Lee wins discuss.
What about Dorian vs. Ronnie? It would be interesting to hear some opinions on that.
Dorian was ROBBED in 91 and Haney knew it. Thats why he retired. He couldn't handle the power and granite majesty of Yates.
Disagree with you on this one, champ. Lee couldn't hold Dorian's Jockstrap if we're comparing Dorian's 93 or 95 shape to any of Lee's shape.
'95 Yates would rape Haney. Neither man had good arms.
He handled the "power and granite majesty of Yates" just fine....AND BEAT HIM. Haney retired because he had nothing left to prove. The only milestone left for him to reach was breaking Schwarzenegger's record. Once he did that (at Yates' expense), he simply took his ball and went home.Agreed. Dorian was Mr Olympia once he turned around. From the front he was vonerably. Haney was untouchable from the front and had a better upper back than Dorian.
If Haney and Yates are around the same size (as they were in '91), Haney wins hands down, as he has better shape and proportions. I remember reading somewhere about Haney mentioning that, when his bodyweight was over 250, the judges warned him that his shape and proportions were being jeapordized. So, he brought his bodyweight down.
Agreed. haney all the way.
His best look was in low-to-mid 240s. With Haney, there was no question of size vs. shape. Haney beat his competition with BOTH.
Haney knew it was all over for him and he got very, very lucky to beat Yates in 91....Yates beat Haney in muscularity despite being 11lbs lighter. What does that tell you? It tells you Dorian ass-raped Haney in conditioning and density as a fucking rookie.
Dorian wasn't superior the year they competed ;D. I don't have any pics of them together from the back. Maybe alex does. Haney's back was much more detailed. Not taking anything away from Dorian (the best calves I've ever saw) but haney was better
What about Dorian vs. Ronnie? It would be interesting to hear some opinions on that.
I much prefer Lee Haney's back and whole physique. He was the ultimate package. His waist must have been bellow 30 inches and Dorian's waist was about 37-45 inches.
...Dorian was more Dense and brought in the modern era.
And that's a good thing??!!?? ???
thats a weak rebutle, who do you think would have won between the two in 1992?No it wasn't. I think Haney would have won easily in '92 just like he did in '91. it's not as if Dorian made a huge jump from 91-92. He looked better in 91 when he took 2nd than he did in 92 when he won. I thought Shawn should have won.
im sure the majority would say Dorain. again not many impressive pictures of Haney and much less of his legs. someone got good pics of Haneys legs?
Lee was great....but everybody back in 1991 knew that Yates was closing in on Haney. Lee did the wise thing and retired because he probably would have been beaten by Yates in 1992...and if not...definately in 1993.Labrada and Ray pushed wheeler and Levrone to their limits. You could have a never ending debate as to who was beter between those four. When Haney competed against Ray and Labrada and he was on, It wasn't really close. How do you figure he would've had a hard time with them
Haney would have had a very hard time with Levrone and Wheeler too.
Labrada and Ray pushed wheeler and Levrone to their limits. You could have a never ending debate as to who was beter between those four. When Haney competed against Ray and Labrada and he was on, It wasn't really close. How do you figure he would've had a hard time with them
haney would have continued to beat yates if he brought his legs up to 90s standards.
not sure haney could handle the other top names of the 90s tho...
yates deserved maybe one of his 6 sandows. he was an awesome bodybuilder tho, before he started to self destruct.
This is the stupidest post ever. He would have defeated Yates but not the other competitors of the 1990s? That's non-sensical, since Dorian defeated all the other competitors of the 1990s, which by your logic would imply that Dorian would defeat Haney to.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
no. dorian should have only won one mr o at the most. he was a great bodybuilder. but shawn and levrone should have beaten him several times. so there is logic in the post. nasser beat him in 1997. he wasnt even in the top 3 several times in my opinion. so yes haney would have beaten him but haney would have had problems with levrone and ray etc.
free your mind.
That's your opinion. The fact is that none of these men defeated Dorian, so saying that Haney would defeat Dorian but not them simply wouldn't happen according to the I.F.B.B judges.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
A lot of reports stand that pictures do not do justice to Yates.
you dont understand that it would have been a different competition if you added haney with bigger legs into the 90s mix. its like tennis : if A beats B and C beats A, B can beat C. also bodybuilding is about standards and what standard you care compared to..(just look at the downfall of the great nasser)
its my opinion correct but its the opinion of many that yates didnt deserv most of the mr Olympias. does that mean that yates sucked? no he was great but his wide waist and fucked up arms shouldnt be overlooked. you shouldnt be able to win a mr o with arms looking like that.
