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Title: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2007, 09:19:31 PM
No you don't.  Not supporting us is not supporting the war. 

Does everyone agree with this?
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 04, 2007, 09:26:41 PM
yea, neocons... There is no way they equal.  I find the notion offensive and it is just outright intimidation.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: sandycoosworth on January 04, 2007, 10:23:44 PM
think of troops as telemarketers

some people say they are just poor sob's doing a job

their job happens to be closely tied with thousands of peoples murders, some directly, some indirectly ... so i dont feel compassion for them

and the dumbasses think they are fighting for my right to not feel compassion when they are actually fighing for the kind of people who are shutting everyone up, which is the kind of people they were supposed to be deposing

im wired!
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: kh300 on January 04, 2007, 11:42:59 PM
Does everyone agree with this?

yes,, those soldiers choose to be there,, many of them stay after their first tour,, they are there because its something they want and choose to do.. so how can you support someone if you dont believe in what theyre doing? now if there was a draft and people were forced to be there, then you can support the troops and not the war
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 05, 2007, 06:12:02 AM
Go ahead don't support the soldiers. MAKE NO MISTAKE I"M NOT THERE FOR U AT ALL. I'm there for 99 cent gas..I'm there to make sure I can watch Tom Brady go into the HOF. I'm there to make sure some rag head POS doesn't blow up Fenway Park. These kids are the best this country has..their all hero's.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: xpac2 on January 05, 2007, 06:23:19 AM
Go ahead don't support the soldiers. MAKE NO MISTAKE I"M NOT THERE FOR U AT ALL. I'm there for 99 cent gas..I'm there to make sure I can watch Tom Brady go into the HOF. I'm there to make sure some rag head POS doesn't blow up Fenway Park. These kids are the best this country has..their all hero's.

Don't believe the lies that you are being fed. This war is only for a personal grudge of George Bush, it means nothing. It's a pointless war. Americans are dying for one mans ego. He should be impeached and put on trial for lying to you people. What does IRAQ have to do with Osama and Al-queda?

I still don't think 9/11 was an inside job though  ;D
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 05, 2007, 06:26:43 AM
Nobody lied to me dude. I've been one uniform or another since I was 17. These people suck and need to go.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2007, 06:30:36 AM
Nobody lied to me dude. I've been one uniform or another since I was 17. These people suck and need to go.
Ok Hitler ::)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2007, 06:40:05 AM
The way I see it and I've said this before, The troops pretty much give up their right to debate the policy of a war.  They can't come out in opposition to the war, they don't have that privilege.  They count of the democracy to function properly while they are in.  I support the troops, I believe in a strong military, I always vote yes for veterans when they are on the ballot for something. Yes every fucking time.  They are doing their duty, they are NEVER EVER EVER WRONG!!!!  That does not mean that the policy that sent them into battle wasn't wrong, it may very well be which does not translate to the troops.  Leave the politics of war to the politicians and civilian citizenry.  They ARE THE MOTHERS, BROTHERS, FATHERS, SISTERS of the TROOPS!!!  This isn't complicated and anyone who says I don't support the troops because I don't agree with the war is a complete dipshit engaging in neocon/radical propaganda.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 05, 2007, 06:43:37 AM
Besides the Hitler comment..B >:(.. I agree with Beserker...I'm not exactly thrilled to be here either but u do what u have to...I have 37 days left anyway ...on this rotation.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2007, 06:45:30 AM
This isn't complicated and anyone who says I don't support the troops because I don't agree with the war is a complete dipshit engaging in neocon/radical propaganda.


agreed.

Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2007, 06:49:18 AM
Besides the Hitler comment..B >:(.. I agree with Beserker...I'm not exactly thrilled to be here either but u do what u have to...I have 37 days left anyway ...on this rotation.
;D Ok sorry... It sounded hitleresque though :P
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 05, 2007, 06:52:15 AM
No problem. Dude I avoid name calling especially with you and 240..u guys are nuts but i respect you. :P
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 05, 2007, 07:04:50 AM
No problem. Dude I avoid name calling especially with you and 240..u guys are nuts but i respect you. :P
same for you ;D
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 05, 2007, 07:25:24 AM
Besides the Hitler comment..B >:(.. I agree with Beserker...I'm not exactly thrilled to be here either but u do what u have to...I have 37 days left anyway ...on this rotation.

