Trying to clear up the Milos, GH15 issue and other things

[Disgusted]

Disgusted, call me tomorrow if you have a chance...I will really like to talk to you...

Also, I would like to meet you one of these days (possibly in my gym - doing legs ...) and it will be my pleasure discussing with you ALL the subjects of our interest.

(BTW, speaking of legs - tomorrow 3PM sharp...if you are interested).

I'll give you a buz this week. As far as legs go, I live in Ohio so I am in luck cause I have heard about your leg workouts and I'm not ready for a heart attack yet.    Are you by chance going to the Montreal show?

[Zaney]

the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING

how did milos end up like that? didnt aspirate with seo? what's that

[garraeth]

how did milos end up like that? didnt aspirate with seo? what's that

Hi Texasbubba, Lee Thompson, Zaney, whatever...

[Milos_Sarcev]

if it wasnt laughable i would cry
i feel sad for you milos sacrev,,you need to live with your god not me,,judgment day will come when you stand before him youll see

tomas prince
the persian
the arab
the wiss
the germans
bunch and bunch of americans from branch to current champ
99% of pro card holders that compete 250lb+ are following what i say like bible because it isnt something i say it is written in the bodybuilding bible! i DID NOT CLAIM TO MAKE IT UP like the shit you feed them and the nonesense ecusation you have against me with no proof! when every single person saw you led handcuffs on,,to le hands and some of us know a lot more than they say!
again let me warn you i am not an internet wanna be but enough of your bullshit,,enough of wanting to make a buck,,enough of this hrt cycles that only shut you down,,,and also bodybuilding is a long process there is a lot more going on when time to grow arrives and not prep ,,,,but not to worry you were dumb enough to lie about the prep too,,so that leaves me with the assumptions that ray is right about every single thing he said about you,,,and no i have nothing with ray and he got nothing to do with it,,im just tired of your bullcrap milos sacrev


add liar to the list of misdiminor,,felon,,etc etc,,you did more danage lately than help if i need to be honest


in any case any sane bodybuilder in this board knows the truth,,with or with out the fake sheets of paper,,you take a look at pictures of

dorian
kevin
fux
matarazza
prince
list can go on for 3 days

many of them with good genetic repond yet have nothing now and the ones who have are hormonized and try to train to keep something but it is shadows of past ,,like 2 diff people,,and you talkin about bodybuilders who been doing it for 10s od years good 20-30 years at the least so something should have stick and stayed

the picture of the swiss should be enough for any normal human being to know whats going on

the picture of dim should be enough for any normal human being to know who was working with him!

the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING

you are either a complete liar or you are a fool trying to save himself from le long hands,,i guess the second


its beyond my level of expertese and!,, i had and still have better career than milos,, to even answer this rubbish but i do it because somewhere here there is a guy 20 year old sitting and reading it and he at the end will decide i was right and i spoke the truth,,that by itself is worth it for me

be good dont lie!

You should be immediately put in the mental hospital...or arrested and put away for life...and that is probably where you are going (if not there already?).

My conversation with you ends here - but ANYTIME you want to visit me or arrange the meeting - I will certainly make time to see you.

Also - as I do talk to MAJORITY of the top pros and could get just about anyone to participate in discovering the truth - I challenge you to name pros who use "your cycles" and I will personally approach them - to check if you are right...

Like "if" is even a question...

And just like you said that "EVERY SINGLE person saw me led handcuffs on" - can you NAME ONE who actually did?

And besides Tomas Prince - can you mention ANY OTHER NAME?

Can you mention yours?

You are disgrace to human kind and truly painful to "read" - so I will leave you in your misery and stupidity...

However - if you are ever ready for ANY KIND of challenge...ANY KIND - I am accepting it in advance.

Now, please do us all a huge favor - and do "your cycle"...

[Milos_Sarcev]

I'll give you a buz this week. As far as legs go, I live in Ohio so I am in luck cause I have heard about your leg workouts and I'm not ready for a heart attack yet.    Are you by chance going to the Montreal show?

99% YES (for Montreal)...

Looking foreword to talk to you.

[Joey Tito]

You should be immediately put in the mental hospital...or arrested and put away for life...and that is probably where you are going (if not there already?).

