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Which one is better? Which one do you prefer?
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ronnie.
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Dorian.
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Which one is better? Which one do you prefer?
JAY CUTLERS TRAINING STYLE IS THE BEST..I DON'T WANNA LOOK LIKE THIS PIECE OF SHIT
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Tough question!
When it comes to proper form and use of intensity techniques, Dorian owns.
Ronnie just trains like a pure freak of nature. But he's more of a weight thrower than a weight lifter.
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dorian rules when it comes to injuries.
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Ronnie does look like shit.
He has no aesthetic appeal whatsoever.
They should create a seperate league for him and Kovaks to compete in.
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Ronnie does look like shit.
He has no aesthetic appeal whatsoever.
They should create a seperate league for him and Kovaks to compete in.
muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahah..finally someones agrees with me..hahahahah
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Cutler has a great shoulder to waste ratio. His taper is fine. I would say he is definitely proportionate. Ronnie is not.
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Good luck trying to get that H-shape your beloved Cutler has.
shut up baghdad behzad
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Ronnie looks like a mutant toad in these picks.
He should have slowed down with the GH.
I'm sure he doesn't have a say in it though. His handlers work that out for him.
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Cutler has a great shoulder to waste ratio. His taper is fine. I would say he is definitely proportionate. Ronnie is not.
jay might not have the smallest waist but small enough..his shoulders make his waist line look small.jay rulz..like we all say its all about the illusion..same was the case with yates
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Ronnie looks like a mutant toad in these picks.
He should have slowed down with the GH.
I'm sure he doesn't have a say in it though. His handlers work that out for him.
jay is 10 times better than this toad
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great another cutler vs dorian vs ronnie vs dorian vs cutler vs ronnie-thread
take it away pumpster, ill check back in this thread 2008 and see how you're doing
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ripped to shreds :o
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jay might not have the smallest waist but small enough..his shoulders make his waist line look small.jay rulz..like we all say its all about the illusion..same was the case with yates
Yep.
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Which one is better? Which one do you prefer?
if you want to build muscle for most of your career, pick Ronnie.
If you want to tear major muscles early on, pick Dorian.
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Neither, both are well past me. Dorian trained balls to the walls everyday and pulled more muscles than I thought the human body had. ROnnie is probaly the luckiest guy in the world for not injuring himself for his 8 wins. In all honesty if I trained like Ronnie I would expect someone to come up to me and say excuse me you're being a moron stop throwing that weight around. Jays workouts are way to long. My approch though is like his lighter weights with good form then heavy when I feel really good. Ronnie had the best X frame though and this year coming up hes going to win again. I mean c'mon his only flaw is his abs. People say his calves but in reality there huge what did that flex article say saying ronnies calves are small are like Louisana is small well when you put it right next to Texas of course it is. His quads are just that big that his calves well always look small in comparison.
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dorian rules when it comes to injuries.
Your dad rules when it comes to bumming.
ta ta asshole
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I agree that Big Ron is lucky to have very few tears or problems up until recently. Dorian's strictness impresses me. I see manyguys train like Ronnie and look like shit.
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ripped to shreds :o
Why do you act like such a homo?
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Why do you act like such a homo?
if the shoe fits, wear it?
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agreed that on most excersises ronnies form is far from perfect... but he squat and deadlift form is flawless... also ronnie is lightyears ahead of dorian in terms of pure strength...
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agreed that on most excersises ronnies form is far from perfect... but he squat and deadlift form is flawless... also ronnie is lightyears ahead of dorian in terms of pure strength...
I think he bounces on squats but he keeps tension on the muscles. I think if he lifted as strict as Dorian he would be even in strength for the most part.
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if the shoe fits, wear it?
Being a fan is one thing but repeatedly referring to your bodybuilding idol (jaw gutler in this case) as KING with CAPITALISED letters(althought I THINK he just randomly PRESSES the caps lock button EVERY now and THEN)... is a bit more than fan-like.
Or he could jsut be normal and argue for his bodybuilding ideal for 600+ pages 8)
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LOL
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Being a fan is one thing but repeatedly referring to your bodybuilding idol (jaw gutler in this case) as KING with CAPITALISED letters(althought I THINK he just randomly PRESSES the caps lock button EVERY now and THEN)... is a bit more than fan-like.
jaw fucking gutlers.... lmfao.... someone needs to make tshirts
Or he could jsut be normal and argue for his bodybuilding ideal for 600+ pages 8)
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agreed that on most excersises ronnies form is far from perfect... but he squat and deadlift form is flawless... also ronnie is lightyears ahead of dorian in terms of pure strength...
