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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 09, 2007, 05:14:12 PM
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
hahaha what do your pics have to do with what you are saying?
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LAME :-[
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he cant be real. I still can't believe it.
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that trashcan in the first picture sure made a lot of progress!
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there's no fucking way this is legit :-X
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You look like shit.
Actually, I've been training for Chad's Muscle Mayhem show and my biceps now measure at 19 1/4 and my lacking delts aren't lagging anymore. And because I decided to go nuclear, I will actually compete at my next show around 220 pounds. Right now I'm 246 pounds.
Wait till you folks get a load of me.
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looks like warm poo
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looks like warm poo
eww
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Is it fun having people laugh at you all the time? You've "trained" for how long? Done how many cycles? You make think that black people don't have better genetics after all.
We'll see who's laughing when I post my pictures, I'm just waiting for April so I can show Billy Guns what time it is. Pretty much I'm almost as big as Alex23 now, but still have a leaner frame and now I can throw a most muscular with a little sting on it
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Is it fun having people laugh at you all the time? You've "trained" for how long? Done how many cycles? You make me think that black people don't have better genetics after all.
Im 17 and trained for a year and i'd rather look like me any day. And i'm 165lbs.
165...... ::)
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Your physic would look tons better and more steamlined if you got that gyno cut out, Dr Bermant does a great job if your on th east coast.
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We'll see who's laughing when I post my pictures, I'm just waiting for April so I can show Billy Guns what time it is. Pretty much I'm almost as big as Alex23 now, but still have a leaner frame and now I can throw a most muscular with a little sting on it
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
LOL best self owning I've seen here so far.
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.... And i'm 165lbs.
you just owned yourself, my friend.
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Actually, I've been training for Chad's Muscle Mayhem show and my biceps now measure at 19 1/4 and my lacking delts aren't lagging anymore. And because I decided to go nuclear, I will actually compete at my next show around 220 pounds. Right now I'm 246 pounds.
Vince, that is a HUGE weight. And arms near twenty at your height, that is incredible.
Even if you want to keep folks guessing as to your condition, can you post a pic in a t-shirt? Just to verify you are as big as a house and your arms dwarf most of the kids here.
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We'll see who's laughing when I post my pictures, I'm just waiting for April so I can show Billy Guns what time it is. Pretty much I'm almost as big as Alex23 now, but still have a leaner frame and now I can throw a most muscular with a little sting on it
it is April. hurry up I need a good laugh
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Vince, that is a HUGE weight. And arms near twenty at your height, that is incredible.
Even if you want to keep folks guessing as to your condition, can you post a pic in a t-shirt? Just to verify you are as big as a house and your arms dwarf most of the kids here.
That's not a bad idea, 240, I'll have to have a friend get a pic
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That's not a bad idea, 240, I'll have to have a friend get a pic
Cool. yeah, I'd keep them guessing - anything shirtless/offseason will only get mocked. Stand in front of something standard (a car, a door, or anything else that shows relative size).
You smile for the camera at 250 pounds and 20 inch arms, you will seriously show some power.
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Hahahaha, who didn't know that I was skinny? Who are you? ::)
excuse me, but i am not accustomed to perusing pictures of half-naked twinkies....
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Actually, I've been training for Chad's Muscle Mayhem show and my biceps now measure at 19 1/4 and my lacking delts aren't lagging anymore. And because I decided to go nuclear, I will actually compete at my next show around 220 pounds. Right now I'm 246 pounds.
Wait till you folks get a load of me.
LOL. Vince, you're the biggest load on Getbig.
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I hope Melvin gets new posing trunks for his next show. ;D
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I hope Melvin gets new posing trunks for his next show. ;D
why, you need new whack material? :-X
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I hope Melvin gets new posing trunks for his next show. ;D
I'm wearing yellow ones for the morning show and blue satin for the evening
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We'll see who's laughing when I post my pictures, I'm just waiting for April so I can show Billy Guns what time it is. Pretty much I'm almost as big as Alex23 now, but still have a leaner frame and now I can throw a most muscular with a little sting on it
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
lay off the LSD, you're in some fantasy land where grotesque physiques are idolized...
PS - you're 30? ;D jeeezzzz i hope you tell people you started training a few weeks ago!
30 looking like that? damn i know 17 year old's that'd put you to shame!
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vince, i'm 6'2" and 265 in the pic in my avatar. my arms are 19.5" or so pumped, right on the 19" border cold. look at my picture for a moment, look at yours, then try and explain how your arm could be an inch bigger than mine despite looking six inches smaller. a 20" arm at any height is huge, it would look like it's 20" were that the case.
