Obama Used Cocaine AND Marijuana

[Brixtonbulldog]

Another good thing to point out.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2006/fax20061031.asp

[muscleforlife]

Because the american people have the attention span of a flea and the backbone of an ant.  Because if a democrat had been in office and not bush we probably would have been attacked many more times and everyone would be crying for revenge.  Apparently we need constant reminders that we actually have to fight people that want to kill us but when a president is successful at responding to an attack and ALSO successful at preventing many more everyone seems to forget that there are murderous people out there.

Unfortunately having the attention of a flea is too true for most americans.  Backbone of an ant, being military personnel, I find it disturbing for you to include servicemen and women who have and continue to die for this country everyday.
There are heroic americans who are unheralded everyday, so you should fall back on that misconception.

Since the birth of this country, other countries and governments have been trying to murder us.  That is nothing new.
Bush IS NOT successful at getting the people who attacked us on 9/11.  I do believe he states that Bin laden is of no concern to him.  Also, we will be in Iraq long after his presidency. American lives are being lost in these wars.

It took years between the first attempt on the towers and the second success to bring the towers down.
These people have patience if nothing else.  Most analysts say it isn't a question of IF the terrorists will strike again, but when.

Sandra

[Camel Jockey]

Since the birth of this country, other countries and governments have been trying to murder us.  That is nothing new.
Bush IS NOT successful at getting the people who attacked us on 9/11.  I do believe he states that Bin laden is of no concern to him.  Also, we will be in Iraq long after his presidency. American lives are being lost in these wars.

Sandra

So true. Bush has been more worried about securing resources at the cost of lives, rather than fighting terrorism. The arguement that the Iraq war was a response to 9/11 is not even valid anymore, when you consider all the shocking facts that have come out since. I don't want to disrespect US servicemen, but the military has failed in Iraq in what was really a meaningless and bogus war to begin with. What's worse is that the leaders of this country wont tell its citizens that fact, and worse they'll continue to stir up youngsters to serve by lying to them.

[Wombat]

Unfortunately having the attention of a flea is too true for most americans.  Backbone of an ant, being military personnel, I find it disturbing for you to include servicemen and women who have and continue to die for this country everyday.
There are heroic americans who are unheralded everyday, so you should fall back on that misconception.

Since the birth of this country, other countries and governments have been trying to murder us.  That is nothing new.
Bush IS NOT successful at getting the people who attacked us on 9/11.  I do believe he states that Bin laden is of no concern to him.  Also, we will be in Iraq long after his presidency. American lives are being lost in these wars.

It took years between the first attempt on the towers and the second success to bring the towers down.
These people have patience if nothing else.  Most analysts say it isn't a question of IF the terrorists will strike again, but when.

Sandra

Being military personnel...How would you feel if you were lied to about who actually brought the towers down? If in 25 years someone proves without a doubt that people in the U.S. government were actually the ones that brought the buildings down, what would serving in the military mean to you?

I know its kind of off topic but i just wondered what someone in the military would actually think of serving for such a government if such a thing came out?...

[Camel Jockey]

Being military personnel...How would you feel if you were lied to about who actually brought the towers down? If in 25 years someone proves without a doubt that people in the U.S. government were actually the ones that brought the buildings down, what would serving in the military mean to you?

I know its kind of off topic but i just wondered what someone in the military would actually think of serving for such a government if such a thing came out?...

They wouldn't mind, hell they don't mind now knowing that the Iraq war is a bunch of bullshit. I guess they just want to follow blindly because they think uncle sam can do no wrong.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Unfortunately having the attention of a flea is too true for most americans.  Backbone of an ant, being military personnel, I find it disturbing for you to include servicemen and women who have and continue to die for this country everyday.
There are heroic americans who are unheralded everyday, so you should fall back on that misconception.

Since the birth of this country, other countries and governments have been trying to murder us.  That is nothing new.
Bush IS NOT successful at getting the people who attacked us on 9/11.  I do believe he states that Bin laden is of no concern to him.  Also, we will be in Iraq long after his presidency. American lives are being lost in these wars.

