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What say you?
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Money buys it all.
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Synthol.
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I noticed that too....
Who would have thought, steroids in golf....
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What say you?
Why are you comparing him when he was like 14 in the first pic and 30 in the last? Thats like comparing Mark McGwire when he started with the A's and when he retired in St. Louis and saying it was drugs that made him bigger.
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Who knows if he's "on" but in all fairness the first pic was probably taken when he was 15
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who has that article that claims he benches 315 for 8
i lold when a read that piece of crap
he has a good build..but i doubt he can bench 315 for 8
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its funny someone posted this, about a year ago, tiger looked chunky or beefy as if he had been working out, low and behold, as I saw him march down the fairway in a white shirt, I clearly saw test related gyno...............its no secret to me, I myself believe tiger uses steroids once or twice a year.
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Why are you comparing him when he was like 14 in the first pic and 30 in the last? Thats like comparing Mark McGwire when he started with the A's and when he retired in St. Louis and saying it was drugs that made him bigger.
that's like saying Barry Bonds' head and feet grew from .... ah shit, cancel that...
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that's like saying Barry Bonds' head and feet grew from .... ah shit, cancel that...
Although we all know Bonds was on, it still has yet to be proven, he's passed all tests givin by the MLB, but again, the hat thing was compared to from over 20 years ago till present!!
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I personally feel tiger has been using anabolics for years now, although he keeps it at a minimal perspective, so it wont be noticeable, I came to this conclusion about 2 years ago..........anyone else agree.
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who has that article that claims he benches 315 for 8
i lold when a read that piece of crap
he has a good build..but i doubt he can bench 315 for 8
I don't know...
With tiger, it's about functional strength. The guy's been swinging a golf club since he was a very small child. his arms, shoulders, and chest muscles and all the tendons holding it together faced the daily rigors of a very driven father pushing him, practicing everyday thru the developmental years.
Tiger was a world class athlete in his teens. I'm guessing many olympian athletes in track and field can bench high.
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Although we all know Bonds was on, it still has yet to be proven, he's passed all tests givin by the MLB, but again, the hat thing was compared to from over 20 years ago till present!!
didn't his feet grow a few sizes too? I thought those bones fused by 18 or 20?
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didn't his feet grow a few sizes too? I thought those bones fused by 18 or 20?
How do we really know that? Did someone get into his closet and steal his shoes or into the dressing room to steal his cleats? Again, I'm not saying he wasn't on gear, as far as I'm concerned 70% of the MLB is on gear.
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How do we really know that? Did someone get into his closet and steal his shoes or into the dressing room to steal his cleats? Again, I'm not saying he wasn't on gear, as far as I'm concerned 70% of the MLB is on gear.
I'd say maybe half of them back in the day (mid to late 90s).
I'd say WAY less than 70% today. You probably have a small group with access and balls to use hgh or test... but shooting each other in the ass and having dbol with your steak sandwich at hooters - those ays are over.
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How do we really know that?
The authors of the book on Bonds DARED him to sue them about their information. They begged him. They said they were happy to provide evidence of their growth claims.
Barry used, many guys used. I'm not saying it's wrong... hell, they should probably let everyone use and not talk about it - the media COVERAGE of steroids has done more to grow high school use, than quiet locker room MLB use ever did. You know the baseball players in the pros aren't going to talk about it - and that means the young guys woulnd't emulate it. It's only when the media (both the liberal and conservative press) made a big deal about it that every scrub on every HS team in america wanted to juice.
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I feel new rules should be implemented regarding pro sports and performance enhancers, I feel that during the off-season athletes should be able to use, but come season time, if they test positive, they should be banned for the season. A rule like this would end all the steroid witch hunt and all the crap these olympic commisioners that ban people for life, for taking roids...............and also would level the so-called cheating field.
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Synthol.
All drugs
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tiger could afford the best trainners and nutritionist in the world i bet he could bench what he cliams he's a professional athlete and does what it takes to be the best in the world
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steroids = scare tactics for ratings.
nobody cared that the NFL has used steroids for 30+ years because they just don't talk about it. Players don't write snitch ass books on each other, and the league boots guys rarely and more likely for weed than gear.
steroids scare parents. so they watch the news. which means the media outlets sell ads at higher rates. So, they blow up the story, and everyone in college, then high school, starts doing it. they create the crisis, then they cover it and give themselves a pat on the back for being on the cutting edge of trend coverage. If they didn't talk about it, 99% of kids in america would just be ignorant of the subject, and wouldn't "KNOW" they had to use gear to be in the big leagues.
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tiger could afford the best trainners and nutritionist in the world i bet he could bench what he cliams he's a professional athlete and does what it takes to be the best in the world
imagine a lean steak and salad prepared anytime you wish. a protein shake handed to you when you snap your fingers. trainers/spotters and the best workout equipment in the world in your home, and no need to work a 9-5. and doctors to give you any edge you wish.
tiger's in a good spot.
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Yeah I noticed that too when watching the US Open, he has gotten much bigger and muscular in the last few years.
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Yea Tiger takes steroids. ::) Can you be anymore stupid. It defintiely looks like he has been lifting but he is not taking any kind of anabolics. Why the fuck would he. He is already the best in the world. He is not hitting the ball any further than he ever has. What is he taking them so he can putt better. Lord some of you guys are just plain stupid.
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Yea Tiger takes steroids. ::) Can you be anymore stupid. It defintiely looks like he has been lifting but he is not taking any kind of anabolics. Why the fuck would he. He is already the best in the world. He is not hitting the ball any further than he ever has. What is he taking them so he can putt better. Lord some of you guys are just plain stupid.
Gotta remember Keith, on here if you lift weights, you MUST be on steriods ::)
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No juice... but he is on a good weightlifting/ nutrition program and it shows.
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Yea Tiger takes steroids. ::) Can you be anymore stupid. It defintiely looks like he has been lifting but he is not taking any kind of anabolics. Why the fuck would he. He is already the best in the world. He is not hitting the ball any further than he ever has. What is he taking them so he can putt better. Lord some of you guys are just plain stupid.
yeah ok and John McEnroe didn't take them either.....Oh wait thats right, he admitted it...He was also one of the best in the world at what he did...And countless ping pong players that have tested postive...
Why wouldn't a guy like tiger who is known for working out 3 hours a day just in the weight room alone go and talk to a sports medicine doctor ect. My guess is tiger probably gets his test levels checked on a weekly basis...And when they are low, he has no problem using androgel to bring them up to the upper levels...
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Yea Tiger takes steroids. ::) Can you be anymore stupid. It defintiely looks like he has been lifting but he is not taking any kind of anabolics. Why the fuck would he. He is already the best in the world. He is not hitting the ball any further than he ever has. What is he taking them so he can putt better. Lord some of you guys are just plain stupid.
You calling 240 is back stupid? :o
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Ping pong players on steroids ?
Ball must have become much heavier since the last time I played it
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That kind of physique is sadly not attainable naturally.
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GH15 has mentioned this in an pmq answerd email:
"woods have been improving year to year in size,,,this my frends is not possibl e without the heavy androgen like test/tren,,,yes beleive me he lare using the needle like you me and everyone down the gym,,,look at his arm and face and tittys bloat,,,estro bloat of testo m,,,he has no need of nolva or lasix cause he not competetor on stage like you kno who,,
doctor prescxribed testim angrogel cream 20mg per day,,,every day year round,,
cycling tren 100mg ever 3 days
deca 300mg per week for shoulder,, knee ,,,hip joints
3UI GH
some halotestin for tournaments,,give aggression and focus,,,many many other pro golfer use tooo,,,jus like this cycle or even better... guess??? better beleive it as they say in good ole USA,"
Interesting.
