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do you think that warren trains harder than coleman?.this is a quote from flex mag
' just 2 weeks out of olympia 2006 warren trains his chest using 405lbs on the inclines and flat bench where as ronnie maxes out at 365lbs on flat bench and 315lbs on the inclines 2 weeks out from the show
what do you fellows think?
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Doesn't really matter. Look where Branch is compared to Ronnie. Completely different class. Plus I never really guage training hardest to meaning you use the heaviest weights. I think Branch being younger can get away with certain things that Ronnie at 42 might not want to try as he is more prone to injuries.
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Plus Ronnie actually lifts the weights, rather than just throwing them a quarter of the way up for like 5 reps then claiming 20 'strict' reps. Ronnie is stronger by a country mile, or at least he was at his peak.
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Hahaha, yeah Coleman does super strict reps.
Right.
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do you think that warren trains harder than coleman?.this is a quote from flex mag
' just 2 weeks out of olympia 2006 warren trains his chest using 405lbs on the inclines and flat bench where as ronnie maxes out on 365lbs on flat bench and 315lbs on the inclines 2 weeks out from a the show'
what do you fellows think?
No one trains harder thar Ronnie, I guess he is the strongest bber ever...
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do you think that warren trains harder than coleman?.this is a quote from flex mag
' just 2 weeks out of olympia 2006 warren trains his chest using 405lbs on the inclines and flat bench where as ronnie maxes out on 365lbs on flat bench and 315lbs on the inclines 2 weeks out from a the show'
what do you fellows think?
that should be your first clue that your source of info is designed for brainwashed sheep with a 6th grade brute mentality. I'd also recommend FOX news.
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that should be your first clue that your source of info is designed for brainwashed sheep with a 6th grade brute mentality. I'd also recommend FOX news.
haha, good call.
FLEX sucks. Remember Ronnie ate lots of broccoli to become MR. O. ::) ::)
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Hahaha, yeah Coleman does super strict reps.
Right.
This just reinforces my point. Everyone knows Ronnie is sloppy as hell, but he still somehow looks like a picture of perfect form next to Branch and Jonnie, who never seem to be able to lift on video what they say they can, and generally can't 'lift' as much as Ronnie anyway.
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Does jonnie jackson trains harder than coleman ::) ::)
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After seeing the Cost of Redemption it is difficult for me to imagine that anyone else out there trains "harder" than Ronnie. Maybe a small handful of guys train as hard but Christ I cannot imagine many bodybuilders exceeding the effort that Ronnie exerts in the gym on a daily basis. After seeing the Cost of Redemption it almost made Cutler's DVDs a disappointment as far as intensity in the gym goes.
Love him or hate him there is simply no denying that Ronnie gives 110% effort at the gym and possesses freaky strength considering his rep range seems to always be in the 8-12 range.
What is most amazing to me is that even at 40+ years old Ronnie does not seem to have sustained the type of injuries that you would expect after all the years of this kind of training (although I know he was a bit banged up at the last Olympia).
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This just reinforces my point. Everyone knows Ronnie is sloppy as hell, but he still somehow looks like a picture of perfect form next to Branch and Jonnie, who never seem to be able to lift on video what they say they can, and generally can't 'lift' as much as Ronnie anyway.
It doesn't reinforce your point in the least. I haven't seen a Warren or Jackson video yet, so I can't really comment on their form. I have seen Coleman videos, and know for a fact that his form is terrible and jerky. Especially on "The Unbelieveable". He puts 315 and does front shoulder presses, moving the bar about 5 inches each rep. Only on the last one does he do a "strict" rep.
So you can't contrast apples with apples.
Training intensity can be argued vehemontly, because we don't know how the muscle is responding. One person can do 135 on bench and another can do 315, does that mean the person that lifts the heavier weight is more intense? Intensity is subjective to how the muscles respond and the energy they expend moving the weight.
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What is most amazing to me is that even at 40+ years old Ronnie does not seem to have sustained the type of injuries that you would expect after all the years of this kind of training (although I know he was a bit banged up at the last Olympia).
