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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Disgusted on July 15, 2007, 03:23:29 PM
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I don’t know if what I am writing will help clear up any of the confusion as to what has been posted lately regarding this whole Milos and GH15 issue maybe it will help bring a different perspective. I can only judge a person on how they have treated me and others so are far as Milos goes I have never met him, but have spoken with him on the phone and he seems like a good guy. One of my best friends also speaks very highly of him and that is good enough for me.
There is a huge controversy about what Milos might recommend and whether he is lying or not. I can tell you guys that from what I know he is being totally honest about what he says as far as the sample cycle he posted a while back. How do I know this? Well, I have actually known this for a few years. (more on this later) Another reason is that one of my long time best friends recently moved to Cally and he is training at Milos’s gym and being trained by him. I know EXACTLY what my friend did for his show and it fell within the guidelines of what Milos posted. Maybe I would not have believed Milos if I did not know for a fact what my friend did, but I do know for sure. I also know exactly what 2 top pros did for their shows about 5 years ago that Milos helped and when I say exactly I mean EXACTLY! And I consider this 100% bet my life proof!!!!! Milos, if you are interested in knowing what I am referring just PM me. Anyway, maybe I am saying too much, but both of these pros were using 750mg of test per week. (total test not total anabolics) You guys need to remember that when using insulin you do not necessarily need to use massive amounts of other stuff. About 2 grams of various anabolics is sufficient. I will say that without the insulin one would not be nearly as big as they would be if not using slin.
Some of the cycles and doses that GH15 posts are believable and as far as I am concerned I don’t think that he is lying about what he posts. I am sure there are guys out there doing what he claims although I am not going to speculate as to who may be doing what. It is surely believable that some guys who maybe be using 40 iu’s of slin daily would also be using 7 to 10 grams a week of other stuff. If it is possible, then imo someone out there is doing it. If you take away the slin then in order to get as big as some guys who may be following a more Milos type cycle then they would surely have to use roughly 6 to 8 grams a week to replicate those type of gains. I am talking here about the big guys., 250 and beyond.
Lastly, I want to say especially to the younger guys on here that you DO NOT EVER need to take the kind of dosages that GH15 posts to be able to build a great looking physique. Nor do you need to take insulin. I know of two guys who almost bit the dust from using slin and both used only 10 iu’s. Diet is the most important issue when it comes to looking good. Keeping your BF low and being able to see your muscles will make you look a lot bigger than you really are and that is impressive in and of itself. If you can not handle being disciplined then find another fucking hobby! Hope this helps ( I really mean it). :)
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so you're saying that Milos is wrong. thank you.
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so you're saying that Milos is wrong. thank you.
Did you even read my post? ::)
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Great post I know for a fact some need more than others, I was on 400mgs deca and 500mgs enanthate when I weighed 253 and I was growing like a weed. I quit the cycle early due to getting a lung infection but honestly on some gh slin maybe 750 mgs test and 500mgs deca I could hit 280ish given the right diet and consisten training. I am sure there are guys with much better genetics, so it is possible. That said I think the reason we see such insane cycle recommendations is becasue #1 the internet, which is full of dealers who propogate mythical dosages to sell more gear #2 a LOT weaker gene pool. I mean let's face it, there is zero money in bodybuilding, for the most part the genetically blessed are out doing other things to make money off their bodies, most of the up and commers are gym rats with shit genetics who are obsessed with getting as huge as their crappy genetics will let them. You don't need huge amounts of anabolics to look great, just find which drugs you respond best to and always examine your diet training and rest periods if you aren't growing quickly enough, don't just automatically assume you need more drugs to get bigger, break through a plateu(sp?) etc.
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just come to the conclusion what is the NORM
not the exception
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Did you even read my post? ::)
Good post. I admire your honesty and your candidness. If I ever look to get into half-decent shape, I will look to employ of your services.
Lovingly Yours,
"1"
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Good post. I admire your honesty and your candidness. If I ever look to get into half-decent shape, I will look to employ of your services.
Lovingly Yours,
"1"
lmao@lovingly yours
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no he's trying to be politically correct why we'll never know GH15 doesn't speak the truth there are extreme cases of drug abuse but there is no standard cycle like he posted about everything in the kitchen sink these guys were on...
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I don’t know if what I am writing will help clear up any of the confusion as to what has been posted lately regarding this whole Milos and GH15 issue maybe it will help bring a different perspective. I can only judge a person on how they have treated me and others so are far as Milos goes I have never met him, but have spoken with him on the phone and he seems like a good guy. One of my best friends also speaks very highly of him and that is good enough for me.
There is a huge controversy about what Milos might recommend and whether he is lying or not. I can tell you guys that from what I know he is being totally honest about what he says as far as the sample cycle he posted a while back. How do I know this? Well, I have actually known this for a few years. (more on this later) Another reason is that one of my long time best friends recently moved to Cally and he is training at Milos’s gym and being trained by him. I know EXACTLY what my friend did for his show and it fell within the guidelines of what Milos posted. Maybe I would not have believed Milos if I did not know for a fact what my friend did, but I do know for sure. I also know exactly what 2 top pros did for their shows about 5 years ago that Milos helped and when I say exactly I mean EXACTLY! And I consider this 100% bet my life proof!!!!! Milos, if you are interested in knowing what I am referring just PM me. Anyway, maybe I am saying too much, but both of these pros were using 750mg of test per week. (total test not total anabolics) You guys need to remember that when using insulin you do not necessarily need to use massive amounts of other stuff. About 2 grams of various anabolics is sufficient. I will say that without the insulin one would not be nearly as big as they would be if not using slin.
Some of the cycles and doses that GH15 posts are believable and as far as I am concerned I don’t think that he is lying about what he posts. I am sure there are guys out there doing what he claims although I am not going to speculate as to who may be doing what. It is surely believable that some guys who maybe be using 40 iu’s of slin daily would also be using 7 to 10 grams a week of other stuff. If it is possible, then imo someone out there is doing it. If you take away the slin then in order to get as big as some guys who may be following a more Milos type cycle then they would surely have to use roughly 6 to 8 grams a week to replicate those type of gains. I am talking here about the big guys., 250 and beyond.
Lastly, I want to say especially to the younger guys on here that you DO NOT EVER need to take the kind of dosages that GH15 posts to be able to build a great looking physique. Nor do you need to take insulin. I know of two guys who almost bit the dust from using slin and both used only 10 iu’s. Diet is the most important issue when it comes to looking good. Keeping your BF low and being able to see your muscles will make you look a lot bigger than you really are and that is impressive in and of itself. If you can not handle being disciplined then find another fucking hobby! Hope this helps ( I really mean it). :)
Great post...I personally trust Milos more then some random guy posting crap he copied and pasted from other websites
i know a guy in my gym who almost went into a hypoglycemic coma after his slin shot post workout...and this is after he was using it for more then a year. He said he took the same amount of carbs he's been taking since he started slin, everything was exactly the same as other shots...but this time he just started blacking out, he said he immediately had to drink around 200 grams of dextrose before he started to feel better.
Just goes to show that even if you know what you're doing with insulin...your ass could still wind up dead
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He's just saying they're both right. But let me just ask, because I didn't read Milos's posts regarding this...did Milos say that the guys using 2-3 grams total hadn't ever done more at a various or various points in their career?
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lmao@lovingly yours
You know, week in and week out, I come here and make thousands of readers laugh and not once have I received even a simple PM saying, "Hey, you fucking fag, thanks for making me laugh. That last post of yours really hit home!"
