Trying to clear up the Milos, GH15 issue and other things

[Benny B]

It's funny to see you write almost perfectly grammatical English when you're writing in the heat of the moment trying to defend yourself.  I guess it's hard to keep up the front when you're not consciously thinking about keeping up that front, eh? 

Doesn't matter, Joey. What he posts is what matters.
I don't like the guy because he talks about drugs all the time. However, he didn't create the drug-infested world of bodybuilding we live in. I just think he does well exposing the extent of the usage by many. I appreciate that. With all the things he's said, wouldn't you expect GH15 to try to hide his identity?

[Disgusted]

notice that disgusted did not respond to my post about king, he knows it's true.   

No bro, it's that I don't really care about you. Sorry.  

[Bast000]

No bro, it's that I don't really care about you. Sorry. 

uh huh. 

[Joey Tito]

With all the things he's said, wouldn't you expect GH15 to try to hide his identity?

I don't have a problem with his anonymity.  I DO have a problem with him claiming he is a top 10 Olympia competitor just to give himself credibility so he can sell more drugs.

Don't you think his ridiculous claims are a slap in the face to REAL top 10 Olympia competitors?

[Benny B]

I don't have a problem with his anonymity.  I DO have a problem with him claiming he is a top 10 Olympia competitor just to give himself credibility so he can sell more drugs.

Don't you think his ridiculous claims are a slap in the face to REAL top 10 Olympia competitors?

Honestly...no, not really. They are all walking advertisements for pharmaceuticals anyway.

[chaos]

god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned

how can we believe these doses are the ones you take if we don't know you're the mass monster you claim to be?

[jason armstrong]

I don't have a problem with his anonymity.  I DO have a problem with him claiming he is a top 10 Olympia competitor just to give himself credibility so he can sell more drugs.

Don't you think his ridiculous claims are a slap in the face to REAL top 10 Olympia competitors?

he doesn't sell drugs he does have the anabolic refeence guide and anabolic reviews by his bedside though.

nice cut and pastes he does..

[chaos]

he doesn't sell drugs he does have the anabolic refeence guide and anabolic reviews by his bedside though.

nice cut and pastes he does..

see how easy that was, not one mention of your obsession

[Benny B]

he doesn't sell drugs he does have the anabolic refeence guide and anabolic reviews by his bedside though.

nice cut and pastes he does..

If you know this, cut and paste from the same sources and you can provide the same info as GH15.
 

[Joey Tito]

how can we believe these doses are the ones you take if we don't know you're the mass monster you claim to be?

right on

[garraeth]

god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned

the thing that is funny to me is that many here sit and say oh no insulin is very very risky,,NO IT IS NOT IF DONE PROPERLY AND YOU ARE FEMILIAR WITH ITS SIDES,,humulin r would not be sold in the usa script free to any one who wants it and that includes 16 year olds if insulin was that risky! INSULIN IS ANOTHER WAY OF THICKENING YOUR PHYSIQE AND BLOWING UP TO NEW DIMENTIONS ,,in other words insulin if done right and consistantly enough as in with each meal,,will make the muscles fuller bigger larger and with the added halo dender and harder (ofcourse takes more than halo but i chose it as an example since it is another VERY VERY TOXIC BULLSHIT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT while in reality the sides are minimal if at all unless you dont know whach you are doing and are not a bodybuilder to begin with

people sit and drink and smokin weed and do the coke thing on a regular basis in usa,,and you talk about insulin its the coke and drinking with somas that kills you my friends,,not the insulin

half of usa would be dead by now if slin killed you

YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN TAKING SLIN,,YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU CANT CONFUSE MESURMENTS WITH SLIN AND NEED TO KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO TAKE IT AND WITH WHAT FOR IT TO NOT BE "RISKY"

i have yet to see one single bodybuilder that has died as a result of aas growth and insulin only NOT EVEN ONE! and im talkin major abuse

um, ok. So why am I so dumb? You never addressed my statement calling you a fraud for saying pro bbers mix slin and gh in the same inject...I never said it was risky, I said it was stupid because it's a waste of your gh -- go back and re-read my post -- it is VERY clear as to my meaning.

You simply went off on your own little meltdown and are trying to distract the readers by going off on a tangent...liars are the ones who go apeshit (like you) when they are backed into a corner.

