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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on May 14, 2007, 06:07:53 AM
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With all due respect, Craig Titus was right in his "Undercover Pro" column. Put a dozen girls on the mall on clen and anavar for 12 weeks and they would look as good as Ms. Figure International. I have friends, family members, and other people I know who meet this criteria.
I could not tell the difference between Ms. Figure International and Ms. Figure Thunder Bay. On the other hand (like Titus said), the difference in quality at the local level VS. the national level for bodybuilding and fitness are both very big.
Discuss.
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This is because it is a beauty contest. It cannot be so much about the physique in the fitness classes.
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exactly been thinking the same thing. many of em look like tanned normal thin women.
i have seen chicks who dont work out look better than the bitches who ingest male hormones and workout 7 days a week.
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With all due respect, Craig Titus was right in his "Undercover Pro" column. Put a dozen girls on the mall on clen and anavar for 12 weeks and they would look as good as Ms. Figure International. I have friends, family members, and other people I know who meet this criteria.
I could not tell the difference between Ms. Figure International and Ms. Figure Thunder Bay. On the other hand (like Titus said), the difference in quality at the local level VS. the national level for bodybuilding and fitness are both very big.
Discuss.
This is because it is a beauty contest. It cannot be so much about the physique in the fitness classes.
Eek, excuse me as I rant ;D
There is a world of difference between local and national/pro level of fitness, which the routines display. Local level you will see girls fumbling around doing some daft looking moves at times, no offence intended. Once you hit the high levels, you will see some outrageous moves; full twisting back flips, extreme flexibility, dynamic strength etc. Some pro fitness girls a couple of Europeans I know for a start, are former Olympic level gymnasts. I highly doubt that an average woman could execute a top class fitness routine without years of intensive training. Fitness competitions definitly look 'beauty pageantry' at first glance, but try some of the moves and you will quickly see they require athleticism.
Now, I would not say your points are invalid with figure, a separate division. But there is a world of difference between the skill and talent level required for the 2 divisions...
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thats gymnastics
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Eek, excuse me as I rant ;D
There is a world of difference between local and national/pro level of fitness, which the routines display. Local level you will see girls fumbling around doing some daft looking moves at times, no offence intended. Once you hit the high levels, you will see some outrageous moves; full twisting back flips, extreme flexibility, dynamic strength etc. Some pro fitness girls a couple of Europeans I know for a start, are former Olympic level gymnasts. I highly doubt that an average woman could execute a top class fitness routine without years of intensive training. Fitness competitions definitly look 'beauty pageantry' at first glance, but try some of the moves and you will quickly see they require athleticism.
Now, I would not say your points are invalid with figure, a separate division. But there is a world of difference between the skill and talent level required for the 2 divisions...
Some of the fitness girls are almost as athletic as the cheerleaders I see on ESPN.
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thats gymnastics
It's fitness Slaveboy, and trust me those girls are very athletic!
One more pic to complete my mini fitness girl meltdown :D
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It's fitness Slaveboy, and trust me those girls are very athletic!
One more pic to complete my mini fitness girl meltdown :D
to be honest i dont even know all the different kinds of fitness events...
some are more like beauty pagents..where its impossible to see any differences in the ladies physiques...just that some are more pretty than others...in some competitions the ladies are allowed to "jump around abit". cant say i understand the concept to 100% lol.
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Don't you just love how you can see that girls spinal cord in the third pic...such a turn on....hahahaha.....fags
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Don't you just love how you can see that girls spinal cord in the third pic...such a turn on....hahahaha.....fags
Are you a chubby chaser?
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hahahahaha, apparently any woman who weighsd over 115 pounds with breasts and hips is chubbly according to penis puffers like Danielson. ::)
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Haha where do these guys come from?
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Are you a chubby chaser?
no, don't worry you are safe
:-*
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hahahahaha, apparently any woman who weighsd over 115 pounds with breasts and hips is chubbly according to penis puffers like Danielson. ::)
Well, I don't like fat girls or their chubby feet like you.