I swear, it's as if many of you have never been taught the principle of returning the favor..
"1"
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We don't want the Milos GH15 saga "cleared up". >:( It's too entertaining! Besides, you are agreeing with both of them, so how does that help? ::)
GH15 never said to go out and do some of the cycles posted, he's saying this is the reality of what is being taken by the IFBB's biggest guys. If you are stupid enough to try it on your own and end up in the hospital or morgue, tough nuts.
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I heard your client, Kamali takes a shitload of GH.
Discuss.
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We don't want the Milos GH15 saga "cleared up". >:( It's too entertaining! Besides, you are agreeing with both of them, so how does that help? ::)
GH15 never said to go out and do some of the cycles posted, he's saying this is the reality of what is being taken by the IFBB's biggest guys. If you are stupid enough to try it on your own and end up in the hospital or morgue, tough nuts.
But that's just the point - what GH15 says is not reality. Disgusted said the biggest pros are following Milos' advice, not GH15's.
Plus if you follow GH15's advice, you'll be wasting a lot of money, time and health doing stupid things like mixing GH and slin in the same pin.
I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...they get no benefit from the GH, and GH is the most expensive thing out there...so it sucks their banks dry too. And, someone posted that the original gh15 cycle that started this was an old cycle Nasser put in some magazine in the past.
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We don't want the Milos GH15 saga "cleared up". >:( It's too entertaining! Besides, you are agreeing with both of them, so how does that help? ::)
Sorry. ;D
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He's just saying they're both right. But let me just ask, because I didn't read Milos's posts regarding this...did Milos say that the guys using 2-3 grams total hadn't ever done more at a various or various points in their career?
Good point. I would bet they have done a lot more at one point or another in their career.
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But that's just the point - what GH15 says is not reality. Disgusted said the biggest pros are following Milos' advice, not GH15's.
Plus if you follow GH15's advice, you'll be wasting a lot of money, time and health doing stupid things like mixing GH and slin in the same pin.
I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...they get no benefit from the GH, and GH is the most expensive thing out there...so it sucks their banks dry too. And, someone posted that the original gh15 cycle that started this was an old cycle Nasser put in some magazine in the past.
You, sir...are a fuckin' idiot. Who cares that many pros are following Milos "advice"? Re-read the above post, where Disgusted states he believes many top pros are taking what GH15 states they are taking. He's saying they are both right, which largely renders this thread meaningless. I don't give a shit if Milos is a "nice guy"...I believe he probably is. I also believe he lies on this board when it is convenient for him. Pro bodybuilders are MASTER liars. That's why I like GH15.
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I heard your client, Kamali takes a shitload of GH.
Discuss.
with piss poor results too
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I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...
But Nasser isn't competing anymore so he wouldn't have a vested interest necessarily in fuccking with people, right? Unless he himself were training top competitors, which he's not.
It's not Nasser. GH15 is not even a pro. He's a drug dealer who actually speaks perfect English but tries intentionally to come off like he doesn't know English well. Note how he always puncutates with ",,,". Do you know any REAL person who would do that? ::)
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But Nasser isn't competing anymore so he wouldn't have a vested interest necessarily in fuccking with people, right? Unless he himself were training top competitors, which he's not.
It's not Nasser. GH15 is not even a pro. He's a drug dealer who actually speaks perfect English but tries intentionally to come off like he doesn't know English well. Note how he always puncutates with ",,,". Do you know any REAL person who would do that? ::)
That's due to excessive clenbuterol useage. :P
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But Nasser isn't competing anymore so he wouldn't have a vested interest necessarily in fuccking with people, right? Unless he himself were training top competitors, which he's not.
It's not Nasser. GH15 is not even a pro. He's a drug dealer who actually speaks perfect English but tries intentionally to come off like he doesn't know English well. Note how he always puncutates with ",,,". Do you know any REAL person who would do that? ::)
nope,,,
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But that's just the point - what GH15 says is not reality. Disgusted said the biggest pros are following Milos' advice, not GH15's.
Plus if you follow GH15's advice, you'll be wasting a lot of money, time and health doing stupid things like mixing GH and slin in the same pin.
I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...they get no benefit from the GH, and GH is the most expensive thing out there...so it sucks their banks dry too. And, someone posted that the original gh15 cycle that started this was an old cycle Nasser put in some magazine in the past.
god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned
the thing that is funny to me is that many here sit and say oh no insulin is very very risky,,NO IT IS NOT IF DONE PROPERLY AND YOU ARE FEMILIAR WITH ITS SIDES,,humulin r would not be sold in the usa script free to any one who wants it and that includes 16 year olds if insulin was that risky! INSULIN IS ANOTHER WAY OF THICKENING YOUR PHYSIQE AND BLOWING UP TO NEW DIMENTIONS ,,in other words insulin if done right and consistantly enough as in with each meal,,will make the muscles fuller bigger larger and with the added halo dender and harder (ofcourse takes more than halo but i chose it as an example since it is another VERY VERY TOXIC BULLSHIT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT while in reality the sides are minimal if at all unless you dont know whach you are doing and are not a bodybuilder to begin with
people sit and drink and smokin weed and do the coke thing on a regular basis in usa,,and you talk about insulin ::) its the coke and drinking with somas that kills you my friends,,not the insulin
half of usa would be dead by now if slin killed you
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN TAKING SLIN,,YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU CANT CONFUSE MESURMENTS WITH SLIN AND NEED TO KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO TAKE IT AND WITH WHAT FOR IT TO NOT BE "RISKY"
i have yet to see one single bodybuilder that has died as a result of aas growth and insulin only NOT EVEN ONE! and im talkin major abuse
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To better clarify my point about Milos, I believe he is credible and believable about what he is saying here about his veiws on slin and anabolic doses and I am basing this on what I have seen with my own eyes and from what my friend tells me who has directly worked with Milos and spent a lot of time with him. I am not saying that Milos has never lied in his life or is God like. ::)
Upping the slin dose and lowering the anabolics has worked for some. This does not mean, like I said before that everyone is doing low dose anabolics. I am also not trying to be polictically correct by trying to make it seem that Milos and GH15 are both right. Hell, if I didn't agree with Milos or GH15 I would certainly say.
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god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned
the thing that is funny to me is that many here sit and say oh no insulin is very very risky,,NO IT IS NOT IF DONE PROPERLY AND YOU ARE FEMILIAR WITH ITS SIDES,,humulin r would not be sold in the usa script free to any one who wants it and that includes 16 year olds if insulin was that risky! INSULIN IS ANOTHER WAY OF THICKENING YOUR PHYSIQE AND BLOWING UP TO NEW DIMENTIONS ,,in other words insulin if done right and consistantly enough as in with each meal,,will make the muscles fuller bigger larger and with the added halo dender and harder (ofcourse takes more than halo but i chose it as an example since it is another VERY VERY TOXIC BULLSHIT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT while in reality the sides are minimal if at all unless you dont know whach you are doing and are not a bodybuilder to begin with
people sit and drink and smokin weed and do the coke thing on a regular basis in usa,,and you talk about insulin ::) its the coke and drinking with somas that kills you my friends,,not the insulin
half of usa would be dead by now if slin killed you
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN TAKING SLIN,,YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU CANT CONFUSE MESURMENTS WITH SLIN AND NEED TO KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO TAKE IT AND WITH WHAT FOR IT TO NOT BE "RISKY"
i have yet to see one single bodybuilder that has died as a result of aas growth and insulin only NOT EVEN ONE! and im talkin major abuse
It's funny to see you write almost perfectly grammatical English when you're writing in the heat of the moment trying to defend yourself. I guess it's hard to keep up the front when you're not consciously thinking about keeping up that front, eh? ;)
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notice that disgusted did not respond to my post about king, he knows it's true. ;D
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It's funny to see you write almost perfectly grammatical English when you're writing in the heat of the moment trying to defend yourself. I guess it's hard to keep up the front when you're not consciously thinking about keeping up that front, eh? ;)
Doesn't matter, Joey. What he posts is what matters.