Ronnie comments on his injuries in "The Unbelievable". I think he's hurt his shoulders, back, right tricep, both quads...
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I saw these claims on an Ironman Magazine for jonnie jackson:
200lbs incline Dumbbell press for 8reps
245lbs barbell curl for 8-10 reps
150lbs dumbbell Hammer curl for 8-10 reps
675lbs squats for 5 reps
405lbs seated military press for 8 reps
315lbs barbell rows for 10 reps
dumbbell kickbacks with a 100 pounder for 10 reps
I'd say pound for pound, he's stronger than Coleman
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I saw these claims on an Ironman Magazine for jonnie jackson:
200lbs incline Dumbbell press for 8reps
245lbs barbell curl for 8-10 reps
150lbs dumbbell Hammer curl for 8-10 reps
675lbs squats for 5 reps
405lbs seated military press for 8 reps
315lbs barbell rows for 10 reps
dumbbell kickbacks with a 100 pounder for 10 reps
I'd say pound for pound, he's stronger than Coleman
I saw Coleman do prymid sets in squats up to 800lbs, 800lbs for 2 reps, that was after doing like 6-8 reps with 700 something. Until I see with my own eyes someone else lifting these kinds of weights, Coleman is strongest!! That shit is just Sick!
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you girls do realize that not every rep has to be PERFECT, sometimes even curling, a little swing in that thing to move a heavier weight is ok/fine. just get it up! HiYAup!
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you girls do realize that not every rep has to be PERFECT, sometimes even curling, a little swing in that thing to move a heavier weight is ok/fine. just get it up! HiYAup!
I like to learning from example, for instance you are an example of how not to lift.
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I like to learning from example, for instance you are an example of how not to lift.
Shut your pie hole you skinny little biatch! More coffee i must make!
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Shut your pie hole you skinny little biatch! More coffee i must make!
arent you in love? Did you get her parents to sign the permission slip yet ?
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arent you in love? Did you get her parents to sign the permission slip yet ?
i need permission to bust up a 33 year old? dear lord, can she vote yet?
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It doesn't reinforce your point in the least. I haven't seen a Warren or Jackson video yet, so I can't really comment on their form. I have seen Coleman videos, and know for a fact that his form is terrible and jerky. Especially on "The Unbelieveable". He puts 315 and does front shoulder presses, moving the bar about 5 inches each rep. Only on the last one does he do a "strict" rep.
So you can't contrast apples with apples.
Training intensity can be argued vehemontly, because we don't know how the muscle is responding. One person can do 135 on bench and another can do 315, does that mean the person that lifts the heavier weight is more intense? Intensity is subjective to how the muscles respond and the energy they expend moving the weight.
I agree with your second point. However, to disagree with my point when you haven't even seen Branch's form on video seems quite preposterous. Trust me, it's worse. Don't disagree until you know.
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If hard training means strictness of form and willingness to endure the fieriest depths of last-rep agony, I haven't seen anything close to Dorian Yates in "Blood and Guts".
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i would go with warren on this one.there is a pic of him in the latest flex in which he is doing paralle bar dips with chains on his head all of 200lbs..this guy just trains like a maniac.he man handles the weight as if it was nothing.in BFTO 2005 he made the 150lb dumbell seem like they were 100lb dumbells.this guy is an animal.i waiting for his dvd to come out.
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i would go with warren on this one.there is a pic of him in the latest flex in which he is doing paralle bar dips with chains on his head all of 200lbs..this guy just trains like a maniac.he man handles the weight as if it was nothing.in BFTO 2005 he made the 150lb dumbell seem like they were 100lb dumbells.this guy is an animal.i waiting for his dvd to come out.
Believe me Shadow, in what training is concerned Ronnie smokes everyone... The guy is really strong!!!
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strongest and hardest, two different things. intestsity can come from doing giant sets all out till u feel like your gonna puk, doing a heavy ass set and then resting is totally on a differnt scale. but they both have there place.