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yeah ok and John McEnroe didn't take them either.....Oh wait thats right, he admitted it...He was also one of the best in the world at what he did...And countless ping pong players that have tested postive...
Why wouldn't a guy like tiger who is known for working out 3 hours a day just in the weight room alone go and talk to a sports medicine doctor ect. My guess is tiger probably gets his test levels checked on a weekly basis...And when they are low, he has no problem using androgel to bring them up to the upper levels...
Wow you just proved Tiger takes steroids. You are good ::)
Tell me why Tiger would take steroids. Hope you don't say to hit the ball farther. And I haven't heard of the drug that makes you putt better. Did you hear of one that keeps the ball out of the traps we haven't heard off. Or maybe he is taking the drug that automatically cuts 10 strokes off his score. Please tell me why he would take them and what is he taking. Thanks, I just want to know your inside information.
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Wow you just proved Tiger takes steroids. You are good ::)
Tell me why Tiger would take steroids. Hope you don't say to hit the ball farther. And I haven't heard of the drug that makes you putt better. Did you hear of one that keeps the ball out of the traps we haven't heard off. Or maybe he is taking the drug that automatically cuts 10 strokes off his score. Please tell me why he would take them and what is he taking. Thanks, I just want to know your inside information.
thank you onlyme these guys dont know shit hes not that big and having all that money and a decent workout regimen along with a good nutrition program peolple that dont know shit are quick to say juice when they are lazy and dont follow through with the basics any arguements?
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ah, no. i didn't say tiger used. tiger has been swinging a club since he was very little - which makes me not doubt the huge bench press number. and tiger has every advantage in training and nutrition at his home - he looks like it. if i had to bet the rent check, i'd say tiger does not use.
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I don't know...
With tiger, it's about functional strength. The guy's been swinging a golf club since he was a very small child. his arms, shoulders, and chest muscles and all the tendons holding it together faced the daily rigors of a very driven father pushing him, practicing everyday thru the developmental years.
Tiger was a world class athlete in his teens. I'm guessing many olympian athletes in track and field can bench high.
What does Olympic track and field athletes have to do with Tiger Woods?
-Hedge
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Although we all know Bonds was on, it still has yet to be proven, he's passed all tests givin by the MLB, but again, the hat thing was compared to from over 20 years ago till present!!
'Struth. His hat size is, last I heard, 9 1/4!!! That is one ginormous noggin. People's heads do not grow like that for no reason, unless they're one of those hydrocephalus cases.
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What does Olympic track and field athletes have to do with Tiger Woods?
-Hedge
those athletes also start at early ages, eat and sleep better than their peers, and train for strength purposes during the formative growing years.
all things equal, the child who trains for competitive golf or competitive track/field will have a stronger physical base should he climb on the bench press for the first time at age 20, compared with the average untrained guy who tries for the first time at age 20
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Yea Tiger takes steroids. ::) Can you be anymore stupid. It defintiely looks like he has been lifting but he is not taking any kind of anabolics. Why the fuck would he. He is already the best in the world. He is not hitting the ball any further than he ever has. What is he taking them so he can putt better. Lord some of you guys are just plain stupid.
exactly, for any morons in here who think Tiger woods is on steroids is beyond comprehension ;D ;D
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You guys seriously are accusing Tiger of using steroids? He is the top earning single athlete in the world, do you think he would jepordize that for AAS? The guy is worth over a hundred million dollars... that much money can buy the best trainers, equipment, food and supplements
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hahahahaha, brutal 13 inch arms and 38 inch chest on Tiger.
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hahahahaha, brutal 13 inch arms and 38 inch chest on Tiger.
Yeah......it matches his brutal billion in the bank :D
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Yeah......it matches his brutal billion in the bank :D
he's still a skinny mulatto geek, hahahaha.
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he's still a skinny mulatto geek, hahahaha.
I'd be more than happy to swap my size for his billions and if you take a look at his wife, I'd say having the cash would be a pretty good exchange.
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Bonds is handling his "steroid" issue exactly the right way.No need to sue a couple of jerkoff writers who claim that synthol is a drug and had MANY other mistakes in their book.The third grand jury expires next month and once again WILL NOT come away with an indictment.Bonds is a million times smarter then Giambi,who told the truth and is being destroyed because of it.The Clinton campaigns said it best "deny,deny,deny".
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Tiger has definately gotten bigger in the last couple of years and he looks good. I think he wants to be seen as a top athlete and this has motivated him to get in such great shape, because his golf game hasn't improved in the last couple of years. It's all about the image and endorsements, just ask Jordan or Agassi.
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http://www.golfdigest.com/features/index.ssf?/features/gd200408tigerworkout.html
(Some people who have seen him work out estimate he can bench-press about 300 pounds.)
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Steroids.
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(Some people who have seen him work out estimate he can bench-press about 300 pounds.)
Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Forget about tiger, I believe that Michelle Wie (sp) is taking something. She was a lot smaller last year. Also she has been getting injured a lot lately which is a clear sign of steroid use. She has also showed signs of roid rage this year. Just because you take gear doesnt mean its going to improve your swing Michelle Wie. I hope onlyme doesnt get mad at this post because Michelle and Onlyme has coffee every morning with Tiger Woods.
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zen bodybuilding
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Forget about tiger, I believe that Michelle Wie (sp) is taking something. She was a lot smaller last year. Also she has been getting injured a lot lately which is a clear sign of steroid use. She has also showed signs of roid rage this year. Just because you take gear doesnt mean its going to improve your swing Michelle Wie. I hope onlyme doesnt get mad at this post because Michelle and Onlyme has coffee every morning with Tiger Woods.
damn, michelle wie would look better with a hot load on her face
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damn, michelle wie would look better with a hot load on her face
She is only like 16-17 ???
Monster jailbait :o
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She is only like 16-17 ???
Monster jailbait :o
Not in my state ;D
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id say it's dave henry in the second picture.
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(http://content-golf.live.advance.net/images/gd200408/tigerworkout4.jpg)
BRUTAL BENCHING 2 QUARTERS!!!
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Wow you just proved Tiger takes steroids. You are good ::)
Tell me why Tiger would take steroids. Hope you don't say to hit the ball farther. And I haven't heard of the drug that makes you putt better. Did you hear of one that keeps the ball out of the traps we haven't heard off. Or maybe he is taking the drug that automatically cuts 10 strokes off his score. Please tell me why he would take them and what is he taking. Thanks, I just want to know your inside information.
Im not saying he is using, its just that you are saying that anyone that thinks he is stupid...Based on everything we know today about athletes in every single sport out there, why would it be so diff/ to believe that Tiger is using something...He could use androgel to keep his test levels at the top range of normal and still not be considered 'using'...