I don't like the guy because he talks about drugs all the time. However, he didn't create the drug-infested world of bodybuilding we live in. I just think he does well exposing the extent of the usage by many. I appreciate that. With all the things he's said, wouldn't you expect GH15 to try to hide his identity?
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notice that disgusted did not respond to my post about king, he knows it's true. ;D
No bro, it's that I don't really care about you. Sorry. :-* ;D
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No bro, it's that I don't really care about you. Sorry. :-* ;D
uh huh. ::)
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With all the things he's said, wouldn't you expect GH15 to try to hide his identity?
I don't have a problem with his anonymity. I DO have a problem with him claiming he is a top 10 Olympia competitor just to give himself credibility so he can sell more drugs.
Don't you think his ridiculous claims are a slap in the face to REAL top 10 Olympia competitors?
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I don't have a problem with his anonymity. I DO have a problem with him claiming he is a top 10 Olympia competitor just to give himself credibility so he can sell more drugs.
Don't you think his ridiculous claims are a slap in the face to REAL top 10 Olympia competitors?
Honestly...no, not really. They are all walking advertisements for pharmaceuticals anyway.
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god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned
how can we believe these doses are the ones you take if we don't know you're the mass monster you claim to be?
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I don't have a problem with his anonymity. I DO have a problem with him claiming he is a top 10 Olympia competitor just to give himself credibility so he can sell more drugs.
Don't you think his ridiculous claims are a slap in the face to REAL top 10 Olympia competitors?
he doesn't sell drugs he does have the anabolic refeence guide and anabolic reviews by his bedside though.
nice cut and pastes he does..
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he doesn't sell drugs he does have the anabolic refeence guide and anabolic reviews by his bedside though.
nice cut and pastes he does..
see how easy that was, not one mention of your obsession ;D
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he doesn't sell drugs he does have the anabolic refeence guide and anabolic reviews by his bedside though.
nice cut and pastes he does..
If you know this, cut and paste from the same sources and you can provide the same info as GH15.
::)
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how can we believe these doses are the ones you take if we don't know you're the mass monster you claim to be?
right on
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god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned
the thing that is funny to me is that many here sit and say oh no insulin is very very risky,,NO IT IS NOT IF DONE PROPERLY AND YOU ARE FEMILIAR WITH ITS SIDES,,humulin r would not be sold in the usa script free to any one who wants it and that includes 16 year olds if insulin was that risky! INSULIN IS ANOTHER WAY OF THICKENING YOUR PHYSIQE AND BLOWING UP TO NEW DIMENTIONS ,,in other words insulin if done right and consistantly enough as in with each meal,,will make the muscles fuller bigger larger and with the added halo dender and harder (ofcourse takes more than halo but i chose it as an example since it is another VERY VERY TOXIC BULLSHIT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT while in reality the sides are minimal if at all unless you dont know whach you are doing and are not a bodybuilder to begin with
people sit and drink and smokin weed and do the coke thing on a regular basis in usa,,and you talk about insulin ::) its the coke and drinking with somas that kills you my friends,,not the insulin
half of usa would be dead by now if slin killed you
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN TAKING SLIN,,YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU CANT CONFUSE MESURMENTS WITH SLIN AND NEED TO KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO TAKE IT AND WITH WHAT FOR IT TO NOT BE "RISKY"
i have yet to see one single bodybuilder that has died as a result of aas growth and insulin only NOT EVEN ONE! and im talkin major abuse
um, ok. So why am I so dumb? You never addressed my statement calling you a fraud for saying pro bbers mix slin and gh in the same inject...I never said it was risky, I said it was stupid because it's a waste of your gh -- go back and re-read my post -- it is VERY clear as to my meaning.
You simply went off on your own little meltdown and are trying to distract the readers by going off on a tangent...liars are the ones who go apeshit (like you) when they are backed into a corner.
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show me whjere i said that we take it in the exact same inject,,although some do to be exact,,,and i will retract that statement or most likley wrote something you coulodnt understand because of wonderful grammer i poses,,
in anycase,,the injects are many a day ,,,and the gh is an inject by itself and so it the slin ,,,its a fuckin insulin syrnge for christ sake,,tiny 28 29 30 gauge,,you can go 50 times a day if wanted (now he will say i said we inject it 50 times a day :D)
we take slin with every meal period
we take growth number of times a day SEPERATELY from slin as in diff syrnge
it can be taken same time wont make any diff,,the number of times we inject those products makes it 24/7 endevour and thus duration and thus results and thus constant blood plasma levels and thus big big beast my friend
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any news of King Kamali ??
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To better clarify my point about Milos, I believe he is credible and believable about what he is saying here about his veiws on slin and anabolic doses and I am basing this on what I have seen with my own eyes and from what my friend tells me who has directly worked with Milos and spent a lot of time with him. I am not saying that Milos has never lied in his life or is God like. ::)
Upping the slin dose and lowering the anabolics has worked for some. This does not mean, like I said before that everyone is doing low dose anabolics. I am also not trying to be polictically correct by trying to make it seem that Milos and GH15 are both right. Hell, if I didn't agree with Milos or GH15 I would certainly say.
You simply took the middle ground which is the most sensible thing to do. Look, gh15 has said himself that he's sometimes on what the average gym rat's on, and that would easily fall into the 1200-2000mg range. And Milos hasn't said whether or not most all these guys have all gone upwards of 4-5 grams a week for a cycle or two just to see what it'd do, but when you're coming down off one of those, I'll bet it favors getting ripped more than anything else to also be coasting on in from about 8 weeks out on 1800-2500mg's or higher quality stuff and upping your growth and/or insulin. So that's definitely what Milos could have been talking about and so looking at it from this perspective, neither end of the gh15/Milos spectrum is at all inconceivable.
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any news of King Kamali ??
damn look how fatassive kamali was then slin's a helluva drug
i owas once tolled by a reliable source kamali di 4 grams of deca a week and 2 grams of test.
Now should i believe them?....they were a pro and told me to triple my dose if I wasnted to make it big....told me 6 grams was the magic number and this was in 2001.
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I seen pics of Jim and he doesn't even look like he workout. Jim and king have a lot in common ;D
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any news of King Kamali ??
Doing the Montreal show Sept. 8th. 278 as of this morning.
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Disgusted, call me tomorrow if you have a chance...I will really like to talk to you...
Also, I would like to meet you one of these days (possibly in my gym - doing legs ;D...) and it will be my pleasure discussing with you ALL the subjects of our interest.
(BTW, speaking of legs - tomorrow 3PM sharp...if you are interested).
Now, sad truth is really that many people just don't want to THINK and they would LOVE TO BE LIED TO...
I am puzzled - thinking WHY would anyone think that I am trying to lie - especially about the subject of "drugs in bodybuilding".
What would be my reason to lie?
And why am I even being involved in this discussion?
What do I have to gain this time?
If I talk about my supplements - some would say - I am BS-ing everyone because I just want to make some money...but WHAT in the God's name could I possibly gain telling you all that AMOUNTS POSTED by gh15 is down right DANGEROUS and super exaggerated.
