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Discuss.
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I take it you don't like Wal-Mart? :)
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exactly... Hit it on the head.
Even Hicks agree :P
I remember walk'in round the court square sidewalk
Lookin' in windows at things I couldn't want
There's johnson's hardware and morgans jewelry
And the ol' Lee king's apothecary
They ware the little man
The little man
I go back now and the stores are all empty
Except for an old coke sign from 1950
Boarded up like they never existed
Or renovated and called historic districts
There goes the little man
There goes the little man
[Chorus:]
Now the court square's just a set of streets
That the people go round but they seldom think
Bout the little man that built this town
Before the big money shut em down
And killed the little man
Oh the little man
He pumped your gas and he cleaned your glass
And one cold rainy night he fixed your flat
The new stores came where you do it yourself
You buy a lotto ticket and food off the shelf
Forget about the little man
Forget about that little man
He hung on there for a few more years
But he couldn't sell slurpees
And he wouldn't sell beer
Now the bank rents the station
To a down the road
And sell velvet Elvis and
Second-hand clothes
There goes little man
There goes another little man
Now the are lined up in a concrete strip
You can buy the world with just one trip
And save a penny cause it's jumbo size
They don't even realize
They'er killin' the little man
Oh the little man
It wasn't long when I was a child
An old black man came with his plow
He broke the ground where we grew our garden
Back before we'd all forgot
about the little man
The little man
Long live the little man
God bless the little man
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I take it you don't like Wal-Mart? :)
I'm going to delete this post now :P
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I'm going to delete this post now :P
lol. Dude I am at Wal-Mart about once a week. :) In fact, if I had to start all over again, I'd go work for them as a teenager and work my way up (for the stock). That family is loaded. I'd even move to Arkansas. :)
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lol. Dude I am at Wal-Mart about once a week. :) In fact, if I had to start all over again, I'd go work for them as a teenager and work my way up (for the stock). That family is loaded. I'd even move to Arkansas. :)
I'm going to delete this post too :P
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Alan Jackson does not approve :P
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AND I have Sam Walton's auto "Made in America" on my office shelf. :)
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AND I have Sam Walton's auto "Made in America" on my office shelf. :)
I'm going to delete all your post for the last 24 hours for saying that. >:(
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I'm going to delete all your post for the last 24 hours for saying that. >:(
And furthermore, a lady who worked at my company (before my time) left before I started to go work for Wal-Mart in Arkansas. No joke. :D lol . . . .
I think that about covers it. Wait . . . my wife probably shops there at least TWICE a week. . . .
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AND I have Sam Walton's auto "Made in America" on my office shelf. :)
Great Business entrepreneurs usually go bankrupt at least once, Sam Walton did.
btw this post is deja vu, weird
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I'm going to invent something and let Wal-Mart make me rich. Perhaps a shirt with a built in pencil holder, that also reflects light in case your walking home from school late.
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Great Business entrepreneurs usually go bankrupt at least once, Sam Walton did.
btw this post is deja vu, weird
He was a genius. A true American success story.
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Walt Disney went bankrupt 7 times. So Sam can bite him.
But the hell with Wal Mart. It's not good for small businesses and it's closing Main Street America down
I like Target better anyway. :P
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And furthermore, a lady who worked at my company (before my time) left before I started to go work for Wal-Mart in Arkansas. No joke. :D lol . . . .
I think that about covers it. Wait . . . my wife probably shops there at least TWICE a week. . . .
That's alright, I shoplift there at least 5 times a week and give the proceeds away to the poor so I offset you 8)
That's right motherfucker, I'm a regular goddamned robinfuckinghood :P
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Walt Disney went bankrupt 7 times. So Sam can bite him.
But the hell with Wal Mart. It's not good for small businesses and it's closing Main Street America down
I like Target better anyway. :P
What is this, battle of the mods, step aside biotch >:(
:P
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Walt Disney went bankrupt 7 times. So Sam can bite him.
