Author Topic: Battle for the Olympia compensation (Read 6885 times)

gymguy · « **on:** March 25, 2007, 08:41:58 AM »

Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:46:22 AM »

did you know that the girls in the "girls gone wild" dvd series are not paid. The girls will show their tits and ass just be seen on tv/dvd and the potential attention that it might bring. Although no one really cares or can remember their faces.

I hope that my comments helps to answer your question

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:51:02 AM »

I think it's part of the whole Olympia "package", in terms of figuring P&L. If athletes were cut into the DVD sales, prize money would have to come down to compensate. The promoters choose to put 100% of the athlete's "share" of the Olympia profits into prize money, since higher prize money amounts look more impressive to the fans.

Rimbaud · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:55:28 AM »

Quote from: SteelePegasus on March 25, 2007, 08:46:22 AM

did you know that the girls in the "girls gone wild" dvd series are not paid. The girls will show their tits and ass just be seen on tv/dvd and the potential attention that it might bring. Although no one really cares or can remember their faces.

I hope that my comments helps to answer your question

I think the girls actually get a hat &/or T-Shirt.

Pollux · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2007, 09:01:06 AM »

Quote from: gymguy on March 25, 2007, 08:41:58 AM

Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.

OK... OK... which pro are you, and what BFTO have you been featured on?

Special Ed · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:44:10 AM »

Quote from: gymguy on March 25, 2007, 08:41:58 AM

Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.

The real reason is that the Mr. Olympia contract requires all competing athletes to participate in the BTFO video without compensation. Perhaps Cutler or Coleman is able to negotiate themselves out of that provision, but none of the other guys have the leverage to do so.

No sign contract, no compete in contest.
No compete in contest, no more sponsorship.
No more sponsorship, no more money.
No more money = gay for pay.

Hope that helps.

Special "Breakdown" Ed

Chick · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:30:43 AM »

Quote from: gymguy on March 25, 2007, 08:41:58 AM

Why is it that none of the athletes are paid for their roles in the Battle for the Olympia DVD's? The producer gets to keep all the money that is made off the sales. After all it's the pros who make the video worth buying. I think these guys need to hire agents.

Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.

BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.

kyomu · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:36:16 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 25, 2007, 11:30:43 AM

Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.

BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.

Thats good way to cheat stupid BBers.
I was in Video sales buisiness too. The MINIMUM GUARENTEE should be paid by money. Not DVD.
100dvd? Maybe it costs 3$X100=300$
Nobody do that in real business.
What a joke.....

gordiano · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:40:26 AM »

Quote from: Rimbaud on March 25, 2007, 08:55:28 AM

I think the girls actually get a hat &/or T-Shirt.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The "olympians" get a weekend visit to the Weedas Neverland ranch........

sgt. d · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:50:38 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on March 25, 2007, 11:47:23 AM

Exactly. As I've said many times, if pros continue to work for peanuts, they will continue to get paid peanuts. Hope this helps.

There is no such thing as "force" in economic terms Bob, not even when Wayne was in town. No one ever "forced" these pros to film a DVD by way of cattleprod. They were given a package of costs and benefits that came along with competing at the Mr. Olympia and being in the BFTO was a part of the package. They WILLINGLY signed their contract - no coercion, period. If the pros didn't like the terms, they should never have signed. If all pros decided to exercise their market force and say no, the IFBB would have no choice but to offer them some compensation in exchange for participation.

In life we get our market value.

kyomu · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:53:06 AM »

Quote from: kyomu on March 25, 2007, 11:36:16 AM

Thats good way to cheat stupid BBers.
I was in Video sales buisiness too. The MINIMUM GUARENTEE should be paid by money. Not DVD.
100dvd? Maybe it costs 3$X100=300$
Nobody do that in real business.
What a joke.....

Normaly, the minimum guarantee should been decided based on the % of retail price X the units assumed to be sold within 1-2years.

Debussey · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:53:17 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on March 25, 2007, 11:47:23 AM

In life we get our market value.

Have you been reading more self improvement material Max?

Chick · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:55:52 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on March 25, 2007, 11:47:23 AM

Exactly. As I've said many times, if pros continue to work for peanuts, they will continue to get paid peanuts. Hope this helps.

There is no such thing as "force" in economic terms Bob, not even when Wayne was in town. No one ever "forced" these pros to film a DVD by way of cattleprod. They were given a package of costs and benefits that came along with competing at the Mr. Olympia and being in the BFTO was a part of the package. They WILLINGLY signed their contract - no coercion, period. If the pros didn't like the terms, they should never have signed. If all pros decided to exercise their market force and say no, the IFBB would have no choice but to offer them some compensation in exchange for participation.

In life we get our market value.

And no one "forces" you to show up for work every day (assuming you have a job)...and no one "forces" you to pay your taxes either...etc, etc.

