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i was looking through some old copies of MD last night and he bases his diets on Scott Connelly's theories of "nutrient partitioning", he claims that you can eat unlimited calories as long as they come from protein and fats and no carbs, what do you think?
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This morning for breakfast I had a handful of lean ground turkey w/ 3 whole eggs scrambled and 6 Omega 3&6 caps...
Then I'll have...
2-3 scoops of IsoPure in 20oz of water with 2 tablespoons of natural almond butter
2 chicken breasts cooke din extra virgin olive oil w/ handful of Omega/fish caps...
Turkey tenderloins w/ cup of mixed almonds, macadamias...
Post workout 3 scoops of Isopure w/ 2 tablespoons of natural peanutbutter
Tilapia patties w/ greenbeans and 4 Omega caps and table spoon of flax oil.
I hardly do cardio and my abs are comming in deep.
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This morning for breakfast I had a handful of lean ground turkey w/ 3 whole eggs scrambled and 6 Omega 3&6 caps...
Then I'll have...
2-3 scoops of IsoPure in 20oz of water with 2 tablespoons of natural almond butter
2 chicken breasts cooke din extra virgin olive oil w/ handful of Omega/fish caps...
Turkey tenderloins w/ cup of mixed almonds, macadamias...
Post workout 3 scoops of Isopure w/ 2 tablespoons of natural peanutbutter
Tilapia patties w/ greenbeans and 4 Omega caps and table spoon of flax oil.
I hardly do cardio and my abs are comming in deep.
your energy doesn't suffer with no carbs?
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For the first week to 10 days it got to me as I felt lethargic and physically weaker in the gym...
Then you adapt. Now I am not AS strong but I don't care because my interest is fat loss or getting in a ketogenic stae where the body taps into stored fat for fuel instead of glucose(carbs).
I never get 'mid-afternoon slumps' and I am hardly ever really hungry. I have to remember to eat and remind myself to. Probably from stabalized bloodsugar and dormant insulin levels.
Testosterone and gh/igf levels are usually peaked because of this diet. I look fuller than normal and like I said...cardio at 30 minutes in the morning 3x's a week and steadily losing fat is a good thing.
I find myself NOT craving carbs and find myself craving peanutbutter or almond butter w/ my shakes. It kind of clogs me so I usually have a teaspoon of natural coconut oil before I go to bed so I'll be sure to 'drop it like its hot' in the morning while I'm text messaging people or flipping through MD.
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i was looking through some old copies of MD last night and he bases his diets on Scott Connelly's theories of "nutrient partitioning", he claims that you can eat unlimited calories as long as they come from protein and fats and no carbs, what do you think?
I dunno if he claims that.
But I'd like anyone who believe such a thing to drink two gallons of lard everyday for two weeks, add 300 grams of protein, and then lets see if they're still the same weight.
-Hedge
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I dunno if he claims that.
But I'd like anyone who believe such a thing to drink two gallons of lard everyday for two weeks, add 300 grams of protein, and then lets see if they're still the same weight.
-Hedge
that was what it said word for word in the back issue of MD that i read Zack.
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i was looking through some old copies of MD last night and he bases his diets on Scott Connelly's theories of "nutrient partitioning", he claims that you can eat unlimited calories as long as they come from protein and fats and no carbs, what do you think?
ketogenic diets do work...there are more than enough peer reviewed journals and research proving they work
basically you can eat unlimited protein and fats (of course no human will be able to eat much anyways with this diet)
one bad side effect is your breath will smell like ass, you have to chew gum every waking hour
serious question here, why dont you try the adonis diet?
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one bad side effect is your breath will smell like ass, you have to chew gum every waking hour
And your bowels may not enjoy the experience either. :-X
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that was what it said word for word in the back issue of MD that i read Zack.
Do you think it would work though??? If you are taking in more calories than you are burning wouldnt you still be gaining weight??
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Not saturated fats but fats from the right sources and even with that you have to keep it about...for a guy 200lbs at 12-15% bf around 15-18g of fat per meal w/ 50g of protein per meal at exactly 6 meals.
One thing though...when in ketosis you tend to get really bad breath. i chew gum all day long. You kind of have a...drymouth beer breath type of smell to it. You can 'taste' alcohol in your breath. It's weird. Keotones I reckon.
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Do you think it would work though??? If you are taking in more calories than you are burning wouldnt you still be gaining weight??
that's what i would think.
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I think you still have to be on a calorie deficit on this diet. I don't think you can eat as much as you want.
The weight loss and cuts you are seeing are just a loss of water weight.