My conversation with you ends here - but ANYTIME you want to visit me or arrange the meeting - I will certainly make time to see you.

Also - as I do talk to MAJORITY of the top pros and could get just about anyone to participate in discovering the truth - I challenge you to name pros who use "your cycles" and I will personally approach them - to check if you are right...

Like "if" is even a question...

And just like you said that "EVERY SINGLE person saw me led handcuffs on" - can you NAME ONE who actually did?

And besides Tomas Prince - can you mention ANY OTHER NAME?

Can you mention yours?

You are disgrace to human kind and truly painful to "read" - so I will leave you in your misery and stupidity...

However - if you are ever ready for ANY KIND of challenge...ANY KIND - I am accepting it in advance.

Now, please do us all a huge favor - and do "your cycle"...

The Great Milos has ONCE AGAIN made that internet troll gh15 his BIYATCH  hahaha

[Zaney]

Hi Texasbubba, Lee Thompson, Zaney, whatever...

hi Milos' bitch.

[Milos_Sarcev]

The Great Milos has ONCE AGAIN made that internet troll gh15 his BIYATCH  hahaha

I am not after making anyone my "whatever" - I am seriously disturbed with idiotic and plain dangerous message this moron is sending to my "brothers of iron"...

[gh15]

You should be immediately put in the mental hospital...or arrested and put away for life...and that is probably where you are going (if not there already?).

My conversation with you ends here - but ANYTIME you want to visit me or arrange the meeting - I will certainly make time to see you.

Also - as I do talk to MAJORITY of the top pros and could get just about anyone to participate in discovering the truth - I challenge you to name pros who use "your cycles" and I will personally approach them - to check if you are right...

Like "if" is even a question...

And just like you said that "EVERY SINGLE person saw me led handcuffs on" - can you NAME ONE who actually did?

And besides Tomas Prince - can you mention ANY OTHER NAME?

Can you mention yours?

You are disgrace to human kind and truly painful to "read" - so I will leave you in your misery and stupidity...

However - if you are ever ready for ANY KIND of challenge...ANY KIND - I am accepting it in advance.

Now, please do us all a huge favor - and do "your cycle"...

for one who claim to have brain and english on his side you would know that i said plenty of times I CAME ON THIS SITE ANNONYMOUS FOR A REASON! AND THE REASON IS MORONS LIKE YOU,,LIARS AND BAD PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IF KNEW WHO I WAS AND CONNECTED GH15 WITH MY NAME WOULD GO FOR THE "KILL" IN ANY WAY THEY COULD BECAUSE I DESTROYED WHAT THEY BUILD AND DO IT WITH WORDS ONLY! I KEEP MY PRIVACY FOR SECURITY REASONS BECAUSE LOOK WHO IM DEALIN HERE WITH,,,CONVICTS SUCH AS YORUSELF!

DO YOU THINK PROS WILL GO AND SAY WE DO THAT INSULIN DOSES AND THAT GH DOSES AND THAT TESTOSTERONE DOSES? NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD ADMIT TO IT IN THE OPEN UNDER THEIR FUCKIN REAL NAME! LE WILL BE AT THEIR HOUSE WITHIN 24 HOURS LATER,,AND MANY NEWBES WILL BE GETTING SICK (BUT EVERYTIME I WRITE SOMETHING I MAKE SURE I WRITE IT IS FOR A TOP LEVEL BODYBUILDER AT THE HIEGHER LEVELS AND NOT A GREENIE!)

I REALLY THINK YOU LIKE TO THINK YOURE A SMART ASS BUT IN REALITY I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GOT KICKED OUT OF THE IFBB,,YOU TALK TOO MUCH,,YOU LIE TOO MUCH,,,

OH AND EVERY ONE SAW YOU IN HANDCUFFS AND MOST OF THE KIDS HERE WILL FIND THAT PICTURE EASILY IF TRIED IM NOT UP FOR FINDING PICTURES FOR YOU,,YOU WERE LEAD LIKE A FELON  AND YOU KNOW IT