Let me ask you this...Tiger used steel shafts for over 20 years...Why did he stop using steel shafts as of last year on his driver? Why did he change his swing that worked so well for him over the years?...Why did he change coaches ect?...The fact is, he won with steel shafts, he won with Butch Harman as his swing coach, and he won with a totally diff swing....Yet he changed all these things...And the reason he did this was he felt he could get a better edge doing so....Tiger last year stopped using his Nike driver and used a diff/brand driver(that was unmarked) Why do you think he did that? He was winning with his Nike driver all these years...Even when Phil Mickelson was making fun of Tigers Equipment, he was winning
Tiger Woods is a guy who has won all his life but is now a guy who is always looking for a edge...If the things i listed above don't spell that out then i don't know what the fck would...Oh yeah and he has added over an inch in his upper body over the last year...
Do i think Tiger is using some kind of hormone? I don't know...But to say that anyone that thinks he is---is stupid......Well that statement alone is Stupid...
When 95% of all olympic athletes are using hormones and/or hormone related products... And they know how to dodge, bob and weave to pass doping tests....Why on earth would it be so hard to believe that a man that is worth over a quarter of a billion dollars and doesn't have to even take a test, would not even considered getting an edge in the form of hormones...
And one more thing...If tennis players have been known to use...Ping pong players have been known to use and tested positive...Why couldn't a golf player? And do you really believe that swing speed means nothing in golf? WOW!
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Ping pong players on steroids ?
Ball must have become much heavier since the last time I played it
exactly...Google it and see how many players tested positive in the past...If no one tested positive, then guys like Olyme would be on here saying how stupid it is to say ping pong players use steroids....Or tennis players...John fcking McEnroe has stated on a 60 minutes type show that he used them...And that he was/is not the only one...
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thank you onlyme these guys dont know shit hes not that big and having all that money and a decent workout regimen along with a good nutrition program peolple that dont know shit are quick to say juice when they are lazy and dont follow through with the basics any arguements?
muscle size isn't the end all be all when it comes to hormone use...In some cases its a side effect...See Woman's Tennis...
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Im not saying he is using, its just that you are saying that anyone that thinks he is stupid...Based on everything we know today about athletes in every single sport out there, why would it be so diff/ to believe that Tiger is using something...He could use androgel to keep his test levels at the top range of normal and still not be considered 'using'...
Let me ask you this...Tiger used steel shafts for over 20 years...Why did he stop using steel shafts as of last year on his driver? Why did he change his swing that worked so well for him over the years?...Why did he change coaches ect?...The fact is, he won with steel shafts, he won with Butch Harman as his swing coach, and he won with a totally diff swing....Yet he changed all these things...And the reason he did this was he felt he could get a better edge doing so....Tiger last year stopped using his Nike driver and used a diff/brand driver(that was unmarked) Why do you think he did that? He was winning with his Nike driver all these years...Even when Phil Mickelson was making fun of Tigers Equipment, he was winning
Tiger Woods is a guy who has won all his life but is now a guy who is always looking for a edge...If the things i listed above don't spell that out then i don't know what the fck would...Oh yeah and he has added over an inch in his upper body over the last year...
Do i think Tiger is using some kind of hormone? I don't know...But to say that anyone that thinks he is---is stupid......Well that statement alone is Stupid...
When 95% of all olympic athletes are using hormones and/or hormone related products... And they know how to dodge, bob and weave to pass doping tests....Why on earth would it be so hard to believe that a man that is worth over a quarter of a billion dollars and doesn't have to even take a test, would not even considered getting an edge in the form of hormones...
And one more thing...If tennis players have been known to use...Ping pong players have been known to use and tested positive...Why couldn't a golf player? And do you really believe that swing speed means nothing in golf? WOW!
When Tiger first came on tour, he used an old Cobra King driver.
He used it for a few years, and then he switched to a Titleist Titanium. After that, he switched to Nike.
You claim 95% of all Olympic athletes are using hormones?
That's a very bold statement, and likely not true.
Why isn't it true? Because the results in many events are down since the 80's and the 90's.
And not only are the results down, but the athletes in eg javelin aren't as beefed up as before.
The same with weightlifting and other sports.
Of course, hormone doping still exists, but I highly doubt that 95% is using.
If you have any source for that claim, I would be interested in seeing it.
-Hedge
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oh and anyone that listens to and/or watches ESPN's Mike and Mike in the morning knows that bodybuilding boards aren't the only people that are bringing up the issue of Tiger Woods using steroids..Here on the east coast its been talked about over and over on talk radio...
The fact is almost everyone loves Tiger Woods and because of that, most don't even want to consider that he would use hormones...Its even made guys like Olyme who should know better sling out words like "stupid" ect...
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When Tiger first came on tour, he used an old Cobra King driver.
He used it for a few years, and then he switched to a Titleist Titanium. After that, he switched to Nike.
You claim 95% of all Olympic athletes are using hormones?
That's a very bold statement, and likely not true.
Why isn't it true? Because the results in many events are down since the 80's and the 90's.
And not only are the results down, but the athletes in eg javelin aren't as beefed up as before.
The same with weightlifting and other sports.
Of course, hormone doping still exists, but I highly doubt that 95% is using.
If you have any source for that claim, I would be interested in seeing it.
-Hedge
My statements about what kind of clubs Tiger was using was only brought up to olyme for the fact that Tiger is now always looking for an edge(like anyone else)...If strength and ball length didn't matter in the sport, then you would see guys who win not change a thing...Tiger is always changing everything about his game...Does that mean he uses steroids. No. But it shows that he is always looking for an edge...So my belief is its not stupid to say that Tiger Woods would consider using hormones...
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I clearly had viewed him with a flared case of gyno a couple of years ago, its no secret professional athletes use performance enhancers. Just like in the nba, up until 1997, stanozol and nandralone were not on the banned substances list...........which tells you right there alot of players including jordan used, a guy that was a trainer for the bulls claimed jordan only used during times of injury...mainly winstrol, since it wasnt banned by the nba..........so dont you think since jordan and tiger are close, that he has shared some secretes to getting an edge.
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Im not saying he is using, its just that you are saying that anyone that thinks he is stupid...Based on everything we know today about athletes in every single sport out there, why would it be so diff/ to believe that Tiger is using something...He could use androgel to keep his test levels at the top range of normal and still not be considered 'using'...
Let me ask you this...Tiger used steel shafts for over 20 years...Why did he stop using steel shafts as of last year on his driver? Why did he change his swing that worked so well for him over the years?...Why did he change coaches ect?...The fact is, he won with steel shafts, he won with Butch Harman as his swing coach, and he won with a totally diff swing....Yet he changed all these things...And the reason he did this was he felt he could get a better edge doing so....Tiger last year stopped using his Nike driver and used a diff/brand driver(that was unmarked) Why do you think he did that? He was winning with his Nike driver all these years...Even when Phil Mickelson was making fun of Tigers Equipment, he was winning
Tiger Woods is a guy who has won all his life but is now a guy who is always looking for a edge...If the things i listed above don't spell that out then i don't know what the fck would...Oh yeah and he has added over an inch in his upper body over the last year...
Do i think Tiger is using some kind of hormone? I don't know...But to say that anyone that thinks he is---is stupid......Well that statement alone is Stupid...
When 95% of all olympic athletes are using hormones and/or hormone related products... And they know how to dodge, bob and weave to pass doping tests....Why on earth would it be so hard to believe that a man that is worth over a quarter of a billion dollars and doesn't have to even take a test, would not even considered getting an edge in the form of hormones...
And one more thing...If tennis players have been known to use...Ping pong players have been known to use and tested positive...Why couldn't a golf player? And do you really believe that swing speed means nothing in golf? WOW!
