posting thing. You sound like you're right out of the projects.
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The point we're trying to make is that just because it doesn't conform to the average gymrat's pseudo bodybuilding routine doesn't mean it doesn't belong in a particular type of gym. Weight training minus the maxing out has a great usefulness in athletics and keep in mind, when someone is training for an athletic sport, there are most likely many people who care about what he's trying to accomplish. The only one who cares about what the average meathead is doing is the meathead himself. And Showstoppa, the "translation" thing is an old Internet posting thing. You sound like you're right out of the projects.
Translation: nobody cares wahat you think, hahaahaghaghagh
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How is that paragraph a translation for nobody caring what I think Scrub?
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How is that paragraph a translation for nobody caring what I think Scrub?
hahaha, you should change your name to Top Musclebear. hahahaha
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Why's that?
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As for buddy that got banned at Planet Shitness, I saw it on the news yesterday and he has a fleet of lawyers and is suing that fat ass gym manager. He went mainstream public with this and I hope that fat ass gym manager gets what she deserves.
PB
Amazing how that story made the national nightly news and also an editorial in the paper. That dudes making his 15 minutes of fame last. Read all about it in Flex, in about 3 months.
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One day someone's gonna fall on his/her ass, and a dumbell is going to crush the individuals face and kill him/her in the process.
Then it will stop. For a while. And a few years later, it will resurface.
Its called natural selection.
I agree "Gods way of weeding out the stupid"!
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I see some guy doing these on the smith machine..i think they are pointless.. ???
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I think if God was going to weed out the stupid, he'd probably start with the average bodybuilder. In all seriousness, there are always exceptions, but if there was a way to measure intellect per sport(not that bodybuilding is a sport but for the sake of illustration) bodybuilders would be way down there. And by the way, except for the pro's, I'm as much of a bodybuilder as the rest of you.
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I think if God was going to weed out the stupid, he'd probably start with the average bodybuilder. In all seriousness, there are always exceptions, but if there was a way to measure intellect per sport(not that bodybuilding is a sport but for the sake of illustration) bodybuilders would be way down there. And by the way, except for the pro's, I'm as much of a bodybuilder as the rest of you.
Why are you so full of hatred toward bodybuilders? This is a bodybuilding board. If you don't like it, leave. We don't care for some twig in a gym squatting on a ball. Women use these balls for Christ sake. Do not compare yourself as a bodybuilder like us because by your past posts and tone you are not a bodybuilder by far. Don't confuse fitness for bodybuilding. Bodybuilders do not squat on balls, buddy. Have you ever stepped on a stage? Have you ever dieted down for a show? Posing routing? Thank you. Do us a favor and just leave. You're in way over your head here.
PB
PB
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It doesnt halp Athletic Performance one bit.
Swiss Ball Use and Abuse: Q&A with Charles Poliquin
Q: You've written some articles in the past about the use of Swiss balls. Today it seems like stability balls and their ilk are being abused and overused. Have your feelings changed about Swiss balls?
A: The problem with Swiss balls is that people started doing things with them that their bodies weren't designed to do! For example, squatting on the Swiss ball is completely moronic. It's a party trick.
One of the problems is that you have to squat bowlegged. There's actually one guy in the industry who was showing off by doing it at a seminar. He jumped off and blew his ACL! What happens is that you put the ligament in a bad stretch from squatting bowlegged.
Now, if you use the Swiss ball to modify the strength curve like I've done with some arm training movements, I think that's fine.
With Poliquin's lean-away eccentric curls, you sit with your back and triceps resting against the side of a Swiss ball. Perform the concentric (lifting) range of a seated dumbbell curl. Once you curl the dumbbells to the top, raise your hips so that your thighs are parallel to the floor. Your upper body should then be literally on top of the ball. Lower the dumbbells down and away from you. Lower the hips and repeat until you hit your target number of reps.
Also, Swiss balls are good for certain core exercises. The problem is when people say that Swiss balls cure cancer and get the IRS off your back. There are people out there making outrageous claims.
Recent research has shown that Swiss ball training for your core works only for six weeks (which is what I've been saying since '94). You'll get more abdominal activation from the squat and deadlift than any Swiss ball exercise, no matter how difficult. So if you're an untrained person, you can do the Swiss ball, but after six weeks you'll top out on the gains you'll get.