As I SWEAR that I am not lying I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to show dozens of cycles (top IFBB pros and Olympia competitors) to Disgusted - as I believe he is very much respected here.
Why am I doing it?
Well, I said so many times - I choose to LOVE people in general rather than hate...and CARE rather than ignore.
Would it be easier for me to ignore this (and other issues I was involved in?)...OFF COURSE IT WOULD.
But, regardless of the attacks and 'abuse' from few ungrateful assholes I am willing to take more punches for the sake of SAVING FEW LIVES, hundreds of hearts, livers, kidneys, as well as thousands of hepatic, renal and cardiovascular complications of naive getbig members (excuse my language - but even though I was keeping my class for years here on getbig board - never using a foul language - I used "asshole" and "idiot" on purpose - as I do believe that THIS TIME it is appropriate - as person who would irresponsibly jeopardise hundreds or even thousands of lives with his outrageous recommendations needs to be labeled at first and than punished for his type of "terrorism").
As Garraeth is MY TRAINING PARTNER for a while he will be able to confirm MANY cycles from numerous TOP pros...but respectfully WE CANNOT MENTION THE NAMES...
That would be just a little bit "too much"...don't you think?
I will maybe cross the line by saying that my two "freshest" examples of two Olympia competitors who I personally know would BOTH fit into the guidelines I posted.
Both of them qualified and competed in the Olympia several times and one's cycle would be EXACTLY as follows:
start 12 weeks out:
weeks 1-4: 250mg TEST + 200mg DECA - every 4th day
50 mg Anadrol/day
4IU GH/day - 6 days a week
weeks 5-8: 250 mg TEST + 200mg EQ - every 4th day
2 weeks of Anadrol 50 mg/day and than switching to 2 weeks of Anavar 50 mg/day
6IU GH/day - 6 days a week
weeks 9-10: 100mg TEST.PROP (every other day) + 100mg WINSTROL (every other day on alternate days) + 1mg ARIMIDEX/day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 6IU GH/day - 6 days a week
week 11: 100 mg WINSTROL every day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 1 mg ARIMIDEX/day + 20 mg NOLVADEX/day
week 12: 50mg ANAVAR/day + 40 mg NOLVADEX/day
Night before the contest: 1 DYAZIDE
Morning of the contest: HALF DYAZIDE
Now THINK of this cycle and realize that guy did NEVER took Insulin, IGF, T3, T4, CLEN...and made it to OLYMPIA stage more than once....
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Kris Dims cycle and yes in this instance i believe him, truth is Milos no offence but your guys only tell you half what they take ;)
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Disgusted, call me tomorrow if you have a chance...I will really like to talk to you...
Also, I would like to meet you one of these days (possibly in my gym - doing legs ;D...) and it will be my pleasure discussing with you ALL the subjects of our interest.
(BTW, speaking of legs - tomorrow 3PM sharp...if you are interested).
Now, sad truth is really that many people just don't want to THINK and they would LOVE TO BE LIED TO...
I am puzzled - thinking WHY would anyone think that I am trying to lie - especially about the subject of "drugs in bodybuilding".
What would be my reason to lie?
And why am I even being involved in this discussion?
What do I have to gain this time?
If I talk about my supplements - some would say - I am BS-ing everyone because I just want to make some money...but WHAT in the God's name could I possibly gain telling you all that AMOUNTS POSTED by gh15 is down right DANGEROUS and super exaggerated.
As I SWEAR that I am not lying I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to show dozens of cycles (top IFBB pros and Olympia competitors) to Disgusted - as I believe he is very much respected here.
Why am I doing it?
Well, I said so many times - I choose to LOVE people in general rather than hate...and CARE rather than ignore.
Would it be easier for me to ignore this (and other issues I was involved in?)...OFF COURSE IT WOULD.
But, regardless of the attacks and 'abuse' from few ungrateful assholes I am willing to take more punches for the sake of SAVING FEW LIVES, hundreds of hearts, livers, kidneys, as well as thousands of hepatic, renal and cardiovascular complications of naive getbig members (excuse my language - but even though I was keeping my class for years here on getbig board - never using a foul language - I used "asshole" and "idiot" on purpose - as I do believe that THIS TIME it is appropriate - as person who would irresponsibly jeopardise hundreds or even thousands of lives with his outrageous recommendations needs to be labeled at first and than punished for his type of "terrorism").
As Garraeth is MY TRAINING PARTNER for a while he will be able to confirm MANY cycles from numerous TOP pros...but respectfully WE CANNOT MENTION THE NAMES...
That would be just a little bit "too much"...don't you think?
I will maybe cross the line by saying that my two "freshest" examples of two Olympia competitors who I personally know would BOTH fit into the guidelines I posted.
Both of them qualified and competed in the Olympia several times and one's cycle would be EXACTLY as follows:
start 12 weeks out:
weeks 1-4: 250mg TEST + 200mg DECA - every 4th day
50 mg Anadrol/day
4IU GH/day - 6 days a week
weeks 5-8: 250 mg TEST + 200mg EQ - every 4th day
2 weeks of Anadrol 50 mg/day and than switching to 2 weeks of Anavar 50 mg/day
6IU GH/day - 6 days a week
weeks 9-10: 100mg TEST.PROP (every other day) + 100mg WINSTROL (every other day on alternate days) + 1mg ARIMIDEX/day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 6IU GH/day - 6 days a week
week 11: 100 mg WINSTROL every day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 1 mg ARIMIDEX/day + 20 mg NOLVADEX/day
week 12: 50mg ANAVAR/day + 40 mg NOLVADEX/day
Night before the contest: 1 DYAZIDE
Morning of the contest: HALF DYAZIDE
Now THINK of this cycle and realize that guy did NEVER took Insulin, IGF, T3, T4, CLEN...and made it to OLYMPIA stage more than once....
HAHAHA.
EPIC CYCLE, MONSTER LIE.
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if it wasnt laughable i would cry
i feel sad for you milos sacrev,,you need to live with your god not me,,judgment day will come when you stand before him youll see
tomas prince
the persian
the arab
the wiss
the germans
bunch and bunch of americans from branch to current champ
99% of pro card holders that compete 250lb+ are following what i say like bible because it isnt something i say it is written in the bodybuilding bible! i DID NOT CLAIM TO MAKE IT UP like the shit you feed them and the nonesense ecusation you have against me with no proof! when every single person saw you led handcuffs on,,to le hands and some of us know a lot more than they say!
again let me warn you i am not an internet wanna be but enough of your bullshit,,enough of wanting to make a buck,,enough of this hrt cycles that only shut you down,,,and also bodybuilding is a long process there is a lot more going on when time to grow arrives and not prep ,,,,but not to worry you were dumb enough to lie about the prep too,,so that leaves me with the assumptions that ray is right about every single thing he said about you,,,and no i have nothing with ray and he got nothing to do with it,,im just tired of your bullcrap milos sacrev
add liar to the list of misdiminor,,felon,,etc etc,,you did more danage lately than help if i need to be honest
in any case any sane bodybuilder in this board knows the truth,,with or with out the fake sheets of paper,,you take a look at pictures of
dorian
kevin
fux
matarazza
prince
list can go on for 3 days
many of them with good genetic repond yet have nothing now and the ones who have are hormonized and try to train to keep something but it is shadows of past ,,like 2 diff people,,and you talkin about bodybuilders who been doing it for 10s od years good 20-30 years at the least so something should have stick and stayed
the picture of the swiss should be enough for any normal human being to know whats going on
the picture of dim should be enough for any normal human being to know who was working with him!
the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING
you are either a complete liar or you are a fool trying to save himself from le long hands,,i guess the second
its beyond my level of expertese and!,, i had and still have better career than milos,, to even answer this rubbish but i do it because somewhere here there is a guy 20 year old sitting and reading it and he at the end will decide i was right and i spoke the truth,,that by itself is worth it for me
be good dont lie!