My critique of your post is simply the identification of a flawed logical deduction that you made: since Dorian easily defeated Kevin and Shawn, saying that Dorian would defeat Haney but not the other two makes no sense vis-a-vis the way the I.F.B.B judges judge contests. This was a flawed deduction on your part. All the rest of your post is simply your opinion, which has no bearing on a hypothetical contest with all these men would pan out.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If lee Haney stayed competive and played the mass game (chemically) he would be bigger than Dorian with better lines. He simply had better genetics
Well, Chris Cormier and Flex Wheeler were prime examples of 1st class rate genetics, much alike Haney's, competed at the same chemically enhanced era of Yates and could not hold the jockstrap Yates covered his mushroom head and eggs with!! ;)
groink how did you workout during the period when you added the most mass?
Iv'e tried every protocol there is, they are all the same.
I put on the most size when I stopped snorting coke. Honestly
What about Dorian vs. Ronnie? It would be interesting to hear some opinions on that.
Iv'e tried every protocol there is, they are all the same.Hahahah this guy snorts coke and has a 40 inch waist. Now i have seen everything. Worst genetics EVER.
I put on the most size when I stopped snorting coke. Honestly
;D
so you think working a body part once a week is enough?
MY split hits them once every 5 days
ok, understood. the "platz" split i believe...if i remember that thread correctly
This is the stupidest post ever. He would have defeated Yates but not the other competitors of the 1990s? That's non-sensical, since Dorian defeated all the other competitors of the 1990s, which by your logic would imply that Dorian would defeat Haney to.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Haney also competed against Labrada and shawn in their prime. If it wasn't for Haney, Gaspari and labara would have been 3 x Mr olympias and even bigger legends than they are now. All the Zane fans would be considering Labrada the greatest Olympia ever. Yates would've had a much tougher time with Labrada than any of the other guys on that list simply because he was just as consistant. Flex was never able to peak at the O. Shawn wasn't as hard as th judges probably would have wanted. Nasser's back was simply not there. Kevin Peaked his 1st Olympia but was probably a bit too small. He was much bigger the other years but wasn't as tight. If any of those guys werer able to consistantly peak like Dorian was able to or Labrada would have been able to, I think either one of them could have beaten him. I think part of the judging at the O is biased towards someone who cold be consistant. So even the yrs when Shawn & kevin arguably should have won, the judges didn't give it to them because they were not consistant. I don't think they would have had that poblem giving it to labrada
thanks Suckmymuscle; exactly.....
people post pictures comparing the two both in their primes. its not even close. Haney was beating people that used to compete with Arnold for heavens sake , thats not a compliment, they were old and had not adjusted to the new era of size and a complete package. Dorain was competing against guys like wheeler, ray, labarada, dillet, clairemont, matarazzo, baker, cortrell, levrone when they were all in their primes.
again post pictures of the two. from the bottom half down Haney looks like a national level competitor compared to Dorian. and the thread will end there.
Dorian wasn't superior the year they competed ;D. I don't have any pics of them together from the back. Maybe alex does. Haney's back was much more detailed. Not taking anything away from Dorian (the best calves I've ever saw) but haney was betteri was there. you dont know what you are talking about.
Haney vs Dorian?
I'd go with Haney.
Volume Haney
Definition Haney
Biceps Haney
Triceps Haney
Shoulders Haney
Traps Haney
Chest Haney
Back Equal
Hams Dorian
Quads Dorian
Abs Dorian
Calves Dorian
Posing Haney
Charisma Haney
Haney knew it was all over for him and he got very, very lucky to beat Yates in 91....Yates beat Haney in muscularity despite being 11lbs lighter. What does that tell you? It tells you Dorian ass-raped Haney in conditioning and density as a fucking rookie.
Yates had nothing on this.
If Haney would have went down the road that yates did...Haney would have won 15 olympias...Haney didn't use half the garbage that Yates had to use...Shawn Ray is another...If he decided to really go to the dark side, Ray would have competed in the 230 to 240 range and would have easily won many olympias...
First, Haney and Yates were just over 240 which, as I said earlier, gives Haney the advantage (better shape and proportions).
Second, even if Yates won the muscularity round, Haney won the rest, thus giving him the victory.
Third, although it was Yates' first Olympia, Yates was NOT a rookie. He competed in 1990 Night of Champions and placed second to Mohammed Benaziza. Yates opted not to compete in the Olympia that year.
Haney's retirement has NOTHING to do with his being "scared" of Yates. He had one thing left to accomplish: Breaking Arnold Schwarzenegger's record. He did that and retired on top of his game.
Iv'e tried every protocol there is, they are all the same.
I put on the most size when I stopped snorting coke. Honestly
Haney was 249 pounds in 1991 and Yates was 239 pounds thats a 10 pound difference
Yates did win the muscularity rounds and Haney won the other rounds
Dorian was very much a rookie the 1991 Mr Olympia was only his third pro contest and his first Olympia
Haney really didn't retire because of Yates he accomplished everything he wanted and he retied undefeated , if Haney equaled his condition in 91 and entered in 1992 I think he could have beat the package Dorian showed , 1993 Dorian would have beat Haney
Haney was listed at 245; Yates hovered around that same weight (give or take a pound).
