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Title: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:32:08 AM
I want to buy one of this, im still not sure which one, what do you think is better for building muscle?  I dont have a spotter so the smith would be more safe, but free weights are also great.  the first one costs 175 euro, the smith 500 euro.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: wala on June 23, 2007, 10:33:45 AM
Man, I go with raw squat all day!

Smiths are for fannys
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Post by: willie mosconi on June 23, 2007, 10:33:55 AM
go with the free rack. much cheaper and you'll stick get a great workout
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:35:13 AM
Man, I go with raw squat all day!

Smiths are for fannys

yes im going for that one, but wanted some advice, i can do all excersizes with this, also shoulder presses,im gonna buy a nice bench for it too with a olympic bar. and its much cheaper then the smith.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:36:23 AM
go with the free rack. much cheaper and you'll stick get a great workout
yes its a ncie equipment, did you see you have the bench handles also on that one.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:38:46 AM
gonna buy this set with it, nice stuff, for 250 euro.
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Post by: Dballn247 on June 23, 2007, 10:41:05 AM
I would go with the free weight set up as I realize that I am lazy when it comes to maintaining things.  Inexpensive smith machines are notorious for problems with binding and bad bearing later on down the road.  If you are mechanically inclined and don't mind performing quarterly maintanence on it a smith machine is a very versatile piece of equipment to have.  With the quasi power rack set up your looking at you can pretty much do it all as well.  

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Post by: wala on June 23, 2007, 10:41:29 AM
250 euro? is that dear??

You need more plates than that i think..?
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:45:28 AM
250 euro? is that dear??

You need more plates than that i think..?

thats 140 kg of weight, its enough for me now.
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Post by: Bluto on June 23, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
i'd go for the first one

if safety is an issue do front squats ronnie style

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Post by: wala on June 23, 2007, 10:47:40 AM
thats 140 kg of weight, its enough for me now.
Yeh, thats a fair weight. and not much money to add to the weight when needed..  looks like you'll have a good home gym dude
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:52:41 AM
I would go with the free weight set up as I realize that I am lazy when it comes to maintaining things.  Inexpensive smith machines are notorious for problems with binding and bad bearing later on down the road.  If you are mechanically inclined and don't mind performing quarterly maintanence on it a smith machine is a very versatile piece of equipment to have.  With the quasi power rack set up your looking at you can pretty much do it all as well.  




Yes smithmachine can get boring, with the simple movement also, which bench out of these 2 would you buy for the rack? first one 95 euro second 195 euro.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:54:41 AM
Yeh, thats a fair weight. and not much money to add to the weight when needed..  looks like you'll have a good home gym dude

yes, im gonna enjoy this very much, sometimes im too lazy to go to the gym, and i have the best energy for training late in the evening when the gym is closed, gonna save me much money in the long run, i pay 70 euro a month in the gym.
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Post by: wala on June 23, 2007, 10:56:14 AM
yes, im gonna enjoy this very much, sometimes im too lazy to go to the gym, and i have the best energy for training late in the evening when the gym is closed, gonna save me much money in the long run, i pay 70 euro a month in the gym.

yeh man, thats good! keep saving that amount every month and in no time you'll be able to buy some top gear for your gym!
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Post by: Bluto on June 23, 2007, 10:57:16 AM
yes, im gonna enjoy this very much, sometimes im too lazy to go to the gym, and i have the best energy for training late in the evening when the gym is closed, gonna save me much money in the long run, i pay 70 euro a month in the gym.

dont forget some money for gym fashion

just because you work out at home is no reason not to dress for the occasion

its about feeling good and looking good
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Post by: ManBearPig... on June 23, 2007, 10:58:45 AM
due to my massive hate of persians, i'm also gonna get a home gym eventually.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 10:59:48 AM
due to my massive hate of persians, i'm also gonna get a home gym eventually.

ha ha
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 11:02:12 AM
Theyre different but youll need a free standing rack for more movements the smith will limit you all though there is this awesome smith machine, that I have NEVER seen anywhere else, that allows you to do a free movement too! It has an extra attachment so when you move the weight it also moves horizontally its fucking amazing. If anything id recommend that if you can find it its safe and you can do whatever you want.. its tougher than the free standing too because it forces you to balance the weight more actually.

ive seen video of that, it looks stupid, and its very very expensive.  i also have all the movements on the free weight rack, its also made for benching,it got front handles with pins. so thats a big plus
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 12:14:51 PM
It might look stupid but its pretty sweet! I liked it anyway...
that shit costs 2000 euro, waste of money if you ask me, just too expensive.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 23, 2007, 12:18:03 PM
what do you guys think of this one, its not too expensive also 195 euro.
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Post by: jr on June 23, 2007, 05:30:29 PM
what do you guys think of this one, its not too expensive also 195 euro.

That squat cage is probably the most versatile out of the lot. Also get circular plates rather than the polygon ones in that weight set.
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Post by: Cee21Jay on June 23, 2007, 05:37:27 PM
what do you guys think of this one, its not too expensive also 195 euro.

This one looks the best.  Get some bumper plates if you are going to do heavy lunges.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: dr.chimps on June 23, 2007, 05:53:01 PM
I want to buy one of this, im still not sure which one, what do you think is better for building muscle?  I dont have a spotter so the smith would be more safe, but free weights are also great.  the first one costs 175 euro, the smith 500 euro.
Hmmm. The first one has more room for your hatchet collection.  :D
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Post by: onlyme on June 23, 2007, 06:23:42 PM
That squat rack above is for home use it looks like.  It won't be to sturdy with heavyweight
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Post by: CARTEL on June 23, 2007, 06:58:39 PM
Don't forget that you'll probably need a pretty big ash tray for your home gym.