Jeez from all these facts you must be right, he is using roids. ::) Why would he change anything. He won every event he ever played in before. He never lost a round and didn't he have 100 hole in ones too. I mean why would anyone change when he was the best and was so good no one would play against him. Oh I get it, he figured if he took some steroids he could break the 500 yard drive and hit a par 5 in 1 shot. You are right I too think he is on roids. Thanks for showing me the light. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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oh and anyone that listens to and/or watches ESPN's Mike and Mike in the morning knows that bodybuilding boards aren't the only people that are bringing up the issue of Tiger Woods using steroids..Here on the east coast its been talked about over and over on talk radio...
The fact is almost everyone loves Tiger Woods and because of that, most don't even want to consider that he would use hormones...Its even made guys like Olyme who should know better sling out words like "stupid" ect...
Holy mackrel! I didn't others were saying he using. I hope its not anyone with any brains. But I gotta tell you, you are bringing allot of indisputable facts here to show he is using. I know if Mike and Mike say it thens it true. ::) ::) ::)
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My statements about what kind of clubs Tiger was using was only brought up to olyme for the fact that Tiger is now always looking for an edge(like anyone else)...If strength and ball length didn't matter in the sport, then you would see guys who win not change a thing...Tiger is always changing everything about his game...Does that mean he uses steroids. No. But it shows that he is always looking for an edge...So my belief is its not stupid to say that Tiger Woods would consider using hormones...
You know I have met ALLOT of professional athletes in my day. I have never met Tiger. But I have definitely seen how he acts and carries himself. And if you have too, I think you say the same thing. This guy is exactly what a role model should be like. He has integrity and he takes pride in what he does. And with that, I am 100% sure he is smart enough and cares about the integrity of himself and golf not to do roids. That is why he is changing clubs, balls , and underwear. He is trying to find the perfect combination. There are still some people out there with pride.
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This guy is exactly what a role model should be like. He has integrity and he takes pride in what he does. And with that, I am 100% sure he is smart enough and cares about the integrity of himself and golf not to do roids. There are still some people out there with pride.
none of us know if he does or doesn't. My money is on him not using.
However... part of his "pride" means continuing to be the best on the planet as he ages.
And, part of "smart" might mean using money, available sports technology, and the doc-patient confidentiality to gain a competitive advantage?
and, part of being a 'role model' means being around for longer, with more means, to pursue his family and altruistic goals... and if using a small safe amount of something to keep his levels good means he can do this, then we cannot rule it out as an option.
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Perhaps most can agree that...
1) Tiger's physique could be achieved with plain old weights and food.
2) Tiger has resources and motivation to use, should he ever choose to.
3) None of us really knows, nor probably ever will.
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You know I have met ALLOT of professional athletes in my day. I have never met Tiger. But I have definitely seen how he acts and carries himself. And if you have too, I think you say the same thing. This guy is exactly what a role model should be like. He has integrity and he takes pride in what he does. And with that, I am 100% sure he is smart enough and cares about the integrity of himself and golf not to do roids. That is why he is changing clubs, balls , and underwear. He is trying to find the perfect combination. There are still some people out there with pride.
That is why you should no better...Forget about using the word steroids or roids...Are you really saying that anyone who uses hormones has less integrity? C'on onlyme...California is full of HRt clinics...Remember he is playing a sport that does not test...So the word cheating can't really be used here...Maybe the guy has low test levels and needs a boost to get them on the high end...Is that cheating...Maybe he looks at it the same way he looks at his hair line...He was balding badly for many years and over the past couple years has gotten alot of his hair back...I doubt he is going to let us all know just exactly how he got his hair back..Does that mean we shouldn't speculate...Was it hair plugs, drugs, a piece ect...And its really none of our business...Just like if he is in and out of growth hormone clinics...That too is really none of our business...But what in the world is wrong with speculating...
Let me ask you this onlyme...Why is it that when the word steroids is brought up in the sport of golf, Tiger is the first one to say that he is all for testing....I mean really...If we go by what your saying, Steroids are useless in golf...So their should never be testing in this sport because they can't help you Right?...And if im reading you right, they would probably make you worse...Yet Tiger is all for testing..Said he would be the first one in line...Which means to me that he knows that people are using...That their is an edge using hormones in golf...
So which is it...Why test in a sport if they are completely useless?...In your eyes that would be like testing for a spelling bee right?
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Perhaps most can agree that...
1) Tiger's physique could be achieved with plain old weights and food.
2) Tiger has resources and motivation to use, should he ever choose to.
3) None of us really knows, nor probably ever will.
of course that is the bottom line but what would be the use of a gossip and opinions board if no one had them
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of course that is the bottom line but what would be the use of a gossip and opinions board if no one had them
good point.
Wombat has been sleeping with Angelina jolie. I have that on good authority.
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That is why you should no better...Forget about using the word steroids or roids...Are you really saying that anyone who uses hormones has less integrity? C'on onlyme...California is full of HRt clinics...Remember he is playing a sport that does not test...So the word cheating can't really be used here...Maybe the guy has low test levels and needs a boost to get them on the high end...Is that cheating...Maybe he looks at it the same way he looks at his hair line...He was balding badly for many years and over the past couple years has gotten alot of his hair back...I doubt he is going to let us all know just exactly how he got his hair back..Does that mean we shouldn't speculate...Was it hair plugs, drugs, a piece ect...And its really none of our business...Just like if he is in and out of growth hormone clinics...That too is really none of our business...But what in the world is wrong with speculating...
Let me ask you this onlyme...Why is it that when the word steroids is brought up in the sport of golf, Tiger is the first one to say that he is all for testing....I mean really...If we go by what your saying, Steroids are useless in golf...So their should never be testing in this sport because they can't help you Right?...And if im reading you right, they would probably make you worse...Yet Tiger is all for testing..Said he would be the first one in line...Which means to me that he knows that people are using...That their is an edge using hormones in golf...
So which is it...Why test in a sport if they are completely useless?...In your eyes that would be like testing for a spelling bee right?
Again I really truly think you don't understand some things. Because Tiger says he'll be first in line means he know people who are using. I think you are saying you think he means other golfers. Please tell us which ones are all of a sudden 400 yard. This will make the whole discussion shorter. Why would you take steroids in golf. To look better as you walk down the fairway? Or maybe to hit the ball farther? Which I would say is really the only reason to take them. They won't help you read a putt, hit out of a sand trap, line up a ball better, chip the ball any better. What does taking steroids do to help you play golf. And the only reason he would say go ahead and test us in golf is to prove to the world they aren't using them. Answer the simple question, what advantage does taking them offer? Unlike other sports, where, strength, power, speed, endurance are major parts of the puzzle for success, none of these help you play golf. Hitting a ball 400 yards means nothing. It's getting in the hole. And I just don't see where roids helps you get it in the hole. If there is please tell me.
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Again I really truly think you don't understand some things. Because Tiger says he'll be first in line means he know people who are using. I think you are saying you think he means other golfers. Please tell us which ones are all of a sudden 400 yard. This will make the whole discussion shorter. Why would you take steroids in golf. To look better as you walk down the fairway? Or maybe to hit the ball farther? Which I would say is really the only reason to take them. They won't help you read a putt, hit out of a sand trap, line up a ball better, chip the ball any better. What does taking steroids do to help you play golf. And the only reason he would say go ahead and test us in golf is to prove to the world they aren't using them. Answer the simple question, what advantage does taking them offer? Unlike other sports, where, strength, power, speed, endurance are major parts of the puzzle for success, none of these help you play golf. Hitting a ball 400 yards means nothing. It's getting in the hole. And I just don't see where roids helps you get it in the hole. If there is please tell me.