[gh15]

show me whjere i said that we take it in the exact same inject,,although some do to be exact,,,and i will retract that statement or most likley wrote something you coulodnt understand because of wonderful grammer i poses,,

in anycase,,the injects are many a day ,,,and the gh is an inject by itself and so it the slin ,,,its a fuckin insulin syrnge for christ sake,,tiny 28 29 30 gauge,,you can go 50 times a day if wanted (now he will say i said we inject it 50 times a day )

we take slin with every meal period
we take growth number of times a day SEPERATELY from slin as in diff syrnge

it can be taken same time wont make any diff,,the number of times we inject those products makes it 24/7 endevour and thus duration and thus results and thus constant blood plasma levels and thus big big beast my friend

[noodrin]

any news of King Kamali ??

[McFarland]

To better clarify my point about Milos, I believe he is credible and believable about what he is saying here about his veiws on slin and anabolic doses and I am basing this on what I have seen with my own eyes and from what my friend tells me who has directly worked with Milos and spent a lot of time with him. I am not saying that Milos has never lied in his life or is God like.  

Upping the slin dose and lowering the anabolics has worked for some. This does not mean, like I said before that everyone is doing low dose anabolics. I am also not trying to be polictically correct by trying to make it seem that Milos and GH15 are both right. Hell, if I didn't agree with Milos or GH15 I would certainly say.

You simply took the middle ground which is the most sensible thing to do.  Look, gh15 has said himself that he's sometimes on what the average gym rat's on, and that would easily fall into the 1200-2000mg range.  And Milos hasn't said whether or not most all these guys have all gone upwards of 4-5 grams a week for a cycle or two just to see what it'd do, but when you're coming down off one of those, I'll bet it favors getting ripped more than anything else to also be coasting on in from about 8 weeks out on 1800-2500mg's or higher quality stuff and upping your growth and/or insulin.  So that's definitely what Milos could have been talking about and so looking at it from this perspective, neither end of the gh15/Milos spectrum is at all inconceivable. 

[jason armstrong]

any news of King Kamali ??

damn look how fatassive kamali was then slin's a helluva drug

i owas once tolled by a reliable source kamali di 4 grams of deca a week and 2 grams of test.

Now should i believe them?....they were a pro and told me to triple my dose if I wasnted to make it big....told me 6 grams was the magic number and this was in 2001.

[sgt. d]

I seen pics of Jim and he doesn't even look like he workout. Jim and king have a lot in common

[Disgusted]

any news of King Kamali ??

Doing the Montreal show Sept. 8th. 278 as of this morning.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Disgusted, call me tomorrow if you have a chance...I will really like to talk to you...

Also, I would like to meet you one of these days (possibly in my gym - doing legs ...) and it will be my pleasure discussing with you ALL the subjects of our interest.

(BTW, speaking of legs - tomorrow 3PM sharp...if you are interested).

Now, sad truth is really that many people just don't want to THINK and they would LOVE TO BE LIED TO...
I am puzzled - thinking WHY would anyone think that I am trying to lie - especially about the subject of "drugs in bodybuilding".

What would be my reason to lie?

And why am I even being involved in this discussion?

What do I have to gain this time?
If I talk about my supplements - some would say - I am BS-ing everyone because I just want to make some money...but WHAT in the God's name could I possibly gain telling you all that AMOUNTS POSTED by gh15 is down right DANGEROUS and super exaggerated.

As I SWEAR that I am not lying I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to show dozens of cycles (top IFBB pros and Olympia competitors) to Disgusted - as I believe he is very much respected here.

Why am I doing it?

Well, I said so many times - I choose to LOVE people in general rather than hate...and CARE rather than ignore.
Would it be easier for me to ignore this (and other issues I was involved in?)...OFF COURSE IT WOULD.

But, regardless of the attacks and 'abuse' from few ungrateful assholes I am willing to take more punches for the sake of SAVING FEW LIVES, hundreds of hearts, livers, kidneys, as well as thousands of hepatic, renal and cardiovascular complications of naive getbig members (excuse my language - but even though I was keeping my class for years here on getbig board - never using a foul language - I used "asshole" and "idiot" on purpose - as I do believe that THIS TIME it is appropriate - as person who would irresponsibly jeopardise hundreds or even thousands of lives with his outrageous recommendations needs to be labeled at first and than punished for his type of "terrorism").

As Garraeth is MY TRAINING PARTNER for a while he will be able to confirm MANY cycles from numerous TOP pros...but respectfully WE CANNOT MENTION THE NAMES...
That would be just a little bit "too much"...don't you think?

