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Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.
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did you know that the girls in the "girls gone wild" dvd series are not paid. The girls will show their tits and ass just be seen on tv/dvd and the potential attention that it might bring. Although no one really cares or can remember their faces.
I hope that my comments helps to answer your question
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I think it's part of the whole Olympia "package", in terms of figuring P&L. If athletes were cut into the DVD sales, prize money would have to come down to compensate. The promoters choose to put 100% of the athlete's "share" of the Olympia profits into prize money, since higher prize money amounts look more impressive to the fans.
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did you know that the girls in the "girls gone wild" dvd series are not paid. The girls will show their tits and ass just be seen on tv/dvd and the potential attention that it might bring. Although no one really cares or can remember their faces.
I hope that my comments helps to answer your question
I think the girls actually get a hat &/or T-Shirt.
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Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.
OK... OK... which pro are you, and what BFTO have you been featured on? ;D
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Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.
The real reason is that the Mr. Olympia contract requires all competing athletes to participate in the BTFO video without compensation. Perhaps Cutler or Coleman is able to negotiate themselves out of that provision, but none of the other guys have the leverage to do so.
No sign contract, no compete in contest.
No compete in contest, no more sponsorship.
No more sponsorship, no more money.
No more money = gay for pay.
Hope that helps.
Special "Breakdown" Ed
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Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.
Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.
BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.
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Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.
BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.
Thats good way to cheat stupid BBers.
I was in Video sales buisiness too. The MINIMUM GUARENTEE should be paid by money. Not DVD.
100dvd? Maybe it costs 3$X100=300$
Nobody do that in real business.
What a joke.....
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I think the girls actually get a hat &/or T-Shirt.
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The "olympians" get a weekend visit to the Weedas Neverland ranch........ :-X
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Exactly. As I've said many times, if pros continue to work for peanuts, they will continue to get paid peanuts. Hope this helps.
There is no such thing as "force" in economic terms Bob, not even when Wayne was in town. No one ever "forced" these pros to film a DVD by way of cattleprod. They were given a package of costs and benefits that came along with competing at the Mr. Olympia and being in the BFTO was a part of the package. They WILLINGLY signed their contract - no coercion, period. If the pros didn't like the terms, they should never have signed. If all pros decided to exercise their market force and say no, the IFBB would have no choice but to offer them some compensation in exchange for participation.
In life we get our market value.
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Thats good way to cheat stupid BBers.
I was in Video sales buisiness too. The MINIMUM GUARENTEE should be paid by money. Not DVD.
100dvd? Maybe it costs 3$X100=300$
Nobody do that in real business.
What a joke.....
Normaly, the minimum guarantee should been decided based on the % of retail price X the units assumed to be sold within 1-2years.
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In life we get our market value.
Have you been reading more self improvement material Max? ;D
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Exactly. As I've said many times, if pros continue to work for peanuts, they will continue to get paid peanuts. Hope this helps.
There is no such thing as "force" in economic terms Bob, not even when Wayne was in town. No one ever "forced" these pros to film a DVD by way of cattleprod. They were given a package of costs and benefits that came along with competing at the Mr. Olympia and being in the BFTO was a part of the package. They WILLINGLY signed their contract - no coercion, period. If the pros didn't like the terms, they should never have signed. If all pros decided to exercise their market force and say no, the IFBB would have no choice but to offer them some compensation in exchange for participation.
In life we get our market value.
And no one "forces" you to show up for work every day (assuming you have a job)...and no one "forces" you to pay your taxes either...etc, etc.
Next time you show up for your job...ask for that raise you think you deserve, if they say "no"....exercise your market force and say "I quit"...your employer would have no choice but to offer them some compensation / raise in exchange for your demands.
After all...you willingly agreed to work for minimum wage, right?
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Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.
BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.
chick is the man! and a daddy too
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Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.
BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.
Chick..a quick search of Ebay says the going rate is $7 (tops)
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=battle+for+the+olympia&category0=&submitSearch=Search
$4,000? is that the same as MSRP?
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Seven dollars is the cost of shipping.
I stand corrected..there are many BFTO up for bidding..but only one has an actual offer
http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPIA-BROWN-THE-BATTLE-FOR-EQUALITY-DJ-1st-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ260100796220QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Current bid: US $3.95
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ronnie had wads of 20$ in his hand at the nationals and if i remember correctly he was selling his dvd's and btfo. got pics of his gh hands hold $$$
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If the pros didn't like the terms, they should never have signed. If all pros decided to exercise their market force and say no, the IFBB would have no choice but to offer them some compensation in exchange for participation.
In life we get our market value.