Its about swing speed...Its about strength out of the rough esp. in majors where the rough can break your wrists...And of course its about stamina...These guys aren't driving around in carts all day long...They are walking up and down hills out in 90 degree sun 4 days in a row with 100% concentration needed...You don't think that takes its toll on the body...
Now to be a golfer, that means you are literally the best of the best...Their are millions of golfers out there..And these 200 or so that can call themselves pros are so even when it comes to their ability is silly...Of course you have a handful like tiger who are even a notch up from the rest of them(but so slightly)...If you don't believe that as you age, you lose swing speed then i guess their really is no going on from here...And if you really don't believe that length and strength mean anything in the golf game then why is it that golf balls are going further and further every year?...Everyone in the business is saying the balls are going to far that that they need to put a cap on how far the ball will go... Why do you think its so hard for a man in his forties to win on the regular tour?.But when they go to the senior tour, they reguvinate their career and the wins start coming...Its because of strength and length...
Why do you think they want to cap the golf ball? I'll answer that for ya...Its because it makes courses play to short....Do you want to know what else makes them play shorter besides equipment?.Its swing speed...
Now for most of the millions that play the game. Muscles and weight lifting type strength mean nothing and will not help you one bit....But when you take 200 of the best of the best and all the equipment is the same, and their abilities are so very close....Just what do you think helps on the course...Its strength and of course swing speed...That gets you the length which puts a shorter club in your hands which makes it that much easier to convert to birdies...
Every single golfer out there is trying to add length to their game...Including just about every pro...Pro men and women are now adding fitness training to help with their golf game...If anything that you have been saying is true...Why would anyone that played golf be working out 1 hour to 3 hours a day in the weight room if it really didn't matter?...And why on earth would the #1 player in the game be doing some bodybuilding type workouts if it really didn't help?
Are you saying that Tiger is just trying to look good walking down the fairway?I find that hard to believe...Like any other sport out there where strength is used, you will find people that are going to try to get an edge...Have you seen Phil Mickelson's massage therapist? This guy was massaging phil's wrist during the practice round and let me just say the guy was sport 20 plus inch biceps...No doubt this guy is full of hormones and you can bet that he isn't there just to rub down Phil...These guys are for sure talking "supplements"...
The art of hitting a golfball is almost identicle to hitting a baseball...Now Hank Aaron and the rest of the guys from way back probably didn't use steroids to hit a ball...And they still did very well...With that said. Why would so many guys in baseball today take steroids to hit a ball? Of course its been proven that its not needed but Jose Canseco made it very clear in his book why he and these guys are doing so...
Its not like steroids are going to make an ave. golfer better just as its not like steroids are going to make an average baseball player better...But when all things are equal and some are using, their is no doubt that hormones could benefit a golfer as they do baseball players..
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Again I really truly think you don't understand some things. Because Tiger says he'll be first in line means he know people who are using. I think you are saying you think he means other golfers. Please tell us which ones are all of a sudden 400 yard. This will make the whole discussion shorter. Why would you take steroids in golf. To look better as you walk down the fairway? Or maybe to hit the ball farther? Which I would say is really the only reason to take them. They won't help you read a putt, hit out of a sand trap, line up a ball better, chip the ball any better. What does taking steroids do to help you play golf. And the only reason he would say go ahead and test us in golf is to prove to the world they aren't using them. Answer the simple question, what advantage does taking them offer? Unlike other sports, where, strength, power, speed, endurance are major parts of the puzzle for success, none of these help you play golf. Hitting a ball 400 yards means nothing. It's getting in the hole. And I just don't see where roids helps you get it in the hole. If there is please tell me.
onlyme...Just answer me these questions here
1. Why is Tiger the #1 player in the world doing 3 hour bodybuilding type workouts if it won't make him better?
2. Why have ping pong players tested positive for hormones in the past?
3. And why have Tennis players used steroids?
i think you have been on the course to many times listening to guys say "muscles don't mean shit out here" and guess what they would be right....But when you take four pro players with equal ability, strength and length in most(not all) cases will win...
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who has that article that claims he benches 315 for 8
i lold when a read that piece of crap
he has a good build..but i doubt he can bench 315 for 8
Maybe him and Kamali have the same spotters.
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Onlyme...Here is Phil Mickelson's right hand man...Who also works with a dozen pro golfers at any given time...They share his cost...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07164/793592-382.stm
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Its about swing speed...Its about strength out of the rough esp. in majors where the rough can break your wrists...And of course its about stamina...These guys aren't driving around in carts all day long...They are walking up and down hills out in 90 degree sun 4 days in a row with 100% concentration needed...You don't think that takes its toll on the body...
Now to be a golfer, that means you are literally the best of the best...Their are millions of golfers out there..And these 200 or so that can call themselves pros are so even when it comes to their ability is silly...Of course you have a handful like tiger who are even a notch up from the rest of them(but so slightly)...If you don't believe that as you age, you lose swing speed then i guess their really is no going on from here...And if you really don't believe that length and strength mean anything in the golf game then why is it that golf balls are going further and further every year?...Everyone in the business is saying the balls are going to far that that they need to put a cap on how far the ball will go... Why do you think its so hard for a man in his forties to win on the regular tour?.But when they go to the senior tour, they reguvinate their career and the wins start coming...Its because of strength and length...
Why do you think they want to cap the golf ball? I'll answer that for ya...Its because it makes courses play to short....Do you want to know what else makes them play shorter besides equipment?.Its swing speed...
Now for most of the millions that play the game. Muscles and weight lifting type strength mean nothing and will not help you one bit....But when you take 200 of the best of the best and all the equipment is the same, and their abilities are so very close....Just what do you think helps on the course...Its strength and of course swing speed...That gets you the length which puts a shorter club in your hands which makes it that much easier to convert to birdies...
Every single golfer out there is trying to add length to their game...Including just about every pro...Pro men and women are now adding fitness training to help with their golf game...If anything that you have been saying is true...Why would anyone that played golf be working out 1 hour to 3 hours a day in the weight room if it really didn't matter?...And why on earth would the #1 player in the game be doing some bodybuilding type workouts if it really didn't help?
Are you saying that Tiger is just trying to look good walking down the fairway?I find that hard to believe...Like any other sport out there where strength is used, you will find people that are going to try to get an edge...Have you seen Phil Mickelson's massage therapist? This guy was massaging phil's wrist during the practice round and let me just say the guy was sport 20 plus inch biceps...No doubt this guy is full of hormones and you can bet that he isn't there just to rub down Phil...These guys are for sure talking "supplements"...
The art of hitting a golfball is almost identicle to hitting a baseball...Now Hank Aaron and the rest of the guys from way back probably didn't use steroids to hit a ball...And they still did very well...With that said. Why would so many guys in baseball today take steroids to hit a ball? Of course its been proven that its not needed but Jose Canseco made it very clear in his book why he and these guys are doing so...
Its not like steroids are going to make an ave. golfer better just as its not like steroids are going to make an average baseball player better...But when all things are equal and some are using, their is no doubt that hormones could benefit a golfer as they do baseball players..