Come home.  ;)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 04:05:49 PM
100% of the troops don't support the war.

You'l have guys like beach bum make that claim based upon conversations with friends, but in anonymous polls of soldiers, many of them admit they disagree with the war.


No Beach Bum never said that.  Do you ever get your facts straight?   ::) 
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: 24KT on January 05, 2007, 04:18:31 PM
Besides the Hitler comment..B >:(.. I agree with Beserker...I'm not exactly thrilled to be here either but u do what u have to...I have 37 days left anyway ...on this rotation.

Ok... Feb 12th. I'm marking my calendar.

Come home soon, ...so I can really start giving you a piece of my mind and waking you up to reality.  :-*
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 05:41:19 PM
yes ya did.  you said the soldiers overwhelmingly supported the war. I told you that was wrong. you said all your friends do.  I showed you polling data showing you are wrong.  you rolled your eyes and STFU'd.

that is all, captain.

Whatever.  You just said I previously said 100 percent of the troops support the war.  Never said that.  You have trouble with the facts and the truth. 
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 05:58:33 PM
Okay beach bum.

what % of american forces support the war in iraq, and where do you get this info from.

clear the air dude.

Okay 240.  I won't waste my time giving you the facts, because you'll just distort them at some point like you always do.   ::)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 06:13:45 PM
you wasted the time writing that, but can't post a number, from 0% to 100%?




You're fired.



I'll waste time writing some more, because I don't feel like working anymore.  No I won't answer another of your dumb questions.   ::)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: 24KT on January 05, 2007, 06:16:01 PM
{giggle} you two crack me up.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 06:24:33 PM
LOL.. TWO posts.

You won't tell me how many of the US forces support the war.

Incredible.

You know you'll be immediately debunked.

Now...

Clean out your desk and get out.

Three posts.  I'm just killing time till I head for the gym.  Friday afternoon workouts:  the best of the week.  I own my desk and my office, so I don't have to clean and get out.  I just don't feel like answering a dumb question.   :) 
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 06:29:45 PM
I just posted a zogby poll which showed 72% of US forces in Iraq want to be out in a year.

Cool to see we finally agree that the majority of US troops are ready to come home!


Brilliant!  You've discovered that most of the troops don't want to get killed.  *Applause*  Glad you figured that out.  How long did it take you?   ::)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 05, 2007, 06:31:41 PM
Beach Bum is so full of shit it's killing me.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHA...

Like arguing with a 3rd grader....

I hate making fun but...

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 06:35:53 PM
Beach Bum is so full of shit it's killing me.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHA...

Like arguing with a 3rd grader....

I hate making fun but...

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Oh please.  I am arguing at the 5th grade level.  MINIMUM.   >:(
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 05, 2007, 06:42:31 PM
I'm sorry.  :(

I feel like an ass hole now.  :(
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 05, 2007, 06:43:29 PM
You kind of seem to spin stuff though so it fits your argument either way.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: 24KT on January 05, 2007, 06:43:37 PM
{giggle} Stop. you're killing me. I was suppose to leave the house an hour ago.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 05, 2007, 06:44:25 PM
{giggle} Stop. you're killing me. I was suppose to leave the house an hour ago.  ;D ;D

It's amazing how entertaining getbig can be.

I love it.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 06:50:40 PM
You kind of seem to spin stuff though so it fits your argument either way.

Spin?  Not really.  You're confusing deconstructing an alleged argument with spin.  Don't confuse me running circles around 240 with spin.   ;D
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2007, 06:54:11 PM
Psst....




U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

"Brilliant!  You've discovered that most of the troops don't want to get killed.  *Applause*  Glad you figured that out.  How long did it take you?"   
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 05, 2007, 09:14:26 PM
I just posted a zogby poll which showed 72% of US forces in Iraq want to be out in a year.

Cool to see we finally agree that the majority of US troops are ready to come home!