I will maybe cross the line by saying that my two "freshest" examples of two Olympia competitors who I personally know would BOTH fit into the guidelines I posted.
Both of them qualified and competed in the Olympia several times and one's cycle would be EXACTLY as follows:

start 12 weeks out:
weeks 1-4: 250mg TEST + 200mg DECA - every 4th day
                50 mg Anadrol/day
                4IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 5-8: 250 mg TEST + 200mg EQ - every 4th day
                2 weeks of Anadrol 50 mg/day and than switching to 2 weeks of Anavar 50 mg/day
                6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 9-10: 100mg TEST.PROP (every other day) + 100mg WINSTROL (every other day on alternate days) + 1mg ARIMIDEX/day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

week 11: 100 mg WINSTROL every day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 1 mg ARIMIDEX/day + 20 mg NOLVADEX/day

week 12: 50mg ANAVAR/day + 40 mg NOLVADEX/day
              Night before the contest: 1 DYAZIDE
              Morning of the contest: HALF DYAZIDE


Now THINK of this cycle and realize that guy did NEVER took Insulin, IGF, T3, T4, CLEN...and made it to OLYMPIA stage more than once....

[honest]

Kris Dims cycle and yes in this instance i believe him, truth is Milos no offence but your guys only tell you half what they take

[Zaney]

Disgusted, call me tomorrow if you have a chance...I will really like to talk to you...

Also, I would like to meet you one of these days (possibly in my gym - doing legs ...) and it will be my pleasure discussing with you ALL the subjects of our interest.

(BTW, speaking of legs - tomorrow 3PM sharp...if you are interested).

Now, sad truth is really that many people just don't want to THINK and they would LOVE TO BE LIED TO...
I am puzzled - thinking WHY would anyone think that I am trying to lie - especially about the subject of "drugs in bodybuilding".

What would be my reason to lie?

And why am I even being involved in this discussion?

What do I have to gain this time?
If I talk about my supplements - some would say - I am BS-ing everyone because I just want to make some money...but WHAT in the God's name could I possibly gain telling you all that AMOUNTS POSTED by gh15 is down right DANGEROUS and super exaggerated.

As I SWEAR that I am not lying I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to show dozens of cycles (top IFBB pros and Olympia competitors) to Disgusted - as I believe he is very much respected here.

Why am I doing it?

Well, I said so many times - I choose to LOVE people in general rather than hate...and CARE rather than ignore.
Would it be easier for me to ignore this (and other issues I was involved in?)...OFF COURSE IT WOULD.

But, regardless of the attacks and 'abuse' from few ungrateful assholes I am willing to take more punches for the sake of SAVING FEW LIVES, hundreds of hearts, livers, kidneys, as well as thousands of hepatic, renal and cardiovascular complications of naive getbig members (excuse my language - but even though I was keeping my class for years here on getbig board - never using a foul language - I used "asshole" and "idiot" on purpose - as I do believe that THIS TIME it is appropriate - as person who would irresponsibly jeopardise hundreds or even thousands of lives with his outrageous recommendations needs to be labeled at first and than punished for his type of "terrorism").

As Garraeth is MY TRAINING PARTNER for a while he will be able to confirm MANY cycles from numerous TOP pros...but respectfully WE CANNOT MENTION THE NAMES...
That would be just a little bit "too much"...don't you think?

I will maybe cross the line by saying that my two "freshest" examples of two Olympia competitors who I personally know would BOTH fit into the guidelines I posted.
Both of them qualified and competed in the Olympia several times and one's cycle would be EXACTLY as follows:

start 12 weeks out:
weeks 1-4: 250mg TEST + 200mg DECA - every 4th day
                50 mg Anadrol/day
                4IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 5-8: 250 mg TEST + 200mg EQ - every 4th day
                2 weeks of Anadrol 50 mg/day and than switching to 2 weeks of Anavar 50 mg/day
                6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 9-10: 100mg TEST.PROP (every other day) + 100mg WINSTROL (every other day on alternate days) + 1mg ARIMIDEX/day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

week 11: 100 mg WINSTROL every day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 1 mg ARIMIDEX/day + 20 mg NOLVADEX/day

week 12: 50mg ANAVAR/day + 40 mg NOLVADEX/day
              Night before the contest: 1 DYAZIDE
              Morning of the contest: HALF DYAZIDE


Now THINK of this cycle and realize that guy did NEVER took Insulin, IGF, T3, T4, CLEN...and made it to OLYMPIA stage more than once....

HAHAHA.

EPIC CYCLE, MONSTER LIE.