But the hell with Wal Mart. It's not good for small businesses and it's closing Main Street America down
I like Target better anyway. :P
I haven't noticed that here. We have lots of small businesses and I haven't heard of any of them shutting down because of Wal-Mart. I know they gave K-Mart problems. But Wal-Mart is giving consumers what they want.
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What is this, battle of the mods, step aside biotch >:(
:P
do make me use my mighty morphing mod powers..... 8)
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That's alright, I shoplift there at least 5 times a week and give the proceeds away to the poor so I offset you 8)
That's right motherfucker, I'm a regular goddamned robinfuckinghood :P
lol. Hey I think my wife even has a Wal-Mart credit card . . . .
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The people who shop at Wal-Mart here always crack me up. They all look sick/psychotic. :D
I'm 100% Capitalist, I can't hate Wal-Mart for doing well.
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I haven't noticed that here. We have lots of small businesses and I haven't heard of any of them shutting down because of Wal-Mart. I know they gave K-Mart problems. But Wal-Mart is giving consumers what they want.
There are towns in the Mainland that have tried to bar Wal Marts from opening there. My aunt who lives in Wisconsin, tells me of towns where Main Street used to be loaded with family own businesses and now they are boarded up due to Wal Marts putting them out of business.
Every so often i read about this very thing happening somewhere in the mainland. It's not good.
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Lil. hey I think my wife even has a Waldemar credit card . . . .
I bugged their home office and regularly engage in industrial espionage selling secrets to Target and local cooperatives. :P
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The people who shop at Wal-Mart here always crack me up. They all look sick/psychotic. :D
I'm 100% Capitalist, I can't hate Wal-Mart for doing well.
i hear ya. but there's something about a family owned hardware store, Auto mechanic, drug store, etc... that just pure and the service you get there is usually superb. With BIG corporations it's different.
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There are towns in the Mainland that have tried to bar Wal Marts from opening there. My aunt who lives in Wisconsin, tells me of towns where Main Street used to be loaded with family own businesses and now they are boarded up due to Wal Marts putting them out of business.
Every so often i read about this very thing happening somewhere in the mainland. It's not good.
Interesting. I haven't read up on this. But is this really a bad thing? Seems to me it is what the market wants. They come in and offer more products at a cheap price, employ more people, and put more money into the economy.
And isn't the alternative socialism?
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do make me use my mighty morphing mod powers..... 8)
I suggest we have a mod war and totally start wacking what the other mods are saying :P Ok, me first, I've just went back and changed 4 of Beach's posts to read, "I'm a homo and there is nothing you can do about it. I love men"
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I bugged their home office and regularly engage in industrial espionage selling secrets to Target and local cooperatives. :P
You're fired! Hasn't worked. :)
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once a week I go into walmart and find a safe place to stand away from the exit and yell, "IMMIGRATION!!!" then I watch the mass pileup at the exits
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You're fired! Hasn't worked. :)
fired what? Of course it's worked ;)
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i hear ya. but there's something about a family owned hardware store, Auto mechanic, drug store, etc... that just pure and the service you get there is usually superb. With BIG corporations it's different.
Oh yeah, I totaly agree and I shop at a small family owned place over a big corp anyday.
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Interesting. I haven't read up on this. But is this really a bad thing? Seems to me it is what the market wants. They come in and offer more products at a cheap price, employ more people, and put more money into the economy.
And isn't the alternative socialism?
Yes, they offer cheaper prices, more products etc.... But have you ever gone to that old tea/breakfast cafe on the east side of Honolulu, it supposed to be the first tea house or something on the Island. It's set deep in a grove of trees. I can't remember the name. But that's has the charm fo a family owned place. Where i live there used to be a a place called Pacific hardware, a family owned business, where you knew the people there and they ran the place beautifully. they had to sell out to ace hardware. Not the same anymore.
Yes you pay more, but it doesn't usually take eggs off the table. The alternative isn't socialism, it's supporting local businesses. I do that as much as i can.