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to be honest i dont even know all the different kinds of fitness events...
some are more like beauty pagents..where its impossible to see any differences in the ladies physiques...just that some are more pretty than others...in some competitions the ladies are allowed to "jump around abit". cant say i understand the concept to 100% lol.
LOL, yeah many people don't ;)
There are 2 totally seperate divisions, figure and fitness, both require the same type of physiques and they both do the quarter turns etc. With figure, that's it...there is no "jumping around", just the bathing suit rounds. Then fitness, there are the bathing suits rounds plus 2 routine rounds, where you have to do various moves, splits, one arm pushups etc..plus many other moves like in the pics I posted.
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Well, I don't like fat girls or their chubby feet like you.
like i said you and i have a different idea of what "fat" is, i persoannl;y don't like visible ribs, clavicles and vertebrae on women but hey, that's just me. ;D
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nice pic tho lol and nice position!
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nice pic tho lol and nice position!
(http://clicktorrent.info/phpAdsNew/adimage.php?filename=500x300_12.jpg&contenttype=jpeg)
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Epic quoting error. ;D
Your comment:
some are more like beauty pagents..where its impossible to see any differences in the ladies physiques...just that some are more pretty than others...in some competitions the ladies are allowed to "jump around abit". cant say i understand the concept to 100% lol.
How long would it take to learn how to do those flips? At the 2007 Ms. International, one girl flipped across the whole stage.
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LOL, yeah many people don't ;)
There are 2 totally seperate divisions, figure and fitness, both require the same type of physiques and they both do the quarter turns etc. With figure, that's it...there is no "jumping around", just the bathing suit rounds. Then fitness, there are the bathing suits rounds plus 2 routine rounds, where you have to do various moves, splits, one arm pushups etc..plus many other moves like in the pics I posted.
would you say fitness women are very horny human beings in general? if they are, im all for it. ;D
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like i said you and i have a different idea of what "fat" is, i persoannl;y don't like visible ribs, clavicles and vertebrae on women but hey, that's just me. ;D
SF, you are a well known chubby chaser around here. It's no big deal, you just prefer a fat bitch to a fit one. You are in the minority though as far as your preferences go, if you don't believe me go to the store and buy a magazine. ;)
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Epic quoting error. ;D
Your comment:
How long would it take to learn how to do those flips? At the 2007 Ms. International, one girl flipped across the whole stage.
lol who gives a shit. but thanks mattD ;D
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With all due respect, Craig Titus was right in his "Undercover Pro" column. Put a dozen girls on the mall on clen and anavar for 12 weeks and they would look as good as Ms. Figure International. I have friends, family members, and other people I know who meet this criteria.
I could not tell the difference between Ms. Figure International and Ms. Figure Thunder Bay. On the other hand (like Titus said), the difference in quality at the local level VS. the national level for bodybuilding and fitness are both very big.
Discuss.
Yes... IF and a big IF they had GOOD genetics and a very well designed training routine/workout. THey would also need previous years of experience of weight training and a spot-on diet during the 12 weeks.
HOWEVER---->
You could NOT take a 22 y/o who had NEVER touched a weight in her life , throw her on clen/OX and expect her to "morph" into Mary Lado.
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(http://clicktorrent.info/phpAdsNew/adimage.php?filename=500x300_12.jpg&contenttype=jpeg)
mars if you post porn dont post the first page ads lol. you cheap fuck. get a password and go dig inside of the perverted temple ;D
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With all due respect, Craig Titus was right in his "Undercover Pro" column. Put a dozen girls on the mall on clen and anavar for 12 weeks and they would look as good as Ms. Figure International. I have friends, family members, and other people I know who meet this criteria.
I could not tell the difference between Ms. Figure International and Ms. Figure Thunder Bay. On the other hand (like Titus said), the difference in quality at the local level VS. the national level for bodybuilding and fitness are both very big.
Discuss.