Next time you show up for your job...ask for that raise you think you deserve, if they say "no"....exercise your market force and say "I quit"...your employer would have no choice but to offer them some compensation / raise in exchange for your demands.

After all...you willingly agreed to work for minimum wage, right?

evolutnbatista · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:31:23 PM »

Quote from: Chick on March 25, 2007, 11:30:43 AM

Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.

BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.

chick is the man! and a daddy too

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:00:47 PM »

Quote from: Chick on March 25, 2007, 11:30:43 AM

Actually, all the guys are supplied with a minimum of 100 DVD's for their own use. They can give them away, sell them (which most opt to do)...and keep whatever profits they make. I know guys that have sold all of them, and been given more at no cost...At $40/ ea. they stand to make up to $4,000.

BTW...No one has been forced to participate since Wayne left town, they can choose not to do it if they wish.

Chick..a quick search of Ebay says the going rate is $7 (tops)

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=battle+for+the+olympia&category0=&submitSearch=Search

$4,000? is that the same as MSRP?

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:05:07 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on March 25, 2007, 05:02:33 PM

Seven dollars is the cost of shipping.

I stand corrected..there are many BFTO up for bidding..but only one has an actual offer

http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPIA-BROWN-THE-BATTLE-FOR-EQUALITY-DJ-1st-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ260100796220QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Current bid: US $3.95

delta9mda · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:47:10 PM »

ronnie had wads of 20$ in his hand at the nationals and if i remember correctly he was selling his dvd's and btfo. got pics of his gh hands hold $$$

gordiano · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:51:11 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on March 25, 2007, 11:47:23 AM

If the pros didn't like the terms, they should never have signed. If all pros decided to exercise their market force and say no, the IFBB would have no choice but to offer them some compensation in exchange for participation.

In life we get our market value.

Well, for that to happen, the "pros" would need brains. $:-\$

gordiano · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:55:30 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on March 25, 2007, 05:52:53 PM

gordiano,

Are you saying it will never happen? $:-\$

I'm saying that the majority of the bbing pros make Jessica Simpson look like Einstein.......

Yes, it will not happen. If they haven't figured it out by now, they NEVER will.

adipo8 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 26, 2007, 06:58:00 AM »

marketing a bodybuilder is not a easy task. There are limted ways for an athlete to make revenue. If a Athlete wants to make a video him self then he must pay for it. That cost thousands of dollars. However When doing the Battle for O - you recieve compensation. You may not agree but it is compensation.

$4000.00- in the pocket is better than paying $4000.00 for some start bodybuilder video.

Either support or do not support however quit the whining unless you have a financial plan on how YOU are going to compensate the athletes.

Bluto · « **Reply #20 on:** March 26, 2007, 07:05:14 AM »

very hard work to have mits show up at the gym filming you while you're training (which you would be doing anyway)

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #21 on:** March 27, 2007, 01:53:52 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on March 26, 2007, 07:05:14 AM

very hard work to have mits show up at the gym filming you while you're training (which you would be doing anyway)

lol....are you kidding..this takes lots of prep work!!

"mits, make sure that you get me coming out of my car carrying the extra large gym that I never use while traininng"

"and oh yeah....tell me when you are filming at my house...I need to make sure that mommy is not at home"

Chick · « **Reply #22 on:** March 27, 2007, 05:35:56 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on March 27, 2007, 01:49:38 PM

The contract to compete in the Mr. Olympia includes being in the Battle for the Olympia, correct?

So if a pro signs the contract, that means they feel they are in an overall better position to do so even with that stipulation, correct?

Someone explain to me the part where the pros had a gun to their head when signing the contract.

Agreed.....the funny thing is...who's complaining? I guess if they choose, they can NOT shoot the video and stand to make nothing in return.

dirk digler · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2007, 10:49:04 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 25, 2007, 11:55:52 AM

And no one "forces" you to show up for work every day (assuming you have a job)...and no one "forces" you to pay your taxes either...etc, etc.

Next time you show up for your job...ask for that raise you think you deserve, if they say "no"....exercise your market force and say "I quit"...your employer would have no choice but to offer them some compensation / raise in exchange for your demands.

After all...you willingly agreed to work for minimum wage, right?

So why have you been involved in such a "reputable" field for decades? The money? Fame? Or is it all the good that the pro bodybuilding "lifestyle" brings to the world.

Chick · « **Reply #24 on:** March 29, 2007, 04:46:02 PM »

Quote from: dirk digler on March 29, 2007, 10:49:04 AM

So why have you been involved in such a "reputable" field for decades? The money? Fame? Or is it all the good that the pro bodybuilding "lifestyle" brings to the world.

I became aware of BB when I was 12-13 years old...loved it from day one.

I competed as an amateur, then as a pro, have contracts, traveled the world, met many people and have had great opportunities all because of my bodybuilding career...TV, movies, production, directing, and of course...I make a great living doing what I love to do.