About 70% of Swiss ball exercises are worthless. It's just one of those things where people are taking an idea too far. There's some value to it, but it's not a cure-all.
Most personal trainers and strength coaches just don't know how to get people strong. I remember talking to this one trainer who uses all these stability gizmos. I asked him why he used all that shit and he said, "I'm not good, so I have to do these weird things so people will come to see me."
I remember seeing him make this post-menopausal woman do one-hand split jerks with a fat dumbbell. Now, Adam Nelson is one of the best shot-putters in the world and I don't make him do that! The risks are way too high.
The problem with using Duradisks and similar devices is that you have to use loads that are so insignificant that none of the prime movers really get activated. So if a woman can overhead press a 25-pound dumbbell, she'll only be able to use an eight pounder while performing this circus act on a stability device. She just won't be overloading her muscles.
I call it "entertainment training," not strength training. And any time I see that horseshit, I want to kick the personal trainer in the head with a pair of steal-toe construction boots.
And the BOSU ball? The BOSU ball is a Swiss ball for morons! Again, when you stand on it you're always bowlegged. Why do you want to get into a position that's not good for your knees and ankles? What about doing it on one foot? So what, then you have to reduce the load!
One of the dumbest things I see is the lying dumbbell press on a Swiss Ball using only one arm. The most a 180 pound guy will be able to use is about 45 pounds. Why? Because if you use more, you're going to flip over. Now, the same guy can use much more than 45 pounds to do regular flat dumbbell presses. So what's the point?
"Oh, it activates the core." Yeah, and to what degree? All you're doing is firing some stabilizers just to control yourself so you don't flip over, but you're not overloading the pressing muscles. So again, this is just entertainment training. It's circus training and it doesn't do anything!
Now, these devices do work well... in marketing terms. It's like
First thing I want to say is that I respect Poliquin alot, second thing is I have NEVER recommended that anyone stands on a swiss ball and have always said that pic of that idiot squating on a swiss ball...the trainer should be shot and so should the trainee for letting him. Another thing I have ALWAYS said there are wrong ways of training but a million right ways, meaning no one routien is perfect what works for one might not be the right one for the other. I agree with Poliquin on most things but not all, he says that you can stimulate core more with squats and for the most part I agree, exept with BEGINNERS who don't know how to squat and can easily injure themselves!
I do use swiss balls for my general public (mostly women) for light presses and abdominal work, but for my athletes, I rarely use them exept for balance and core CONTROL not strength. Stability balls have there place in fitness and athletics but obviously not for everything!!
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Impossible to be over your head around here.
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It doesnt halp Athletic Performance one bit.
Swiss Ball Use and Abuse: Q&A with Charles Poliquin
Q: You've written some articles in the past about the use of Swiss balls. Today it seems like stability balls and their ilk are being abused and overused. Have your feelings changed about Swiss balls?
A: The problem with Swiss balls is that people started doing things with them that their bodies weren't designed to do! For example, squatting on the Swiss ball is completely moronic. It's a party trick.
One of the problems is that you have to squat bowlegged. There's actually one guy in the industry who was showing off by doing it at a seminar. He jumped off and blew his ACL! What happens is that you put the ligament in a bad stretch from squatting bowlegged.
Now, if you use the Swiss ball to modify the strength curve like I've done with some arm training movements, I think that's fine.
With Poliquin's lean-away eccentric curls, you sit with your back and triceps resting against the side of a Swiss ball. Perform the concentric (lifting) range of a seated dumbbell curl. Once you curl the dumbbells to the top, raise your hips so that your thighs are parallel to the floor. Your upper body should then be literally on top of the ball. Lower the dumbbells down and away from you. Lower the hips and repeat until you hit your target number of reps.
Also, Swiss balls are good for certain core exercises. The problem is when people say that Swiss balls cure cancer and get the IRS off your back. There are people out there making outrageous claims.
Recent research has shown that Swiss ball training for your core works only for six weeks (which is what I've been saying since '94). You'll get more abdominal activation from the squat and deadlift than any Swiss ball exercise, no matter how difficult. So if you're an untrained person, you can do the Swiss ball, but after six weeks you'll top out on the gains you'll get.
About 70% of Swiss ball exercises are worthless. It's just one of those things where people are taking an idea too far. There's some value to it, but it's not a cure-all.