Indeed fitness takes an incredible amount of athleticism and skill to compete nationally or pro.
All three - figure, fitness, and BB - take alot more than just throwing a girl from the mall on clen and anavar to prepare for and be successful at the level you are talking about. You could do that with a dozen girls at the mall and none of them would turn out looking like most of the Olympia level figure competitors.
:)
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mars if you post porn dont post the first page ads lol. you cheap fuck. get a password and go dig inside of the perverted temple ;D
Hahahaha. i will stud.
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Indeed fitness takes an incredible amount of athleticism and skill to compete nationally or pro.
All three - figure, fitness, and BB - take alot more than just throwing a girl from the mall on clen and anavar to prepare for and be successful at the level you are talking about. You could do that with a dozen girls at the mall and none of them would turn out looking like most of the Olympia level figure competitors.
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rip: how many objects?
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How long would it take to learn how to do those flips? At the 2007 Ms. International, one girl flipped across the whole stage.
Depends on genetic skill level and strength etc I think. Some girls, like Monica Brant started training for them and mastered them in a few years. I personally have been doing it since childhood, 20 odd years and mine still look horrible could be improved :-\
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Don't you just love how you can see that girls spinal cord in the third pic...such a turn on....hahahaha.....fags
vertebrae homes, and she is low body fat and flexing so you will see them. fag
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Hahahaha. i will stud.
i wanna see dyed hairy anuses.
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rip: how many objects?
???
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i wanna see dyed hairy anuses.
What's your favorite genre?
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What's your favorite genre?
rectal baking
where they stick dough inside of a bitches ass
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hahahahahaha, "genre". ;D
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like a master chef spices his food with care, mars spices getbig with porn.
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???
shrimp
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You could NOT take a 22 y/o who had NEVER touched a weight in her life , throw her on clen/OX and expect her to "morph" into Mary Lado.
Have we established what it takes to morph average women into Mary Lado?
Cause, you know, that would be a good thing. ;)
(http://www.stronggirlz.com/MaryL/Pics/Mary0001.jpg)
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rectal baking
where they stick dough inside of a bitches ass
Sounds good, never seen these ones.
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LOL
You guys lost me on this one
Huh?
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figure girls,fitness chicks and FBB suck so much ass.they are all uglier than my hairy indian ass..THEY SUCK PERIOD!!!!!!
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Yes... IF and a big IF they had GOOD genetics and a very well designed training routine/workout. THey would also need previous years of experience of weight training and a spot-on diet during the 12 weeks.
HOWEVER---->
You could NOT take a 22 y/o who had NEVER touched a weight in her life , throw her on clen/OX and expect her to "morph" into Mary Lado.
Uh, yeah you could. I'm pretty sure my older sister could do that. Same with Alexxx's sister. So could tons of other girls I see at the mall, the club, etc.
I'm talking figure, not fitness.
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Indeed fitness takes an incredible amount of athleticism and skill to compete nationally or pro.
All three - figure, fitness, and BB - take alot more than just throwing a girl from the mall on clen and anavar to prepare for and be successful at the level you are talking about. You could do that with a dozen girls at the mall and none of them would turn out looking like most of the Olympia level figure competitors.
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I could show you a dozen girls who go to my university who could look as good as Ms. International in 12 weeks on clen and anavar.
The difference would be literally indistinguishable to the naked eye.
I would liken it to modern art compared to some crap slopped together by a four year old kid. That being said, I am not disrespecting the attractiveness of figure girls - I think they all look pretty damn good! And some would call modern art beautiful so the analogy isn't that bad. :)
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I'm talking figure, not fitness.
Yay! ;D
Excuse my ranting earlier, but there is just such a vast difference of skill/fitness level and training required for fitness over figure that I have a real pet peeve about the two being considered the 'same'.