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Melvin, stick to trunks that don't bring attention to you. I recommend black trucks. Never yellow!
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vince, i'm 6'2" and 265 in the pic in my avatar. my arms are 19.5" or so pumped, right on the 19" border cold. look at my picture for a moment, look at yours, then try and explain how your arm could be an inch bigger than mine despite looking six inches smaller. a 20" arm at any height is huge, it would look like it's 20" were that the case.
You are fat my friend at 265 and my arms are large because I not only train my biceps but also my triceps very hard. I added another 1/2 inch using my "Better Biceps, Better Barbecue Routine" or perhaps you don't remember the article I wrote on MM in 2005.
Honestly, Magoo you're not in my league because once you slim down, your arms will be around 17 or even 16.
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It's ironic that you pose next to a trash can. And even more ironic, the trash can has better shape. Hurry Vince, kill yourself.
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I can vouch for Vince, his arms and physique are very large. His problem is with getting his physique to fill out, plus he has long arms, probably the longest I have ever seen in person. He is a big dude, but some minor mistakes from mother nature keep people his size at the amatuer level, because of the lack of huge full muscle bellies.
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some minor mistakes from mother nature
Which ones?
The homely face? The man-teats? The sub-normal intellect?
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looks like warm poo
HAHAHA!
Piping hot from the butt oven...... :-X
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Which ones?
The homely face? The man-teats? The sub-normal intellect?
LOL. No, I mean like the size of the muscle bellies. Kinda like how someone like Casey Viator looked huge and full. I am saying most people do not have the capacity to look amazing. I know I don't, but I try to get bigger and better regardless.
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I can vouch for Vince, his arms and physique are very large. His problem is with getting his physique to fill out, plus he has long arms, probably the longest I have ever seen in person. He is a big dude, but some minor mistakes from mother nature keep people his size at the amatuer level, because of the lack of huge full muscle bellies.
That's the thing, I finally began to fill out after I increased my carb intake and dropped the protein intake to 125 grams a day. Its actually helped a great deal in giving me a more fuller physique. I picked up Arnolds book and evaluated his nutrition and copied his same techinque. Works like a charm and I can train much harder than before because I have the extra energy
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That's the thing, I finally began to fill out after I increased my carb intake and dropped the protein intake to 125 grams a day. Its actually helped a great deal in giving me a more fuller physique. I picked up Arnolds book and evaluated his nutrition and copied his same techinque. Works like a charm and I can train much harder than before because I have the extra energy
Cool. I remember talking to you about my protein views, and you agreed back then. I always felt carbs really serve to make you look better, but adequete protein is the key, not over kill. Plus low calories are key for getting ripped. Well, lowered under control, with fat loss. By being full, I mean like, look at Arnold's chest, then look at most amatuer lifters. Usually there is a muscular deficiency in there that does not grow as well because the potential (muscle to begin with) is not there. Sort of like why calfs will never be as good on a guy withvery small calf muscle bellies.
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I added another 1/2 inch using my "Better Biceps, Better Barbecue Routine" or perhaps you don't remember the article I wrote on MM in 2005.
Honestly, Magoo you're not in my league because once you slim down, your arms will be around 17 or even 16.
LOL I just fell out of my chair, I can't wait for these new pics I'll be laughing for days
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Vince you look great keep up the good work!
Nevermind the haters.. ;)
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LOL I just fell out of my chair, I can't wait for these new pics I'll be laughing for days
hahahahahahahaha!!!!!! bigwrxguy is trolling the threads for black cock!!!
Watch out Vince he's already got a nickname for ya!!!
blackzilla, that thing has to be 6 inches or around.
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Cool. I remember talking to you about my protein views, and you agreed back then. I always felt carbs really serve to make you look better, but adequete protein is the key, not over kill. Plus low calories are key for getting ripped. Well, lowered under control, with fat loss. By being full, I mean like, look at Arnold's chest, then look at most amatuer lifters. Usually there is a muscular deficiency in there that does not grow as well because the potential (muscle to begin with) is not there. Sort of like why calfs will never be as good on a guy withvery small calf muscle bellies.
I still am quite off from the physique I had in the late 90's but its getting back there finally. I'll have to tweak the diet a bit more but I'm essentially focusing more on the "calories and water" ideal.
BTW, Revolution came by my booth at the flea market this weekend. Told me that Brodie is wrestling for NWA Cyberspace and and a few other feds. Stray Cat's always landed on his feet and it looks like he has done it again.
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"...Now that I'm 30..."