However its a great diet if you want to be really lean. Probably the best out there
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ketogenic diets do work...there are more than enough peer reviewed journals and research proving they work
basically you can eat unlimited protein and fats (of course no human will be able to eat much anyways with this diet)
one bad side effect is your breath will smell like ass, you have to chew gum every waking hour
serious question here, why dont you try the adonis diet?
Hahahaha...beat me to it.
You should take a fiber capsule or metamucil with it. I use natural coconut oil at night.
Your shit...looks like toothpast at the bottom of the bowl. It's weird. Too much info I know but just an observation.
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ketogenic diets do work...there are more than enough peer reviewed journals and research proving they work
basically you can eat unlimited protein and fats (of course no human will be able to eat much anyways with this diet)
one bad side effect is your breath will smell like ass, you have to chew gum every waking hour
serious question here, why dont you try the adonis diet?
True dat, my breath was smelling like shit. Ya know you usually can't realize you have bad breath by yourself, usually someone tells you. But when you know you have bad breath without anyone telling you, you know its bad. You can't be macking on hoes with breath like that. ;)
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Do you think it would work though??? If you are taking in more calories than you are burning wouldnt you still be gaining weight??
Lets sort some things out here.
There are three caloric states: Hypo (undereating), iso (eating your daily exp) and hyper (overeating).
You can eat a ketogenic diet in all three cases, gain, maintain and lose weight.
Obviously.
But the idea of a ketogenic diet, is that there will be no carbs in the body, and thus, the body will use fat as a source of energy, ketones.
A ketogenic diet is very effective in burning away at the fats.
Problem is that you perform very poorly in a ketogenic state.
Enter: Cyklo-ketogenic Diets, such as Bodyopus and UD 2.0
-Hedge
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Lets sort some things out here.
There are three caloric states: Hypo (undereating), iso (eating your daily exp) and hyper (overeating).
You can eat a ketogenic diet in all three cases, gain, maintain and lose weight.
Obviously.
But the idea of a ketogenic diet, is that there will be no carbs in the body, and thus, the body will use fat as a source of energy, ketones.
A ketogenic diet is very effective in burning away at the fats.
Problem is that you perform very poorly in a ketogenic state.
Enter: Cyklo-ketogenic Diets, such as Bodyopus and UD 2.0
-Hedge
I am aware of ketogenic diets and have been in the the most extreme state of keto acidosus...... when I was diagnosed with diabetes..... I think body opus and diets like that are a better solution and healthier imo
and thanks for clarifying hedge
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i was looking through some old copies of MD last night and he bases his diets on Scott Connelly's theories of "nutrient partitioning", he claims that you can eat unlimited calories as long as they come from protein and fats and no carbs, what do you think?
Scott Connelly is a protein Schill and you trust his dietary advice?
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Scott Connelly is a protein Schill and you trust his dietary advice?
easy "big fella" i was just asking opinions, i like to eat a few carbs in my diet, not many but some.
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I've been using the below diet for about 2 weeks and have lost a nice amount of fat and still stayed hard. This is the diet posted in the other Palumbo diet thread. This is unlike other low carb diets I've done in the past, where I have become flat as a pancake and had a hard time choking down all the food. I never feel hungry, nor do I have severe cravings. I think the peanut butter is perfect, because it allows me to eat something that I love. It's almost like a mini cheat meal every day.
I have been steadily cutting even with fairly little cardio. The low cardio is not by choice, but due to time constraints. I have been working out with weights about 4 times a week. If I was able to up my cardio, I would lose even more fat.
I have always thought Palumbo knew his shit, and this diet is proving it to me.
Meal 1 6 whole Omega-3 eggs
Meal 2 8oz chicken with 1/2 cup raw almonds
Meal 3 50g whey with 2 tablespoons all natural peanutbutter
Meal 4 8oz salmon with 1 cup asparagus with 1 tablespoon macadamia nut oil
Meal 5 50 g whey with 2 tablespoon PB
Meal 6 6 whole eggs
I have been eating a lot of fish on this diet, and replace the above chicken with more fish or red meat. Chicken is my least favorite meat, only because I've eaten so much of it over the years. I am truly tired of chicken, but I do still eat it every once and a while.
