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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: michael arvilla on February 14, 2007, 06:23:04 PM
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I would hate to sound like one of the squad assholes, but this video truly aplies to one of those "monster" or "brutal" posts they do, dissing delusional lifters.
Come on, what good is it doing leg presses with a ton of weight with your hands on the legs with a 'brutal' lock/unlock type of ROM???? :-\
This dude should REALLY drop 5 plates per side and try for a FULL FUCKING range of motion. It makes me sick to the stomach seeing lock/unlock type of reps on the leg press...... >:(
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I did 1400+ last time I was in Iraq for more than 4 reps.
1500 isn't anything special.
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I did 1400+ last time I was in Iraq for more than 4 reps.
1500 isn't anything special.
And I hope it was with a full range of motion. :-\ ;)
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The first two reps usually were, but I struggled a bit with the others. :)
Anyway, I'm no where near there now. I think the angle of the leg press machine is a huge factor in poundages you can handle.
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I think the angle of the leg press machine is a huge factor in poundages you can handle.
You are absolutely right. Same thing with hack squats. That's why I hate big poundage claims until I can see the kneecaps glued to the chin of the athlete who claims tons of weight leg press ability.
Lee Haney used 5 or 6 plates/side for his leg presses, but his feet were planted on the bottom of the platform and his knees more than squashed his chest on the lowest part of the movement. His legs had tremenduous shape and development......please, don't start comparisons with Coleman's legs, Hulkster et al. :-\
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In a fairness, the dude doing the presses is bigger than most of us.
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In a fairness, the dude doing the presses is bigger than most of us.
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You think so?! :-\
Even if he is, it all should be taken into perspective. A lot of people around here don't do 'roids, ya know.....
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You think so?! :-\
Even if he is, it all should be taken into perspective. A lot of people around here don't do 'roids, ya know.....
I guess, and I must add that your name makes me want to punch a kitten. Micheal Moore...what a douche. Not you, but the "director".
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Looks good to me. Dude's legs came down and touched his torso which is more than can be said for most leg presses I've seen done. Most people unlock the machine and still don't move it past the locked position..weird.
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Looks good to me. Dude's legs came down and touched his torso which is more than can be said for most leg presses I've seen done. Most people unlock the machine and still don't move it past the locked position..weird.
If that clip looks good to you, you don't know what a true leg press motion means! :-\
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I guess, and I must add that your name makes me want to punch a kitten. Micheal Moore...what a douche. Not you, but the "director".
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Why the hate on the real M. Moore? Thanks to the guy, Bush got exposed big time to the whole world. A lot of people in the globe , unfortunate of not living in the U.S. could get a better glimpse of the man who thinks he can run Planet Earth with his iron hands. :-X
Farenheit 9-11 should 've won an Oscar. 8) I've got it on DVD!!
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not a single full rep, looks like he would struggle with half thnat weight for full reps, another delusionla lifter on legs.
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not a single full rep, looks like he would struggle with half thnat weight for full reps, another delusionla lifter on legs.
Exactly !!
In his case especifically, i would bet that 6 to 7 plates/side for 20 reps and above would destroy his legs (in a good way) much , much better than those 1/258 of a rep. Provided he could perform a full, complete deep rep (if he knows what that means regarding a leg press), a much lighter weight with high reps would gorge his legs with so much blood beyond belief.
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At least, if he insists on using that hell of a lot of weight, use knee wraps so they permit him to go full range with total security, plus increasing the number of reps total, per set.
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Exactly !!
In his case especifically, i would bet that 6 to 7 plates/side for 20 reps and above would destroy his legs (in a good way) much , much better than those 1/258 of a rep. Provided he could perform a full, complete deep rep (if he knows what that means regarding a leg press), a much lighter weight with high reps would gorge his legs with so much blood beyond belief.
u dont get real stimulation on half reps, and very little on the hams.
i remember u having great wheels btw MM.
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u dont get real stimulation on half reps, and very little on the hams.
i remember u having great wheels btw MM.
Thanks, Dave !! 8)
In the future I'll see if I can post some new pics.
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What a fcuking tool.
-Hedge
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What a fcuking tool.
-Hedge
By that you mean Shaun Crump, hu, Hedge?! ;D
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Looks good to me. Dude's legs came down and touched his torso which is more than can be said for most leg presses I've seen done. Most people unlock the machine and still don't move it past the locked position..weird.
come on! his legs don't come close to touching his torso. its still somewhat impressive but he would probably get better results going deeper with less weight and higher reps..the magazines always say his upperbody is impressive but he needs some wheels
i tell you who did crazy weight with deep deep reps on the leg press was mike morris
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come on! his legs don't come close to touching his torso. its still somewhat impressive but he would probably get better results going deeper with less weight and higher reps..the magazines always say his upperbody is impressive but he needs some wheels
i tell you who did crazy weight with deep deep reps on the leg press was mike morris
Yep, Mike Morris. There's a pic of him doing the FLEX leg press yellow and black, famous at Gold's Venice, where he crossed an Olympic bar over the top of the fully loaded platform to add more weight, and he was going deep, deep down with the reps. Too bad what happened to him (kidney fuck up). Anyone knows if he was one of Nicholls' students ;D ?!
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By that you mean Shaun Crump, hu, Hedge?! ;D
Of course.
You know I am one of your biggest supporters.
At least when you sport those glasses.
