Trying to clear up the Milos, GH15 issue and other things

[Disgusted]

I don’t know if what I am writing will help clear up any of the confusion as to what has been posted lately regarding this whole Milos and GH15 issue maybe it will help bring a different perspective. I can only judge a person on how they have treated me and others so are far as Milos goes I have never met him, but have spoken with him on the phone and he seems like a good guy. One of my best friends also speaks very highly of him and that is good enough for me. 

There is a huge controversy about what Milos might recommend and whether he is lying or not. I can tell you guys that from what I know he is being totally honest about  what he says as far as the sample cycle he posted a while back. How do I know this? Well, I have actually known this for a few years. (more on this later) Another reason is that one of my long time best friends recently moved to Cally  and he is training at Milos’s gym and being trained by him. I know EXACTLY what my friend did for his show and it fell within the guidelines of what Milos posted.  Maybe I would not have believed Milos if I did not know for a fact what my friend did, but I do know for sure. I also know exactly what 2 top pros did for their shows about 5 years ago that Milos helped and when I say exactly I mean EXACTLY! And I consider this 100% bet my life proof!!!!! Milos, if you are interested in knowing what I am referring just PM me. Anyway, maybe I am saying too much, but both of these pros were using 750mg of test per week. (total test not total anabolics) You guys need to remember that when using insulin you do not necessarily need to use massive amounts of other stuff. About 2 grams of various anabolics is sufficient.  I will say that without the insulin one would not be nearly as big  as they would be if not using slin.

Some of the cycles and doses that GH15 posts are believable and as far as I am concerned I don’t think that he is lying about what he posts. I am sure there are guys out there doing what he claims although I am not going to speculate as to who may be doing what. It is surely believable that some guys who maybe be using  40 iu’s of slin daily would also be using 7 to 10 grams a week of other stuff. If it is possible, then imo someone out there is doing it. If you  take away the slin then in order to get as big as some guys who may be following a more Milos type cycle then  they would surely have to use roughly 6 to 8 grams a week to replicate those type of gains. I am talking here about the big guys., 250 and beyond.

Lastly, I want to say especially to the younger guys on here that you DO NOT EVER need to take the kind of dosages that GH15 posts to be able to build a great looking physique. Nor do you need to take insulin. I know of two guys who almost bit the dust from using slin and both used only 10 iu’s. Diet is the most important issue when it comes to looking good. Keeping your BF low and being able to see your muscles will make you look a lot bigger than you really are and that is impressive in and of itself. If you can not handle being disciplined then find another fucking hobby!  Hope this helps ( I really mean it). 

[Bast000]

so you're saying that Milos is wrong. thank you.

[Disgusted]

so you're saying that Milos is wrong. thank you.

Did you even read my post? 

[GroinkTropin]

Great post I know for a fact some need more than others, I was on 400mgs deca and 500mgs enanthate when I weighed 253 and I was growing like a weed. I quit the cycle early due to getting a lung infection but honestly on some gh slin maybe 750 mgs test and 500mgs deca I could hit 280ish given the right diet and consisten training. I am sure there are guys with much better genetics, so it is possible. That said I think the reason we see such insane cycle recommendations is becasue #1 the internet, which is full of dealers who propogate mythical dosages to sell more gear #2 a LOT weaker gene pool. I mean let's face it, there is zero money in bodybuilding, for the most part the genetically blessed are out doing other things to make money off their bodies, most of the up and commers are gym rats with shit genetics who are obsessed with getting as huge as their crappy genetics will let them. You don't need huge amounts of anabolics to look great, just find which drugs you respond best to and always examine your diet training and rest periods if you aren't growing quickly enough, don't just automatically assume you need more drugs to get bigger, break through a plateu(sp?) etc.

[Bluto]

just come to the conclusion what is the NORM

not the exception

[OneMoreRep]

Did you even read my post? 

Good post.  I admire your honesty and your candidness.  If I ever look to get into half-decent shape, I will look to employ of your services.

Lovingly Yours,
"1"

[chaos]

Good post.  I admire your honesty and your candidness.  If I ever look to get into half-decent shape, I will look to employ of your services.

Lovingly Yours,
"1"

lmao@lovingly yours

[jason armstrong]

no he's trying to be politically correct why we'll never know GH15 doesn't speak the truth there are extreme cases of drug abuse but there is no standard cycle like he posted about everything in the kitchen sink these guys were on...

[affy]

I don’t know if what I am writing will help clear up any of the confusion as to what has been posted lately regarding this whole Milos and GH15 issue maybe it will help bring a different perspective. I can only judge a person on how they have treated me and others so are far as Milos goes I have never met him, but have spoken with him on the phone and he seems like a good guy. One of my best friends also speaks very highly of him and that is good enough for me. 