EVERYONE YOU EVER TOUCHED EVEN NONE BODYBUILDERS WERE ON DRUGS! YOU ARE A LIAR AND THE CYCLE YOU POSTED IS AN INSULT TO ANYONE WHO EVER BODYBUILD IN THE HIGHER LEVELS BECAUSE NTO ONLY ITS NOT HALF BUT IT IS NOT EVEN 1/4

BAD LIAR THAT IS ALL THAT STAY IN MY HEAD WHEN THINKING OF YOU ,,I DONT LIKE LIARS,,THEY LIVE SHORT LIFE! WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE CAN ERASE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DONE,,INFACT WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE AND THE PERSON MAY NOT SEE THE NEXT DAY

[gh15]

I think Milos is being fairly honest about the pre-contest cycle, but I think gh15 is referring to what most competitors are on year-round to maintain their 270-300lb size. Bottom line is that some guys (Levrone, Cormier, Melvin) are comfortable taking a break without worrying about shrinking, some guys overeat to help retain their size (Priest, Kamali) and some guys stay fully geared out year round (You Know Who). Everyone has seen Levrone's genetic response to gear. Clearly, not everyone has the ability to go from 0-60 in 12 weeks. Therefore, we should accept that there may be huge disparities between what one Pro takes versus what another takes. And everyone knows guys in their gym or guys at the junior national level who probably take 2-3x what many Pros take in their efforts to crack top ten at a national show. That said, here is what a certain top contender was doing three weeks out of a show.
INSIDE SCOOP CYCLE OF 2006 TOP FIVE MR. O COMPETITOR
***
THREE WEEKS OUT
Stop EQ and PROP
Every other day
  100mg WINSTROL-V
  100mg MASTER
  100mg PRIMO
  100mg TREN

Daily
  50mg tab of PRIMO (or ANAVAR) tabs
  5 IUs GH once a day
  4 CLEN (double strength)

Water
2 Gallons/Day

ONE WEEK OUT
Stop everything except WV
 
Water/Diet
Drop to 1.5 gallons for Wednesday, 1.5 gallons on Thursday and then 4 ounces on Friday.
No change in Protein or Carbs - 1 cup of oatmeal in the morning and a yam before night workout

Diuretics
Half tabs of DYAZIDE and ALDACTIDE twice on Thursday and twice on Friday

this cycle is good and typical local level cycles,,in the higher levels we dont use half of this garbage such as anavar unless it is at very high dose,,anavar = girly men,,its for fuckin women for god sake or for the guy who wanna look good in the beach at 180lb,,we use halo which is anavar for men,,halo is the secret my friends or if not halo high dose of anavar but no 50mg nothings,,also primo tablets we dont use ,,also female product and the liver break it like there is no tomorrow so even plenty of women avoid it,,if used we go to the 200+mg levels and we dont so no worries

rest is ok for locals and maybe regional if you are one hell of a walking freak which is rare VERY VERY RARE

[mantronik]

here is what a certain top contender was doing three weeks out of a show.
INSIDE SCOOP CYCLE OF 2006 TOP FIVE MR. O COMPETITOR

You're calling top 5 Olympia competitor a girl/local/regional?

[gh15]

most likley not a pro but even if it is a pro and ed may be right and this guy he talked to is a professional,,ed doesnt know what the guy took in his bath tub or bedroom behind closed doors,,

the 50mg anavar is useless for us,,,we go for the halo HALLLLLLLLLO,,
primo tablets are useless for us (liver breaks it it doesnt do shit unless very high dose)

this is 3 week out cycle that looks like what a local would do ,,even local use more to be honest


it is not a pro if there is no halo,,anadrol,,winstrol in some form or another taken all together in a combo during prep,, period

the tablets may have said anavar apple cyder but rest assure they were halo,,the anadrol might have had liquid creatine written on it,,but rest assure it was liquid anadrol,,,and the winstrol may have looked like milk but rest assure it was winstrol,,

you cant come to me when i do this shit for living and tell me cycles that a 180lb dudes in local usa gym or russia gym doing,,dont work this way my friends,,just dont

out of respect to bodybuilders i dont out all of us that have health problem from problems in getting kids into the world to problems of living healthy life because our bone density is crap,,,etc etc etc

[BIG DUB]

Glad i write shit down.. GH wrote this one news years day i believe..