Bro..Joe(generic soldier name) likes 2 thing getting paid and strippers everthing else sucks. So u really can't go by this. Hell i want to go home but again u do what u have to
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 05, 2007, 09:30:28 PM
Funny how you haven't seen any Liberals visiting our troops in Iraq.........yes, in that sense, I'd have to say it's equal!
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: AlliedPowers on January 05, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
Funny how you haven't seen any Liberals visiting our troops in Iraq.........yes, in that sense, I'd have to say it's equal!

???

Name the conservatives who went there. 

Shitty argument.  you're desperate.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: AlliedPowers on January 05, 2007, 09:35:48 PM
Top 11 reasons to support celebrities in opposition to war.

11. Somebody has to keep the diplomatic channels open to Europe, and it just happens to be the Dixie-Chix.

10. Two weeks of basic training before filming "Saving Private Ryan" is more military experience than Condoleeza Rice, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney (5 deferments), Tom Delay & Dennis Hastert combined.

9. Don Rumsfeld went to Iraq while Hussein used our chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers (and civilians along the border) and secured the additional shipments to the Iraqi dictator. Sean Penn visited Iraq, but has only used chemicals on himself.

8. Martin Sheen has been arrested 70 times in his pursuit of peace and social justice. George W. Bush's three documented arrests: drunk driving, theft of a Christmas wreath & football hooliganism.

7. MSNBC (General Electric & Microsoft) canceled Donahue, it's highest-rated show, because it offered alternative views.

6. The Pope, a man of some celebrity and moral authority (and an actor in his youth) is against the war.

5. Brit Hume, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh are celebrities, not elected officials or diplomats (incidentally, all avoided service in Vietnam) who make their livelihood shilling for war. Garofalo, Damon et al. risk their livelihoods by opposing it.

4. There is no such thing as apolitical art.

3. "Apocalypse Now!" took 5 years to complete and Martin Sheen saw it all the way through, disease, monsoons and all. George W. Bush skipped the last 17 months of his National Guard service in Texas.

2. Are award shows asking pro-war celebrities to keep their remarks "neutral?"

1. It's their First Amendment right!
 
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 05, 2007, 10:05:58 PM
Funny how you haven't seen any Liberals visiting our troops in Iraq.........yes, in that sense, I'd have to say it's equal!

Actually that fat bastard Al Franken came here. He was supposed to come up on our floor and do some stuff. I banned him. i hate that guy.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: a_joker10 on January 05, 2007, 10:11:16 PM
???

Name the conservatives who went there. 

Shitty argument.  you're desperate.
george bush
donald rumsfield
dick cheney

Allied support thinking people,why give celebrity any credibility, how has an actor benefited society in anyway other than to entertain.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: AlliedPowers on January 05, 2007, 10:18:15 PM
george bush
donald rumsfield
dick cheney

Allied support thinking people,why give celebrity any credibility, how has an actor benefited society in anyway other than to entertain.

most people don't have the means to visit iraq.  you need money and protection.  john public has neither.

those in power don't count - because if kerry won, then he, his VP, and his sec of def would be there.


The original poster said: Funny how you haven't seen any Liberals visiting our troops in Iraq.........yes, in that sense, I'd have to say it's equal!

He said that liberals are traitors because they don't go to iraq.

Which is crap.  I'm guessing his ass hasn't been there either.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 05, 2007, 11:20:26 PM
Actually that fat bastard Al Franken came here. He was supposed to come up on our floor and do some stuff. I banned him. i hate that guy.

haha

I don't really know much about him, but he annoys the piss out of me.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: 24KT on January 06, 2007, 01:44:32 AM
george bush
donald rumsfield
dick cheney

Allied support thinking people,why give celebrity any credibility, how has an actor benefited society in anyway other than to entertain.

I suppose you considered Ronald Reagan when you made that stupid remark?

Actors do more than merely entertain. Actors channel the spirits of man through the ages, and in the process educate, enlighten, and stimulate the thoughts, minds, and souls of man. They also in their celebrity form have the ability to spotlight and raise awareness of issues of grave concern to society and mankind.