He does use good form for those exercises. he does bounce on the deadlift though, but whatever works. Stronger than Dorian no way man. Dorian did 405 incline right down to the chest for 6 perfect reps. He uses perfect form on every exercise and there is a huge difference between that and just getting the weight from point a to b. Ronnie is very strong but lightyears ahead of Dorian?
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Ronnie is very strong but lightyears ahead of Dorian?
yes.
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Ronnie is very strong but lightyears ahead of Dorian?
You're wrong. Unless Yates' squat and bench max. (and others like curls) magically went up, Yates had good strength vs. superhuman strength and development.
Sorry to burst the fantasy but you still have this:
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JAY CUTLERS TRAINING STYLE IS THE BEST..I DON'T WANNA LOOK LIKE THIS PIECE OF SHIT
once again you show your ignorance... training style does not effect extended abdomen...but drug regimen does and your boy Jay is on just as much shit as anyone in the game and his physique shows just that....
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"Slight" difference in weight used-like almost twice as much. ;D
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You're wrong. Unless Yates' squat and bench max. (and others like curls) magically went up, Yates had good strength vs. superhuman strength and development.
Sorry to burst the fantasy but you still have this:
Same contest loser ;)
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Same contest loser ;)
Desperate fucking idiot resorts to contest pics when it's obvious the thread is about training & Coleman's dominance. hahaahahahahahahahah
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"Slight" difference in weight used-like almost twice as much. ;D
And this isn't powerlifting its called bodybuilding , you wouldn't know that because you use a Bow Flex ;) the weight is means to and end , you have much to learn Mr " I can bench 410 pounds power rods for 15 full consecutive reps !!
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Desperate fucking idiot resorts to contest pics when it's obvious the thread is about training & Coleman's dominance. hahaahahahahahahahah
I love how you out youself umm genius it was YOU who posted the standing relaxed shot of Yates from the 1994 Mr Olympia ;)
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And this isn't powerlifting its called bodybuilding , you wouldn't know that because you use a Bow Flex ;) the weight is means to and end , you have much to learn Mr " I can bench 410 pounds power rods for 15 full consecutive reps !!
ND turned down my challenge to do 410 lb. bench on a Bowflex, the little PUZZY. hahahahaha
Show us some pics having to do with this thread and Yates huge poundages! ;D
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Then show us some pics of Yates power. hahahaahahahahahahah
Again its NOT about power , this isn't powerlifting its bodybuilding.
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Again its NOT about power , this isn't powerlifting its bodybuilding.
That wasn't the gist of the posts discussing strength, you idiot. Pay attention, ovecome your ADD.
Ronnie is very strong but lightyears ahead of Dorian?
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You're wrong. Unless Yates' squat and bench max. (and others like curls) magically went up, Yates had good strength vs. superhuman strength and development.
Sorry to burst the fantasy but you still have this:
What a crock of shit. The only reason why Ronnie used geater weights is because he maxed out with singles and doubles, something that Dorian never did. Now Ronnie was stronge in the deadlift and squat, but that was about it. Peter McGough has stated repeatedly that the reason for why Dorian used the weights he did is because he was obsessed with super-strict reps and a full range of motion. If Dorian wanted, he could have used much greater weights.
Besides, even with his super-strict training style and full ange of motion, Dorian still used some pretty fucking heavy weights! How about bent over barbell rows with five plates as side for 6 reps without cheating? Or one arm dumbbell rows with 200 lbs dumbbells fo reps? Or stiff-legged deadlift with six plates a side, again for reps? Look at Dorian executing incline barbell bench press, and he used 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. Observe that, at each rep, the bar would touch hois chest and he would get a full stretch every single time. Now compare this to Ronnie doingt the incline press, where he cheats after doing 3 reps or so. Completely different appoaches to stressing the muscles. Ronnie is stonger in the core execises, granted, but the diffeence overrall is not that great, with Dorian actually being stronger at some exercises.
The sdame large frames that allows one to be so strong make one a terrible bodybuilder. Look at Shawn, whi is dwarfed by Kovacs in size and strengh, and yet is a much bette bodybuilder, with longer muscle bellies, smaller joints, etc. None of the really, really stong guys could be a successful pro because of their large frames. Kovacs never made it is a pro, and Shawn finished in the top five at the Mr.Olympia a dozen times. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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maybe if dorian used improper form he would not have torn his muscles so much 8)
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maybe if dorian used improper form he would not have torn his muscles so much 8)
Or maybe he would never had won any Sandows. 8) ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That wasn't the gist of the posts discussing strength, you idiot. Pay attention, ovecome your ADD.
Ronnie has stronger that Dorian , Dorian was stricter with his movements , Dorian was no slouch in the strenght department.