Well, for that to happen, the "pros" would need brains. :-\
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gordiano,
Are you saying it will never happen? :-\
I'm saying that the majority of the bbing pros make Jessica Simpson look like Einstein.......
Yes, it will not happen. If they haven't figured it out by now, they NEVER will.
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marketing a bodybuilder is not a easy task. There are limted ways for an athlete to make revenue. If a Athlete wants to make a video him self then he must pay for it. That cost thousands of dollars. However When doing the Battle for O - you recieve compensation. You may not agree but it is compensation.
$4000.00- in the pocket is better than paying $4000.00 for some start bodybuilder video.
Either support or do not support however quit the whining unless you have a financial plan on how YOU are going to compensate the athletes.
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very hard work to have mits show up at the gym filming you while you're training (which you would be doing anyway) ::)
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very hard work to have mits show up at the gym filming you while you're training (which you would be doing anyway) ::)
lol....are you kidding..this takes lots of prep work!!
"mits, make sure that you get me coming out of my car carrying the extra large gym that I never use while traininng"
"and oh yeah....tell me when you are filming at my house...I need to make sure that mommy is not at home"
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The contract to compete in the Mr. Olympia includes being in the Battle for the Olympia, correct?
So if a pro signs the contract, that means they feel they are in an overall better position to do so even with that stipulation, correct?
Someone explain to me the part where the pros had a gun to their head when signing the contract.
Agreed.....the funny thing is...who's complaining? I guess if they choose, they can NOT shoot the video and stand to make nothing in return.
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And no one "forces" you to show up for work every day (assuming you have a job)...and no one "forces" you to pay your taxes either...etc, etc.
Next time you show up for your job...ask for that raise you think you deserve, if they say "no"....exercise your market force and say "I quit"...your employer would have no choice but to offer them some compensation / raise in exchange for your demands.
After all...you willingly agreed to work for minimum wage, right?
So why have you been involved in such a "reputable" field for decades? The money? Fame? Or is it all the good that the pro bodybuilding "lifestyle" brings to the world.
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So why have you been involved in such a "reputable" field for decades? The money? Fame? Or is it all the good that the pro bodybuilding "lifestyle" brings to the world.
I became aware of BB when I was 12-13 years old...loved it from day one.
I competed as an amateur, then as a pro, have contracts, traveled the world, met many people and have had great opportunities all because of my bodybuilding career...TV, movies, production, directing, and of course...I make a great living doing what I love to do.
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OK... OK... which pro are you, and what BFTO have you been featured on? ;D
hey pollux your avatar had me rolling on the floor man!!!!!!!!
I love it ;D
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I became aware of BB when I was 12-13 years old...loved it from day one.
I competed as an amateur, then as a pro, have contracts, traveled the world, met many people and have had great opportunities all because of my bodybuilding career...TV, movies, production, directing, and of course...I make a great living doing what I love to do.
mmmmmmmmmmmk, Bob. That must be why most parents would not want their children to be in the "sport". Take your Charles Atlas pipe dream and put up the flag pole at bb.com where the highschool sophomores still think your so important.
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The real reason is that the Mr. Olympia contract requires all competing athletes to participate in the BTFO video without compensation. Perhaps Cutler or Coleman is able to negotiate themselves out of that provision, but none of the other guys have the leverage to do so.
No sign contract, no compete in contest.
No compete in contest, no more sponsorship.
No more sponsorship, no more money.
No more money = gay for pay.
;D
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I think the girls actually get a hat &/or T-Shirt.
does anyone think the bodybuilders will get paid to show theyre dingle lings lmao . hope this helps
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By the way, Signing the Mr. Olympia Contract and having to participate in the BFTO Dvd also guarantees each Athlete regardless of where they finish: $4,000.00 down to last place on top of the 100 DVD they get from MOC Productions Free to market, sell, give away whatever so it's actually an $8,000.00 weekend to All Qualified/ Competing Olympia Athletes.
My two cents.
S. Ray
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By the way, Signing the Mr. Olympia Contract and having to participate in the BFTO Dvd also guarantees teach Athlete regardless of where they finish: $4,000.00 down to last place on top of the 100 DVD they get from MOC Productions Free to market, sell, give away whatever so it's actually an $8,000.00 weekend to All Qualified/ Competing Olympia Athletes.
My two cents.
S. Ray
Shawn, I agree that the $4000 payment regardless of one's finish is guaranteed and a good thing, but unloading 100 BTFO DVDs is not exactly a freebie (especially for the lower-placing guys). Whether it's lugging the DVDs to each appearance or selling and shipping them online, it's still a hustle and it involves more than sitting back and cashing a check. Once again, it's getting paid in product, which is always inferior to getting paid straight up. If selling 100 is an easy gig because there's so much demand, then why not just pay them upfront for their time and video rights usage and let Mits collect the money by selling them all?