What? Dude, seriously, I thought you were 48 or 50 years old. I thought your competitions were masters events.
Boy, I sure was stupid.
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I still am quite off from the physique I had in the late 90's but its getting back there finally. I'll have to tweak the diet a bit more but I'm essentially focusing more on the "calories and water" ideal.
BTW, Revolution came by my booth at the flea market this weekend. Told me that Brodie is wrestling for NWA Cyberspace and and a few other feds. Stray Cat's always landed on his feet and it looks like he has done it again.
Thats cool. The biggest thing wrestling did for me was allow me to discover bodybuilding. I am considering competing in a show or something for the heck of it.
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WTF!!!
??? :-\ :-X
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Actually, I've been training for Chad's Muscle Mayhem show and my biceps now measure at 19 1/4 and my lacking delts aren't lagging anymore. And because I decided to go nuclear, I will actually compete at my next show around 220 pounds. Right now I'm 246 pounds.
Wait till you folks get a load of me.
OMG,
please, just stop posting.
You have NO IDEA of what those pics did to my psyche.
Sandra
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WTF!!!
??? :-\ :-X
lol :D ;D 8)
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Wait, Vince is black?
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Vince are u training at Sportsclub in greenville or the one in Simpsonville?
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I still am quite off from the physique I had in the late 90's but its getting back there finally. I'll have to tweak the diet a bit more but I'm essentially focusing more on the "calories and water" ideal.
BTW, Revolution came by my booth at the flea market this weekend. Told me that Brodie is wrestling for NWA Cyberspace and and a few other feds. Stray Cat's always landed on his feet and it looks like he has done it again.
When say "quite off" how much worse are you. I mean we've seen the pics of you in the late 90's. And you think you looked good there. OH MY GOD! Vince please please please kill yourself. I can't take it anymore myself. I laugh so hard forget about any ab work. Please post some pics of you now.
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Vince are u training at Sportsclub in greenville or the one in Simpsonville?
The one in Greenville but I've been training at home since Dec
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What kind of equipment do you have and how much did it cost to set up your gym? just curious ......
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Vince,
A 'comeback' involves going away first. We have to miss you.
Come on, man, you promised.
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
Why do advocate lying like a bitch all the time. Why?
Why do you look like shit with NO muscle? Why?
Why do you pretend to know so much when in reality all you do is spend countless hours on the internet copying articles that others spent thousand of hours researching? Why?
Why do you try to take credit for things others have done? Why?
Why are still still breathing air? Why?
Why are you still here? Why
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Vincent I heard you recently filed bankruptcy and caliber fitness is no longer. hope all is well. regards mate.
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Are the photo's to prove your point or are do they imply a sense of humour?
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Damn got to love Vince. he is like jocely peletier in NOC.
Important caracter in Getbig.
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looks like warm poo
shit it just dawned onto me, VINCE LOOKS BETTER THAN SQUADFATHER ;D
vince has muscle, just doesnt dial it in, in much better shape than SF!!
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165...... ::)
that's what you would weight in decent condition you fucking idiot
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
The funniest I have seen is BENJAMIN PEARSON! Bwahahahahahahahaha, dough boy!
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Gotta love how Vince put "x frame" under his 1st pic!
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that's what you would weight in decent condition you fucking idiot
Actually, he wouldn't weigh that much.
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Actually, I've been training for Chad's Muscle Mayhem show and my biceps now measure at 19 1/4 and my lacking delts aren't lagging anymore. And because I decided to go nuclear, I will actually compete at my next show around 220 pounds. Right now I'm 246 pounds.
Wait till you folks get a load of me.
hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Vince is consistent.
He consistently looks terrible.
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Just trying to see if I got everything right. Melvin used to train in a gym but since Dec is training at home on his Pilate's apparatus and perhaps some free weights. A few months ago he announced he was taking a holiday. Recently he slipped going up stairs at a Prepay Legal convention and broke bones in his back so was pulling out of a contest he was considering. Despite all these setbacks and training at home he managed to get huge and is now ready to show everyone. Well, he pulled that stunt in the past and promised photos but they never appeared. I think he is an attention whore and just loves it when so many read his words. It matters not that they bag him, as long as they notice that he is great and about to prove it to everyone.
Melvin does have long muscle bellies. His biceps show that. His calves are well shaped. So what is his problem? Did mother nature short change him or maybe he doesn't train right. Larry Scott wasn't wide but won the Mr Olympia twice. Those trademark calves and wide X-frame should allow Melvin to present on stage with a winning physique.......even if it is only the Junior division. The Junior division in the states doesn't mean under 21 like it does in the rest of the world.