To late to read all this but really quick. You can't be any farther off than when you say hitting a golf ball is like hitting baseball. Not even close. The reason why baseball players usually hit a golf ball very well is because of their hip rotation and hand/arm coordination.
And in relation to golf and the tee shot. the first shot is not your most important shot in golf. It is the second shot. You might hit the ball 400 yards on a drive but unless you can chip that next shot onto the green and make it in regulation, then the tee shot is worthless. And I think you said somewhere in there about breaking your wrist hitting out of the rough. Has this ever happened in history yet. And if so hwo many times cause I have never heard of it before.
Every sport is adding weightlifting to their regime. 25 years ago baseball players weren't weightlifting, either did basketball players or tennis players or golfers. Nowadays most people understand that weightlifting (cross training) can help you in your sport. That surely doesn't mean they are taking steroids.
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To late to read all this but really quick. You can't be any farther off than when you say hitting a golf ball is like hitting baseball. Not even close. The reason why baseball players usually hit a golf ball very well is because of their hip rotation and hand/arm coordination.
And in relation to golf and the tee shot. the first shot is not your most important shot in golf. It is the second shot. You might hit the ball 400 yards on a drive but unless you can chip that next shot onto the green and make it in regulation, then the tee shot is worthless. And I think you said somewhere in there about breaking your wrist hitting out of the rough. Has this ever happened in history yet. And if so hwo many times cause I have never heard of it before.
Every sport is adding weightlifting to their regime. 25 years ago baseball players weren't weightlifting, either did basketball players or tennis players or golfers. Nowadays most people understand that weightlifting (cross training) can help you in your sport. That surely doesn't mean they are taking steroids.
alright time to put you to bed.....Anyone that thinks steroids aren't at all being used in golf please read this...
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2239115
And the best part of the story is that anyone that thinks steroids aren't being used in golf or won't help a golfer are niave'...
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Wombat,
1. Why is Tiger the #1 player in the world doing 3 hour bodybuilding type workouts if it won't make him better? Why are you asking me this. I don't think I mentioned once where I don't think he trains. I promise you he does train. This was kind of dumb to ask me. Why do you think because he trains he takes steroids?
2. Why have ping pong players tested positive for hormones in the past? And what does this have to do with Tiger taking steroids. I don't understand your reasoning. Are you saying because ping pong players take steroids Tiger does? Odd reasoning I think.
3. And why have Tennis players used steroids? See above answer. Hey guess what the guy who manages the gym I go to does steroids too. And he doesn't even compete in anything. Just don't let Tiger know cause he'll start them if he hears this.
WOmbat not sure if you ever competed or played pro sports but I sure have. And I didn't take steroids at the start till everyone was asking me what I was taking because I was beating everyone. I said nothing. And they couldn't believe it. they told me I woudl be the best and never lose if I took steroids. So I found out what would make me so strong nobody could beat me. I took only test cyp 200 mg for 6 months. i did pretty good I think. I have many other sports too. If you are asking me if I think steroids help performance in sports I would 100% YES. If you ask me if I think Tiger Woods is taking them I say 100% NO.
Guys take steroids to become the best. If not they are wasting their time for nothing. Unless you compete to be the best then truly you should give it up. Tiger has been #1 almost since he became Pro. He is the best. Now others take them to remain the best cause the younger guys are coming up. Tiger is still young. He does not hit the ball 1 yard farther than he was hitting hit years ago. At the US Open his longest hit was a little over 325 yards. If he taking roids they are doing nothing to help his performance. Tiger is under a microscope. For him to risk his reputation that he has made so perfect by taking roids is so stupid. He is very far from stupid.
If you ask me if I think others in golf are using steroids. I would say maybe. Some of these kids coming up would probably try anything they can to catch Tiger.
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WHere in the hell do you live to be up this late. It is 1am here
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Wombat,
1. Why is Tiger the #1 player in the world doing 3 hour bodybuilding type workouts if it won't make him better? Why are you asking me this. I don't think I mentioned once where I don't think he trains. I promise you he does train. This was kind of dumb to ask me. Why do you think because he trains he takes steroids?
2. Why have ping pong players tested positive for hormones in the past? And what does this have to do with Tiger taking steroids. I don't understand your reasoning. Are you saying because ping pong players take steroids Tiger does? Odd reasoning I think.
3. And why have Tennis players used steroids? See above answer. Hey guess what the guy who manages the gym I go to does steroids too. And he doesn't even compete in anything. Just don't let Tiger know cause he'll start them if he hears this.
WOmbat not sure if you ever competed or played pro sports but I sure have. And I didn't take steroids at the start till everyone was asking me what I was taking because I was beating everyone. I said nothing. And they couldn't believe it. they told me I woudl be the best and never lose if I took steroids. So I found out what would make me so strong nobody could beat me. I took only test cyp 200 mg for 6 months. i did pretty good I think. I have many other sports too. If you are asking me if I think steroids help performance in sports I would 100% YES. If you ask me if I think Tiger Woods is taking them I say 100% NO.
Guys take steroids to become the best. If not they are wasting their time for nothing. Unless you compete to be the best then truly you should give it up. Tiger has been #1 almost since he became Pro. He is the best. Now others take them to remain the best cause the younger guys are coming up. Tiger is still young. He does not hit the ball 1 yard farther than he was hitting hit years ago. At the US Open his longest hit was a little over 325 yards. If he taking roids they are doing nothing to help his performance. Tiger is under a microscope. For him to risk his reputation that he has made so perfect by taking roids is so stupid. He is very far from stupid.
If you ask me if I think others in golf are using steroids. I would say maybe. Some of these kids coming up would probably try anything they can to catch Tiger.
bro you said steroids are useless in golf and won't help you play the game...You called people stupid who think that tiger would use steroids ..That their is no reason for Tiger to ever use steroids for the game can not be benefitted by steroid use ...Or at least along those lines...I pointed out that Tiger trains his ass off in bodybuilding type workouts...So of course the use of hormones would be on his mind one way or another...
The article i just posted above..stats that your are niave' ...And yes the baseball swing is almost identicle to the golf swing....I played baseball all the way up to my senior year and also held a 14 handicap(although not anymore for i don't play too much anymore)...
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I would say no.
Tiger is also for drug desting on the pga tour.
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he might just be bodybuilding to look better for that fine ass wife of his. keeping a supermodel happy can include both money AND looking good.
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What say you?
1- teenager.
2- 30 year old man.
It happens man.
WOOOSSHHHHHHHH
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http://www.golfdigest.com/features/index.ssf?/features/gd200408tigerworkout.html
(Some people who have seen him work out estimate he can bench-press about 300 pounds.)
Offcourse he can ::)
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Tiger seems to be the type of person who has too much integrity to take steroids. I think he is too good to need steroids to improve his game. He has too many endorsement deals to risk losing. He uses his endorsement money for his philanthropic pursuits. He probably didn't weight train much and so once he began weight training, he put on muscle. He's probably wearing a medium shirt to show off the new guns.
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Tiger seems to be the type of person who has too much integrity to take steroids. I think he is too good to need steroids to improve his game. He has too many endorsement deals to risk losing. He uses his endorsement money for his philanthropic pursuits. He probably didn't weight train much and so once he began weight training, he put on muscle. He's probably wearing a medium shirt to show off the new guns.
hahahahaha, you tell 'em "chammorita".