-Hedge
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terrible form, he doesn't look very big in that clip either.
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Of course.
You know I am one of your biggest supporters.
At least when you sport those glasses.
-Hedge
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, I fucking hate those glasses. Can't wait to get my eyes operated on, 'cause I don't tolerate contact lenses very well :'(
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You are absolutely right. Same thing with hack squats. That's why I hate big poundage claims until I can see the kneecaps glued to the chin of the athlete who claims tons of weight leg press ability.
Lee Haney used 5 or 6 plates/side for his leg presses, but his feet were planted on the bottom of the platform and his knees more than squashed his chest on the lowest part of the movement. His legs had tremenduous shape and development......please, don't start comparisons with Coleman's legs, Hulkster et al. :-\
Lee Haney's quads were his worst bodypart....do you really want to go there???
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Lee Haney's quads were his worst bodypart....do you really want to go there???
That could be (in your opinion) his worst bodypart, but it doesn't affect the point I'm trying to make it here.If a multi - Mr. Olympia didn't felt the need to use a ton plus of weight to develop his quads, why a nobody athlete think he knows better than a Mr. O?? And finally, even if it doesn't show on the video, I'm ready to bet that Haney's legs built with 6 plates a side on the legpress are way far better than Crump's tiny piano sticks , miserably trying to be built on a ton plus, half assed partial legpress reps.
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I agree.
Haney build a GREAT physique using less than stellar 'weights'. It has been reported that he would do one-arm dumbbell rows with no more than 85lbs.
He used to do incline dumbbell flys with no more than 70lbs. Nevertheless...look what he accompolished.
My observation based on local people I know with outstanding leg development in the gyms I frequent are that they tend to use 'just enough weight' to get the job done in a moderate-higher rep fashion. For example...
Leg Pressing 6-8 plates a side for 15-20 QUALITY reps will do so much more for your legs than cocking the backpad ALL THE WAY UP and putting 12 plates a side for 7-10 reps using heavy knee wrapping, hands on knees and a spotter or two.
Imagine how much better the quads on The King would look if he ditched the entorage of SPOTTERS and the quater squats with 7 plates a side on a Smith Machine and shot for 4 plates a side...NO humongous team of spotters for quality reps.
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if Haney's quads were his worst, so does Arnold, right?
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I agree.
Haney build a GREAT physique using less than stellar 'weights'. It has been reported that he would do one-arm dumbbell rows with no more than 85lbs.
He used to do incline dumbbell flys with no more than 70lbs. Nevertheless...look what he accompolished.
My observation based on local people I know with outstanding leg development in the gyms I frequent are that they tend to use 'just enough weight' to get the job done in a moderate-higher rep fashion. For example...
Leg Pressing 6-8 plates a side for 15-20 QUALITY reps will do so much more for your legs than cocking the backpad ALL THE WAY UP and putting 12 plates a side for 7-10 reps using heavy knee wrapping, hands on knees and a spotter or two.
Imagine how much better the quads on The King would look if he ditched the entorage of SPOTTERS and the quater squats with 7 plates a side on a Smith Machine and shot for 4 plates a side...NO humongous team of spotters for quality reps.
Ditto, Block......eloquent as usual! 8)
But I strongly advise the knee wraps - not the entourage of helpers plus hands on the knees!!!!
Knee wraps conjure the best of both worlds, provided you don't use them since your first warmup sets :-\
Saving them for the last heaviest sets, say the last 2 with the most weight you could handle for a minimum of 12 reps WITH the wraps, but shooting for 15 and above, you could safely descend the platform to its deepest position without any harm or fear of getting stuck, plus it feels much more confortable - NOT EASIER - from a joint stability point of view when you handle that kinda weight. Ronnie Coleman has always wrapped and his legs were humonguous until that weird distortion to the vastus lateralis of one of his tighs, showed at the O. last year.
I think it's very silly the whole anti-knee wrap bravata. :(
It's the same nonsense of advising against straps for back training.
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Yates did 940lb leg presses
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Oh, these 1/4 rep, "Pat Robertson" leg presses make me CRAZY.
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Thanks for the PROPS, Dr.
I do my best to articulate my points and arguments to the best of my abilities.
The knee wrap issue you pointed out makes sense. On the last two heavier set I could see. The 2nd from last I usually do a wrap but 'not very tight' and my LAST heaviest set I'll wrap normally. Not TOO tight but not as loose as the previous set.
The Leg Press involved also has alot to do with it. I'm not sure what Crump was using there but let's take the Nebula model seen in Ronnie's video. That Leg Press is at a very low angle, most people don't understand which allows more weights to be piled on which looks more impressive than let's say on an Icarian Leg Press.
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Block, the leg press Crump is using is the new model made by hammer strenght, and it is absolutely the most difficult I have ever used. In fact, that piece is a bitch !!!! Very, very steepy angle, with a huge platform. The tubular bearing on which the platform travels is not your usual bearing system. It is a reforced tube so thick that it resembles real posts, so teh platform can be piled with a lot of weight and the trail doesn't bend. That piece holds easily 10 plates a side. It has double posts, 2 on top, 2 lower . Each one holding 10 plates, which amount to a total of 40 45 lbs plates!!!! :o That is more than what NEBULA can hold, except Ronnie Coleman's model, which was a custom made piece, with enlongated posts both up and down.
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There you go !!