Melvin is a dreamer and the choice of posing trunks shows that. Maybe he saw Bill Pearl in those shiny blue trunks and wants to copy that. Didn't Cormier wear yellow trunks? Just hope he doesn't wear female trunks like he did at the last contest. If some beginners do those lunging poses they can lose the contents of their trunks!
What would we do without Melvin on this board?
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i hear his new wrestling "handle" is chocolate gumby.
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
quit being a hypocrit. There is no way your arms are 18 inches or close to it and you type on here all the time.
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
Vince, you will never, ever, ever be this lean even for a SHOW. I am this lean all year..24/7/365. Goliath I'm not but putting you beside me is like putting a piece of shit beside a diamond.
If you are going to run your mouth, don't run your mouth about people that own you every way imaginable.
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Vince, you will never, ever, ever be this lean even for a SHOW. I am this lean all year..24/7/365. Goliath I'm not but putting you beside me is like putting a piece of shit beside a diamond.
If you are going to run your mouth, don't run your mouth about people that own you every way imaginable.
haha you look like shit
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haha you look like shit
actually he has a chest, you don't benji.
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Vince, you will never, ever, ever be this lean even for a SHOW. I am this lean all year..24/7/365. Goliath I'm not but putting you beside me is like putting a piece of shit beside a diamond.
If you are going to run your mouth, don't run your mouth about people that own you every way imaginable.
See this is what gets me about this site, benji attacks this guy while this guy looks 10 times better than benji.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136752.0;attach=152867;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=140515.0;attach=157685;image)
or me
(http://www.armed-guard.com/terryb/t50.jpg)
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Lifetime natural at 205, Benjamin. I don't look better than anyone here but 95% of you? Yes. And the worst part about it is you've got IDIOTS on here who look like Vince and have zero legs. I'll put myself up against any lifetime natural trainer on here...and there is no off-season. This is as much bodyfat as I ever hold. It's called dedication and work-ethic.
I am not fishing for comments, BTW. You guys rips on the physiques of I.F.B.B. pro's who take $20,000 worth of gear a year and have been training for 20 years. You'll find a reason to rip on anyone's physique so I'll gladly take any criticism with skepticism considering the source.
It's degrading to me, honestly, to even have to adress someone like Vince. He's in a different world than me and I'm just someone who's busted their ass for years to stay in shape. You all claim on here all the time that it's ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE for someone under 6' to maintain a lean physique over 200 pounds without drugs. These pics are at 205....
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rooster you got one f'd up looking back... do you have MS or something? :'(
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Wow benjamin, how did you etch all that detail into your back?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136752.0;attach=152870;image)
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rooster you got one f'd up looking back... do you have MS or something? :'(
get back in the child zone waif!
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get back in the child zone waif!
can't handle the truth?
your back is disproportionate, bent and just a rather ugly looking piece of...well you know. how about a shot of them legs, you can compare with egocrusher.....hahaahaha ;D
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Chaos, why do you run your mouth yet post no pics?
Why? Because you know you look like shit.
Bottom-line.
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Chaos, why do you run your mouth yet post no pics?
Why? Because you know you look like shit.
Bottom-line.
hes a jealous wannabe, jerks off to everybody's pics here.
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by simply stating that you both have the mass of a twelve year old girl (not that way rooster, calm down). you both freakout, but look at my condition!!!! big f'n deal. runners have good conditioning too, but they hang out on runners boards, this is bodyBUILDING, boys, that means building bigger, better bodies.
neither of you have accomplished that, but keep trying it's fun to watch retards fail ;D
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by simply stating that you both have the mass of a twelve year old girl (not that way rooster, calm down). you both freakout, but look at my condition!!!! big f'n deal. runners have good conditioning too, but they hang out on runners boards, this is bodyBUILDING, boys, that means building bigger, better bodies.
neither of you have accomplished that, but keep trying it's fun to watch retards fail ;D
Post yer pics there chaos. or shut yo piehole.
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No pics = Delusional
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by simply stating that you both have the mass of a twelve year old girl (not that way rooster, calm down). you both freakout, but look at my condition!!!! big f'n deal. runners have good conditioning too, but they hang out on runners boards, this is bodyBUILDING, boys, that means building bigger, better bodies.
neither of you have accomplished that, but keep trying it's fun to watch retards fail ;D
Actually never claimed to be the biggest or the baddest , yet i have won 11 local contests. Your accomplishments in bodybuilding?
*chirp chirp*
thought so....
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I think Benji put his shorts on backwards and didn't realize his piss stain is in the back now. Benjo you have to admit you look like a pile of pale white shit. At least Vince is the same color as shit.