Lastly, I 100% agree with the fact that if you eliminate your carbs, you can eat as much as you want. I have proven this with my own body over and over. In past diets, when I wanted to cut as quickly as possible, I would eat just chicken breasts all day long, some of them with veggies. I found the more I could stuff down, the faster I would lose fat. My body's metabolism would ramp way up, and I would just sit and sweat, losing a ton of fat, all while sitting in an air conditioned office. Now while this sounds easy, it is about the hardest thing you can do. Eating a full size chicken brest every 1.5 to 3 hours is brutal, and after just a couple, you will quickly become sick of eating. I used to have to have a big glass of water handy so I could quickly chew and wash it down, sometimes gagging. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
People who "fail" on low carb diets like Atkins simply don't eat enough and allow their metabolisms to slow back down. This also causes serious lethargy and poor workouts. If you eat enough, you will feel fine, and have decent workouts. Not as good as a workouts on carbs, but still good enough. After 2 weeks on the above diet, my strength has returned to the state is was before the diet, but at first, I did suffer from some really shitty workouts.
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I just finished some lean red meat w/ some Omega caps and 1 teaspoon of peanutbutter.
Main thing is...50g of protein per meal, 12-18g of fat per meal and ONLy carbs should come from fiberous leafy greens.
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Do you guys use supplements to get cut?
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For bodybuilders, I would say ketogenic diets are simply not the way to go...for most people they do not work as most NEED carbs for mental and physical well-being.....
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i was looking through some old copies of MD last night and he bases his diets on Scott Connelly's theories of "nutrient partitioning", he claims that you can eat unlimited calories as long as they come from protein and fats and no carbs, what do you think?
I agree. although I would still incorporate veggies and salads in the mix.
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Main thing is...50g of protein per meal, 12-18g of fat per meal and ONLy carbs should come from fiberous leafy greens.
I couldn't agree more. There is a world of difference between the carbs found in leafy greens, and most other carbs. You add bread, rice, or any sugar to the above diet and it will make you fat.
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I'd love to toss her salad and put some veggies into her tiny pert.
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I'd love to toss her salad and put some veggies into her tiny pert.
Toss who's salad? Palumbo's? Does he know about this?
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No in her salad.
I'd love to slide in that fucking whore.
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i was looking through some old copies of MD last night and he bases his diets on Scott Connelly's theories of "nutrient partitioning", he claims that you can eat unlimited calories as long as they come from protein and fats and no carbs, what do you think?
Thats just fucking stupid and makes zero sense.
You know better than that.
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I've read a couple of Scott Connelly's books and his theory of nutrient partitioning does not eliminate carbs. It reduces or eliminates bad carbs, like white rice and potatoes. Scott Connelly is also against Fructose in the form of juice and especially in the form of high fructose corn syrup.
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hey guys, I have been on the palumbo diet too for the last 3 weeks or so and it is awesome, getting steadily leaner without doing any cardio and training the Milos way.
some days I feel flat as shit tho :-\
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hey guys, I have been on the palumbo diet too for the last 3 weeks or so and it is awesome, getting steadily leaner without doing any cardio and training the Milos way.
some days I feel flat as shit tho :-\
Then after those "flat" fase,did you get full again automaticaly?
Or you need to eat carbs. How it goes?
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And what about the carbs in your peanut butter and various nuts?
Glad you're here Sean. I voted for you as one of the most respected 'gurus' on this board.
The carbs found in natural peanutbutter is about 6grams per serving. Those are fine is just ADDING any more is where the problem is.
With the sample diet I listed...one is probably getting about 40-50g of carbs daily which is very adequate to power you through a workout.
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And what about the carbs in your peanut butter and various nuts?
These people are really stupid. Eliminating a Macro Nutrient is really a poor thing to do.
They don`t realize that they could accomplish a better result by eating ALL MacroNutrients but eating the same amount of calories.
Idiots.
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Also, being more familiar with the diet by DiPasquale, where you have 1-2 carb up days every 5 days, how does the carb up work on this diet? I remember hearing something about a "baseline" meal, or something to that effect..
IT doesn`t work. There is ZERO Scientific Evidence in ANY peer-reviewed journal for this "carb-up diet".
Carbing up is for endurance athletes such as marathon runners, swimmers. Bodybuilders are not much different than a sedentary individual as far as nutrition needs are concerned. This has proven many times with the testing of ELITE bodybuilders in several different peer reviewed studies.
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Thanks for the kind sentiment. DiPasquale requires that you stay at no more than 30 grams of carbs daily with his Anabolic Diet.
What an ignorant and unscientific approach.
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SF, Ask FlexingtonSteele, he's shredding like a veiny cock on that dieting approach..
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Come on, Adam. I've never disputed any of your posts, I just let you state your points. Whatever works for you, great. You can't argue with it if it worked for you. I've had experience with several diet schemes, all of which have worked to one degree or another. Let me, Block, and whomever discuss this approach freely without the dispute. :)
You have to realize WHY they work.