Don;t get me wrong, i'm not against big businesses. i just don;t like to see small business go under. It's what makes us unique, individual and says to the average person that they can own their own business and prosper....it's part of the American dream
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I suggest we have a mod war and totally start wacking what the other mods are saying :P Ok, me first, I've just went back and changed 4 of Beach's posts to read, "I'm a homo and there is nothing you can do about it. I love men"
lol ;D
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fired what? Of course it's worked ;)
If you're spying and sharing secrets to hurt their business, you have failed. Miserably. I have never walked into Wal-Mart, anywhere, and not seen it just packed with customers. Same with Costco.
Turn in your spy card. :)
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Did someone say socialism :D Hold up...... I think I hav... yes, I found it!!!
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If you're spying and sharing secrets to hurt their business, you have failed. Miserably. I have never walked into Wal-Mart, anywhere, and not seen it just packed with customers. Same with Costco.
Turn in your spy card. :)
No... It's packed until I yell Immigration! ;) Then it is empty.
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Yes, they offer cheaper prices, more products etc.... But have you ever gone to that old tea/breakfast cafe on the east side of Honolulu, it supposed to be the first tea house or something on the Island. It's set deep in a grove of trees. I can't remember the name. But that's has the charm fo a family owned place. Where i live there used to be a a place called Pacific hardware, a family owned business, where you knew the people there and they ran the place beautifully. they had to sell out to ace hardware. Not the same anymore.
Yes you pay more, but it doesn't usually take eggs off the table. The alternative isn't socialism, it's supporting local businesses. I do that as much as i can.
Don;t get me wrong, i'm not against big businesses. i just don;t like to see small business go under. It's what makes us unique, individual and says to the average person that they can own their own business and prosper....it's part of the American dream
I agree with much of this. Small business is the backbone of our economy. I love the mom and pop stores too. (Never tea/breakfast place you mentioned.) I guess the way I see this is ultimately the market determines whether a business should survive or not.
How do you stop Wal-Mart from entering the market without using socialism? Sounds like the government controlling the market, instead of consumers.
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I agree with much of this. Small business is the backbone of our economy. I love the mom and pop stores too. (Never tea/breakfast place you mentioned.) I guess the way I see this is ultimately the market determines whether a business should survive or not.
How do you stop Wal-Mart from entering the market without using socialism? Sounds like the government controlling the market, instead of consumers.
One time i read about 3 years ago enough people in a town sign a petition baring them from opening a Wal Mart and it worked.
But i donno. I just see this trend happening more and more. It probably won;t be stopped.
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You guys are no fun >:(
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You guys are no fun >:(
sorry dude, i'm out. :(
GF here in 30 min ;)
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One time i read about 3 years ago enough people in a town sign a petition baring them from opening a Wal Mart and it worked.
But i donno. I just see this trend happening more and more. It probably won;t be stopped.
Petition followed by ordinance/law? Denial of permit or business license? The government had to be involved.
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You guys are no fun >:(
I'm out too. My girlfriend is here. And she's much bigger than Ozmo's lady. (It's my big screen TV). :D
Buenos noches.
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Well, I waited to hear what everyone else thought (they were not surprising answers) but I'll now weigh on it.
The Wal-Mart you all know and love is not the same Wal-Mart that Sam Walton envisioned.
Sam Walton hated the Super Centers... only his kids liked them.
Sam knew that running the average little business owner and working man out of business was bad for everyone... people can't spend money at his store if there's no jobs.
Sam Walton used to buy things that were made in America... Wal-Mart buys more crap from Korea, Taiwan, and China now than anywhere.
I do not like Wal-Mart, honestly, Wal-Mart may be the one corporation I truly hate, but I did not always feel this way. I used to really like Wal-Mart, but they changed and the corporation after Sam Walton died got more greedy.
Wal-Mart is a terrible company and I refuse to ever shop there.
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The people who shop at Wal-Mart here always crack me up. They all look sick/psychotic. :D
I'm 100% Capitalist, I can't hate Wal-Mart for doing well.