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Post yer pics there chaos. or shut yo piehole.
No pics = Delusional
;D
no masturbation material for you twinks, now run along and work on your massive physiques ::)
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;D
no masturbation material for you twinks, now run along and work on your massive physiques ::)
Nah we will sit here and anxiously await your HUGE pics!
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I think Benji put his shorts on backwards and didn't realize his piss stain is in the back now. Benjo you have to admit you look like a pile of pale white shit.
Oh, man. Brutal.
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With all these people being revealed, its amazing that some of these trash talkers look when they're pictures are revealed. I've never seen anything like it and I'm still amazed by their 14 inch twink physiques they are sporting.
Now that I'm 30, I've retired from that so I won't mention names but if you're one of those people then I'd suggest hitting the gym and at least have a 18 inches on your biceps before hitting the keyboard ;D
Sorry but aren't negros genetically gifted regarding muscle gain and such?.... time to check your family tree mate.
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Sorry but aren't black folks be genetically gifted regarding muscle gain and such?....
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Egocrusher looks pretty good carrying 205 at that bf% you got to admit.
Benji is looking thick.....I give em both props for going to the gym period...
Now if we could see a pic of chaos......you know....just to make a comparision ::)
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I'd say he'll post a pic about the same time Satan needs a snow blower.
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Vince, you will never, ever, ever be this lean even for a SHOW. I am this lean all year..24/7/365. Goliath I'm not but putting you beside me is like putting a piece of shit beside a diamond.
If you are going to run your mouth, don't run your mouth about people that own you every way imaginable.
Pal, standing close to your camera may make you look bigger but onstage is different. You have somewhat a half physique but size rules dude and quite honestly, having 14 inch arms isn't going to earn you any blue stars around here. I'm bigger and badder than ever and you'll have to wait like everyone else to see the production model.
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Vince....egocrusher good beat you on stage if he was in a wheelchair ::)
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Egocrusher looks pretty good carrying 205 at that bf% you got to admit.
Benji is looking thick.....I give em both props for going to the gym period...
Now if we could see a pic of chaos......you know....just to make a comparision ::)
there is no comparison, guy :-*
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Pal, standing close to your camera may make you look bigger but onstage is different. You have somewhat a half physique but size rules dude and quite honestly, having 14 inch arms isn't going to earn you any blue stars around here. I'm bigger and badder than ever and you'll have to wait like everyone else to see the production model.
LMAO!!!!!!
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You have somewhat a half physique
Sounds tragic. Which half?
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ive been taking bee pollen. shit works ::)
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Vince, CSN MFT, how is Kevin Levrone's prep for the Olympia coming along? I heard you were training him for it.
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ive been taking bee pollen. shit works ::)
careful Goudy, next you'll have old rooster posting his pic from 1976 next to yours asking who's back is better
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lol it wudnt be a fair comparison unless i put on a bandana.
only playing rooster
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you're looking thick goudy, but these guys are going to rip you up because they are all about conditioning. to hell with size ::)
maybe you could hook them up with your bee pollen guy :D
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Chaos, you have neither size nor conditioning...as far as we know...because you are afraid to post a pic...
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Chaos, you have neither size nor conditioning...as far as we know...because you are afraid to post a pic...
yes...you are right.....i'm so ashamed of myself for not having to justify my online existance to you and old rooster. :'( I look up to you guys so much just because you posted your pics for a bunch of anonymous online characters.
HAHAHAHA yeah right...blow me pillow biter!! not posting a pic for you or anyone else. Only thing I'll give you is conditioning, that's all you got. Kinda sad, even for a lifetime natural.
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......and you have nothing...and are following me around in threads out of JEALOUSY.
It's OK to admit you're envious, Chaos. Accept what you are (inferior) and move on.
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following you around? in one thread? maybe we've met before, but you aren't that memorable so...?
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Any thread where my pics pop up...you do as well.
Envious?
Well, "thou doest protest too much" does come to mind when I read your responses, but I digress...off to do legs...
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Any thread where my pics pop up...you do as well.
Envious?
Well, "thou doest protest too much" does come to mind when I read your responses, but I digress...off to do legs...
as well as you should.... ;D
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You are fat my friend at 265 and my arms are large because I not only train my biceps but also my triceps very hard. I added another 1/2 inch using my "Better Biceps, Better Barbecue Routine" or perhaps you don't remember the article I wrote on MM in 2005.
Honestly, Magoo you're not in my league because once you slim down, your arms will be around 17 or even 16.
::)