It's no different than the lower-tier Muscletech guys who used to (or maybe still do) get paid in product. $1000/month in retail product credit sucks far more than $1000/month cash, even with the 1099s.
My three cents.
S. Ed
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I agree but trust me when I say, things are a whole lot better now than even 5 years ago when only the top 10 got paid and even then the guys only got 50 dvd's.
That said, most of the guys can unload the DVD's even the bottom feeders for a price to fans, friends, retail stores and at appearances.
Regardless, would you have it that the guys get nothing except the Guaranteed prize Money for qualifying in the show? Because that is the next option.
They have to appear in the DVD but it is not true that they "Have to get 100 Copies" that is soley out of the generousity of Mits Okabe.
Things that make you go, "HHHmmmmmmmm........." :-*
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Shawn, I agree that the $4000 payment regardless of one's finish is guaranteed and a good thing, but unloading 100 BTFO DVDs is not exactly a freebie (especially for the lower-placing guys). Whether it's lugging the DVDs to each appearance or selling and shipping them online, it's still a hustle and it involves more than sitting back and cashing a check. Once again, it's getting paid in product, which is always inferior to getting paid straight up. If selling 100 is an easy gig because there's so much demand, then why not just pay them upfront for their time and video rights usage and let Mits collect the money by selling them all?
It's no different than the lower-tier Muscletech guys who used to (or maybe still do) get paid in product. $1000/month in retail product credit sucks far more than $1000/month cash, even with the 1099s.
My three cents.
S. Ed
It's no "hustle"...that's what these guys do for a living...I'm sure if we tok a poll, 100% of the guys would rather have the 100 DVD's to potentially make $4,000 rather than a guarantee of let's say $1,000 for participating, as no one would pay 25 guys $4K ea. to shoot this...even at $2k/ ea. it wouldn't be cost effective to pay $50k + production costs etc....
The tier system Muscletech uses isn't for pro's, it's for guys climbing the ladder, amateurs...$1,000 worth of retail product is a fair amount of supps to do with what they wish...every pro on their roster gets paid a monthly check on contract.
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It's no "hustle"...that's what these guys do for a living...I'm sure if we tok a poll, 100% of the guys would rather have the 100 DVD's to potentially make $4,000 rather than a guarantee of let's say $1,000 for participating, as no one would pay 25 guys $4K ea. to shoot this...even at $2k/ ea. it wouldn't be cost effective to pay $50k + production costs etc....
The tier system Muscletech uses isn't for pro's, it's for guys climbing the ladder, amateurs...$1,000 worth of retail product is a fair amount of supps to do with what they wish...every pro on their roster gets paid a monthly check on contract.
2 questions....
Out of pocket or the over head on the 100 DVD's? Seems like pennies on the dollar to me.
$1000 SUPPS.......is that cost or suggested retail? :-\
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Wow a whole 4 k? Just about enough to pay for the anti-e's and diuretics for their pre-contest cycle.
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Wow a whole 4 k? Just about enough to pay for the anti-e's and diuretics for their pre-contest cycle.
Makes me wanna be a pro bber!
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2 questions....
Out of pocket or the over head on the 100 DVD's? Seems like pennies on the dollar to me.
$1000 SUPPS.......is that cost or suggested retail? :-\
Not sure I understand what you're asking...there is nothing "out of pocket" to the guys, they are GIVEN 100 DVD's...free, as in "no cost to them"...they can sell them and make $4,000...give them away...whatever they wish.
Not sure on the MT tier system if it's retail, wholesale, or anywhere in between....
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It's no "hustle"...that's what these guys do for a living...I'm sure if we tok a poll, 100% of the guys would rather have the 100 DVD's to potentially make $4,000 rather than a guarantee of let's say $1,000 for participating, as no one would pay 25 guys $4K ea. to shoot this...even at $2k/ ea. it wouldn't be cost effective to pay $50k + production costs etc....
I agree with your comment about cost-effectiveness, but perhaps giving the BTFO participants the OPTION of taking $1000 or $1500 in lieu of the 100 DVDs would be more fair than assuming everyone would prefer to sell them on their own. If, in fact, your assumption is correct that 100% of the guys would take the DVDs, there would be no difference in the bottom line for Mits or the participants, but at least they would have that choice. I think that would be a fair compromise in the best interests of your constituency.
What sayeth thou?
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I agree with your comment about cost-effectiveness, but perhaps giving the BTFO participants the OPTION of taking $1000 or $1500 in lieu of the 100 DVDs would be more fair than assuming everyone would prefer to sell them on their own. If, in fact, your assumption is correct that 100% of the guys would take the DVDs, there would be no difference in the bottom line for Mits or the participants, but at least they would have that choice. I think that would be a fair compromise in the best interests of your constituency.