What about:

Angelina Jolie,
Audrey Hepburn,
Martin Sheen,
Susan Sarandon,
Elizabeth Taylor,
Mia Farrow,
Oprah Winfrey,
Princess Diana,
Bono,
Paul Newman,
Bob Geldof, etc., etc., etc.

The list goes on & on...

Tell me none of them have left a legacy greater than themselves. You can't.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 06, 2007, 09:11:52 AM
I would remove Angelina Jolie from that list.  Her "legacy" is pretty tainted. 
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 06, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
I suppose you considered Ronald Reagan when you made that stupid remark?

Actors do more than merely entertain. Actors channel the spirits of man through the ages, and in the process educate, enlighten, and stimulate the thoughts, minds, and souls of man. They also in their celebrity form have the ability to spotlight and raise awareness of issues of grave concern to society and mankind.

What about:

Angelina Jolie,
Audrey Hepburn,
Martin Sheen,
Susan Sarandon,
Elizabeth Taylor,
Mia Farrow,
Oprah Winfrey,
Princess Diana,
Bono,
Paul Newman,
Bob Geldof, etc., etc., etc.

The list goes on & on...

Tell me none of them have left a legacy greater than themselves. You can't.

We're talking about people that actually matter, and I noticed how you have Princess Diana on there.....news flash....she's been dead for 10 years, don't pull names out of your ass, I was referring to people in politics or related......you know people like Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ollie North (who is still there) Hannity, Limbaugh (Rush and David), O'Reilly, quite a few of the Republican congress and senate, we even had our own representive from our district go............"Princess Diana"  Hahahahhahahaha....that was a good one..LOL!!

I just looked at that list again.....AUDRY HEPBURN????????? Hell, why not Charlie Chaplin or the Three Stooges Hahahahahahaha!!
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 06, 2007, 09:29:30 AM
Oh yeah I almost forgot about Sean Penn, he was there..............to blast America, not support the troops, as a matter of fact, quite few of those Hollywood assholes went to all kinds of countries and talked shit about our Government and America including ALGORE!!
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 09:45:29 AM
Funny how you haven't seen any Liberals visiting our troops in Iraq.........yes, in that sense, I'd have to say it's equal!
YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR AS USUAL TALKING OUT YOUR ASS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU DO IS LISTEN TO THAT POS RUSH.  GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU SPEW NEXT TIME...

Here's just one example from one of the biggest liberals out there...

Al Franken has done 7 USO tours...

http://midwestvaluespac.org/blog/125/usophotoessay
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 09:46:34 AM
Actually that fat bastard Al Franken came here. He was supposed to come up on our floor and do some stuff. I banned him. i hate that guy.
ARE YOU SERIOUS ::)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: 24KT on January 06, 2007, 09:56:24 AM
Funny how you haven't seen any Liberals visiting our troops in Iraq.........yes, in that sense, I'd have to say it's equal!

Are you saying Hilary is a Republican?  I think not!
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 10:08:04 AM
Are you saying Hilary is a Republican?  I think not!
There's more too.  Isn't Robbin Williams a lefty?
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 06, 2007, 10:54:02 AM
Oh yeah I almost forgot about Sean Penn, he was there..............to blast America, not support the troops, as a matter of fact, quite few of those Hollywood assholes went to all kinds of countries and talked shit about our Government and America including ALGORE!!

Sean Penn is another one who needs to leave the country. 
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 11:12:25 AM
Sean Penn is another one who needs to leave the country. 
::) Just shut up... Penn was there ground zero after hurrican Katrina pulling people out of danger while your fucktard of a president was flying over and planning photo ops... ::)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 11:15:39 AM
If only more Americans had the balls to think for themselves rather than plug into Hannity and Rush...

You are the traitor Beach... Your Ignorance is what will destroy America.



The actor and director Sean Penn made the following statement at a news conference in Baghdad on Sunday afternoon:

"I am a citizen of the United States of America. I believe in the Constitution of the United States, and the American people. Ours is a government designed to function "of"-"by"-and-"for" the people. I am one of those people, and a privileged one.