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Tiger seems to be the type of person who has too much integrity to take steroids. I think he is too good to need steroids to improve his game. He has too many endorsement deals to risk losing. He uses his endorsement money for his philanthropic pursuits. He probably didn't weight train much and so once he began weight training, he put on muscle. He's probably wearing a medium shirt to show off the new guns.
I agree.
Plus, if we are looking at the two pics on p. 1 of this thread, Tiger looks to be about 15 years old in the first pic.
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Tiger seems to be the type of person who has too much integrity to take steroids. I think he is too good to need steroids to improve his game. He has too many endorsement deals to risk losing. He uses his endorsement money for his philanthropic pursuits. He probably didn't weight train much and so once he began weight training, he put on muscle. He's probably wearing a medium shirt to show off the new guns.
and squadfatty wears a 3x shirt to hide his fat
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hahahha, sounds like all of the monstrous 11 inch armed, 120 pound benching women "bodybuilders" coming out of the woodwork this morning, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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hahahha, sounds like all of the monstrous 11 inch armed, 120 pound benching women "bodybuilders" coming out of the woodwork this morning, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
My arms are 12.5 inches. >:(
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hahahha, sounds like all of the monstrous 11 inch armed, 120 pound benching women "bodybuilders" coming out of the woodwork this morning, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
;D I have some serious guns for my size. Don't make me use them on you.
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he's still a skinny mulatto geek, hahahaha.
hahaha. And you're still an overweight, trailer trash douchebag who's personal lifetime wealth is a microcosm of less than 1/16 of a percent of Tiger's earnings in a month.
Think about it. Your personal claim to fame is attempting to make fun of people's physiques on a bodybuilding website. Without this forum you have no voice or opinion, much less a life or link to the rest of the world.
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Tiger is the man!
And these steroid accusations are stupid.. :-\ The guy is noted for being a hard worker in the gym.
He'll be a billionaire within 5 years or so.
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Tiger is the man!
And these steroid accusations are stupid.. :-\ The guy is noted for being a hard worker in the gym.
He'll be a billionaire within 5 years or so.
Less.
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Less.
First ever athlete billionaire! Amazing!
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ESPN put his value same as LeBron's, about 220 mil, on a recent sportscenter piece on millionaire athlete parents.
can he turn 220 into 1000 in 5 years? WHo knows.
YouTube's Bodybuilding Central (http://youtube.com/getanabolics)
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ESPN put his value same as LeBron's, about 220 mil, on a recent sportscenter piece on millionaire athlete parents.
can he turn 220 into 1000 in 5 years? WHo knows.
YouTube's Bodybuilding Central (http://youtube.com/getanabolics)
I'm not sure about Lebron having as much wealth as Tiger. Tiger's been earning millions for a much longer time than Lebron.
I mean, the guy won the fucking Master's at age 21. That was in 1997. Lebron's been in the NBA, what 4 years now?
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hahahha, sounds like all of the monstrous 11 inch armed, 120 pound benching women "bodybuilders" coming out of the woodwork this morning, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Look at who's judging other's physiques............... .
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Look at who's judging other's physiques............... .
you can't tell much from that picture... he just may be a 400 pound monster.
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bro you said steroids are useless in golf and won't help you play the game...You called people stupid who think that tiger would use steroids ..That their is no reason for Tiger to ever use steroids for the game can not be benefitted by steroid use ...Or at least along those lines...I pointed out that Tiger trains his ass off in bodybuilding type workouts...So of course the use of hormones would be on his mind one way or another...
The article i just posted above..stats that your are niave' ...And yes the baseball swing is almost identicle to the golf swing....I played baseball all the way up to my senior year and also held a 14 handicap(although not anymore for i don't play too much anymore)...
Dude please don't debate me on the swings. Like I said the only resemblance is the hip rotation. In baseball you swing a 34 oz. bat level or a slight downswing and your top wrist turns over. In golf you try to keep your wrists fairly straight and you swing a club back then forward/down with a up follow through. The ball does not move in golf, the ball comes at you at 90+mph and it is moving all over the place in baseball. In golf your feet stay in one place except for the rotation of the feet. IN baseball you take a step with your lead foot. I played organized baseball as a catcher for 18 years (8 to 26). I also played golf ALLOT. Do believe hitting slow pitch softball is like baseball?
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Wow you just proved Tiger takes steroids. You are good ::)
Tell me why Tiger would take steroids. Hope you don't say to hit the ball farther. And I haven't heard of the drug that makes you putt better. Did you hear of one that keeps the ball out of the traps we haven't heard off. Or maybe he is taking the drug that automatically cuts 10 strokes off his score. Please tell me why he would take them and what is he taking. Thanks, I just want to know your inside information.
This is the same close-minded shit that people were saying about baseball players 15 years ago.
We all know how that turned out.
Hell fucking BOWLERS are testing positive for juice.
My conclusion is if you are a professional athlete of any ilk,and earn your living with your physical abilities, at some point they ALL give steriods consideration, and MOST take the plunge.
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It wouldn't be worth it for him to juice. If it hit the media, he would become the Barry Bonds of golf...hated by many, loved by few.
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This is the same close-minded shit that people were saying about baseball players 15 years ago.
We all know how that turned out.
Hell fucking BOWLERS are testing positive for juice.
My conclusion is if you are a professional athlete of any ilk,and earn your living with your physical abilities, at some point they ALL give steriods consideration, and MOST take the plunge.
Not sure if this was diss on me. But in 1983 or so I getting guys from a few teams roids. One of my best friends I grew up with signed with Cincinnati Reds and played in the bigs. I put him on Anadrol 50 after his first season. He came back 30 lbs heavier and was knocking the shit out of the ball. The coach asked me what I did and if I could do that with everybody on team. I believe steroids in baseball caused I saw it. But, I still think Tiger is way above this and ever has even tried them or barely thought about them. There are a few out there. I wouldn't have ever taken them if my peers didn't tell me every pro armwrestler takes them.
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Tiger's a golf prodigy and has been driving the ball farther than most grown men since he was a teenager. So unless he was on the needle at 13, then I doubt he's juiced now. Why would he even think about wrecking what he's got going for himself?
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Tiger's a golf prodigy and has been driving the ball farther than most grown men since he was a teenager. So unless he was on the needle at 13, then I doubt he's juiced now. Why would he even think about wrecking what he's got going for himself?
for the sake of argument - we don't know what 15+ years of playing competitive gold has done to him. he might have injuries or deficits from the rigors of longterm training and playing.
one reason he'd consider it would be to recover from some ailment. Blowing up big might have been a fun side effect. I still stand by my belief he doesn't - but there are many reasons why he'd consider using.
And - I don't see it as "wrecking himself". Golf doesn't test for steroids, and anything he got wouldn't have to come from Joe Snitch, the local dealer. Tigerr would get HRT or test from his very expensive doctor and unless one of these two men opens his mouth, the world will never know. besides, even if PGA knew, no way they'd say anything. Tiger is very very good for golf.
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for the sake of argument - we don't know what 15+ years of playing competitive gold has done to him. he might have injuries or deficits from the rigors of longterm training and playing.
one reason he'd consider it would be to recover from some ailment. Blowing up big might have been a fun side effect. I still stand by my belief he doesn't - but there are many reasons why he'd consider using.
And - I don't see it as "wrecking himself". Golf doesn't test for steroids, and anything he got wouldn't have to come from Joe Snitch, the local dealer. Tigerr would get HRT or test from his very expensive doctor and unless one of these two men opens his mouth, the world will never know. besides, even if PGA knew, no way they'd say anything. Tiger is very very good for golf.