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be good dont lie!
Ironic, coming from you.
So, are you REALLY a top 10 Olympia competitor like you have claimed?
::)
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So, are you REALLY a top 10 Olympia competitor like you have claimed?
::)
He is if the IFBB is now qualifying 15-year-old internet warriors for the Olympia. ::)
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He is if the IFBB is now qualifying 15-year-old internet warriors for the Olympia. ::)
hahahah! very true ;D
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Milos' Sample Cycle
start 12 weeks out:
weeks 1-4: 250mg TEST + 200mg DECA - every 4th day
50 mg Anadrol/day
4IU GH/day - 6 days a week
weeks 5-8: 250 mg TEST + 200mg EQ - every 4th day
2 weeks of Anadrol 50 mg/day and than switching to 2 weeks of Anavar 50 mg/day
6IU GH/day - 6 days a week
weeks 9-10: 100mg TEST.PROP (every other day) + 100mg WINSTROL (every other day on alternate days) + 1mg ARIMIDEX/day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 6IU GH/day - 6 days a week
week 11: 100 mg WINSTROL every day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 1 mg ARIMIDEX/day + 20 mg NOLVADEX/day
week 12: 50mg ANAVAR/day + 40 mg NOLVADEX/day
Night before the contest: 1 DYAZIDE
Morning of the contest: HALF DYAZIDE
I think Milos is being fairly honest about the pre-contest cycle, but I think gh15 is referring to what most competitors are on year-round to maintain their 270-300lb size. Bottom line is that some guys (Levrone, Cormier, Melvin) are comfortable taking a break without worrying about shrinking, some guys overeat to help retain their size (Priest, Kamali) and some guys stay fully geared out year round (You Know Who). Everyone has seen Levrone's genetic response to gear. Clearly, not everyone has the ability to go from 0-60 in 12 weeks. Therefore, we should accept that there may be huge disparities between what one Pro takes versus what another takes. And everyone knows guys in their gym or guys at the junior national level who probably take 2-3x what many Pros take in their efforts to crack top ten at a national show. That said, here is what a certain top contender was doing three weeks out of a show.
INSIDE SCOOP CYCLE OF 2006 TOP FIVE MR. O COMPETITOR
***
THREE WEEKS OUT
Stop EQ and PROP
Every other day
100mg WINSTROL-V
100mg MASTER
100mg PRIMO
100mg TREN
Daily
50mg tab of PRIMO (or ANAVAR) tabs
5 IUs GH once a day
4 CLEN (double strength)
Water
2 Gallons/Day
ONE WEEK OUT
Stop everything except WV
Water/Diet
Drop to 1.5 gallons for Wednesday, 1.5 gallons on Thursday and then 4 ounces on Friday.
No change in Protein or Carbs - 1 cup of oatmeal in the morning and a yam before night workout
Diuretics
Half tabs of DYAZIDE and ALDACTIDE twice on Thursday and twice on Friday
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Disgusted, call me tomorrow if you have a chance...I will really like to talk to you...
Also, I would like to meet you one of these days (possibly in my gym - doing legs ;D...) and it will be my pleasure discussing with you ALL the subjects of our interest.
(BTW, speaking of legs - tomorrow 3PM sharp...if you are interested).
I'll give you a buz this week. As far as legs go, I live in Ohio so I am in luck cause I have heard about your leg workouts and I'm not ready for a heart attack yet. ;D Are you by chance going to the Montreal show?
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the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING
how did milos end up like that? didnt aspirate with seo? what's that
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how did milos end up like that? didnt aspirate with seo? what's that
Hi Texasbubba, Lee Thompson, Zaney, whatever...
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if it wasnt laughable i would cry
i feel sad for you milos sacrev,,you need to live with your god not me,,judgment day will come when you stand before him youll see
tomas prince
the persian
the arab
the wiss
the germans
bunch and bunch of americans from branch to current champ
99% of pro card holders that compete 250lb+ are following what i say like bible because it isnt something i say it is written in the bodybuilding bible! i DID NOT CLAIM TO MAKE IT UP like the shit you feed them and the nonesense ecusation you have against me with no proof! when every single person saw you led handcuffs on,,to le hands and some of us know a lot more than they say!
again let me warn you i am not an internet wanna be but enough of your bullshit,,enough of wanting to make a buck,,enough of this hrt cycles that only shut you down,,,and also bodybuilding is a long process there is a lot more going on when time to grow arrives and not prep ,,,,but not to worry you were dumb enough to lie about the prep too,,so that leaves me with the assumptions that ray is right about every single thing he said about you,,,and no i have nothing with ray and he got nothing to do with it,,im just tired of your bullcrap milos sacrev
add liar to the list of misdiminor,,felon,,etc etc,,you did more danage lately than help if i need to be honest
in any case any sane bodybuilder in this board knows the truth,,with or with out the fake sheets of paper,,you take a look at pictures of
dorian
kevin
fux
matarazza
prince
list can go on for 3 days
many of them with good genetic repond yet have nothing now and the ones who have are hormonized and try to train to keep something but it is shadows of past ,,like 2 diff people,,and you talkin about bodybuilders who been doing it for 10s od years good 20-30 years at the least so something should have stick and stayed
the picture of the swiss should be enough for any normal human being to know whats going on
the picture of dim should be enough for any normal human being to know who was working with him!
the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING
you are either a complete liar or you are a fool trying to save himself from le long hands,,i guess the second
its beyond my level of expertese and!,, i had and still have better career than milos,, to even answer this rubbish but i do it because somewhere here there is a guy 20 year old sitting and reading it and he at the end will decide i was right and i spoke the truth,,that by itself is worth it for me
be good dont lie!
You should be immediately put in the mental hospital...or arrested and put away for life...and that is probably where you are going (if not there already?).
My conversation with you ends here - but ANYTIME you want to visit me or arrange the meeting - I will certainly make time to see you.
Also - as I do talk to MAJORITY of the top pros and could get just about anyone to participate in discovering the truth - I challenge you to name pros who use "your cycles" and I will personally approach them - to check if you are right...
Like "if" is even a question...
And just like you said that "EVERY SINGLE person saw me led handcuffs on" - can you NAME ONE who actually did?
And besides Tomas Prince - can you mention ANY OTHER NAME?
Can you mention yours?
You are disgrace to human kind and truly painful to "read" - so I will leave you in your misery and stupidity...
However - if you are ever ready for ANY KIND of challenge...ANY KIND - I am accepting it in advance.
Now, please do us all a huge favor - and do "your cycle"...
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I'll give you a buz this week. As far as legs go, I live in Ohio so I am in luck cause I have heard about your leg workouts and I'm not ready for a heart attack yet. ;D Are you by chance going to the Montreal show?
99% YES (for Montreal)...
Looking foreword to talk to you.
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You should be immediately put in the mental hospital...or arrested and put away for life...and that is probably where you are going (if not there already?).
My conversation with you ends here - but ANYTIME you want to visit me or arrange the meeting - I will certainly make time to see you.
Also - as I do talk to MAJORITY of the top pros and could get just about anyone to participate in discovering the truth - I challenge you to name pros who use "your cycles" and I will personally approach them - to check if you are right...
Like "if" is even a question...