Most personal trainers and strength coaches just don't know how to get people strong. I remember talking to this one trainer who uses all these stability gizmos. I asked him why he used all that shit and he said, "I'm not good, so I have to do these weird things so people will come to see me."
I remember seeing him make this post-menopausal woman do one-hand split jerks with a fat dumbbell. Now, Adam Nelson is one of the best shot-putters in the world and I don't make him do that! The risks are way too high.
The problem with using Duradisks and similar devices is that you have to use loads that are so insignificant that none of the prime movers really get activated. So if a woman can overhead press a 25-pound dumbbell, she'll only be able to use an eight pounder while performing this circus act on a stability device. She just won't be overloading her muscles.
I call it "entertainment training," not strength training. And any time I see that horseshit, I want to kick the personal trainer in the head with a pair of steal-toe construction boots.
And the BOSU ball? The BOSU ball is a Swiss ball for morons! Again, when you stand on it you're always bowlegged. Why do you want to get into a position that's not good for your knees and ankles? What about doing it on one foot? So what, then you have to reduce the load!
One of the dumbest things I see is the lying dumbbell press on a Swiss Ball using only one arm. The most a 180 pound guy will be able to use is about 45 pounds. Why? Because if you use more, you're going to flip over. Now, the same guy can use much more than 45 pounds to do regular flat dumbbell presses. So what's the point?
"Oh, it activates the core." Yeah, and to what degree? All you're doing is firing some stabilizers just to control yourself so you don't flip over, but you're not overloading the pressing muscles. So again, this is just entertainment training. It's circus training and it doesn't do anything!
Now, these devices do work well... in marketing terms. It's like
http://www.michaelboyle.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=607&highlight=stability+ball
everything in moderation...
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Oh brother, sometimes I wonder why people even belong to a gym? If you're going to lift, for whatever reason, going extremely light ain't going to do shit. Doing some Cobra Commando move isn't going to do more than your basic lifts. Simply look at the people doing them, and you'll see what results you get.
My favorite person at the gym is the guy who says,
I want to work my core.
Translation: I don't want to lift anything too heavy cause I'm scared my "monster genes" will allow me to gain too much muscle.
I'm not trying to get real big.
Translation: My genetics and work ethic would never allow me to gain more than 7lbs of lean mass.
I'm working on the "mind muscle" connection.
Translation: I increased the amount of gh and gear I ingest, while decreasing the intensity of my workouts.
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Oh brother, sometimes I wonder why people even belong to a gym? If you're going to lift, for whatever reason, going extremely light ain't going to do shit. Doing some Cobra Commando move isn't going to do more than your basic lifts. Simply look at the people doing them, and you'll see what results you get.
My favorite person at the gym is the guy who says,
I want to work my core.
Translation: I don't want to lift anything too heavy cause I'm scared my "monster genes" will allow me to gain too much muscle.
I'm not trying to get real big.
Translation: My genetics and work ethic would never allow me to gain more than 7lbs of lean mass.
I'm working on the "mind muscle" connection.
Translation: I increased the amount of gh and gear I ingest, while decreasing the intensity of my workouts.
Well put.
PB
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http://www.michaelboyle.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=607&highlight=stability+ball
everything in moderation...
I have been following Mike Boyles philosophy for years and alot of my training is based on his therories and methods and then I just modify it into my own training, it's not bodybuilding training it's all based on athletic protocal.......he's a brilliant trainer and if you ever get the opportunity to see him speak, do it, his knowledge of proper training is amazing!!
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Oh brother, sometimes I wonder why people even belong to a gym? If you're going to lift, for whatever reason, going extremely light ain't going to do shit.
This is where I have a problem, I see quotes like this I have to think to myself that 80% of the posters on here really don't know how to train? Do you think everyone has to train heavy to get results? Maybe the people that are training "extremely" light are beginners, or maybe elderly who just want to do something to keep moving or maybe even a person doing some rehab. Saying why you "wonder why even people even belong to a gym".
Let me ask you, are you going to just throw a beginner in a squat rack on their first day? Do you think that athletes don't belong in a gym if they don't train heavy? Because if thats what you think your dead wrong!
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I think the tards here are those who havnt yet grasped the concept of doing an exercise like this. He's obviously not doing it for MASSIVE QUADS... jeez.
Little something called balance, rehab, working around existing injuries, motor unit recruitment, etc.