Why would he even take the chance of jeopardizing that when he's making $60 million+ a year in endorsements alone? Just to maybe drive the ball 15-30 yards further or recover faster? A farther drive isn't going to make him any better than he has been since he won his first Masters.
I doubt he'd take them for recovery too because he plays less tournaments than most golfers for the most part anyway. So he gets plenty of rest by skipping multiple events every year.
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Why would he even take the chance of jeopardizing that when he's making $60 million+ a year in endorsements alone? Just to maybe drive the ball 15-30 yards further or recover faster? A farther drive isn't going to make him any better than he has been since he won his first Masters.
I doubt he'd take them for recovery too because he plays less tournaments than most golfers for the most part anyway. So he gets plenty of rest by skipping multiple events every year.
True.
He hit's the ball farther than most and any additional muscle would alter his swing.
I do think some GH might help in injury recovery (pulled muscles and suck).
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Why would he even take the chance of jeopardizing that when he's making $60 million+ a year in endorsements alone?
There is zero chance he'll be caught. Very easily, his doctor would give him what he needed and that would be that.
2) You just gave 60 million reasons why Tiger would have motive to use, should he be injured. Personally, I would probably shoot smack right into my arm for $60 mil a year. I wouldn't put it past a man to use something healthy, in small doses, and legal, to allow him to earn 60 mil a year for many more years than he could without sports med tech.
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Look at who's judging other's physiques............... .
Its the fritolay guy. I think I seen him on a commercial
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you can't tell much from that picture... he just may be a 400 pound monster.
not with that fat face
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Why would he even take the chance of jeopardizing that when he's making $60 million+ a year in endorsements alone? Just to maybe drive the ball 15-30 yards further or recover faster? A farther drive isn't going to make him any better than he has been since he won his first Masters.
I doubt he'd take them for recovery too because he plays less tournaments than most golfers for the most part anyway. So he gets plenty of rest by skipping multiple events every year.
Take it from this huge monster.....he knows!
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Dude please don't debate me on the swings. Like I said the only resemblance is the hip rotation. In baseball you swing a 34 oz. bat level or a slight downswing and your top wrist turns over. In golf you try to keep your wrists fairly straight and you swing a club back then forward/down with a up follow through. The ball does not move in golf, the ball comes at you at 90+mph and it is moving all over the place in baseball. In golf your feet stay in one place except for the rotation of the feet. IN baseball you take a step with your lead foot. I played organized baseball as a catcher for 18 years (8 to 26). I also played golf ALLOT. Do believe hitting slow pitch softball is like baseball?
Your arguing semantics...Its not 100% identicle...The art of hitting a baseball is ALMOST identicle to hitting a golf ball...Hip rotation...wrist going over the top and one arm fully extented in golf opposed to both in baseball...Just about the same muscles are using in both...And alot of golf teachers swing a club as it were a bat as a way of training "golf" muscles...Is it the exact same movement no but their are also no two snowflakes that are alike...
Get on the course pull out the driver and take a baseball swing at the ball with a downward motion and you will look like 90% of the hacks on the course....Now do the same swing but keep your left arm "locked"(in righties) thru out the movement and it will look like you have been taught something...Its really that simple because they are so very close(minus the grip,step forward and one arm extended opposed to both)
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There is zero chance he'll be caught. Very easily, his doctor would give him what he needed and that would be that.
2) You just gave 60 million reasons why Tiger would have motive to use, should he be injured. Personally, I would probably shoot smack right into my arm for $60 mil a year. I wouldn't put it past a man to use something healthy, in small doses, and legal, to allow him to earn 60 mil a year for many more years than he could without sports med tech.
His contract are multi-year. They don't sign guys for that amount of money for one year contracts. And contracts like this aredone in a way where if he got hurt they would still pay him.
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Useless thread; common sense in short supply. A lot of guys on here have little experience as athletes or BBs i have a feeling.
There is nothing required in golf that would require the specific benefits of steroids. He's already working out, in better shape and likely stronger for his weight than most golfers.
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for the sake of argument - we don't know what 15+ years of playing competitive gold has done to him. he might have injuries or deficits from the rigors of longterm training and playing.
one reason he'd consider it would be to recover from some ailment. Blowing up big might have been a fun side effect. I still stand by my belief he doesn't - but there are many reasons why he'd consider using.
And - I don't see it as "wrecking himself". Golf doesn't test for steroids, and anything he got wouldn't have to come from Joe Snitch, the local dealer. Tigerr would get HRT or test from his very expensive doctor and unless one of these two men opens his mouth, the world will never know. besides, even if PGA knew, no way they'd say anything. Tiger is very very good for golf.
an excellent article about athletes and steroids...
http://austrianeconomists.typepad.com/weblog/2006/06/body_type_stero.html
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Useless thread; common sense in short supply. A lot of guys on here have little experience as athletes or BBs i have a feeling.
There is nothing required in golf that would require the specific benefits of steroids. He's already working out, in better shape and likely stronger for his weight than most golfers.
really...so steroids won't help recop Phil Mickelson's fcked up wrist? I think just about any doctor out there would say otherwise
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His contract are multi-year. They don't sign guys for that amount of money for one year contracts. And contracts like this aredone in a way where if he got hurt they would still pay him.
well we can take a good look at Michelle Wie and see what happens to her if she doesn't start performing in the next 3 to 5 years...Talk about someone who is going to be looking for every possible edge out there...Sure she has tons of money but she has everything to lose...And as of now is getting killed in the media for she just isn't performing...
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really...so steroids won't help recop Phil Mickelson's fcked up wrist? I think just about any doctor out there would say otherwise
You're basically reaching for any example to justify your position, just as your "excellent" article did. Phil's wrist has nothing to do with Tiger.
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You're basically reaching for any example to justify your position, just as your "excellent" article did.
My position was justified by my example...What the heck with all you niave guys...steroids are in every single sport out there...And for good reason...
Bodybuilders abuse steroids while alot of athletes use them wisely...
i agree it has nothing to do with Tiger...Some on here including you believe that steroids can not benefit a golfer(not just Tiger) any golfer....I just don't buy that
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I profoundly think and feel he takes gh and some sort of anabolic/androgenic compound.
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well we can take a good look at Michelle Wie and see what happens to her if she doesn't start performing in the next 3 to 5 years...Talk about someone who is going to be looking for every possible edge out there...Sure she has tons of money but she has everything to lose...And as of now is getting killed in the media for she just isn't performing...
she has every motive in the world to use something to allow her to play better.
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Tiger's wearing a sleeveless shirt on the cover of this month's Men's Health.
It sure doesn't look like he' juiced.
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yes
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it looked like david duval was on the sauce for a while, the more muscle he gained, the worse his golf game became. he never recovered.
if you believe the media, he stated that he had vertigo...That shit will fck a golf game up in a hurry...
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who has that article that claims he benches 315 for 8
i lold when a read that piece of crap
he has a good build..but i doubt he can bench 315 for 8
I saw that too.
I give Tiger Woods about 225 MAYBE.........with or without roids.
That frame doesn't bench anything above that, good form or not.
I would be hard pressed to believe he can even bench 225 for good form.....bouncing, perhaps.
If he's smart he won't get any bigger because it'd take away from his golf game.
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