And just like you said that "EVERY SINGLE person saw me led handcuffs on" - can you NAME ONE who actually did?
And besides Tomas Prince - can you mention ANY OTHER NAME?
Can you mention yours?
You are disgrace to human kind and truly painful to "read" - so I will leave you in your misery and stupidity...
However - if you are ever ready for ANY KIND of challenge...ANY KIND - I am accepting it in advance.
Now, please do us all a huge favor - and do "your cycle"...
The Great Milos has ONCE AGAIN made that internet troll gh15 his BIYATCH hahaha
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Hi Texasbubba, Lee Thompson, Zaney, whatever...
hi Milos' bitch.
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The Great Milos has ONCE AGAIN made that internet troll gh15 his BIYATCH hahaha
I am not after making anyone my "whatever" - I am seriously disturbed with idiotic and plain dangerous message this moron is sending to my "brothers of iron"...
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You should be immediately put in the mental hospital...or arrested and put away for life...and that is probably where you are going (if not there already?).
My conversation with you ends here - but ANYTIME you want to visit me or arrange the meeting - I will certainly make time to see you.
Also - as I do talk to MAJORITY of the top pros and could get just about anyone to participate in discovering the truth - I challenge you to name pros who use "your cycles" and I will personally approach them - to check if you are right...
Like "if" is even a question...
And just like you said that "EVERY SINGLE person saw me led handcuffs on" - can you NAME ONE who actually did?
And besides Tomas Prince - can you mention ANY OTHER NAME?
Can you mention yours?
You are disgrace to human kind and truly painful to "read" - so I will leave you in your misery and stupidity...
However - if you are ever ready for ANY KIND of challenge...ANY KIND - I am accepting it in advance.
Now, please do us all a huge favor - and do "your cycle"...
for one who claim to have brain and english on his side you would know that i said plenty of times I CAME ON THIS SITE ANNONYMOUS FOR A REASON! AND THE REASON IS MORONS LIKE YOU,,LIARS AND BAD PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IF KNEW WHO I WAS AND CONNECTED GH15 WITH MY NAME WOULD GO FOR THE "KILL" IN ANY WAY THEY COULD BECAUSE I DESTROYED WHAT THEY BUILD AND DO IT WITH WORDS ONLY! I KEEP MY PRIVACY FOR SECURITY REASONS BECAUSE LOOK WHO IM DEALIN HERE WITH,,,CONVICTS SUCH AS YORUSELF!
DO YOU THINK PROS WILL GO AND SAY WE DO THAT INSULIN DOSES AND THAT GH DOSES AND THAT TESTOSTERONE DOSES? NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD ADMIT TO IT IN THE OPEN UNDER THEIR FUCKIN REAL NAME! LE WILL BE AT THEIR HOUSE WITHIN 24 HOURS LATER,,AND MANY NEWBES WILL BE GETTING SICK (BUT EVERYTIME I WRITE SOMETHING I MAKE SURE I WRITE IT IS FOR A TOP LEVEL BODYBUILDER AT THE HIEGHER LEVELS AND NOT A GREENIE!)
I REALLY THINK YOU LIKE TO THINK YOURE A SMART ASS BUT IN REALITY I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GOT KICKED OUT OF THE IFBB,,YOU TALK TOO MUCH,,YOU LIE TOO MUCH,,,
OH AND EVERY ONE SAW YOU IN HANDCUFFS AND MOST OF THE KIDS HERE WILL FIND THAT PICTURE EASILY IF TRIED IM NOT UP FOR FINDING PICTURES FOR YOU,,YOU WERE LEAD LIKE A FELON AND YOU KNOW IT
EVERYONE YOU EVER TOUCHED EVEN NONE BODYBUILDERS WERE ON DRUGS! YOU ARE A LIAR AND THE CYCLE YOU POSTED IS AN INSULT TO ANYONE WHO EVER BODYBUILD IN THE HIGHER LEVELS BECAUSE NTO ONLY ITS NOT HALF BUT IT IS NOT EVEN 1/4
BAD LIAR THAT IS ALL THAT STAY IN MY HEAD WHEN THINKING OF YOU ,,I DONT LIKE LIARS,,THEY LIVE SHORT LIFE! WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE CAN ERASE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DONE,,INFACT WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE AND THE PERSON MAY NOT SEE THE NEXT DAY
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I think Milos is being fairly honest about the pre-contest cycle, but I think gh15 is referring to what most competitors are on year-round to maintain their 270-300lb size. Bottom line is that some guys (Levrone, Cormier, Melvin) are comfortable taking a break without worrying about shrinking, some guys overeat to help retain their size (Priest, Kamali) and some guys stay fully geared out year round (You Know Who). Everyone has seen Levrone's genetic response to gear. Clearly, not everyone has the ability to go from 0-60 in 12 weeks. Therefore, we should accept that there may be huge disparities between what one Pro takes versus what another takes. And everyone knows guys in their gym or guys at the junior national level who probably take 2-3x what many Pros take in their efforts to crack top ten at a national show. That said, here is what a certain top contender was doing three weeks out of a show.
INSIDE SCOOP CYCLE OF 2006 TOP FIVE MR. O COMPETITOR
***
THREE WEEKS OUT
Stop EQ and PROP
Every other day
100mg WINSTROL-V
100mg MASTER
100mg PRIMO
100mg TREN
Daily
50mg tab of PRIMO (or ANAVAR) tabs
5 IUs GH once a day
4 CLEN (double strength)
Water
2 Gallons/Day
ONE WEEK OUT
Stop everything except WV
Water/Diet
Drop to 1.5 gallons for Wednesday, 1.5 gallons on Thursday and then 4 ounces on Friday.
No change in Protein or Carbs - 1 cup of oatmeal in the morning and a yam before night workout
Diuretics
Half tabs of DYAZIDE and ALDACTIDE twice on Thursday and twice on Friday
this cycle is good and typical local level cycles,,in the higher levels we dont use half of this garbage such as anavar unless it is at very high dose,,anavar = girly men,,its for fuckin women for god sake or for the guy who wanna look good in the beach at 180lb,,we use halo which is anavar for men,,halo is the secret my friends or if not halo high dose of anavar but no 50mg nothings,,also primo tablets we dont use ,,also female product and the liver break it like there is no tomorrow so even plenty of women avoid it,,if used we go to the 200+mg levels and we dont so no worries
rest is ok for locals and maybe regional if you are one hell of a walking freak which is rare VERY VERY RARE
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here is what a certain top contender was doing three weeks out of a show.
INSIDE SCOOP CYCLE OF 2006 TOP FIVE MR. O COMPETITOR
You're calling top 5 Olympia competitor a girl/local/regional?
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most likley not a pro but even if it is a pro and ed may be right and this guy he talked to is a professional,,ed doesnt know what the guy took in his bath tub or bedroom behind closed doors,,
the 50mg anavar is useless for us,,,we go for the halo HALLLLLLLLLO,,
primo tablets are useless for us (liver breaks it it doesnt do shit unless very high dose)
this is 3 week out cycle that looks like what a local would do ,,even local use more to be honest
it is not a pro if there is no halo,,anadrol,,winstrol in some form or another taken all together in a combo during prep,, period
the tablets may have said anavar apple cyder but rest assure they were halo,,the anadrol might have had liquid creatine written on it,,but rest assure it was liquid anadrol,,,and the winstrol may have looked like milk but rest assure it was winstrol,,
you cant come to me when i do this shit for living and tell me cycles that a 180lb dudes in local usa gym or russia gym doing,,dont work this way my friends,,just dont
out of respect to bodybuilders i dont out all of us that have health problem from problems in getting kids into the world to problems of living healthy life because our bone density is crap,,,etc etc etc
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Glad i write shit down.. GH wrote this one news years day i believe..