And a hatchet holster for "Old Choppy".
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Post by: Get Rowdy on June 24, 2007, 02:30:27 AM
Don't forget that you'll probably need a pretty big ash tray for your home gym.

And a hatchet holster for "Old Choppy".

hahahaha gotta protect himself during the workout
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: MAXX on June 24, 2007, 03:03:33 AM
what do you guys think of this one, its not too expensive also 195 euro.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156052.0;attach=175385;image)
i would go for this one. good when you train alone.  because you can go to failure on squats and bench presses and then if you can't get the last rep up just drop the barbell on the safety bars. safety bars are good for barbell shrugs to.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 04:16:46 AM
i would go for this one. good when you train alone.  because you can go to failure on squats and bench presses and then if you can't get the last rep up just drop the barbell on the safety bars. safety bars are good for barbell shrugs to.

yes i think this one is the best because of the safety issue, i like to do heavy lunges, and the workout is gonna be better, if i can go all out not worry too much about the safety if i should slip. but im still confused about the bench safety, i like to do  full range of motion, and the safety pins can get in the way, if you go all the way down??
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 04:23:05 AM
That squat cage is probably the most versatile out of the lot. Also get circular plates rather than the polygon ones in that weight set.

why are normal plates better?  These coloured plates showed on the pic, are with a rubber coat on the outside, they make less noise and are nicer to pick up. There is no real difference with the normal ones???
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Post by: MAXX on June 24, 2007, 04:27:14 AM
yes i think this one is the best because of the safety issue, i like to do heavy lunges, and the workout is gonna be better, if i can go all out not worry too much about the safety if i should slip. but im still confused about the bench safety, i like to do  full range of motion, and the safety pins can get in the way, if you go all the way down??
no they are not in the way. cause when you bench you puch your chest out. it works for me anyway.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 04:27:47 AM
That squat rack above is for home use it looks like.  It won't be to sturdy with heavyweight
have you seen the squat cage pic i posted?
which one would you buy if you trained alone? the squat rack or the squat cage??   whats sturdy?  i first wanted the squat-rack, but now when i think of it, the cage is better because of the safety, they both look solid for heavy weights.
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Post by: Dballn247 on June 24, 2007, 04:29:44 AM
why are normal plates better?  These coloured plates showed on the pic, are with a rubber coat on the outside, they make less noise and are nicer to pick up. There is no real difference with the normal ones???

Well I don't know how far you want to go with this, but as you progress and start to accumulate more weights it will be easier to match a set of round weights as opposed to shaped weights.  If you don't ever think you'll exceed the weight that came with the set, get the set. 
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Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 04:30:04 AM
no they are not in the way. cause when you bench you puch your chest out. it works for me anyway.

you mean the pins are very close to your chest? so if you cant complete the last rep you drop it on the pins that are just slightly above your chest??  thanks for the replies guys. ill go with the squat-cage.
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Post by: MAXX on June 24, 2007, 04:31:27 AM
just get the set + 2* 45's and you'll be set
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 04:33:29 AM
Well I don't know how far you want to go with this, but as you progress and start to accumulate more weights it will be easier to match a set of round weights as opposed to shaped weights.  If you don't ever think you'll exceed the weight that came with the set, get the set. 

right now i can only do deadlift's sligthly over 140 kg, but with 140 kg for lunges, squats and bench i think i can take ages till i need more weight. But i can always buy 2 blue weights of 20 kg with it, i like the rubber weights far better, they make no sound.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 04:38:08 AM
hey that olympic bar is fuckin 220 cm long, i think ill go with the 180cm, a shorter one.
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Post by: Frauhorn on June 24, 2007, 04:55:08 AM
have you seen the squat cage pic i posted?
which one would you buy if you trained alone? the squat rack or the squat cage??   whats sturdy?  i first wanted the squat-rack, but now when i think of it, the cage is better because of the safety, they both look solid for heavy weights.

yeah man def get the cage. its got the safety bars, + you can do chin ups on it, + you can cover it in a sheet and its your own little cubby house
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Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 05:06:07 AM
yeah man def get the cage. its got the safety bars, + you can do chin ups on it, + you can cover it in a sheet and its your own little cubby house

ha ha thats great man.
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Post by: phreak on June 24, 2007, 05:14:28 AM
hey that olympic bar is fuckin 220 cm long, i think ill go with the 180cm, a shorter one.
Might not fit into the rack then. Measure first.
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Post by: Dballn247 on June 24, 2007, 05:15:35 AM
Just make sure that your floor is strong enough to support it.  I wouldn't think of loading a bench with 315 on an apartment floor let alone get under it.  If your in a house or have cement floors you should be ok.  But ground floor > all.
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Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 05:29:13 AM
Just make sure that your floor is strong enough to support it.  I wouldn't think of loading a bench with 315 on an apartment floor let alone get under it.  If your in a house or have cement floors you should be ok.  But ground floor > all.

ha ha didnt think of that yet, im on the first floor, not on the ground, its a building, but im sure its cement under my feet, ill take my chances.
Title: Re: Which equipment is better out of these 2 ??
Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 05:31:41 AM
Might not fit into the rack then. Measure first.
the guys at the store know that, ill ask for avice.
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Post by: EL Mariachi on June 24, 2007, 05:32:47 AM
im more concerned about the safety pins, they dont look that thick. they also have this one for 395 euro, looks more solid, but overall too expensive, i have to buy a solid bench-seat too.
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Post by: EL Mariachi on July 01, 2007, 04:20:38 PM
So i ordered this better cage, when i went to the place the cheaper cage was too small inside, no space, had to go with the one twice as expensive, with a real nice bench. The shit will come in 2weeks from now. this is gonna be it for now.