What sayeth thou?
Well, I'l tell you what Ed...when I get ONE complaint from ONE guy in the Olympia, I'll consider that option...until then...all I see is a bunch of guys on an internet board bitching as if THEY have some vested ineterest in it.
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Well, I'l tell you what Ed...when I get ONE complaint from ONE guy in the Olympia, I'll consider that option...until then...all I see is a bunch of guys on an internet board bitching as if THEY have some vested interest in it.
Fair enough...although your use of the term 'bitching' is more appropriately used when the party has some stake in the matter. For us non-interested parties, I prefer the terms 'constructive suggestions' or 'shit-stirring'.
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I think these guys need to hire agents.
Wrong,
If they work for peanuts,imagine what would it be left to them if they have to pay an agent, I mean if you're talking about a real agent.
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did you know that the girls in the "girls gone wild" dvd series are not paid. The girls will show their tits and ass just be seen on tv/dvd and the potential attention that it might bring. Although no one really cares or can remember their faces.
I hope that my comments helps to answer your question
Case closed.
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Why keep rippin' on the pro's -can't be all that bad -otherwise they wouldn't do what they do.
there are worse deals in life for sure.
There are so many who downplay $4k when they likely haven't ever had 4k to their names.
Especially the ones who live in their parents basement & collect unemployment checks !
Too many suspects to list who fit that catagory here ;D
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Why keep rippin' on the pro's -can't be all that bad -otherwise they wouldn't do what they do.
there are worse deals in life for sure.
There are so many who downplay $4k when they likely haven't ever had 4k to their names.
Especially the ones who live in their parents basement & collect unemployment checks !
Too many suspects to list who fit that catagory here ;D
Thats Bull. We have Vice Presidents on this board who constantly go to war with every member who thinks they are a joke. We have some serious shot callers here!!!
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Yes agreed some are serious-MOST aren't
The biggest laugh about this board is the people who continually tell the pro's how "they" should be.
The pro's aren't as bad off as most believe-those who aren't happy have acted -good for them.
Nice thing about America is EVERYBODY has choices !
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These guys dont sell the DVD's all at one appearance.
I know when I competed it took me awhile and several appearances to get the DVD's out there but trust me when I say, I SOLD ALL OF THEM!
Each appearance I had about 20 with me and when the sold, I was happy I participated in the BFTO and the fans were grateful I brought them with me on my appearances.
Like Chick said, when the BBers complain, this would be something to debate. Sadly, it has not been a problem for the athletes and actually a benefit to them.
Can we turn the page now............. ::)
The guys are a lot better off now than in years past. 8)
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These guys dont sell the DVD's all at one appearance.
I know when I competed it took me awhile and several appearances to get the DVD's out there but trust me when I say, I SOLD ALL OF THEM!
Each appearance I had about 20 with me and when the sold, I was happy I participated in the BFTO and the fans were grateful I brought them with me on my appearances.
Like Chick said, when the BBers complain, this would be something to debate. Sadly, it has not been a problem for the athletes and actually a benefit to them.
Can we turn the page now............. ::)
The guys are a lot better off now than in years past. 8)
So it took you a while to get them sold out.....
Money income and term are relative. If not, there isnt the interest in bank business.
I keep on saying;Royalty and minimum guarentee shoud be paid with money. Not product..
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marketing a bodybuilder is not a easy task. There are limted ways for an athlete to make revenue. If a Athlete wants to make a video him self then he must pay for it. That cost thousands of dollars. However When doing the Battle for O - you recieve compensation. You may not agree but it is compensation.
$4000.00- in the pocket is better than paying $4000.00 for some start bodybuilder video.
Either support or do not support however quit the whining unless you have a financial plan on how YOU are going to compensate the athletes.
Hi Ben!
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These guys dont sell the DVD's all at one appearance.
I know when I competed it took me awhile and several appearances to get the DVD's out there but trust me when I say, I SOLD ALL OF THEM!
Each appearance I had about 20 with me and when the sold, I was happy I participated in the BFTO and the fans were grateful I brought them with me on my appearances.
Like Chick said, when the BBers complain, this would be something to debate. Sadly, it has not been a problem for the athletes and actually a benefit to them.
Can we turn the page now............. ::)
The guys are a lot better off now than in years past. 8)
And that's good - more money is being generated in the industry and more is trickling down to the bodybuilders that create it. Any pro bodybuilder can make a living in bodybuilding if they are smart and apply themselves properly. Too bad for those who don't, but that is their responsibility. :-\ Your DVD review is coming soon. ;D