It took years between the first attempt on the towers and the second success to bring the towers down.
These people have patience if nothing else.  Most analysts say it isn't a question of IF the terrorists will strike again, but when.

Sandra

Sandra .. it is inspiring to hear a women so astute. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

Being military personnel...How would you feel if you were lied to about who actually brought the towers down? If in 25 years someone proves without a doubt that people in the U.S. government were actually the ones that brought the buildings down, what would serving in the military mean to you?

I know its kind of off topic but i just wondered what someone in the military would actually think of serving for such a government if such a thing came out?...

I would feel horrible.  Everything would change for me.  But we'll see.

I already have doubts but it is more from the people that hate this country and yet live here an benefit from the US's prosperity.  We have it so good here compared to most parts of the world.

[Brixtonbulldog]

So true. Bush has been more worried about securing resources at the cost of lives, rather than fighting terrorism. The arguement that the Iraq war was a response to 9/11 is not even valid anymore, when you consider all the shocking facts that have come out since. I don't want to disrespect US servicemen, but the military has failed in Iraq in what was really a meaningless and bogus war to begin with. What's worse is that the leaders of this country wont tell its citizens that fact, and worse they'll continue to stir up youngsters to serve by lying to them.

The shocking facts aren't what you have seen.  You've seen the result of mass media hatred of this administration.  And a populace that is not only ignorant but all but deprived of quality and unbiased information.

Our military wins the battles but lack of support from home both emotionally and politically will eventually cost us this war.

[Brixtonbulldog]

How can those statements mean anything?

We know the FBI delivered the explosives that were used in 93 - the mastermind made recordings with the FBI snitch he worked with.  Then, the FBI covered up their involvement until the tapes came out.  The tapes were then gagged and the guy sent to prison.

We know that Bush completely fought a 9/11 investigation, then crippled the final one with budget and time limitations.  We know that the FAA destroyed tapes, NORAD lied about their timeline on the stand, and Bush lied about knowing there was a hijacking by 45 minutes. 

How can you seriously fear terrorists, when the FBI supplied the bombs in 93, and Bush lied then helped cripple the 9/11 investigation?  Seriously, this shit is all easily provable, so call me on anything or google it yourself.

infowars and your other "sources" are far from unbiased in any regard.

you are full of nonsense... ill stick with reality

[headhuntersix]

Being military personnel...How would you feel if you were lied to about who actually brought the towers down? If in 25 years someone proves without a doubt that people in the U.S. government were actually the ones that brought the buildings down, what would serving in the military mean to you?

I know its kind of off topic but i just wondered what someone in the military would actually think of serving for such a government if such a thing came out?...

Good question...based on 14 years of military service..my answer would be...whatever....I would never believe it. Not because its the govenment but because nobody is capable of pulling this off and keeping their mouth shut.

[Brixtonbulldog]

That's a nice excuse.  however, if you need strangers in America to give you "emotional" support for a war, and not more armor, forces, or better battle plans, you should re-evaluate things.

Excuse?? lol

you'd be surpised how much that kind of support can have such an effect... vietnam is a similar example.

we are FAR superior in all of those examples

[Brixtonbulldog]

Good question...based on 14 years of military service..my answer would be...whatever....I would never believe it. Not because its the govenment but because nobody is capable of pulling this off and keeping their mouth shut.

VERY true... leaks would be everywhere.

[headhuntersix]

240 all ur proof is from CT sites...this is all crap. Ever met an FBI agent..regular guys doing their job. Stop watching the X-Files.

[Brixtonbulldog]

911 Commission: FAA had a hotline set up with Secret Service, NORAD, CIA, Pentagon, and FBI within 60 seconds of receiving word that a plane had been hijacked, 8:16 AM

Bush, 9:00 AM - "that must be a terrible pilot", as 3 hijacked planes were in the air and the fourth was taking off.

So um, did Bush sit in his limo for 45 minutes without being told that three planes in the air had been hijacked?

Google "FBI 1993 WTC tapes" and you can listen to the FBI snitch discussing the delivery, exact bombing time, location, etc.