Orlando, Florida, was the site of the 1991 Mr. Olympia. Haney was going for eight in a row, but for the first time he was up against a man who was the same height (5'11") and weight (245 pounds) in Dorian Yates, the Beast from Britain. Four points separated them after two rounds, but Haney pulled away in rounds three and four to seize his eighth championship in a row.
http://mrolympia.altervista.org/history2.html (http://mrolympia.altervista.org/history2.html)
Dorian's rookie pro season was 1990; therefore, he wasn't a rookie in 1991. He could have competed at the 1990 Mr. Olympia (as he qualified by placing second at the '90 NOC) but chose not to do so. He won NOC in 1991 and enter that year's Olympia, making it his SECOND year as a pro.
As for Haney, though he did retire on top, he did not retired undefeated. His Olympia debut was 1983, when he placed third behind Mohammed Makkaway and Samir Bannout (1983 Mr. O).
i was there. you dont know what you are talking about.The fact that you were there doesn't mean i don't know what i'm talking about. I probaly know more than you. We have a difference of opinion. I'll never be convinced you're right & I don't think I'll ever convince you I'm right. That fact that you were there means you're even more delusional that most who share your opinion ;D. You witnessed the obvious first hand and refuse to admit it.
Haney was 249 pounds in 1991 and Yates was 239 pounds thats a 10 pound differencevery objective post
Yates did win the muscularity rounds and Haney won the other rounds
Dorian was very much a rookie the 1991 Mr Olympia was only his third pro contest and his first Olympia
Haney really didn't retire because of Yates he accomplished everything he wanted and he retied undefeated , if Haney equaled his condition in 91 and entered in 1992 I think he could have beat the package Dorian showed , 1993 Dorian would have beat Haney
So are you trying to say that Haney was a natural? Drugs are Drugs. If someone has a better combo more props to them.
The last O was a gift to haney. I look the look of Lee, however he did not have the same type of conditioning that Dorian brought. BB has reverted to the pre yates days. Haney would have a better shot against todays pros. They are all kind of...soft.
The fact that you were there doesn't mean i don't know what i'm talking about. I probaly know more than you. We have a difference of opinion. I'll never be convinced you're right & I don't think I'll ever convince you I'm right. That fact that you were there means you're even more delusional that most who share your opinion ;D. You witnessed the obvious first hand and refuse to admit it.meltdown much? relax man, i was there it was a closer show than people think. remember, mr o hasnt lost the show ever since samir all the way to coleman. i have many pics to show that were taken from the 7th row. i just need a scanner damn it. he got the standing ovation because he just won number 8. look at it like this, you could know more about something but if you were not there to see it live then what is the point?
Since you were there, I assume you remember the crowd chanting "beef, beef, beef..." everytime haney moved and giving him a standing ovasion when Haney's won. My point, there were/are ALOT of other people who were there, just like you that agreed/agrees with me.
meltdown much? relax man, i was there it was a closer show than people think. remember, mr o hasnt lost the show ever since samir all the way to coleman. i have many pics to show that were taken from the 7th row. i just need a scanner damn it. he got the standing ovation because he just won number 8. look at it like this, you could know more about something but if you were not there to see it live then what is the point?
No it wasn't. I think Haney would have won easily in '92 just like he did in '91. it's not as if Dorian made a huge jump from 91-92. He looked better in 91 when he took 2nd than he did in 92 when he won. I thought Shawn should have won.haney did not easily win 91 so why would you think he would easily win 92?
I can't see how Yates could have beaten Haney any year except MAYBE 93. but definately not 92.
::)what up adam, how south carolina? cold?
meltdown much? relax man, i was there it was a closer show than people think. remember, mr o hasnt lost the show ever since samir all the way to coleman. i have many pics to show that were taken from the 7th row. i just need a scanner damn it. he got the standing ovation because he just won number 8. look at it like this, you could know more about something but if you were not there to see it live then what is the point?No, not at all, do you? I'm melting down because i disagree with you? Ronnie also won 8 Olympias and got a good amount of boo's. I agree that seeing a show live is very differnt than seeing the pics. The Best recent example is Rusty & Bob, most here thinks Rusty should have won. Seeing the pics, I see why they might think so. I was at the show and it wasn't really close, bob beat him easily. I think an overwhelming majority in attendance that night would agrre with that. As for Haney v Yates there were many people there who though Haney won easily. I remember the female commentator (think sue price), when asked who she thinks would win saying "... Dorian look like a baaaaby next to Lee.." She was there and i'm sure her vantage point was at leat as good as yours.
haney did not easily win 91 so why would you think he would easily win 92?Beacuse I thouh he easily won in 91, even though the scoresheet said it was close. I think that was to make it interesting for the next year than a true indication of the distance between them.
Beacuse I thouh he easily won in 91, even though the scoresheet said it was close. I think that was to make it interesting for the next year than a true indication of the distance between them.
The 2nd reason, I thought Haney would have easily won is because Yates looked better in '91 than he did in 92, alot of people felt Shawn should have won that year.