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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2006, 11:39:38 AM »
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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2006, 11:41:50 AM »
Being a fan is one thing but repeatedly referring to your bodybuilding idol (jaw gutler in this case) as KING with CAPITALISED letters(althought I THINK he just randomly PRESSES the caps lock button EVERY now and THEN)... is a bit more than fan-like.



jaw fucking gutlers.... lmfao.... someone needs to make tshirts




























Or he could jsut be normal and argue for his bodybuilding ideal for 600+ pages  8)

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2006, 12:56:56 PM »
agreed that on most excersises ronnies form is far from perfect... but he squat and deadlift form is flawless... also ronnie is lightyears ahead of dorian in terms of pure strength...

He does use good form for those exercises.  he does bounce on the deadlift though, but whatever works.  Stronger than Dorian no way man.  Dorian did 405 incline right down to the chest for 6 perfect reps.  He uses perfect form on every exercise and there is a huge difference between that and just getting the weight from point a to b.  Ronnie is very strong but lightyears ahead of Dorian?

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2006, 01:07:22 PM »
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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2006, 02:11:02 PM »
  Ronnie is very strong but lightyears ahead of Dorian?
You're wrong. Unless Yates' squat and bench max. (and others like curls) magically went up, Yates had good strength vs. superhuman strength and development.

Sorry to burst the fantasy but you still have this:

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2006, 02:12:52 PM »
JAY CUTLERS TRAINING STYLE IS THE BEST..I DON'T WANNA LOOK LIKE THIS PIECE OF SHIT

once again you show your ignorance...  training style does not effect extended abdomen...but drug regimen does and your boy Jay is on just as much shit as anyone in the game and his physique shows just that....

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2006, 02:15:07 PM »
"Slight" difference in weight used-like almost twice as much. ;D

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2006, 02:16:07 PM »
You're wrong. Unless Yates' squat and bench max. (and others like curls) magically went up, Yates had good strength vs. superhuman strength and development.

Sorry to burst the fantasy but you still have this:

Same contest loser  ;)

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2006, 02:17:39 PM »
Same contest loser  ;)
Desperate fucking idiot resorts to contest pics when it's obvious the thread is about training & Coleman's dominance. hahaahahahahahahahah

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2006, 02:19:21 PM »
"Slight" difference in weight used-like almost twice as much. ;D

And this isn't powerlifting its called bodybuilding , you wouldn't know that because you use a Bow Flex  ;) the weight is means to and end , you have much to learn Mr " I can bench 410 pounds power rods for 15 full consecutive reps !!

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2006, 02:20:24 PM »
Desperate fucking idiot resorts to contest pics when it's obvious the thread is about training & Coleman's dominance. hahaahahahahahahahah

I love how you out youself umm genius it was YOU who posted the standing relaxed shot of Yates from the 1994 Mr Olympia  ;)

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2006, 02:23:16 PM »
And this isn't powerlifting its called bodybuilding , you wouldn't know that because you use a Bow Flex  ;) the weight is means to and end , you have much to learn Mr " I can bench 410 pounds power rods for 15 full consecutive reps !!

ND turned down my challenge to do 410 lb. bench on a Bowflex, the little PUZZY. hahahahaha

Show us some pics having to do with this thread and Yates huge poundages! ;D

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2006, 02:23:44 PM »
Then show us some pics of Yates power. hahahaahahahahahahah

Again its NOT about power , this isn't powerlifting its bodybuilding.

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2006, 02:24:47 PM »
Again its NOT about power , this isn't powerlifting its bodybuilding.

That wasn't the gist of the posts discussing strength, you idiot. Pay attention, ovecome your ADD.
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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2006, 02:58:34 PM »
You're wrong. Unless Yates' squat and bench max. (and others like curls) magically went up, Yates had good strength vs. superhuman strength and development.

Sorry to burst the fantasy but you still have this:

  What a crock of shit. The only reason why Ronnie used geater weights is because he maxed out with singles and doubles, something that Dorian never did. Now Ronnie was stronge in the deadlift and squat, but that was about it. Peter McGough has stated repeatedly that the reason for why Dorian used the weights he did is because he was obsessed with super-strict reps and a full range of motion. If Dorian wanted, he could have used much greater weights.