GH15 Cycle:
150mg Thai anabol/day british disp.
140mg Anavar Proxan Isp
300mg Prop/day Farmak Ukraine
200mg Masteron/day Masterol Isp
150mg-200mg Proviron/day Schering
15iu GH: 5 divided doses every 3 hours Humatrope
igf-1: 100mcg/day
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BAD LIAR THAT IS ALL THAT STAY IN MY HEAD WHEN THINKING OF YOU ,,I DONT LIKE LIARS,,THEY LIVE SHORT LIFE! WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE CAN ERASE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DONE,,INFACT WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE AND THE PERSON MAY NOT SEE THE NEXT DAY
Yet another meltdown from Mr Remailer. Whats the matter, your girlfriend messed up the danabol labels again?
Milos has more respect in the industry than you ever will, 'Mr top ten Olympia competitor' ::) You went to far with your recent 'mega cycle', and i'm sure you now regret it. Probably best to delete your account and start again.
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GH15 is da' greatest! Keep posting the REAL and let the Milos nuthuggers fume. These lyin' ass IFBB pros need to be exposed for their bullshit.
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OK can we rule out that gh15 is Milos now? ;D
GOOD STUFF,,,
8)
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OK can we rule out that gh15 is Milos now? ;D
GOOD STUFF,,,
8)
If it IS Milos, he's doing the best job of covering himself humanly possible. Fighting with yourself on a message board would be a great way to erase speculation. ;D
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if it wasnt laughable i would cry
i feel sad for you milos sacrev,,you need to live with your god not me,,judgment day will come when you stand before him youll see
tomas prince
the persian
the arab
the wiss
the germans
bunch and bunch of americans from branch to current champ
99% of pro card holders that compete 250lb+ are following what i say like bible because it isnt something i say it is written in the bodybuilding bible! i DID NOT CLAIM TO MAKE IT UP like the shit you feed them and the nonesense ecusation you have against me with no proof! when every single person saw you led handcuffs on,,to le hands and some of us know a lot more than they say!
again let me warn you i am not an internet wanna be but enough of your bullshit,,enough of wanting to make a buck,,enough of this hrt cycles that only shut you down,,,and also bodybuilding is a long process there is a lot more going on when time to grow arrives and not prep ,,,,but not to worry you were dumb enough to lie about the prep too,,so that leaves me with the assumptions that ray is right about every single thing he said about you,,,and no i have nothing with ray and he got nothing to do with it,,im just tired of your bullcrap milos sacrev
add liar to the list of misdiminor,,felon,,etc etc,,you did more danage lately than help if i need to be honest
in any case any sane bodybuilder in this board knows the truth,,with or with out the fake sheets of paper,,you take a look at pictures of
dorian
kevin
fux
matarazza
prince
list can go on for 3 days
many of them with good genetic repond yet have nothing now and the ones who have are hormonized and try to train to keep something but it is shadows of past ,,like 2 diff people,,and you talkin about bodybuilders who been doing it for 10s od years good 20-30 years at the least so something should have stick and stayed
the picture of the swiss should be enough for any normal human being to know whats going on
the picture of dim should be enough for any normal human being to know who was working with him!
the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING
you are either a complete liar or you are a fool trying to save himself from le long hands,,i guess the second
its beyond my level of expertese and!,, i had and still have better career than milos,, to even answer this rubbish but i do it because somewhere here there is a guy 20 year old sitting and reading it and he at the end will decide i was right and i spoke the truth,,that by itself is worth it for me
be good dont lie!
Personaly i respect Milos, he has given many useful information in this board with his ID......respect. I
believe half of gh15's sayings because hes ANONYMOUS, so like our mother's always said " DONT TRUST
STRANGERS "
BUT MILOS WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU HERE????????
(http://wpse.com/Galleries/1/123/Milos%20Sarcev_53480.jpg)
(http://wpse.com/Galleries/1/123/Milos%20Sarcev_53493.jpg)
Looks like you got a sunburn.....i got these from wpse.com
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I don’t know if what I am writing will help clear up any of the confusion as to what has been posted lately regarding this whole Milos and GH15 issue maybe it will help bring a different perspective. I can only judge a person on how they have treated me and others so are far as Milos goes I have never met him, but have spoken with him on the phone and he seems like a good guy. One of my best friends also speaks very highly of him and that is good enough for me.
There is a huge controversy about what Milos might recommend and whether he is lying or not. I can tell you guys that from what I know he is being totally honest about what he says as far as the sample cycle he posted a while back. How do I know this? Well, I have actually known this for a few years. (more on this later) Another reason is that one of my long time best friends recently moved to Cally and he is training at Milos’s gym and being trained by him. I know EXACTLY what my friend did for his show and it fell within the guidelines of what Milos posted. Maybe I would not have believed Milos if I did not know for a fact what my friend did, but I do know for sure. I also know exactly what 2 top pros did for their shows about 5 years ago that Milos helped and when I say exactly I mean EXACTLY! And I consider this 100% bet my life proof!!!!! Milos, if you are interested in knowing what I am referring just PM me. Anyway, maybe I am saying too much, but both of these pros were using 750mg of test per week. (total test not total anabolics) You guys need to remember that when using insulin you do not necessarily need to use massive amounts of other stuff. About 2 grams of various anabolics is sufficient. I will say that without the insulin one would not be nearly as big as they would be if not using slin.
Some of the cycles and doses that GH15 posts are believable and as far as I am concerned I don’t think that he is lying about what he posts. I am sure there are guys out there doing what he claims although I am not going to speculate as to who may be doing what. It is surely believable that some guys who maybe be using 40 iu’s of slin daily would also be using 7 to 10 grams a week of other stuff. If it is possible, then imo someone out there is doing it. If you take away the slin then in order to get as big as some guys who may be following a more Milos type cycle then they would surely have to use roughly 6 to 8 grams a week to replicate those type of gains. I am talking here about the big guys., 250 and beyond.
Lastly, I want to say especially to the younger guys on here that you DO NOT EVER need to take the kind of dosages that GH15 posts to be able to build a great looking physique. Nor do you need to take insulin. I know of two guys who almost bit the dust from using slin and both used only 10 iu’s. Diet is the most important issue when it comes to looking good. Keeping your BF low and being able to see your muscles will make you look a lot bigger than you really are and that is impressive in and of itself. If you can not handle being disciplined then find another fucking hobby! Hope this helps ( I really mean it). :)
This should be the standard disclaimer on every BB website, article and contest flyer.
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Personaly i respect Milos, he has given many useful information in this board with his ID......respect. I
believe half of gh15's sayings because hes ANONYMOUS, so like our mother's always said " DONT TRUST
STRANGERS "
BUT MILOS WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU HERE????????
(http://wpse.com/Galleries/1/123/Milos%20Sarcev_53480.jpg)
(http://wpse.com/Galleries/1/123/Milos%20Sarcev_53493.jpg)
Looks like you got a sunburn.....i got these from wpse.com
what happened to him here? he looked like he fell into a shithole
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It's funny to see you write almost perfectly grammatical English when you're writing in the heat of the moment trying to defend yourself. I guess it's hard to keep up the front when you're not consciously thinking about keeping up that front, eh? ;)
It definitely doesn't matter. The information is what counts.