As far as putting some 'regular' girls up onstage, I'm sure I'll catch heat for this, but at a beginner/local level I agree. I know a couple of girls who just have great bodies naturally and I swear I could protan them, slap them in a suit and put them onstage tonight...and they would hold their own in figure, at a *beginner/local* level only. At the pro level though, I would disagree. It may look so initially, but all the finer points the pro figure girls have achieved such as overall shape, v-tapers, conditioning, glute/ham tie-ins etc...takes alot of work to achieve. Alot...
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LOL
You guys lost me on this one
Huh?
alicia, tell us more about you. what are your hobbies, what motivates you in life?
whats your shoe size etc?
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Yay! ;D
Excuse my ranting earlier, but there is just such a vast difference of skill/fitness level and training required for fitness over figure that I have a real pet peeve about the two being considered the 'same'.
As far as putting some 'regular' girls up onstage, I'm sure I'll catch heat for this, but at a beginner/local level I agree. I know a couple of girls who just have great bodies naturally and I swear I could protan them, slap them in a suit and put them onstage tonight...and they would hold their own in figure, at a *beginner/local* level only. At the pro level though, I would disagree. It may look so initially, but all the finer points the pro figure girls have achieved such as overall shape, v-tapers, conditioning, glute/ham tie-ins etc...takes alot of work to achieve. Alot...
CQ: do you like straight leg deadlifts?
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I would disagree. It may look so initially, but all the finer points the pro figure girls have achieved such as overall shape, v-tapers, conditioning, glute/ham tie-ins etc...takes alot of work to achieve. Alot...
I would argue that it takes a lot of work to achieve something that is still not very visually noticeable at all. Again going back to the example of some modern art masterpiece compared to something done by a four year old kid, and even then, most wouldn't notice.
No disrespect, I think figure girls are a lot more appealing than female bodybuilders who do require a lot more work to develop their physiques.
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alicia, tell us more about you. what are your hobbies, what motivates you in life?
whats your shoe size etc?
OK! If you really mean it! ;D ... I'm not really *new* here, I read but never post...?
I live in NYC, I'm 30, 5'10, I love sports (especially baseball!!! YANKEES) and I compete 100% NATURAL in figure competitions!
My background is gymnastics...I never work out arms...and I am addicted to Oreos from the freezer!
I eat them pre-competition!
The only supplements I take are from bsn
I live for bikinis and Brazilians...and I don't mean the people.
I have no aspirations in this sport other than to have fun - and that is the honest to god truth. That's why, against the recommendations of the powers-that-be...I REFUSE to "put on more muscle." NO THANKS. I'll just live with what working out consistently results in for my body :)
Thats all...I think!
Carry on... :-*
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Ny women tend to act conceited. :-\
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Ny women tend to act conceited. :-\
Er, no, we don't....
its just that people from outside NY tend to be verrry sensitive...something we NY'ers are NOT.
;)
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On topic...Dina Al Sabah's physique was spot on her last few shows...she is the reason I hired her nutritionist :)
If any of you saw pics of her at her last few shows...perfection!
:)
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The only supplements I take are from bsn
You wouldn't happen to be sponsored by BSN, would you? ::)
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Er, no, we don't....
its just that people from outside NY tend to be verrry sensitive...something we NY'ers are NOT.
;)
yes you are NY women = golddiggers always
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fitness >>> figure
I have way more respect for fitness competitors. It takes way more athletic ability ("athletic" by any definition :))
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Er, no, we don't....
its just that people from outside NY tend to be verrry sensitive...something we NY'ers are NOT.
;)
::)
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fitness >>> figure
I have way more respect for fitness competitors. It takes way more athletic ability ("athletic" by any definition :))
figure >>>>fitness (same benefits , less work ) :)
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fitness >>> figure
I have way more respect for fitness competitors. It takes way more athletic ability ("athletic" by any definition :))
Thanks, and I agree. Figure is far from easy of course, but fitness definitely requires more athletic ability.
figure >>>>fitness (same benefits , less work ) :)
I actually get greater prizes/$$ than the figure competitors, so that doesn't apply in my region. Plus, it's personal satisfaction anyway, from achieving something that I want to do....'the road less traveled'
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This is what I'm talking about...this is a girl I know. Put her on anavar and clen for 12 weeks and no one in the general public as well as 99% of fans of bodybuilding who have a definite eye for bodybuilding would be able to tell the difference between her and Ms. International.