[gh15]

if it wasnt laughable i would cry
i feel sad for you milos sacrev,,you need to live with your god not me,,judgment day will come when you stand before him youll see

tomas prince
the persian
the arab
the wiss
the germans
bunch and bunch of americans from branch to current champ
99% of pro card holders that compete 250lb+ are following what i say like bible because it isnt something i say it is written in the bodybuilding bible! i DID NOT CLAIM TO MAKE IT UP like the shit you feed them and the nonesense ecusation you have against me with no proof! when every single person saw you led handcuffs on,,to le hands and some of us know a lot more than they say!
again let me warn you i am not an internet wanna be but enough of your bullshit,,enough of wanting to make a buck,,enough of this hrt cycles that only shut you down,,,and also bodybuilding is a long process there is a lot more going on when time to grow arrives and not prep ,,,,but not to worry you were dumb enough to lie about the prep too,,so that leaves me with the assumptions that ray is right about every single thing he said about you,,,and no i have nothing with ray and he got nothing to do with it,,im just tired of your bullcrap milos sacrev


add liar to the list of misdiminor,,felon,,etc etc,,you did more danage lately than help if i need to be honest


in any case any sane bodybuilder in this board knows the truth,,with or with out the fake sheets of paper,,you take a look at pictures of

dorian
kevin
fux
matarazza
prince
list can go on for 3 days

many of them with good genetic repond yet have nothing now and the ones who have are hormonized and try to train to keep something but it is shadows of past ,,like 2 diff people,,and you talkin about bodybuilders who been doing it for 10s od years good 20-30 years at the least so something should have stick and stayed

the picture of the swiss should be enough for any normal human being to know whats going on

the picture of dim should be enough for any normal human being to know who was working with him!

the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING

you are either a complete liar or you are a fool trying to save himself from le long hands,,i guess the second


its beyond my level of expertese and!,, i had and still have better career than milos,, to even answer this rubbish but i do it because somewhere here there is a guy 20 year old sitting and reading it and he at the end will decide i was right and i spoke the truth,,that by itself is worth it for me

be good dont lie!

[Joey Tito]

be good dont lie!

Ironic, coming from you.

So, are you REALLY a top 10 Olympia competitor like you have claimed?

 

[G o a t b o y]

So, are you REALLY a top 10 Olympia competitor like you have claimed?

 

He is if the IFBB is now qualifying 15-year-old internet warriors for the Olympia.   

[Joey Tito]

He is if the IFBB is now qualifying 15-year-old internet warriors for the Olympia.   

hahahah!  very true

[Special Ed]

Milos' Sample Cycle
start 12 weeks out:
weeks 1-4: 250mg TEST + 200mg DECA - every 4th day
                50 mg Anadrol/day
                4IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 5-8: 250 mg TEST + 200mg EQ - every 4th day
                2 weeks of Anadrol 50 mg/day and than switching to 2 weeks of Anavar 50 mg/day
                6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

weeks 9-10: 100mg TEST.PROP (every other day) + 100mg WINSTROL (every other day on alternate days) + 1mg ARIMIDEX/day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 6IU GH/day - 6 days a week

week 11: 100 mg WINSTROL every day + 50 mg ANAVAR/day + 1 mg ARIMIDEX/day + 20 mg NOLVADEX/day

week 12: 50mg ANAVAR/day + 40 mg NOLVADEX/day
              Night before the contest: 1 DYAZIDE
              Morning of the contest: HALF DYAZIDE

I think Milos is being fairly honest about the pre-contest cycle, but I think gh15 is referring to what most competitors are on year-round to maintain their 270-300lb size. Bottom line is that some guys (Levrone, Cormier, Melvin) are comfortable taking a break without worrying about shrinking, some guys overeat to help retain their size (Priest, Kamali) and some guys stay fully geared out year round (You Know Who). Everyone has seen Levrone's genetic response to gear. Clearly, not everyone has the ability to go from 0-60 in 12 weeks. Therefore, we should accept that there may be huge disparities between what one Pro takes versus what another takes. And everyone knows guys in their gym or guys at the junior national level who probably take 2-3x what many Pros take in their efforts to crack top ten at a national show. That said, here is what a certain top contender was doing three weeks out of a show.
INSIDE SCOOP CYCLE OF 2006 TOP FIVE MR. O COMPETITOR
***
THREE WEEKS OUT
Stop EQ and PROP
Every other day
  100mg WINSTROL-V
  100mg MASTER
  100mg PRIMO
  100mg TREN

Daily
  50mg tab of PRIMO (or ANAVAR) tabs
  5 IUs GH once a day
  4 CLEN (double strength)

Water
2 Gallons/Day

ONE WEEK OUT
Stop everything except WV
 
Water/Diet
Drop to 1.5 gallons for Wednesday, 1.5 gallons on Thursday and then 4 ounces on Friday.
No change in Protein or Carbs - 1 cup of oatmeal in the morning and a yam before night workout

Diuretics
Half tabs of DYAZIDE and ALDACTIDE twice on Thursday and twice on Friday