Its very simple. Lowered caloric amounts. That is all. You people are reaching for some sort of wonder diet. Its hillarious.
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Come on, Adam. I've never disputed any of your posts, I just let you state your points. Whatever works for you, great. You can't argue with it if it worked for you. I've had experience with several diet schemes, all of which have worked to one degree or another. Let me, Block, and whomever discuss this approach freely without the dispute. :)
DiPasquale has definitely brought some attention to the need of eating healthy fats, and how a diet can be cycled.
-Hedge
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Come on, Adam. I've never disputed any of your posts, I just let you state your points. Whatever works for you, great. You can't argue with it if it worked for you. I've had experience with several diet schemes, all of which have worked to one degree or another. Let me, Block, and whomever discuss this approach freely without the dispute. :)
come on don't you know Adonis is the best built natural man on the planet and his knowleadge about nutrition is second to none ::)
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come on don't you know Adonis is the best built natural man on the planet and his knowleadge about nutrition is second to none ::)
It really opened my eyes when Abeles stated that the barbell doesn't move up and down in a benchpress.
After that... well.
Your calves aren`t supporting the weight as much as your abdominal region,hips, lower back are.
Hamstrings is good for a few inches. Also, your balance will totally change. It is NOT a vertical movement as your upper body is not stationary. You will see a huge difference.
-Hedge
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It really opened my eyes when Abeles stated that the barbell doesn't move up and down in a benchpress.
After that... well.
-Hedge
You failed at comprehension.
First off I was speaking of squats. Second, a bench press is not done on a vertical plane at all. More of a "J-motion". Your joints don`t allow for vertical perfection. It is an impossibility.
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It really opened my eyes when Abeles stated that the barbell doesn't move up and down in a benchpress.
After that... well.
-Hedge
Are you really THAT STUPID that you cannot see that Squats were being described?
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You failed at comprehension.
First off I was speaking of squats. Second, a bench press is not done on a vertical plane at all. More of a "J-motion". Your joints don`t allow for vertical perfection. It is an impossibility.
I apologize.
Of course it is the squat you claim isn't a vertical movement. 8)
-Hedge
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Thats just fucking stupid and makes zero sense.
You know better than that.
stfu and sit down , the adults are talking
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stfu and sit down , the adults are talking
Then why would you be talking? ;D
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Daves version of low carbs kicks ass. The fat will counter act the lethargy that comes with low carbs. Dave and GH15 both advocate the low carb diets. My only ? is the stimulants. Dave is strongly against them and GH15 is all about ephedrine. So which is it? --Block?
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stfu and sit down , the adults are talking
you look like shit you might not like adonis but he looks 1000000 times better than you
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Monday will be the beginning of my fourth week on the diet. I am actually stronger in the gym than I ever have been (which is unbelievably suprising). Only thing is I look super flat at time :-\ which isnt the greatest look.
But my abs are starting to come through, and my waist has gone down damn near an inch, I think it was bloat from all the water I was retaining eating all the carbs that I did before.
I'm down about 5lbs in 3 weeks, but I believe some of that is the initial water weight that I lost. Im going to do it for 8 weeks see where I'm at then continue is my abs arent deeply etched! The only reason I will go for only 8 weeks is I know that a super low carb diet can reak havoc on your endocrine system.
The cool thing is im not counting calories, just making sure I get my six meals in, which isnt tough because U can mix them up however u want which makes it fun.
Alex are u still low carbing it???
SF, Ask FlexingtonSteele, he's shredding like a veiny cock on that dieting approach..
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Monday will be the beginning of my fourth week on the diet. I am actually stronger in the gym than I ever have been (which is unbelievably suprising). Only thing is I look super flat at time :-\ which isnt the greatest look.
But my abs are starting to come through, and my waist has gone down damn near an inch, I think it was bloat from all the water I was retaining eating all the carbs that I did before.
I'm down about 5lbs in 3 weeks, but I believe some of that is the initial water weight that I lost. Im going to do it for 8 weeks see where I'm at then continue is my abs arent deeply etched! The only reason I will go for only 8 weeks is I know that a super low carb diet can reak havoc on your endocrine system.
The cool thing is im not counting calories, just making sure I get my six meals in, which isnt tough because U can mix them up however u want which makes it fun.
Alex are u still low carbing it???
Yup... 4 days cycles and I'm seeing result like I wouldn't beleive it. First week was rough but I'm doing great now. No crash, no rushes at all.
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I'm not really doing anyones diet, but I cut out the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and switched from tbone steak to ck breast and fish and lost 7 pds of fat last week. 20min cardio at 3am and 3pm hittin the weights.