I'm not saying that subtle distinction doesn't take years of work, I'm just saying it is exactly that - subtle.
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This is what I'm talking about...this is a girl I know. Put her on anavar and clen for 12 weeks and no one in the general public as well as 99% of fans of bodybuilding who have a definite eye for bodybuilding would be able to tell the difference between her and Ms. International.
I'm not saying that subtle distinction doesn't take years of work, I'm just saying it is exactly that - subtle.
She would look skinny compared to the pro girls after 12 weeks on anavar and clen. I hear what you're saying, but you're overstating the fact. The overdeveloped delts...rounded glutes with do fat/cellulite lines...those things this girl could not acheive in 12 weeks. Maybe she could do damage at the local level, but at the national level she'd need more time.
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I agree with Benny, at a local level, without really seeing what the rest of her body looks like, I would say she could maybe hold her own in figure after 12 weeks of intensive work...but at the ASC level no way. I think your earlier point was good Matt, that some things which may appear to not be that hard, actually are. Below, are pics of the figure competitor who placed 5th in the ASC.....attaining this physique takes a huge amount of effort, time etc..and barring some super human genetics would take years of concentrated efforts..
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This is what I'm talking about...this is a girl I know. Put her on anavar and clen for 12 weeks and no one in the general public as well as 99% of fans of bodybuilding who have a definite eye for bodybuilding would be able to tell the difference between her and Ms. International.
I'm not saying that subtle distinction doesn't take years of work, I'm just saying it is exactly that - subtle.
No way. And you know this how Matt? Because you have performed this "experiment" with SO many women? Because you have prepped soooooo many figure/fitness girls???
I love it when a drug free for life like yourself who has NEVER prepped a single female for a national level show before tries to make some outrageous claim.
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These "women" look horrible, short, skinny, no ass, no tits, no life.
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I think Valerie [pictured] is beautiful. The shredded onstage look is not everyone's preference of course, but one thing about looking like that onstage means you walk around offseason with a seriously nice toned physique imo. Same girl, in an offstage condition:
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I think Valerie [pictured] is beautiful. The shredded onstage look is not everyone's preference of course, but one thing about looking like that onstage means you walk around offseason with a seriously nice toned physique imo. Same girl, in an offstage condition:
Agreed..... HOWEVER unfortunately MANY girls who get into excellent condition for shows usually hit rock bottom with in 8 weeks a/f their show. You see a pic of them from their show and a current pic of them and think wow cant be the same girl. Ive seen some girls pack on 30 plus lbs. We are talking girls who are 5'2-5'5.
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Depends on genetic skill level and strength etc I think. Some girls, like Monica Brant started training for them and mastered them in a few years. I personally have been doing it since childhood, 20 odd years and mine still look horrible could be improved :-\
I agree, CQ. Depends on the person. For me, it took about a year to pick up most of the basics (round off back handsprings, standing back tucks, aerials). But, that was working one-on-one with a coach 3x/week.
I also see the author of the thread's point of view about figure. I think it started off as something good, ie, fitness physique without the routine. However, it has morphed into something completely different: a competition where bone structure is the primary judging criteria.
And, I have known trainers who have taken girls that never really trained, put them on anavar, clen, GH, test site injections, etc.............and they swept all the local and regional shows...........for a short time. After 3-4 shows, the drug use really started to show (along with the lack of consistency in training), and the placings started to drop. Then? It was time for the trainers to pick another scrawny girl and start from scratch.
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CQ: do you like straight leg deadlifts
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I agree with Benny, at a local level, without really seeing what the rest of her body looks like, I would say she could maybe hold her own in figure after 12 weeks of intensive work...but at the ASC level no way. I think your earlier point was good Matt, that some things which may appear to not be that hard, actually are. Below, are pics of the figure competitor who placed 5th in the ASC.....attaining this physique takes a huge amount of effort, time etc..and barring some super human genetics would take years of concentrated efforts..