Seriously. This pic has been posted like 99million times and I'm still willing to bet that maybe two people on this entire board could pull this off. A feat nonetheless if only a few can do it right?
I do balance board squats, and it isn't as effective for size, but I am not interested in size anymore. Athletic training is progressing. You must be able to exert force in more than just one plane. It has it's merits.
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This is where I have a problem, I see quotes like this I have to think to myself that 80% of the posters on here really don't know how to train? Do you think everyone has to train heavy to get results? Maybe the people that are training "extremely" light are beginners, or maybe elderly who just want to do something to keep moving or maybe even a person doing some rehab. Saying why you "wonder why even people even belong to a gym".
Let me ask you, are you going to just throw a beginner in a squat rack on their first day? Do you think that athletes don't belong in a gym if they don't train heavy? Because if thats what you think your dead wrong!
No, the people who train extremly light are just fags. Hope this helps.
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No, the people who train extremly light are just fags. Hope this helps.
Thanks for re-enforcing what I said....I now rest my case!
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I think if God was going to weed out the stupid, he'd probably start with the average bodybuilder. In all seriousness, there are always exceptions, but if there was a way to measure intellect per sport(not that bodybuilding is a sport but for the sake of illustration) bodybuilders would be way down there. And by the way, except for the pro's, I'm as much of a bodybuilder as the rest of you.
Good for you Top Dog, I'm looking forward to seeing your pics! I encourage everyone to set goals and do their best!
Good Luck maybe you will be a pro someday!
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I do balance board squats, and it isn't as effective for size, but I am not interested in size anymore. Athletic training is progressing. You must be able to exert force in more than just one plane. It has it's merits.
Let me ask you my friend : When you perform balance Board squats, what plane are you exerting force in?
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Let me ask you my friend : When you perform balance Board squats, what plane are you exerting force in?
Sagittal....what did I win!
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I have been following Mike Boyles philosophy for years and alot of my training is based on his therories and methods and then I just modify it into my own training, it's not bodybuilding training it's all based on athletic protocal.......he's a brilliant trainer and if you ever get the opportunity to see him speak, do it, his knowledge of proper training is amazing!!
I've seen a few great speakers (Gary Gray, JC Santana...) but not Mike Boyle. I missed IHRSA last year and they always have great speakers, I'll get around to it. Right now I just hang out on his board and try to take in as much as I can.
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I've seen a few great speakers (Gary Gray, JC Santana...) but not Mike Boyle. I missed IHRSA last year and they always have great speakers, I'll get around to it. Right now I just hang out on his board and try to take in as much as I can.
You'll probably learn more here...
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Sagittal....what did I win!
Respect! Good job..... See my next question below ; )
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You'll probably learn more here...
Actually, this one time I was training someone and they accidentally dropped a 75lb dumbell on their groin and I instinctively yelled "Pwn3d!!!" It's starting to finally sink in.
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I've seen a few great speakers (Gary Gray, JC Santana...) but not Mike Boyle. I missed IHRSA last year and they always have great speakers, I'll get around to it. Right now I just hang out on his board and try to take in as much as I can.
I had the opportunity to follow Boyle around for a couple of weeks when he was at Athletes Performance at the Home Depot Center in Carson, Ca, I go to his board frequently and also Sports Specific and Performbetter and a bunch of others. Look for the Perform better seminars where they all speak, Juan Carlos Santana, Gary Gray, Eric Cressy, Mark Vergesten, etc, I'll be going to a couple this year!
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You'll probably learn more here...
k ::)!
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I think the tards here are those who havnt yet grasped the concept of doing an exercise like this. He's obviously not doing it for MASSIVE QUADS... jeez.
Little something called balance, rehab, working around existing injuries, motor unit recruitment, etc.
Seriously. This pic has been posted like 99million times and I'm still willing to bet that maybe two people on this entire board could pull this off. A feat nonetheless if only a few can do it right?
Doing squats on a balance ball under a load is NOT used for rehab, Definately not working around existing injuries and NO exercise performed on a Stability ball will influence morot unit recruitment more efficiently then free weights.
Let me ask you my friend: Since you brought up motor unit recruitment, How does performing squats on a stability ball have any different affect on motor unit recruitment that squats performed on a stable surface?
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Actually, this one time I was training someone and they accidentally dropped a 75lb dumbell on their groin and I instinctively yelled "Pwn3d!!!" It's starting to finally sink in.