  Besides, even with his super-strict training style and full ange of motion, Dorian still used some pretty fucking heavy weights! How about bent over barbell rows with five plates as side for 6 reps without cheating? Or one arm dumbbell rows with 200 lbs dumbbells fo reps? Or stiff-legged deadlift with six plates a side, again for reps? Look at Dorian executing incline barbell bench press, and he used 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. Observe that, at each rep, the bar would touch hois chest and he would get a full stretch every single time. Now compare this to Ronnie doingt the incline press, where he cheats after doing 3 reps or so. Completely different appoaches to stressing the muscles. Ronnie is stonger in the core execises, granted, but the diffeence overrall is not that great, with Dorian actually being stronger at some exercises.

  The sdame large frames that allows one to be so strong make one a terrible bodybuilder. Look at Shawn, whi is dwarfed by Kovacs in size and strengh, and yet is a much bette bodybuilder, with longer muscle bellies, smaller joints, etc. None of the really, really stong guys could be a successful pro because of their large frames. Kovacs never made it is a pro, and Shawn finished in the top five at the Mr.Olympia a dozen times. ;)


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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2006, 02:59:46 PM »
maybe if dorian used improper form he would not have torn his muscles so much 8)
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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2006, 03:02:22 PM »
maybe if dorian used improper form he would not have torn his muscles so much 8)

  Or maybe he would never had won any Sandows. 8) ;)

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2006, 03:03:23 PM »
That wasn't the gist of the posts discussing strength, you idiot. Pay attention, ovecome your ADD.

Ronnie has stronger that Dorian , Dorian was stricter with his movements , Dorian was no slouch in the strenght department.

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2006, 03:06:27 PM »
maybe if dorian used improper form he would not have torn his muscles so much 8)

Maybe if Ronnie was stricter in his he wouldn't have torn his muscles so much

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2006, 03:09:49 PM »
proper form

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2006, 03:15:03 PM »
Maybe if Ronnie was stricter in his he wouldn't have torn his muscles so much

LOL dorian torn his biceps only 3 years into his pro  career.

It took Ronnie 15 years to tear something major...
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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2006, 03:17:12 PM »
proper form
lol I like how u use the leg press(a machine exercise) as an example of dorians' "proper form".  ;D
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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2006, 03:18:22 PM »
LOL dorian torn his biceps only 3 years into his pro  career.

It took Ronnie 15 years to tear something major...

it doesn't matter , all that matters is he did , he's in the same boat , Kevin tore his chest one year in his pro career that means nothing , is that some consolation?

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2006, 03:20:05 PM »
lol I like how u use the leg press(a machine exercise) as an example of dorians' "proper form".  ;D

Well a lot of people don't bring it down far enough , most do 1/2 reps with big weight and pat them selves on the back , same with squats.

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Re: Ronnie versus Dorian training???
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2006, 03:25:02 PM »
  What a crock of shit. The only reason why Ronnie used geater weights is because he maxed out with singles and doubles, something that Dorian never did. Now Ronnie was stronge in the deadlift and squat, but that was about it. Peter McGough has stated repeatedly that the reason for why Dorian used the weights he did is because he was obsessed with super-strict reps and a full range of motion. If Dorian wanted, he could have used much greater weights.

  Besides, even with his super-strict training style and full ange of motion, Dorian still used some pretty fucking heavy weights! How about bent over barbell rows with five plates as side for 6 reps without cheating? Or one arm dumbbell rows with 200 lbs dumbbells fo reps? Or stiff-legged deadlift with six plates a side, again for reps? Look at Dorian executing incline barbell bench press, and he used 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. Observe that, at each rep, the bar would touch hois chest and he would get a full stretch every single time. Now compare this to Ronnie doingt the incline press, where he cheats after doing 3 reps or so. Completely different appoaches to stressing the muscles. Ronnie is stonger in the core execises, granted, but the diffeence overrall is not that great, with Dorian actually being stronger at some exercises.

  The sdame large frames that allows one to be so strong make one a terrible bodybuilder. Look at Shawn, whi is dwarfed by Kovacs in size and strengh, and yet is a much bette bodybuilder, with longer muscle bellies, smaller joints, etc. None of the really, really stong guys could be a successful pro because of their large frames. Kovacs never made it is a pro, and Shawn finished in the top five at the Mr.Olympia a dozen times. ;)


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