Capitalism is designed for everyone, not one particular corporation, technically, what Wal-Mart does is price gouging. They can sell a product cheaper because they are the largest retail chain in the world, which gives them buying leverage.
Did you know that if I open a store to sell widgets and I buy widgets from a vendor, and widgets that are stolen come out of my bottom line.
Wal-Mart because they are so large tells vendors that if a widget gets stolen, it's up to the vendor to replace it free of charge.
I haven't noticed that here. We have lots of small businesses and I haven't heard of any of them shutting down because of Wal-Mart. I know they gave K-Mart problems. But Wal-Mart is giving consumers what they want.
There are many small businesses who have gone under due to Wal-Mart stores, you don't notice it as I believe you are close to the LA region, but small rural towns have seen the pain... Many small towns in rural America have had to close up their doors due to being undercut by Wal-Mart.
What I find interesting is that people say it's no big deal, until it's them... People who shop at wal-mart and say, I do it because it's cheap, are the same people who work for the Auto Industry and get upset when they are let go because American cars are too expensive.
It's a viscious cycle.
Interesting. I haven't read up on this. But is this really a bad thing? Seems to me it is what the market wants. They come in and offer more products at a cheap price, employ more people, and put more money into the economy.
And isn't the alternative socialism?
No, the alternative is a fair market place... my first example.
I'm not trying to redistribute wealth by any stretch, but there will be a "reckoning" of sorts... It can't be helped... the Economy is all of us, not just a few, and not just the most rich... Without you and me making money, Wal-Mart can't exist. No place can.
Wal-Mart was fine before the Sam died... His kids fucked it all up.
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Well, I waited to hear what everyone else thought (they were not surprising answers) but I'll now weigh on it.
The Wal-Mart you all know and love is not the same Wal-Mart that Sam Walton envisioned.
Sam Walton hated the Super Centers... only his kids liked them.
Sam knew that running the average little business owner and working man out of business was bad for everyone... people can't spend money at his store if there's no jobs.
Sam Walton used to buy things that were made in America... Wal-Mart buys more crap from Korea, Taiwan, and China now than anywhere.
I do not like Wal-Mart, honestly, Wal-Mart may be the one corporation I truly hate, but I did not always feel this way. I used to really like Wal-Mart, but they changed and the corporation after Sam Walton died got more greedy.
Wal-Mart is a terrible company and I refuse to ever shop there.
well said
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Capitalism is designed for everyone, not one particular corporation, technically, what Wal-Mart does is price gouging. They can sell a product cheaper because they are the largest retail chain in the world, which gives them buying leverage.
Did you know that if I open a store to sell widgets and I buy widgets from a vendor, and widgets that are stolen come out of my bottom line.
Wal-Mart because they are so large tells vendors that if a widget gets stolen, it's up to the vendor to replace it free of charge.
I've been to Wal-Mart 5 times since it opened here 3 years ago, I think it's a disgusting place to be. What can we do though? They didn't break the law, if we start limiting Wal-Mart than whats next?
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I've been to Wal-Mart 5 times since it opened here 3 years ago. I think it's a disgusting place to be. What can we do though? They didn't break the law, if we start limiting Wal-Mart than whats next?
We limit a lot of things in the name of fair enterprise in this country... That's what monopoly cases are all about.
People in middle america are the ones losing, when they can no longer afford to even shop at Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart too will suffer... They will see.
All we can do is what we are... shop there if you like, but if you don't, refuse to step foot in their doors.
That's me.
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From a purely historical standpoint, the loss of America's downtowns is a tragedy.
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Capitalism is designed for everyone, not one particular corporation, technically, what Wal-Mart does is price gouging. They can sell a product cheaper because they are the largest retail chain in the world, which gives them buying leverage.
Did you know that if I open a store to sell widgets and I buy widgets from a vendor, and widgets that are stolen come out of my bottom line.
Wal-Mart because they are so large tells vendors that if a widget gets stolen, it's up to the vendor to replace it free of charge.