I know. This place can institutionalize you if you let it. Last 4th of July my sister fell off my parents back porch...I thought to myself...'OWNED!'
When I saw Kramer on TV 'speaking the truth'...i thought...'EPIC MELTDOWN!'.
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Let me ask you my friend: Since you brought up motor unit recruitment, How does performing squats on a stability ball have any different affect on motor unit recruitment that squats performed on a stable surface?
I personally don't see were it can, it's a recipe for disaster and if it's a professional athlete that is doing it and he gets injured, you can kiss that trainers career goodbye!
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Have you ever tried it? It isn't easy and should be apart of an athletes regular core training, balance is a HUGE part of athletic training and what that dude is doing is a regular part of sports teams strength programs, if this guy wasn't hanging on to the rack an was just balancing of that stability ball that's an awesome feat, I know many hockey players who do the same thing.
BTW, the dude doing squats on the ball is just plain retarded!
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I totally agree with this post. Squatting on a swiss ball is insane. The ratio of effectiveness vs injury is paramount.
The BOSU half a ball, other side flat is wonderful for balance and core strength, if you have never stepped on a bosu, try it for one minute with both feet to see how balanced your body is. Turn it over and do squats with no weight, it is quite intense.
Sandra
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Then if thats the case he should join a fitness gym and not a bodybuilders gym. They have fitness centers for people who want to train like that. You don't join a bodybuilding gym to do pushups and situps. Or in his case ball squats. Frankly, what he is doing on that ball is dangerous and could hurt someone. It has Zero value in a bodybuilding gym with modern day equipment. I wish you pipsqueaks would understand that.
PB
Actually, it is up to the owners of the gym who decide what a member can or can not do. If the gym has the equipment in it, The members can and probably are encouraged to use it.
When I train clients at the Apollon, it is hard core, basic equipment, no tubes, swiss balls, bosu, etc. I bring my own and if a member uses my equipment, it is written on MY equipment they use it at their own risk. It isn't a part of the gym and is kept outside of the gym floor. You have to bring it thru the turnstile with you.
Not many people that train their use it. I guess they don't want to seem "different" then the hardcore lifters.
Sandra
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I personally don't see were it can, it's a recipe for disaster and if it's a professional athlete that is doing it and he gets injured, you can kiss that trainers career goodbye!
Exactly the point I was getting across. I cant see how anyone would defend a squat let alone a LOADED squat on a stability ball.
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Have you ever tried it? It isn't easy and should be apart of an athletes regular core training, balance is a HUGE part of athletic training and what that dude is doing is a regular part of sports teams strength programs, if this guy wasn't hanging on to the rack an was just balancing of that stability ball that's an awesome feat, I know many hockey players who do the same thing.
BTW, the dude doing squats on the ball is just plain retarded!
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I totally agree with this post. Squatting on a swiss ball is insane. The ratio of effectiveness vs injury is paramount.
The BOSU half a ball, other side flat is wonderful for balance and core strength, if you have never stepped on a bosu, try it for one minute with both feet to see how balanced your body is. Turn it over and do squats with no weight, it is quite intense.
Sandra
I don't advocate squatting on Bosu either, IMO, it causes too much pronating on the foot and ankles, stress on the ACL which causes the hip to become out of alignment and that causes undue stress on the lower lumbar, I do however think (after a certain time of basic strength training) it's ok to use a balance board, it's still an unstable surface, but you are limited to side to side, using little if no weight of course!
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Im not sure which post is muscle4life and which is Intense on the above post but Bosu balls are awfull:
1) Why would you put an unstable surface on a stable surface?( half a stability ball)
2) Standing on a Bosu ball forces the legs to be bow-legged, stress on knees and ankles>>> WHy would you want the body to perform an action it wasnt intended to do?
3) It actually causes SUPINATION not pronation of the ankle.
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Im not sure which post is muscle4life and which is Intense on the above post but Bosu balls are awfull:
1) Why would you put an unstable surface on a stable surface?( half a stability ball)
2) Standing on a Bosu ball forces the legs to be bow-legged, stress on knees and ankles>>> WHy would you want the body to perform an action it wasnt intended to do?
3) It actually causes SUPINATION not pronation of the ankle.