Come on, dude.  You're calling me names and insulting my sources - this shit is real.

could be faked with zero effort

[headhuntersix]

He's killing me

[Brixtonbulldog]

We support our troops but not the war.  Do you not hear me on here every single day, bitching about the fact that 3 or 4 of you die every day, for a fooking lie? 

I support the troops and value American lives greatly.  But the war is bullshit, plain and simple.

No you don't.  Not supporting us is not supporting the war.  We ALL believe in what we do.

Your arguments are the largest pile of shit I've ever seen.

[Brixtonbulldog]

headhunter and brix,

you guys are serving and if you realized this shit was true, you would suddenly question why you're there. Don't do that.

Everyone else,

Look this stuff up.  See for yourself.  FBI gave them the explosives in 93, called it a drill, and said they were fake.  Bush straight up lied about what he knew on 911.  These are facts. learn about it. 

We do... and no reputable news agency (even the liberal ones) will go for your arguments.  Even they think you guys are off the reservation.

[Brixtonbulldog]

He's killing me

Cmon.... Im a navy boy and even I can stick this douche out.

We've got this.  Check his research... none of it is credible.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Actually fuck that....


use some common sense and put years of gov't work to the test... his story is completely off the charts.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I understand your being pissed.  Close the thread. you don't wanna know this stuff.

The NY Times reported on the 1993 WTC tape, then the story, the tape, the snitch, all of it was gagged under nat'l security.  Look up the NY Times story. FBI fore-knowledge and supplying the explosives would have been the story of the year, no?  Disappeared instantly.  nat'l security, sure.  Can't make the FBI look like it killed americans.

The 911 Bush statements - look them up.  Bush said it must be a bad pilot.  FAA found out at 8:16 about 1st hijacking and got Sec Srvc on the line.  This is all public record, dude.

Hmmm... a quick retraction.  Smells like they knew bullshit when they saw it regardless of thier politics.

A comment?  It's not like he's known for his articulation.

[Brixtonbulldog]

That is a garbage argument, and you know it. 

Nope... its the liberal line to "support the troops and not the war" as not to appear un american... but it's hard to hide hatred.

War, force, military, power, strength, freedom.... liberals hate these words.

Well.. maybe not power.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Brix,

You still don't think the war is about oil, do you?

Another motive that was obvious from the start...  this coutry runs on oil pure and simple.

But there are so many reasons 240.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Do you seriously believe that "liberals hate freedom"?

I mean, are you even listening to the rhetoric you're repeating? 

liberals are closet socialists... only they believe THEY should be the ruling class

I sure am

[Brixtonbulldog]

Well, if you believe that the neocons willing to let 4 ofyou die a day care about your "freedom", but the liberals who want you back home alive "hate freedom"....


then carry on!

ok

its not just hating freedom... it's hating MY freedom

[Brixtonbulldog]

You have a lot more freedom if you're back in the USA, on a local base or back at your job (if reservist).

You have a lot less freedom if you have the unpleasant experience of meeting a bullet over there.

Now I understand, you're fighting for economic reasons, which benefit all Americans.  But please don't get all noble with the 'liberation' BS.  We saw an "in", we took it.  We led their leader to the gallows, put a puppet govt in, and now our companies are moving in and we're building bases along the oil pipeline.  it's theft, simply enough. So be it. 

And if I don't believe my tax dollars or american lives should be spent on this pilferage of a soverign nation which didn't attack us - suddenly that means I'm anti- American Soldier?

nope. wrong.

Being in the military isn't about having freedom.. it's about defending it for others at home.

we're fighting for a lot more than economics but no one can convince a bush hater otherwise.   theft my ass.  more like prolonged security, defeat of a growing threat and access to a terror stronghold.  but the economics will definitely be taken advantage of... as it should.

Would you rather have waited until they did attack us?  you actually think they wouldn't have hurt us bad if they were far more powerful?  your side avoids responsibility, plain and simple.

People like yourself who work against this nation in wartime, this nations soldiers and this nations securty are anti- everything this nation stands for.

Nothing is more important than this nations right to exist as a population... no matter what your beliefs/background are.