I am privileged in particular to raise my children in a country of high standards in health, welfare, and safety. I am also privileged to have lived a life under our Constitution that has allowed me to dream and prosper. In response to these privileges I feel, both as an American and as a human being, the obligation to accept some level of personal accountability for the policies of my government, both those I support and any that I may not. Simply put, if there is a war or continued sanctions against Iraq, the blood of Americans and Iraqis alike will be on our hands.

My trip here is to personally record the human face of the Iraqi people so that their blood -- along with that of American soldiers -- would not be invisible on my own hands. I sit with you here today in the hopes that any of us present may contribute in any way to a peaceful resolution to the conflict at hand.

I thank Norman Solomon and the Institute for Public Accuracy for facilitating my visit."

Sean Penn
December 15, 2002



 

Go To Original

Actor Sean Penn Visits Baghdad
By The Associated Press

Sunday, 15 December, 2002

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Actor Sean Penn visited a Baghdad children's hospital Friday, saying he came to Iraq for a better understanding of the crisis with the United States.

Penn said only that he was ``very glad I'm here'' when he arrived at the Al-Mansour Children's Hospital. He refused to talk further with reporters or allow them to join his tour of the hospital, saying he needed privacy with the sick children.

In a statement issued here and in Washington. D.C., Penn said that ``as a father, an actor, a filmmaker and a patriot'' his visit to Iraq ``is for me a natural extension of my obligation ... to find my own voice on matters of conscience.''

Penn said he was happy that he had a chance ``to pursue a deeper understanding of the conflict'' and hoped that ``all Americans will embrace information available to them outside conventional channel.''

Penn's three-day visit to Iraq was organized by the Institute for Public Accuracy, which has offices in Washington and San Francisco.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 06, 2007, 11:45:50 AM
::) Just shut up... Penn was there ground zero after hurrican Katrina pulling people out of danger while your fucktard of a president was flying over and planning photo ops... ::)

O.K.  I'll shut up, oh wise one.   ::)  Is this like idiot's week on getbig?  Geeze Louise.  Full Moon?  Speaking of the moon. . . . LOL.  Nuts.   ::)
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 06, 2007, 11:51:56 AM
If only more Americans had the balls to think for themselves rather than plug into Hannity and Rush...

You are the traitor Beach... Your Ignorance is what will destroy America.


Can you move to China please?  I'll chip in for the plane fare.  (Coach.) 

And take Sean Penn with you. 
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 06, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR AS USUAL TALKING OUT YOUR ASS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU DO IS LISTEN TO THAT POS RUSH.  GET A CLUE BEFORE YOU SPEW NEXT TIME...

Here's just one example from one of the biggest liberals out there...

Al Franken has done 7 USO tours...

http://midwestvaluespac.org/blog/125/usophotoessay

Big freaking deal.....I'm talking about who sincerely cares, Franken is the side show of life, he goes there does his promo USO tours, thanks the troops, then comes back and shit talks.....like most libs, he's a backstabbing SOB......besides, I was talking about politicians not people who try and emulate Rush and fail miserably!

BTW, what the is "midwestvaluepack.com"???????????????????????
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: youandme on January 06, 2007, 12:04:10 PM
Just watched "All the Kings Men" Sean Penn was great,  Sean Penn for president everybody!!!!
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 06, 2007, 12:33:21 PM
Big freaking deal.....I'm talking about who sincerely cares, Franken is the side show of life, he goes there does his promo USO tours, thanks the troops, then comes back and shit talks.....like most libs, he's a backstabbing SOB......besides, I was talking about politicians not people who try and emulate Rush and fail miserably!

BTW, what the is "midwestvaluepack.com"???????????????????????