Again, it is all about balance for the individual. On the Bosu, some are pronators, others supinate on the foot. Balance one foot on the floor to begin. Progress to an unstable surface to make the leg work to align itself correctly. The ankle is connected to the knee, connected to the hip, connected to the back, etc
Sandra
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Again, it is all about balance for the individual. On the Bosu, some are pronators, others supinate on the foot. Balance one foot on the floor to begin. Progress to an unstable surface to make the leg work to align itself correctly. The ankle is connected to the knee, connected to the hip, connected to the back, etc
Sandra
How can someone's ankle Pronate if they are standing bow-legged?
Why do you want to " make the leg work to align itself correctly" ? What exactly is being aligned?
The ankle is CONNECTED to the tibia, Not the knee.
THe Knee is connected to the Femur NOT the hip.
The hip is connected to the Pelvis, NOT the back.
Seriously, I hope you are NOT a trainer because honestly nothing you have said is correct or makes any sense!
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Im not sure which post is muscle4life and which is Intense on the above post but Bosu balls are awfull:
3) It actually causes SUPINATION not pronation of the ankle.
Damn, I can't believe I did that...I stand corrected!
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Damn, I can't believe I did that...I stand corrected!
Its easy to get things like that confused sometimes. I do the same. You obviously know your field though. ;)
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How can someone's ankle Pronate if they are standing bow-legged?
Why do you want to " make the leg work to align itself correctly" ? What exactly is being aligned?
The ankle is CONNECTED to the tibia, Not the knee.
THe Knee is connected to the Femur NOT the hip.
The hip is connected to the Pelvis, NOT the back.
Seriously, I hope you are NOT a trainer because honestly nothing you have said is correct or makes any sense!
I was speaking in simple terms, when clients learn about how the bones are connected to each other and why a specific exercise is being done, KISS...Keep It Simple Stupid.
Alignment. I am naturally knock kneed, When I squat, my kness automatically tend to turn inwards. I have to align my feet, ankles, knees to make sure they don't, this is just to get to a 90 degree angle and to not flex forward in the hips.
The ankle, knee, hip are socket joints(axis) that flex and extend the tibia, femur and back.
Sandra
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Im not sure which post is muscle4life and which is Intense on the above post but Bosu balls are awfull:
1) Why would you put an unstable surface on a stable surface?( half a stability ball)
2) Standing on a Bosu ball forces the legs to be bow-legged, stress on knees and ankles>>> WHy would you want the body to perform an action it wasnt intended to do?
3) It actually causes SUPINATION not pronation of the ankle.
I agree doing lifting on unstable surface is insane, there are many other ways of trainning balance that doesn't put anyone at risk of injury! I often hear core strenght LOL, try deadlifting that is awesome for core trainning.
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I was speaking in simple terms, when clients learn about how the bones are connected to each other and why a specific exercise is being done, KISS...Keep It Simple Stupid.
Alignment. I am naturally knock kneed, When I squat, my kness automatically tend to turn inwards. I have to align my feet, ankles, knees to make sure they don't, this is just to get to a 90 degree angle and to not flex forward in the hips.
The ankle, knee, hip are socket joints(axis) that flex and extend the tibia, femur and back.
Sandra
If your knees "pinch" when you squat, do you know what this is a result of?
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If your knees "pinch" when you squat, do you know what this is a result of?
Muscleforlife, if a trainer knows how to train a client, that person should know the answer to this question and how to remedy it, if a trainer continues to improperly lets his/her clients do this, the client will eventually end up with injuries!
This, BTW, is a great question for people just starting out in the industry!
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I agree doing lifting on unstable surface is insane, there are many other ways of trainning balance that doesn't put anyone at risk of injury! I often hear core strenght LOL, try deadlifting that is awesome for core trainning.
IMO, the only time a person should train on an unstable surface is after that person has mastered the basics, then slowly introduce functional stablizer exercises. By an unstable surface, I mean balance boards, airex pads and pillows, I do however have some of my advanced athletes and clients do bulgarian split squats on the balance board!
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I don't know, you can't really argue with that guy's quad development. ::)
Those guys probably got laughed out of the gym. Shit what if his feet slipped off? The fucker would be on the floor screaming and crying.
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Don't get it twisted. I don't advocate weighted squats on a stability ball.
I do advocate training outside of the "bodybuilder" box because your average person doens't want to be a bb, they usually want to lose weight, be healty, function easily in their daily lives, not get on meds to live life.