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maybe if dorian used improper form he would not have torn his muscles so much 8)
Maybe if Ronnie was stricter in his he wouldn't have torn his muscles so much
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proper form
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Maybe if Ronnie was stricter in his he wouldn't have torn his muscles so much
LOL dorian torn his biceps only 3 years into his pro career.
It took Ronnie 15 years to tear something major...
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proper form
lol I like how u use the leg press(a machine exercise) as an example of dorians' "proper form". ;D
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LOL dorian torn his biceps only 3 years into his pro career.
It took Ronnie 15 years to tear something major...
it doesn't matter , all that matters is he did , he's in the same boat , Kevin tore his chest one year in his pro career that means nothing , is that some consolation?
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lol I like how u use the leg press(a machine exercise) as an example of dorians' "proper form". ;D
Well a lot of people don't bring it down far enough , most do 1/2 reps with big weight and pat them selves on the back , same with squats.
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What a crock of shit. The only reason why Ronnie used geater weights is because he maxed out with singles and doubles, something that Dorian never did. Now Ronnie was stronge in the deadlift and squat, but that was about it. Peter McGough has stated repeatedly that the reason for why Dorian used the weights he did is because he was obsessed with super-strict reps and a full range of motion. If Dorian wanted, he could have used much greater weights.
Besides, even with his super-strict training style and full ange of motion, Dorian still used some pretty fucking heavy weights! How about bent over barbell rows with five plates as side for 6 reps without cheating? Or one arm dumbbell rows with 200 lbs dumbbells fo reps? Or stiff-legged deadlift with six plates a side, again for reps? Look at Dorian executing incline barbell bench press, and he used 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. Observe that, at each rep, the bar would touch hois chest and he would get a full stretch every single time. Now compare this to Ronnie doingt the incline press, where he cheats after doing 3 reps or so. Completely different appoaches to stressing the muscles. Ronnie is stonger in the core execises, granted, but the diffeence overrall is not that great, with Dorian actually being stronger at some exercises.
The sdame large frames that allows one to be so strong make one a terrible bodybuilder. Look at Shawn, whi is dwarfed by Kovacs in size and strengh, and yet is a much bette bodybuilder, with longer muscle bellies, smaller joints, etc. None of the really, really stong guys could be a successful pro because of their large frames. Kovacs never made it is a pro, and Shawn finished in the top five at the Mr.Olympia a dozen times. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Excellent post.
Argument ends, babbling nonsense continues.
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I think he bounces on squats but he keeps tension on the muscles. I think if he lifted as strict as Dorian he would be even in strength for the most part.
you are funny as hell little man
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it depends on the person.
by dorian and ronnie had tremendous success using both their styles.
dorian got injured, but so has just about every HIT guy (tommi t. marko from finland, etc.).
not many people could handle dorian's style - maximum intensity.
not many people could do coleman's split - 6 days a week.
during both their reigns as mr. olympia, both were recognized as the hardest trainers among their competitors.
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it depends on the person.
by dorian and ronnie had tremendous success using both their styles.
dorian got injured, but so has just about every HIT guy (tommi t. marko from finland, etc.).
not many people could handle dorian's style - maximum intensity.
not many people could do coleman's split - 6 days a week.
during both their reigns as mr. olympia, both were recognized as the hardest trainers among their competitors.
Great post. !!
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you are funny as hell little man
Nice retort. I guess you are massive. ::)
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Maybe if Ronnie was stricter in his he wouldn't have torn his muscles so much
just look at this piece of shit..RONNIES TORN MUSCLES LOOK WORSE THAN DORIANS TORN MUSCLES..PERIOD
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Ronnie is a mutant toad.
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it depends on the person.
by dorian and ronnie had tremendous success using both their styles.
dorian got injured, but so has just about every HIT guy (tommi t. marko from finland, etc.).
not many people could handle dorian's style - maximum intensity.
not many people could do coleman's split - 6 days a week.
during both their reigns as mr. olympia, both were recognized as the hardest trainers among their competitors.
jay cutler uses even better form with moderate weights.at times he goes higher but he has no need to look like a train wreck.high volume rulz.jay cutler does not compramise on the intensity too.he lifts with all his might.yates although had alot of torn muscles but dorians dry condition covered his torn muscles.even with torn muscles his condition never took a back seat.in ronnies case his torn muscles look worse and because of his soft condition it looks 10 times worse than dorians torn muscles or any bodybuilders torn muscles
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Ronnie is a mutant toad.
mmmmmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhahahahahaha..classic comment ;D
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Something 'the shadow' will crank one out to........... ;D
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Something 'the shadow' will crank one out to........... ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=113118.0;attach=127498;image) dam Jay looks bloated as hell
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Which one is better? Which one do you prefer?