First you say no liberals visit, then when someone points out the facts, you start pulling stuff out of your ass by saying he doesn't care. Well he cares enough to have visited a dangerous country like 7 fucking times.  ::)

Oh and another thing.. Just because people are celebrities doesn't mean they don't care. Saying Sean Penn should leave this country is pretty stupid, I mean the guy is a true American. Just because he's critical of this admin and isn't a blind sheep does not make him anti-American. I guess someone who hates American would risk his life to go down into hurricane Katrina damaged NO to help the needy, and visit children and troops in Iraq is a traitor.  ::)

There's a point where you gotta see that you are going absolutely nowhere with your bullshit arguements. I mean you neocon sheeps will bring up things that are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand because you lack the ability to argue to the point. What's the worse is that you actually believe the bullshit your spew and think not following what this bullshit administration tells you = anti-american.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 06, 2007, 12:47:28 PM
When a celebrity speaks his political opinion, he automatically loses HALF of his fan base.

So when anyone on either side comes fwd, he/she loses millions of dollars.

Calling them a traitor for using their fame to get a camera crew to point out hundreds of crippled children in hospitals which CNN/FOX/MSN would never show...


... I don't think you would recognize a traitor if you really saw one.


The use of the word around here is disgusting.  To falsely call another American a traitor is a serious fucking charge.  people here do it flippantly all day long, to anyone who disagrees with Bush's aggressive war policy.


So true. These fuckers have nothing to argue on, so they throw up some bullshit charge like "traitor" and then there's always "hate our troops."
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 06, 2007, 01:05:23 PM
The #1 call of "those damn liberals" is to bring our troops home.

I'm not sure how losing millions in income to try to get our men & women home to safety is "hating our troops". 

Don't forget these dudes have a highly flawed and single minded view of a very complex situation. I guess they can't really help it.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 01:07:27 PM
Big freaking deal.....I'm talking about who sincerely cares, Franken is the side show of life, he goes there does his promo USO tours, thanks the troops, then comes back and shit talks.....like most libs, he's a backstabbing SOB......besides, I was talking about politicians not people who try and emulate Rush and fail miserably!

BTW, what the is "midwestvaluepack.com"???????????????????????
have you ever listened to a single fucking Al Franken show?  You're talking out your ass like usual....
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 06, 2007, 02:00:06 PM
The #1 call of "those damn liberals" is to bring our troops home.


I agree, bring them home.....when the time is right, a gradule pull out, not all at once like these lunitics who took over the house want us to do.........shit, while we're at it, lets just surrender ::)!!

Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: gtbro1 on January 06, 2007, 02:10:26 PM
Besides the Hitler comment..B >:(.. I agree with Beserker...I'm not exactly thrilled to be here either but u do what u have to...I have 37 days left anyway ...on this rotation.

Don't get dead...you need to be home to watch the Colts beat New England. ;D




Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 06, 2007, 02:10:37 PM
First you say no liberals visit, then when someone points out the facts, you start pulling stuff out of your ass by saying he doesn't care. Well he cares enough to have visited a dangerous country like 7 fucking times.  ::)

 NO to help the needy, and visit children and troops in Iraq is a traitor.  ::)


Lets get one thing straight....I can give a crap about celebrities, yeah they go over there to help the needy and visit the children...props......BU T, if you think they are going there on their own dime.....your high and extremely naive, these celebs are under contract with major studios and don't think for one second the other half of that charitable trip wasn't a great PR move for them and the company their under contract with.......and yes, people like Penn and Gore and other "AMERICANS" who go to other countries and trash our system on foreign soil are traitors!!!!


Main Entry: trai·tor
Pronunciation: 'trA-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English traytour, from Anglo-French traitre, from Latin traditor, from tradere to hand over, deliver, betray, from trans-, tra- trans- + dare to give -- more at DATE
1 : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2 : one who commits treason
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: gtbro1 on January 06, 2007, 02:12:21 PM
I agree, bring them home.....when the time is right, a gradule pull out, not all at once like these lunitics who took over the house want us to do.........shit, while we're at it, lets just surrender ::)!!




YOU are a fucking idiot. The war in Iraq has NOTHING to do with defending America. It has everything to do with Bush proving how mighty we are.This war is ONLY about Bush's ego and the oil.NOT about protecting America,
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 06, 2007, 02:14:12 PM

YOU are a fucking idiot. The war in Iraq has NOTHING to do with defending America. It has everything to do with Bush proving how mighty we are.This war is ONLY about Bush's ego and the oil.NOT about protecting America,

YEAH OK Lib!!! THEY HAD WMDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: gtbro1 on January 06, 2007, 02:17:35 PM
and yes, people like Penn and Gore and other "AMERICANS" who go to other countries and trash our system on foreign soil are traitors!!!!