There are many small businesses who have gone under due to Wal-Mart stores, you don't notice it as I believe you are close to the LA region, but small rural towns have seen the pain... Many small towns in rural America have had to close up their doors due to being undercut by Wal-Mart.
What I find interesting is that people say it's no big deal, until it's them... People who shop at wal-mart and say, I do it because it's cheap, are the same people who work for the Auto Industry and get upset when they are let go because American cars are too expensive.
It's a viscious cycle.
No, the alternative is a fair market place... my first example.
I'm not trying to redistribute wealth by any stretch, but there will be a "reckoning" of sorts... It can't be helped... the Economy is all of us, not just a few, and not just the most rich... Without you and me making money, Wal-Mart can't exist. No place can.
Wal-Mart was fine before the Sam died... His kids fucked it all up.
What you're saying is we use the government to keep a business out of a community that the community wants so smaller entities can survive. That is socialism in my book. The end result is fewer choices for the consumer, potentially fewer jobs, and less revenue. I don't think this a good thing.
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What you're saying is we use the government to keep a business out of a community that the community wants so smaller entities can survive. That is socialism in my book. The end result is fewer choices for the consumer, potentially fewer jobs, and less revenue. I don't think this a good thing.
Hardly... The community doesn't want them anyway... Many small communities around the country would rather not have them there.
There was a Wal-Mart placed in Ashland, Virginia and the community didn't want it... Someone got paid though and the Wal-Mart went in. It is currently one of the least visited Wal-Marts in the country and loses money regularly. This is small town USA and they hate Wal-Mart.
If a community "wants" Wal-Mart (and I doubt you'll find many that say, "Man, I sure wish we had a Wal-Mart") then fine, but there are many communities who would rather Wal-Mart stay out, but Wal-Mart pushes its way in anyway.
Since you brought up Socialism anyway... please explain to me why you think it's so bad.
Many things which are of a socialist ideal seem very smart... Public healthcare and the like.
So what exactly about socialism do you think is so evil?
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What you're saying is we use the government to keep a business out of a community that the community wants so smaller entities can survive. That is socialism in my book. The end result is fewer choices for the consumer, potentially fewer jobs, and less revenue. I don't think this a good thing.
YES!! I'm sick and tired of idiots saying Wal-mart supercenters = bad. First of all what they take from the community in mom and pop stores they give back via jobs and great prices. Efficiency is king these days and so is lower pricing.
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YES!! I'm sick and tired of idiots saying Wal-mart supercenters = bad. First of all what they take from the community in mom and pop stores they give back via jobs and great prices. Efficiency is king these days and so is lower pricing.
Really Camel? So you're saying that if I work at let's say a local Toy store and I make 8 bucks and hour, then they go out of business because Wal-Mart came in and their Toy people make 7 bucks an hour, that it's better?
Wal-Mart is not more efficient by the way, they're too large to be efficient.
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Really Camel? So you're saying that if I work at let's say a local Toy store and I make 8 bucks and hour, then they go out of business because Wal-Mart came in and their Toy people make 7 bucks an hour, that it's better?
Wal-Mart is not more efficient by the way, they're too large to be efficient.
By efficient I mean their prices are cheaper, not to mention you can find just about anything in a supercenter. And believe it or not, overall cheaper prices are good for poor famalies.
If you are worried about lower wages for the poor then look more into illegal immigration. If we closed our borders, then wages would rise atleast by a dollar or even more.
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By efficient I mean their prices are cheaper, not to mention you can find just about anything in a supercenter. And believe it or not, overall cheaper prices are good for poor famalies.
If you are worried about lower wages for the poor then look more into illegal immigration. If we closed our borders, then wages would rise atleast by a dollar or even more.
Didn't Wal-Mart also get busted for illegal hiring procedures (hiring illegal aliens to work cheap)?
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walmart is america's answer to chinese sweatshops.
China destroys the US in mnfg margins, efficiency and productivity.
Likewise, Walmart destroys its competitors with the exact same processes.
Paying your people poverty money is indeed efficiency - doing the job with as few resources as possible.