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that should be your first clue that your source of info is designed for brainwashed sheep with a 6th grade brute mentality. I'd also recommend FOX news.
Actually, I have this issue. It was not a photo shoot, but a "fly on the wall" type perspective on one of Branch's real workouts with his buddy Jay. It really was crazy weight that close to a contest.
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Too much splitting hairs. They both work hard, and would put most bodybuilders to shame.
At a time when there is much debate that no bodybuilders work hard, Warren and Coleman are both examples of people who aren't afraid of a little sweat.
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I saw these claims on an Ironman Magazine for jonnie jackson:
200lbs incline Dumbbell press for 8reps
245lbs barbell curl for 8-10 reps
150lbs dumbbell Hammer curl for 8-10 reps
675lbs squats for 5 reps
405lbs seated military press for 8 reps
315lbs barbell rows for 10 reps
dumbbell kickbacks with a 100 pounder for 10 reps
I'd say pound for pound, he's stronger than Coleman
i have jonnies dvd, and he does 225 on military for a hard as hell 12. granted its four weeks out of a show, but 405 not in hell.
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It really was crazy weight that close to a contest.
True dat.
Fucker is like one of "The Devil's Rejects" barreling straight towards that police barricade with their fuckin' S&Ws blazing, brother! "And this bird you cannot chayyy-eyaaaa-eyaaaa-eyaaaaange!"
Branch Warren is going to be a very sad figure in 10 years time.
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i would go with warren on this one.there is a pic of him in the latest flex in which he is doing paralle bar dips with chains on his head all of 200lbs..this guy just trains like a maniac.he man handles the weight as if it was nothing.in BFTO 2005 he made the 150lb dumbell seem like they were 100lb dumbells.this guy is an animal.i waiting for his dvd to come out.
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It's like asking who trains harder - you or Steve lol.
I agree that it's splitting hairs. It would be like asking which woman below is more beautiful. I don't think that question can be answered.
What are talking about!, the brunette no doubt about it ;D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH. chains on the head is hardcore. ahahahahha
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH. chains on the head is hardcore. ahahahahha
yes chains weighing in at a total of 200lbs.yes that is hard core.i don't hvae a scanner but if i had one i would have scanned that pick
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I saw Coleman do prymid sets in squats up to 800lbs, 800lbs for 2 reps, that was after doing like 6-8 reps with 700 something. Until I see with my own eyes someone else lifting these kinds of weights, Coleman is strongest!! That shit is just Sick!
if you are talking about the redemption video, that was 735 for 4 reps right before 805 for 2....
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Both train insanely hard. The difference is Branch (with 2-3 partners) will be done in 45-50 minutes. Ronnie, by himself, will take an hour and a half to two hours to train. The only recovery time between sets is when the othr guys are going, for Branch. Ronnie might have the heavier lifts, for 2-3 reps, but Branch doesn't exactly go light...and he doesn't go low rep...always at least 8-10, with partials, drops, negatives, etc... Oh, and far as intensity, Ronnie can't come close to Branch. While Ronnie is looking around, giving everyone a "yip yip" and a "yeah buddy", Branch doesn't talk, unless encouraging his partners (and then it is more like a growl).
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Both train insanely hard. The difference is Branch (with 2-3 partners) will be done in 45-50 minutes. Ronnie, by himself, will take an hour and a half to two hours to train. The only recovery time between sets is when the othr guys are going, for Branch. Ronnie might have the heavier lifts, for 2-3 reps, but Branch doesn't exactly go light...and he doesn't go low rep...always at least 8-10, with partials, drops, negatives, etc... Oh, and far as intensity, Ronnie can't come close to Branch. While Ronnie is looking around, giving everyone a "yip yip" and a "yeah buddy", Branch doesn't talk, unless encouraging his partners (and then it is more like a growl).
correct...i really wanted to say that actually
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Ronnie, by himself, will take an hour and a half to two hours to train.
Sadly, because he has nowhere else to go. :(