Me personally, knock knees could be a numuber of reasons. Genetics, I am not the only woman in my family with this condition. Weak quads? After squatting, pressing, extending, lunging, curling, DLing, etc, etc, etc..yea, ok
Weak Ad/abductors? Inner/outer thigh machines, plie' squats, round house kicks, curtesys on or off the BOSU..
My knees still knock. That is who I am and what I work with.
There is no cookie cutter workout program for people.
Some people need to align, balance and have flexibility in their day to day lives to function.
I train those people and I am "certified".
Others train people to "Get Big".
Big Muscles Do Not Equate Health or Fitness.
Sandra
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Don't get it twisted. I don't advocate weighted squats on a stability ball.
I do advocate training outside of the "bodybuilder" box because your average person doens't want to be a bb, they usually want to lose weight, be healty, function easily in their daily lives, not get on meds to live life.
Me personally, knock knees could be a numuber of reasons. Genetics, I am not the only woman in my family with this condition. Weak quads? After squatting, pressing, extending, lunging, curling, DLing, etc, etc, etc..yea, ok
Weak Ad/abductors? Inner/outer thigh machines, plie' squats, round house kicks, curtesys on or off the BOSU..
My knees still knock. That is who I am and what I work with.
There is no cookie cutter workout program for people.
Some people need to align, balance and have flexibility in their day to day lives to function.
I train those people and I am "certified".
Others train people to "Get Big".
Big Muscles Do Not Equate Health or Fitness.
Sandra
I understand that you do not advocate squatting on a stability ball, no decent trainer would but knowing the reasons why people do what they do ex; squatting "knocked kneed" part of being a good trainer and the difference between being a great trainer is again, knowing what could be causing the wrong mechanics in a certain exercise. Suqatting knocked kneed is not a matter of genetics or is it a condition. One of the main reasons why people squat this way is more often than not WEAK GLUTES and also tight adductors and some studies have suggested a weak psoas which also may be the cause of some low back pain!!
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damn...I honestly ALWAYS thought that pic was just a funny photoshop... ???]
you mean it's real?
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It's an exercise to help athletic performance. Ever hear of balance. It would have no use to you meatheads with the zits on your shoulders but it would help an ATHLETE who plays an ATHLETIC sport.
Sounds like we have a 125lb fitness guy on our hands..........
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Ive never seen anybody doing any shit like that in my gym. and that picture of that guy doing that squat on the excercise ball thats insane! is that picture for real? what the hell kind of personal trainer teaches those excercises? id ask for a refund! thats dangerous! the trainer in the backround of that pic looks like justin timberlake-lol.
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damn...I honestly ALWAYS thought that pic was just a funny photoshop... ???]
you mean it's real?
Yep. Real. :-\
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I understand that you do not advocate squatting on a stability ball, no decent trainer would but knowing the reasons why people do what they do ex; squatting "knocked kneed" part of being a good trainer and the difference between being a great trainer is again, knowing what could be causing the wrong mechanics in a certain exercise. Suqatting knocked kneed is not a matter of genetics or is it a condition. One of the main reasons why people squat this way is more often than not WEAK GLUTES and also tight adductors and some studies have suggested a weak psoas which also may be the cause of some low back pain!!
weak glutes...
Now that is not something I would've thought of.
For me personally, I don't squat heavy anymore. I only squat when I teach it in a formatted group power class.
I do sissy squats instead of a traditional barbell squat.
In my family, as children we have knock knees or pigeon toes.
One cousin when she was a toddler had to wear those horrid orthopedic shes with the steel brace between them.
That is why I bought up genetics.
Sandra
Sandra
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weak glutes...
Now that is not something I would've thought of.
For me personally, I don't squat heavy anymore. I only squat when I teach it in a formatted group power class.
I do sissy squats instead of a traditional barbell squat.
In my family, as children we have knock knees or pigeon toes.
One cousin when she was a toddler had to wear those horrid orthopedic shes with the steel brace between them.
That is why I bought up genetics.
Sandra
Sandra
Depending on how you are doing sissy squats it would stand to reason on why their knees are not buckling....because from the ground they are puching with they're glutes, then when they get to lets say the paralell point of the exercise, then the knees would start to buckle from that point thats usually when the glutes start fireing incorrectly!