The American people could stop it INSTANTLY by voting with their pocketbook - but saving $9 on Mac n Cheese means more to most folks than larger economic trend shifts, because it doesnt affect them. As a result, those uneducated folks that work for walmart have no voice for them. (the anti-union signs all over the break room are hilarious!).
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If you are worried about lower wages for the poor then look more into illegal immigration. If we closed our borders, then wages would rise atleast by a dollar or even more.
Your daily walmart shopping bill would go up a few bucks too.
Suddenly, the dishwasher/agriculture circuit would recruit walmart labor to fill their void. They'd have to pay more. Walmart would have to pay even more to retain its employees.
Result?
Food would cost more (agriculture industry's costs going up to pay white kids to work in fields) and higher grocery store operating costs (from higher employee salary) would raise prices.
The average american would get screwed twice at the register because we kicked out 12 mil people that our economy actually needs.
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240, the US will always have a steady flow of immigrants. And who said anything about kicking out 12 million? I say amnesty for those already here for over a year or two and strict borders with a huge fence.
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240, the US will always have a steady flow of immigrants. And who said anything about kicking out 12 million? I say amnesty for those already here for over a year or two and strict borders with a huge fence.
in that case, works for me!!
However, nobody wants to lose the hispanic vote, so no one will ever build a fence. Period.
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in that case, works for me!!
However, nobody wants to lose the hispanic vote, so no one will ever build a fence. Period.
True enough...
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bush has had 6 years to fix the border, and 5.5 years AFTER a domestic attack.
So far, no fence. But "he's trying", despite owning congress for 6 years.
We are to believe that our nation is capable of putting 200,000 men on the other side of the world and feeding/arming/housing them for 5 years as they engage in war...
but we can't put up a security system in our own nation to keep out unwanteds?
It's insulting to the intelligence when they say they're trying. They're not.
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bush has had 6 years to fix the border, and 5.5 years AFTER a domestic attack.
So far, no fence. But "he's trying", despite owning congress for 6 years.
We are to believe that our nation is capable of putting 200,000 men on the other side of the world and feeding/arming/housing them for 5 years as they engage in war...
but we can't put up a security system in our own nation to keep out unwanteds?
It's insulting to the intelligence when they say they're trying. They're not.
good point. How good would a 100 billion dollars go if it was dedicated to a bridge?
Fact is they don;t want the illegals to stop coming into the country.
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Hardly... The community doesn't want them anyway... Many small communities around the country would rather not have them there.
There was a Wal-Mart placed in Ashland, Virginia and the community didn't want it... Someone got paid though and the Wal-Mart went in. It is currently one of the least visited Wal-Marts in the country and loses money regularly. This is small town USA and they hate Wal-Mart.
If a community "wants" Wal-Mart (and I doubt you'll find many that say, "Man, I sure wish we had a Wal-Mart") then fine, but there are many communities who would rather Wal-Mart stay out, but Wal-Mart pushes its way in anyway.
Since you brought up Socialism anyway... please explain to me why you think it's so bad.
Many things which are of a socialist ideal seem very smart... Public healthcare and the like.
So what exactly about socialism do you think is so evil?
I have only experienced Wal-Mart in the "big" cities on the mainland and here in Hawaii. I have never seen one that is rarely visited. I'm not sure how many they put in small towns, but one of the reasons Wal-Mart is no. 2 on the Fortune 500 list for 2006 is millions of Americans shop there.
Re socialism: it is never a good idea to place control of the market solely in the hands of the government. You will have the government dictating prices, products, wages, etc. Is that really something you want to have the government doing? Look at what they have done with the budget and national debt.
One of the reasons our country is the greatest in the history of the world is our free enterprise system. It forces companies to produce better products, provide better services, pay competitive wages. I do not believe the government could do this if it took control of the market.