INCREDIBLE pics of Valerie, she is amazing!
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CQ: do you like straight leg deadlifts
I dread to think why you could be asking this [;D] but yes I do, I find them highly effective.
I agree, CQ. Depends on the person. For me, it took about a year to pick up most of the basics (round off back handsprings, standing back tucks, aerials). But, that was working one-on-one with a coach 3x/week.
Wow, I hate you, 1 year to learn those moves is excellent! Good for you.
I also see the author of the thread's point of view about figure. I think it started off as something good, ie, fitness physique without the routine. However, it has morphed into something completely different: a competition where bone structure is the primary judging criteria.
And, I have known trainers who have taken girls that never really trained, put them on anavar, clen, GH, test site injections, etc.............and they swept all the local and regional shows...........for a short time. After 3-4 shows, the drug use really started to show (along with the lack of consistency in training), and the placings started to drop. Then? It was time for the trainers to pick another scrawny girl and start from scratch.
It seems not politically correct to say, but I see his point of view as well. Like you, I've seen that same thing. Also with figure I find even attempting to sort out the judging to be fruitless, as it gives the word subjective a whole new meaning.
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this shit is so gay. YOu have to have some seriouis muscle dimorphia to wanna see a woman dieted down to the point wehre she has no ass and no tittys and all in the nameo f having a taper v. This shit is retarted. A woman's body means ass and tits, and curvets not big shoulders no hips and no tits.
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this shit is so gay. YOu have to have some seriouis muscle dimorphia to wanna see a woman dieted down to the point wehre she has no ass and no tittys and all in the nameo f having a taper v. This shit is retarted. A woman's body means ass and tits, and curvets not big shoulders no hips and no tits.
bump for the truth
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Aww...did some girl from NYC cuss you out and break your heart?
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Aww...did some girl from NYC cuss you out and break your heart?
Probably some mutt from the Bronx.
Er, no, we don't....
its just that people from outside NY tend to be verrry sensitive...something we NY'ers are NOT.
Bullshit. With the exception of the city and certain areas of Queens and Brooklyn, NYC is pretty much a shithole. Nothing to do with sensitivity and everything to do with rude people who aren't too smart.
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Probably some mutt from the Bronx.
Bullshit. With the exception of the city and certain areas of Queens and Brooklyn, NYC is pretty much a shithole. Nothing to do with sensitivity and everything to do with rude people who aren't too smart.
Thanks for sharing.
It's good to know New Yorkers won't have to worry about sharing the streets with awesome person like you. ::)
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OK! If you really mean it! ;D ... I'm not really *new* here, I read but never post...?
I live in NYC, I'm 30, 5'10, I love sports (especially baseball!!! YANKEES) and I compete 100% NATURAL in figure competitions!
My background is gymnastics...I never work out arms...and I am addicted to Oreos from the freezer!
I eat them pre-competition!
The only supplements I take are from bsn
I live for bikinis and Brazilians...and I don't mean the people.
I have no aspirations in this sport other than to have fun - and that is the honest to god truth. That's why, against the recommendations of the powers-that-be...I REFUSE to "put on more muscle." NO THANKS. I'll just live with what working out consistently results in for my body :)
Thats all...I think!
Carry on... :-*
Ha ha ha! You forgot your horoscope sign, favorite color, hobbies & stuff like that. Please go on ::)
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Thanks for sharing.
It's good to know New Yorkers won't have to worry about sharing the streets with awesome person like you. ::)
They already have the privilege.
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It's fitness Slaveboy, and trust me those girls are very athletic!
One more pic to complete my mini fitness girl meltdown :D
I agree with CQ. The Fitness girls are athletic, unlike the men (pro bbers).
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They already have the privilege.
And believe me, they appreciate it! ;)