Neither, both are well past me. Dorian trained balls to the walls everyday and pulled more muscles than I thought the human body had. ROnnie is probaly the luckiest guy in the world for not injuring himself for his 8 wins. In all honesty if I trained like Ronnie I would expect someone to come up to me and say excuse me you're being a moron stop throwing that weight around. Jays workouts are way to long. My approch though is like his lighter weights with good form then heavy when I feel really good. Ronnie had the best X frame though and this year coming up hes going to win again. I mean c'mon his only flaw is his abs. People say his calves but in reality there huge what did that flex article say saying ronnies calves are small are like Louisana is small well when you put it right next to Texas of course it is. His quads are just that big that his calves well always look small in comparison.