  GOD you are fucking stupid. How does exercising FREE SPEACH make you a traitor? Just because they do not agree with this bull shit WAR does not make  them traitors.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: gtbro1 on January 06, 2007, 02:18:47 PM
YEAH OK Lib!!! THEY HAD WMDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 THEY DID?  Where?


   WE FOUND NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!


              P.S. WE HAVE Weapons of Mass destruction...and WE HAVE USED THEM!!! Even though it was justified in WW2 it doesn't change the fact that we have  used nuclear weapons against another nation.
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on January 06, 2007, 02:19:44 PM
LOL Oh yeah, I forgot.  ;D
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 06, 2007, 04:46:10 PM
Lets get one thing straight....I can give a crap about celebrities, yeah they go over there to help the needy and visit the children...props......BU T, if you think they are going there on their own dime.....your high and extremely naive, these celebs are under contract with major studios and don't think for one second the other half of that charitable trip wasn't a great PR move for them and the company their under contract with.......and yes, people like Penn and Gore and other "AMERICANS" who go to other countries and trash our system on foreign soil are traitors!!!!



I'm guessing you are against free speech?

How do you know their agendas? Are you their attorney or accountant? So what if they're under contract? They're actors you loon. Penn had the balls, and to be honest, I think he went down there because he cared about their countrymen. How the fuck do you know he went there to pull a publicity stunt? You are just assuming.

Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: AlliedPowers on January 06, 2007, 04:48:51 PM
I'm guessing you are against free speech?

How do you know their agendas? Are you their attorney or accountant? So what if they're under contract? They're actors you loon. Penn had the balls, and to be honest, I think he went down there because he cared about their countrymen. How the f**k do you know he went there to pull a publicity stunt? You are just assuming.

True.

Mr I - How can you assume the agenda of Sean penn, but not of Ollie North?  Both are civilians who are there for their beliefs and possibly, as you mentioned, their jobs.  Are you saying that Penn went there for the movie studios, which was wrong, but North went there for FOX, which is right?
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: gtbro1 on January 06, 2007, 05:07:14 PM
True.

Mr I - How can you assume the agenda of Sean penn, but not of Ollie North?  Both are civilians who are there for their beliefs and possibly, as you mentioned, their jobs.  Are you saying that Penn went there for the movie studios, which was wrong, but North went there for FOX, which is right?



Intenseone is a closed minded bible thumper who will not listen to anything other than "BUSH IS RIGHT"
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 06:36:20 PM
I agree, bring them home.....when the time is right, a gradule pull out, not all at once like these lunitics who took over the house want us to do.........shit, while we're at it, lets just surrender ::)!!


I believe the correct term is surrender monkeys ::)

 :P
Title: Re: Does not supporting the war = not supporting the troops?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 06, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
Nice to see Intenseone's entire view of Al Franken is from Rush/Hannity and probably O'Reilly... Figures... The first time I listened to him by the way all these fuckers talked, I thought for sure he would sound like Karl Marx... Good Grief, not even close.  99% of what he says is pretty mundane common sense stuff.  He gets his bad rap mostly from revealing lies told by Rush and Bill O'Rielly and it's funny, he does a good job of busting these guys in some blatant lies.  The other thing he spends most of his time on is revealing corrupt politicians... He spends a great deal of time talking about guys like Delay, Abermoff etc...  So the rightwing machine has pretty much come unglued on Al Franken because he had the balls to challenge them on the radio...  So now, guys like Int consider him a traitor batmouthing America... Well I've listened to him a lot and not once has he ever badmouthed America.  Never... He's much more likely to get all mushy and cry talking about how he feels about America... Ya, not good, he gets a little emotional about America.  Well that's good, but... The point, Anti-Americanism is NOT in his blood... Have the balls to listen to a man before you condemn him and I don't mean listen to him through the commentary of Rush/OReilly...