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I am on this diet, and actually this morning for my first two meals i ate 3 lbs of steak... Is that too much protein to consume in two meals... I usually get about 6 meals in at about 14 ounces of chicken for each meal... but today i just felt like eating steak... I would also like to add that its my 4-5 day on this diet and my energy levels are just fine, i am neither weak or tired... I just take a nap before i hit the gym... Also i do cardio 5-6 times a week
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Daves diet is working really well for me too. Exactly as Bockhead described. I had 2 shitty workouts then I was full steam ahead and as strong as ever, no real craving, tiredness or mood swings. It is brilliant and I will use it all the way to the comp in October to get shredded. I weigh 240lb and have 315g Pro, 145g Essential fats and I aim for zero carbs which means 40 - 50 sneak in when you have nuts. When you aim for zero you you do let some creep in but this is OK, as long as there are no additional or intentional carbs. I love it and will never diet another way again.
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Daves version of low carbs kicks ass. The fat will counter act the lethargy that comes with low carbs. Dave and GH15 both advocate the low carb diets. My only ? is the stimulants. Dave is strongly against them and GH15 is all about ephedrine. So which is it? --Block?
Dave also pushes his 'non-stimulant' fatburners from his own SPECIES line of supplements so that's another reason why he is so anti-stimulant fat-burners.
He makes a point but the real point should be to NOT use them so often. I like to tell people if they are using ECA to use it before morning cardio and again 4-5 hours later only 5 days a week. 2 full days of NO ECA or anykind of stimulants like that. I also advise people to avoid all excess caffiene(coffee diet pop etc...) while using them.
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I am on this diet, and actually this morning for my first two meals i ate 3 lbs of steak... Is that too much protein to consume in two meals... I usually get about 6 meals in at about 14 ounces of chicken for each meal... but today i just felt like eating steak... I would also like to add that its my 4-5 day on this diet and my energy levels are just fine, i am neither weak or tired... I just take a nap before i hit the gym... Also i do cardio 5-6 times a week
I think 3lbs of steak is excessive. 3lbs of fish, different story.
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I think 3lbs of steak is excessive. 3lbs of fish, different story.
I agree with u, but today was one of those days, it was my leg day at the gym so i was like what the hell... let me put some food in me- in steak is the best tasting food... PERIOD i love it
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I'm not really doing anyones diet, but I cut out the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and switched from tbone steak to ck breast and fish and lost 7 pds of fat last week. 20min cardio at 3am and 3pm hittin the weights.
Well, there is no way all 7lbs of your weightloss is bodyfat. My guess is that over 90% of it was water.
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Daves diet is working really well for me too. Exactly as Bockhead described. I had 2 shitty workouts then I was full steam ahead and as strong as ever, no real craving, tiredness or mood swings. It is brilliant and I will use it all the way to the comp in October to get shredded. I weigh 240lb and have 315g Pro, 145g Essential fats and I aim for zero carbs which means 40 - 50 sneak in when you have nuts. When you aim for zero you you do let some creep in but this is OK, as long as there are no additional or intentional carbs. I love it and will never diet another way again.
I love you Elvin, but that is a horrible diet! :)
It will work, but there is no reason to limit your food choices. Just get the same amount of calories and eat whatever you want.
Try it and you will be amazed.
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The main difference between the ""Adonis principles " and a conventional bodybuilding diet is that ,the purpose of the "Adonis Principles " is to lose weight ,spend more calories than you eat and you will lose weight, no matters what you eat, and I agree w / Adonis, is too easy ,this really works ,, now bodybuilders don't want to lose weight, they want to lose just fat, with minimun weight lost, one of Adonis discipules (tweeter) was proud because he lost 19 pounds in a month ,if I lose that much in a month I would assume something was seriously wrong w/my diet. discuss
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i tried that unlimited amount of proteins, lots of fat, and no carbs diet... i would get cut really quick without losing much mass.. but then around the 4th or 5th week i start to go flat and theres nothing i can do. i guess if i was already in good shape and only a month out from a contest, i'd use it. but for a guy who maintains his physique year round this is not a good way to do it.
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sweet man, I think what Im going to do is have 2 "carb days a week" one mod and one high, then the other 5 days low carb, Ill sneak those 2 days in with a lil space in between. I look and feel much better after my carb up day on this diet, so I think 2 days will be good. Just enough to keep my muscles full.
But this may be the best ive ever looked, so im excited. 2008 here we come!
Yup... 4 days cycles and I'm seeing result like I wouldn't beleive it. First week was rough but I'm doing great now. No crash, no rushes at all.