Don't think any one routine is better or not - you guys kill me do you accually think Dorian or Ronnie trained the same style year round. They swapped training styles all the time (but never as drastic as switching to something like DoggCrapp though). Their routines are pretty similar Ronnie uses more reps. As to who looks the best, well that's a matter of opinion so only a fool would debate that - as to who's the best competitive bodybuilder well the records speak for themselves ;D
BTW just look at this uncontrolled terrible form - anyone could to that if they just "threw" the weight around like he's doing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGm1rcSqKgU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGm1rcSqKgU) Yeah buddy!!!!
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Maybe if Ronnie was stricter in his he wouldn't have torn his muscles so much
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Can you see Dorian's arm in the barbell row pic? Or is that his good arm? Anyway, Dorian tore himself up just as much, if not more than Ronnie, and at a younger age after winning less Olympias!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=113118.0;attach=127498;image) dam Jay looks bloated as hell
jay is 295lbs in this pic and looking twice the size of that little guy..
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I don't know if it's because we've seen alot of Yates and Coleman, but in that Yates vid, at about the 50 second mark, when the music goes low and the camera cuts to the back relaxed shot of him backstage, you just think- fuck, that's hardcore.
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jay cutler uses even better form with moderate weights.at times he goes higher but he has no need to look like a train wreck.high volume rulz.jay cutler does not compramise on the intensity too.he lifts with all his might.yates although had alot of torn muscles but dorians dry condition covered his torn muscles.even with torn muscles his condition never took a back seat.in ronnies case his torn muscles look worse and because of his soft condition it looks 10 times worse than dorians torn muscles or any bodybuilders torn muscles
jay trains hard, but i think a tad less than yates and ronnie.
he doesnt go all out with the weight (even for 8-10 reps), so how can you say he trains as hard?
his form is nowhere near yates' form.
yates has the best form i've seen among pros, others include priest and markus.
also, jay doesnt have the hard look that dorian had and to a lesser extent ronnie had.
i think that has something to with max poundages, whehter it be with low reps like dorian or higher reps like ronnie.
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jay trains hard, but i think a tad less than yates and ronnie.
he doesnt go all out with the weight (even for 8-10 reps), so how can you say he trains as hard?
his form is nowhere near yates' form.
yates has the best form i've seen among pros, others include priest and markus.
also, jay doesnt have the hard look that dorian had and to a lesser extent ronnie had.
i think that has something to with max poundages, whehter it be with low reps like dorian or higher reps like ronnie.
jay uses moderated poundages with maximum instensity..mind you he is a high volume trainer
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jay uses moderated poundages with maximum instensity..mind you he is a high volume trainer
moderated poundages seems contradictory to maximum intensity.
how can it be maximum intensity/effort if the weight isnt the max - the max for 10 reps.
i would say jay uses moderate poundages and high intensity.
i dont want to make it seem that jay doesnt train hard - he certainly does. he says he doesnt rest too long between sets with high volume and heavy weights is hard to do.
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moderated poundages seems contradictory to maximum intensity.
how can it be maximum intensity/effort if the weight isnt the max - the max for 10 reps.
i would say jay uses moderate poundages and high intensity.
i dont want to make it seem that jay doesnt train hard - he certainly does. he says he doesnt rest too long between sets with high volume and heavy weights is hard to do.
lol jay never said that heavy weights are hard to do..jay can always lift really heavy weights..he fears that he would get injured..look what happened to ronnie coleman..torn from every place
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lol jay never said that heavy weights are hard to do..jay can always lift really heavy weights..he fears that he would get injured..look what happened to ronnie coleman..torn from every place
well ronnie is also alot older than jay. I think you have to be superhuman to train like ronnie for as long as he did and not get hurt, it's like he was a freak of nature or something. I don't think anybody could really keep up with him if he trained the way it's described on his vids and in the mags.
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well ronnie is also alot older than jay. I think you have to be superhuman to train like ronnie for as long as he did and not get hurt, it's like he was a freak of nature or something. I don't think anybody could really keep up with him if he trained the way it's described on his vids and in the mags.
I would never train like ronnie, even if it did get gains quicker. I like how Lee trains, his form is always perfect and after all these years hes had no serious injury and when you see him you can just tell his physique has great quality.
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I would never train like ronnie, even if it did get gains quicker. I like how Lee trains, his form is always perfect and after all these years hes had no serious injury and when you see him you can just tell his physique has great quality.
most guys can't train like ronnie, it's really not even an option for the average guy...you'd kill yourself. The guy is a mutant.