Not to mention that if you think that is anywhere near "perfectly grammatical" (which in and of itself is not proper grammar) than I'd say you better introduce the pot and the kettle.
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what happened to him here? he looked like he fell into a shithole
This is what happened when he saw Dorian in 93. Realised there was no point in competing anymore and tried to commit suicide.
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This is what happened when he saw Dorian in 93. Realised there was no point in competing anymore and tried to commit suicide.
It's a waste that he failed.
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Personaly i respect Milos, he has given many useful information in this board with his ID......respect. I
believe half of gh15's sayings because hes ANONYMOUS, so like our mother's always said " DONT TRUST
STRANGERS "
Well I think many here probably won't believe half of Milos's side just because he isn't anonymous, so yeah, that makes sense. I'm still with Disturbed here though. I think the truth lies somewhere in between. As is usually the case.
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What is there to clear up? I didn`t read the thread but I will go ahead and add my 2 cents for free...
Milos is a weasel. GH15 is a fox. Together they play in the magic forest with other animals. The other animals want to eat. The fox and the weasel work for buttered popcorn.
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What is there to clear up? I didn`t read the thread but I will go ahead and add my 2 cents for free...
Milos is a weasel. GH15 is a fox. Together they play in the magic forest with other animals. The other animals want to eat. The fox and the weasel work for buttered popcorn.
OK but who gets to be the whippet? ;D
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I believe those pics were from a movie accident was in years ago. Can't remember the details though. Or maybe it was another bodybuilder.
Not picking sides here, but I know for a fact what several IFBB pros have used cycle wise for competitions. Being from Atlanta and South Florida, the pro scene is fairly small. While doses and compounds may change (basically based on availability at the time) nearly all pros that I know follow a standard formula of stopping all androgenic compounds 6-8 weeks out and sticking strictly to anabolics like primo, anavar, winstrol, eq or non water retaining androgens like halo and tren. Their doses are not fairly high either. Remember, 6 weeks out from a show, you are not going to build any muscle at all on a calorie deficient diet and the amount of cardio they do. It is all simply for retaining muscle mass they already have.
Off season is basically heavy androgens like test, deca and anadrol. Though those doses can get fairly high at times, a gram of test and a gram of deca per week is considered standard. Add in fast foods and hours spent on the couch sleeping or playing PS3 and you can't help but put weight on and swell up.
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I believe those pics were from a movie accident was in years ago. Can't remember the details though.
That's my understanding. Milos was badly burned on a movie set a few years ago. It was pretty widely talked about, so I can't believe many of you don't know about it.
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That's my understanding. Milos was badly burned on a movie set a few years ago. It was pretty widely talked about, so I can't believe many of you don't know about it.
Do many people give a shit about Milos?
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Do many people give a shit about Milos?
You tell me. It appears quite a few people do. He was a fairly popular bodybuilder when he competed. Particularly with the 500 or so women who actually follow this "sport".
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You tell me. It appears quite a few people do. He was a fairly popular bodybuilder when he competed. Particularly with the 500 or so women who actually follow this "sport".
And fags like you jerking off to his galleries online.
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Epic jelousy zaney.
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And fags like you jerking off to his galleries online.
You referring to me, bitch? You don't wanna take this on, kid.
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You referring to me, bitch? You don't wanna take this on, kid.
FAG
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FAG
Masterful comeback.
(http://k43.pbase.com/o4/97/320097/1/59222502.goodone.jpg)
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And so, in the vein of getbig, another interesting thread transforms into another Online Cagefight of the Keyboard Warriors.
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But that's just the point - what GH15 says is not reality. Disgusted said the biggest pros are following Milos' advice, not GH15's.
Plus if you follow GH15's advice, you'll be wasting a lot of money, time and health doing stupid things like mixing GH and slin in the same pin.
I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...they get no benefit from the GH, and GH is the most expensive thing out there...so it sucks their banks dry too. And, someone posted that the original gh15 cycle that started this was an old cycle Nasser put in some magazine in the past.
Gaereth many people use gh and slin in the same pin with brilliant results, started making gains again after the gains had just about stopped from taking gh and slin seperately, it works.
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Gaereth many people use gh and slin in the same pin with brilliant results, started making gains again after the gains had just about stopped from taking gh and slin seperately, it works.
'course...the slin effects remain. the GH gets destroyed. But it sure as hell is hard to tell if your GH is useless or not right after your inject -- but slin you know immediately.
It does not work. If you doubt me, call your local HRT doctor and ask if slin destroys GH. Take 2 minutes out of your day, look one up in the phone book and call. Not tough.
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'course...the slin effects remain. the GH gets destroyed. But it sure as hell is hard to tell if your GH is useless or not right after your inject -- but slin you know immediately.
It does not work. If you doubt me, call your local HRT doctor and ask if slin destroys GH. Take 2 minutes out of your day, look one up in the phone book and call. Not tough.
Fair enough, but i know for a 100% fact that shooting gh and slin together in 1 dose once a day, works, and works well, maybe it destroys the gh but maybe it adds to the potency of the slin, ive no idea, i know the gh blunts the fat shuttling effects of the slin, one thing i do know is that theres a lot of people atm, ( not noobs either) that are using it this way and they started making dramatic gains, when the gains had stopped, you can talk studies forever but you cant argue with real world experience.
Btw im not sticking up fior gh15 im just adding my 2 cents, i think the cycle he posted is an exaggerated one, but i do know people who use some pretty scary amounts of shit, definitely foolish imo.
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'course...the slin effects remain. the GH gets destroyed. But it sure as hell is hard to tell if your GH is useless or not right after your inject -- but slin you know immediately.
It does not work. If you doubt me, call your local HRT doctor and ask if slin destroys GH. Take 2 minutes out of your day, look one up in the phone book and call. Not tough.
You may be right but do you have a reference for this? Why does the GH get destroyed and not the other way around?
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You may be right but do you have a reference for this? Why does the GH get destroyed and not the other way around?
I don't. Just what the doc said...
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Glad i write shit down.. GH wrote this one news years day i believe..
GH15 Cycle:
150mg Thai anabol/day british disp.
140mg Anavar Proxan Isp
300mg Prop/day Farmak Ukraine
200mg Masteron/day Masterol Isp
150mg-200mg Proviron/day Schering
15iu GH: 5 divided doses every 3 hours Humatrope
igf-1: 100mcg/day
yes i stand by what i wrote but!
if you notice carefully i had big infection in the quad prior to that,,i think i mentioned it here and there on getbig,,this was coming back into shape entry kinda cycle,,you can afford it sometimes when you say you are clean or lower the doses,,you dont have to be high high all the time none stop.. only majority of your career not all your career,, and pay attention the anavar is at 140mg per day every day not 20 not 50,,
i just took it easy because of the severe abcess/infection i had prior and i was in recover mode but still had competition ,,which in the bodybuilding world no one likes to talk about,,everyone is always healthy like a bull or traveling pverseas to train while in reality they sit with their balls up their ass praying to god tellin their loved ones they will never do it again,,never use hormones again ,,never do extreme again,,and all is good and nice while youre in hospital true,,,but 5-6 months later when you healed and new all your promises go to garbage because we bodybuilders are addicted to bodybuilding and to what comes with it,,,
i dont ask a book writer to stop writing books,,and no one can ask bodybuilders to stop using hormones because we need to be able to compete at higher levels among other bodybuilders who use same exact compounds
if someone could compltely clean the industry and competely drop hormones and test for it which is immposible,, i would support it
with out hormones and other products competitions would be at 180-210lb for the typical 5'9 and everything would be lovely yet smaller and less conditioned