GH15 Cycle:

150mg Thai anabol/day british disp.
140mg Anavar Proxan Isp
300mg Prop/day Farmak Ukraine
200mg Masteron/day Masterol Isp
150mg-200mg Proviron/day Schering
15iu GH: 5 divided doses every 3 hours Humatrope
igf-1: 100mcg/day

[UK Gold]

BAD LIAR THAT IS ALL THAT STAY IN MY HEAD WHEN THINKING OF YOU ,,I DONT LIKE LIARS,,THEY LIVE SHORT LIFE! WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE CAN ERASE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DONE,,INFACT WHERE I COME FROM ONE LIE AND THE PERSON MAY NOT SEE THE NEXT DAY

Yet another meltdown from Mr Remailer. Whats the matter, your girlfriend messed up the danabol labels again?

Milos has more respect in the industry than you ever will, 'Mr top ten Olympia competitor' You went to far with your recent 'mega cycle', and i'm sure you now regret it. Probably best to delete your account and start again.

[Benny B]

GH15 is da' greatest! Keep posting the REAL and let the Milos nuthuggers fume. These lyin' ass IFBB pros need to be exposed for their bullshit.

[McFarland]

OK can we rule out that gh15 is Milos now?   

GOOD STUFF,,,

 

[Benny B]

OK can we rule out that gh15 is Milos now?   

GOOD STUFF,,,

 

If it IS Milos, he's doing the best job of covering himself humanly possible. Fighting with yourself on a message board would be a great way to erase speculation. 

[Meso_z]

if it wasnt laughable i would cry
i feel sad for you milos sacrev,,you need to live with your god not me,,judgment day will come when you stand before him youll see

tomas prince
the persian
the arab
the wiss
the germans
bunch and bunch of americans from branch to current champ
99% of pro card holders that compete 250lb+ are following what i say like bible because it isnt something i say it is written in the bodybuilding bible! i DID NOT CLAIM TO MAKE IT UP like the shit you feed them and the nonesense ecusation you have against me with no proof! when every single person saw you led handcuffs on,,to le hands and some of us know a lot more than they say!
again let me warn you i am not an internet wanna be but enough of your bullshit,,enough of wanting to make a buck,,enough of this hrt cycles that only shut you down,,,and also bodybuilding is a long process there is a lot more going on when time to grow arrives and not prep ,,,,but not to worry you were dumb enough to lie about the prep too,,so that leaves me with the assumptions that ray is right about every single thing he said about you,,,and no i have nothing with ray and he got nothing to do with it,,im just tired of your bullcrap milos sacrev


add liar to the list of misdiminor,,felon,,etc etc,,you did more danage lately than help if i need to be honest


in any case any sane bodybuilder in this board knows the truth,,with or with out the fake sheets of paper,,you take a look at pictures of

dorian
kevin
fux
matarazza
prince
list can go on for 3 days

many of them with good genetic repond yet have nothing now and the ones who have are hormonized and try to train to keep something but it is shadows of past ,,like 2 diff people,,and you talkin about bodybuilders who been doing it for 10s od years good 20-30 years at the least so something should have stick and stayed

the picture of the swiss should be enough for any normal human being to know whats going on

the picture of dim should be enough for any normal human being to know who was working with him!

the picture of the so called milos,, the liar if i might add,,in hospital looking like a burning vicim stage 300,,because he didnt aspirate with seo shows how much knowledge he got and how much he knows which is NOTHING

you are either a complete liar or you are a fool trying to save himself from le long hands,,i guess the second


its beyond my level of expertese and!,, i had and still have better career than milos,, to even answer this rubbish but i do it because somewhere here there is a guy 20 year old sitting and reading it and he at the end will decide i was right and i spoke the truth,,that by itself is worth it for me

be good dont lie!

Personaly i respect Milos, he has given many useful information in this board with his ID......respect. I

believe half of gh15's sayings because hes ANONYMOUS, so like our mother's always said " DONT TRUST

STRANGERS "

BUT MILOS WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU HERE??





Looks like you got a sunburn.....i got these from wpse.com

[dseiler]

I don’t know if what I am writing will help clear up any of the confusion as to what has been posted lately regarding this whole Milos and GH15 issue maybe it will help bring a different perspective. I can only judge a person on how they have treated me and others so are far as Milos goes I have never met him, but have spoken with him on the phone and he seems like a good guy. One of my best friends also speaks very highly of him and that is good enough for me. 