That's off the top of my head. I could probably come up with more reasons if I took the time to think about it. But it's Sunday evening and I don't want to think. :)
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I have only experienced Wal-Mart in the "big" cities on the mainland and here in Hawaii. I have never seen one that is rarely visited. I'm not sure how many they put in small towns, but one of the reasons Wal-Mart is no. 2 on the Fortune 500 list for 2006 is millions of Americans shop there.
Re socialism: it is never a good idea to place control of the market solely in the hands of the government. You will have the government dictating prices, products, wages, etc. Is that really something you want to have the government doing? Look at what they have done with the budget and national debt.
One of the reasons our country is the greatest in the history of the world is our free enterprise system. It forces companies to produce better products, provide better services, pay competitive wages. I do not believe the government could do this if it took control of the market.
That's off the top of my head. I could probably come up with more reasons if I took the time to think about it. But it's Sunday evening and I don't want to think. :)
How do Socialist countries then thrive? ie. the UK?
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How do Socialist countries then thrive? ie. the UK?
Socialist countries thrive? You mean like the former Soviet Union?
I don't know much about the business climate in the UK. Why do you say they are thriving?
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Socialist countries thrive? You mean like the former Soviet Union?
I don't know much about the business climate in the UK. Why do you say they are thriving?
Um, they were communist, not socialist... There's a difference.
Socialism is kind of a half way point between capitalism and communism, or at least that was my take on it.
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Socialist countries thrive? You mean like the former Soviet Union?
I don't know much about the business climate in the UK. Why do you say they are thriving?
The Soviet Union was bankrupted by trying to keep control in Afghanistan.
It's OK if you don't understand how it happened, ...you'll find out soon enough. :P
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Um, they were communist, not socialist... There's a difference.
Socialism is kind of a half way point between capitalism and communism, or at least that was my take on it.
Splitting hairs? A communist government is a socialist government. I guess you can have elements of communism/socialism in a democratic government, but I don't really see much of a logical distinction.
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Splitting hairs? A communist government is a socialist government. I guess you can have elements of communism/socialism in a democratic government, but I don't really see much of a logical distinction.
Perhaps... There's definitely some difference, maybe not enough to matter.
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The Soviet Union was bankrupted by trying to keep control in Afghanistan.
It's OK if you don't understand how it happened, ...you'll find out soon enough. :P
You mean the Cold War didn't do it?
We are a far cry from the Soviet Union. We're still the world's lone Super Power. The Big Dog. Don't be hatin. :)
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You mean the Cold War didn't do it?
We are a far cry from the Soviet Union. We're still the world's lone Super Power. The Big Dog. Don't be hatin. :)
The Soviet Union was also a Super Power. Infact, they were an even bigger SuperPower.
That's why the war was a "Cold War". If the USA thought they had a chance they'd have been in there like a dirty shirt. They stayed away 'cause they knew they'd get their asses kicked. So they funded the hell out of OBL to tie up the Soviets in Afghanistan, ...and it eventually bankrupted the Soviets. Now, all that funding has turned around and bit them on the ass, because now the US is being bankrupted.
Don't believe me? ...how ya enjoying your $4 a gallon gasoline? :P
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The Soviet Union was also a Super Power. Infact, they were an even bigger SuperPower.
That's why the war was a "Cold War". If the USA thought they had a chance they'd have been in there like a dirty shirt. They stayed away 'cause they knew they'd get their asses kicked. So they funded the hell out of OBL to tie up the Soviets in Afghanistan, ...and it eventually bankrupted the Soviets. Now, all that funding has turned around and bit them on the ass, because now the US is being bankrupted.
Don't believe me? ...how ya enjoying your $4 a gallon gasoline? :P
No I don't believe the war in Afghanistan is what bankrupted the Soviet Union.
I paying about $2.70 for gas. >:(
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No I don't believe the war in Afghanistan is what bankrupted the Soviet Union.
I paying about $2.70 for gas. >:(
How would you like to save a guaranteed 7 - 14% in fuel costs?
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No I don't believe the war in Afghanistan is what bankrupted the Soviet Union.
I paying about $2.70 for gas. >:(
Where at Bum? Here in Venice it's up to about 3.15.
I think it was many things... trying to keep up with the US in the space and arms race, Afghan, plus a couple of other things, like poor infrastructure to get resources to and from specific locations.
They all helped.
How would you like to save a guaranteed 7 - 14% in fuel costs?
Jags... >:(
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Where at Bum? Here in Venice it's up to about 3.15.
I think it was many things... trying to keep up with the US in the space and arms race, Afghan, plus a couple of other things, like poor infrastructure to get resources to and from specific locations.
They all helped.
Jags... >:(
What?!?!?!?! I only asked the man a teeny tiny little question, ...it could have been much worse.
Be grateful for small mercies and considerations, ...or you won't get them next time. ;)
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What?!?!?!?! I only asked the man a teeny tiny little question, ...it could have been much worse.
Be grateful for small mercies and considerations, ...or you won't get them next time. ;)
Hmm... :-\
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Where at Bum? Here in Venice it's up to about 3.15.
I think it was many things... trying to keep up with the US in the space and arms race, Afghan, plus a couple of other things, like poor infrastructure to get resources to and from specific locations.
They all helped.
Jags... >:(
Honolulu. Costco is $2.70. Other places range about $2.80 to about $3.50. Don't even get me started on the gas company cartel. >:(
I agree all of the things you mentioned contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union. I would add communism and glasnost.
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Honolulu. Costco is $2.70. Other places range about $2.80 to about $3.50. Don't even get me started on the gas company cartel. >:(
I agree all of the things you mentioned contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union. I would add communism and glasnost.
Glasnost definitely... Had the USSR done communism like China does it, it may have worked out much better for them. China seems to thrive (as a government) pretty well... They have the single largest capitalist economy in their communist country (Hong Kong).
It's an interesting thing don't you think?
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Glasnost definitely... Had the USSR done communism like China does it, it may have worked out much better for them. China seems to thrive (as a government) pretty well... They have the single largest capitalist economy in their communist country (Hong Kong).
It's an interesting thing don't you think?
It is. Although I have maintained for years that communism will eventually fall in China. It's only a matter of time.
And even though China's economy is huge, I'm not sure they compare favorably to the U.S. in terms of products, services, wages, quality of life, etc. Also, I'd say they are functioning, but not necessarily thriving. You couldn't pay me enough to live there. I wouldn't want the government dictating my religion, forcing my wife to have an abortion, controlling my business, etc.
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It is. Although I have maintained for years that communism will eventually fall in China. It's only a matter of time.
And even though China's economy is huge, I'm not sure they compare favorably to the U.S. in terms of products, services, wages, quality of life, etc. Also, I'd say they are functioning, but not necessarily thriving. You couldn't pay me enough to live there. I wouldn't want the government dictating my religion, forcing my wife to have an abortion, controlling my business, etc.
I don't disagree on the personal freedoms in China... I wouldn't want to live with that either, but if you live in a large city, I think you can do well... It's the more rural areas that keep screwed.
The thing I don't understand is how can we continue to do business with China when they are communist. We didn't do much with the USSR and we refuse to do it with Cuba even today... Why do we give China a pass?
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I don't disagree on the personal freedoms in China... I wouldn't want to live with that either, but if you live in a large city, I think you can do well... It's the more rural areas that keep screwed.
The thing I don't understand is how can we continue to do business with China when they are communist. We didn't do much with the USSR and we refuse to do it with Cuba even today... Why do we give China a pass?
Look around your room. How many of the items were made in China? :)
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Look around your room. How many of the items were made in China? :)
Actually, nothing that I bought. ;)
Since when did we sell out our principles... Thought this country was better than that.
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Actually, nothing that I bought. ;)
Since when did we sell out our principles... Thought this country was better than that.
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Welcome to Reality! ps - The Easter Bunny isn't real either.
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Welcome to Reality! ps - The Easter Bunny isn't real either.
It's not my reality... I think it's disgusting on so many levels... The Easter Bunny IS REAL!!! LIAR! >:(