There is a huge controversy about what Milos might recommend and whether he is lying or not. I can tell you guys that from what I know he is being totally honest about  what he says as far as the sample cycle he posted a while back. How do I know this? Well, I have actually known this for a few years. (more on this later) Another reason is that one of my long time best friends recently moved to Cally  and he is training at Milos’s gym and being trained by him. I know EXACTLY what my friend did for his show and it fell within the guidelines of what Milos posted.  Maybe I would not have believed Milos if I did not know for a fact what my friend did, but I do know for sure. I also know exactly what 2 top pros did for their shows about 5 years ago that Milos helped and when I say exactly I mean EXACTLY! And I consider this 100% bet my life proof!!!!! Milos, if you are interested in knowing what I am referring just PM me. Anyway, maybe I am saying too much, but both of these pros were using 750mg of test per week. (total test not total anabolics) You guys need to remember that when using insulin you do not necessarily need to use massive amounts of other stuff. About 2 grams of various anabolics is sufficient.  I will say that without the insulin one would not be nearly as big  as they would be if not using slin.

Some of the cycles and doses that GH15 posts are believable and as far as I am concerned I don’t think that he is lying about what he posts. I am sure there are guys out there doing what he claims although I am not going to speculate as to who may be doing what. It is surely believable that some guys who maybe be using  40 iu’s of slin daily would also be using 7 to 10 grams a week of other stuff. If it is possible, then imo someone out there is doing it. If you  take away the slin then in order to get as big as some guys who may be following a more Milos type cycle then  they would surely have to use roughly 6 to 8 grams a week to replicate those type of gains. I am talking here about the big guys., 250 and beyond.

Lastly, I want to say especially to the younger guys on here that you DO NOT EVER need to take the kind of dosages that GH15 posts to be able to build a great looking physique. Nor do you need to take insulin. I know of two guys who almost bit the dust from using slin and both used only 10 iu’s. Diet is the most important issue when it comes to looking good. Keeping your BF low and being able to see your muscles will make you look a lot bigger than you really are and that is impressive in and of itself. If you can not handle being disciplined then find another fucking hobby!  Hope this helps ( I really mean it). 

This should be the standard disclaimer on every BB website, article and contest flyer.

[Zaney]

Personaly i respect Milos, he has given many useful information in this board with his ID......respect. I

believe half of gh15's sayings because hes ANONYMOUS, so like our mother's always said " DONT TRUST

STRANGERS "

BUT MILOS WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU HERE??





Looks like you got a sunburn.....i got these from wpse.com

what happened to him here? he looked like he fell into a shithole

[dseiler]

It's funny to see you write almost perfectly grammatical English when you're writing in the heat of the moment trying to defend yourself.  I guess it's hard to keep up the front when you're not consciously thinking about keeping up that front, eh? 

It definitely doesn't matter. The information is what counts.

Not to mention that if you think that is anywhere near "perfectly grammatical" (which in and of itself is not proper grammar) than I'd say you better introduce the pot and the kettle.

[UK Gold]

what happened to him here? he looked like he fell into a shithole

This is what happened when he saw Dorian in 93. Realised there was no point in competing anymore and tried to commit suicide.

[Zaney]

This is what happened when he saw Dorian in 93. Realised there was no point in competing anymore and tried to commit suicide.

It's a waste that he failed.

[McFarland]

Personaly i respect Milos, he has given many useful information in this board with his ID......respect. I

believe half of gh15's sayings because hes ANONYMOUS, so like our mother's always said " DONT TRUST

STRANGERS "

Well I think many here probably won't believe half of Milos's side just because he isn't anonymous, so yeah, that makes sense.  I'm still with Disturbed here though.  I think the truth lies somewhere in between.  As is usually the case.     

[The True Adonis]

What is there to clear up?  I didn`t read the thread but I will go ahead and add my 2 cents for free...

Milos is a weasel.  GH15 is a fox.  Together they play in the magic forest with other animals.  The other animals want to eat.  The fox and the weasel work for buttered popcorn.