There is a huge controversy about what Milos might recommend and whether he is lying or not. I can tell you guys that from what I know he is being totally honest about  what he says as far as the sample cycle he posted a while back. How do I know this? Well, I have actually known this for a few years. (more on this later) Another reason is that one of my long time best friends recently moved to Cally  and he is training at Milos’s gym and being trained by him. I know EXACTLY what my friend did for his show and it fell within the guidelines of what Milos posted.  Maybe I would not have believed Milos if I did not know for a fact what my friend did, but I do know for sure. I also know exactly what 2 top pros did for their shows about 5 years ago that Milos helped and when I say exactly I mean EXACTLY! And I consider this 100% bet my life proof!!!!! Milos, if you are interested in knowing what I am referring just PM me. Anyway, maybe I am saying too much, but both of these pros were using 750mg of test per week. (total test not total anabolics) You guys need to remember that when using insulin you do not necessarily need to use massive amounts of other stuff. About 2 grams of various anabolics is sufficient.  I will say that without the insulin one would not be nearly as big  as they would be if not using slin.

Some of the cycles and doses that GH15 posts are believable and as far as I am concerned I don’t think that he is lying about what he posts. I am sure there are guys out there doing what he claims although I am not going to speculate as to who may be doing what. It is surely believable that some guys who maybe be using  40 iu’s of slin daily would also be using 7 to 10 grams a week of other stuff. If it is possible, then imo someone out there is doing it. If you  take away the slin then in order to get as big as some guys who may be following a more Milos type cycle then  they would surely have to use roughly 6 to 8 grams a week to replicate those type of gains. I am talking here about the big guys., 250 and beyond.

Lastly, I want to say especially to the younger guys on here that you DO NOT EVER need to take the kind of dosages that GH15 posts to be able to build a great looking physique. Nor do you need to take insulin. I know of two guys who almost bit the dust from using slin and both used only 10 iu’s. Diet is the most important issue when it comes to looking good. Keeping your BF low and being able to see your muscles will make you look a lot bigger than you really are and that is impressive in and of itself. If you can not handle being disciplined then find another fucking hobby!  Hope this helps ( I really mean it). 

Great post...I personally trust Milos more then some random guy posting crap he copied and pasted from other websites

i know a guy in my gym who almost went into a hypoglycemic coma after his slin shot post workout...and this is after he was using it for more then a year.  He said he took the same amount of carbs he's been taking since he started slin, everything was exactly the same as other shots...but this time he just started blacking out, he said he immediately had to drink around 200 grams of dextrose before he started to feel better.

Just goes to show that even if you know what you're doing with insulin...your ass could still wind up dead

[McFarland]

He's just saying they're both right.  But let me just ask, because I didn't read Milos's posts regarding this...did Milos say that the guys using 2-3 grams total hadn't ever done more at a various or various points in their career?  

[OneMoreRep]

lmao@lovingly yours

You know, week in and week out, I come here and make thousands of readers laugh and not once have I received even a simple PM saying, "Hey, you fucking fag, thanks for making me laugh.  That last post of yours really hit home!" 

I swear, it's as if many of you have never been taught the principle of returning the favor..

"1"

[Benny B]

We don't want the Milos GH15 saga "cleared up".   It's too entertaining! Besides, you are agreeing with both of them, so how does that help?  

GH15 never said to go out and do some of the cycles posted, he's saying this is the reality of what is being taken by the IFBB's biggest guys. If you are stupid enough to try it on your own and end up in the hospital or morgue, tough nuts.

[Bast000]

I heard your client, Kamali takes a shitload of GH.

Discuss.

[garraeth]

We don't want the Milos GH15 saga "cleared up".   It's too entertaining! Besides, you are agreeing with both of them, so how does that help?  

GH15 never said to go out and do some of the cycles posted, he's saying this is the reality of what is being taken by the IFBB's biggest guys. If you are stupid enough to try it on your own and end up in the hospital or morgue, tough nuts.

But that's just the point - what GH15 says is not reality. Disgusted said the biggest pros are following Milos' advice, not GH15's.

Plus if you follow GH15's advice, you'll be wasting a lot of money, time and health doing stupid things like mixing GH and slin in the same pin.

I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...they get no benefit from the GH, and GH is the most expensive thing out there...so it sucks their banks dry too. And, someone posted that the original gh15 cycle that started this was an old cycle Nasser put in some magazine in the past.

[Disgusted]

We don't want the Milos GH15 saga "cleared up".   It's too entertaining! Besides, you are agreeing with both of them, so how does that help?  

Sorry.   

[Disgusted]

He's just saying they're both right.  But let me just ask, because I didn't read Milos's posts regarding this...did Milos say that the guys using 2-3 grams total hadn't ever done more at a various or various points in their career?  

Good point. I would bet they have done a lot more at one point or another in their career.

[Benny B]

But that's just the point - what GH15 says is not reality. Disgusted said the biggest pros are following Milos' advice, not GH15's.

Plus if you follow GH15's advice, you'll be wasting a lot of money, time and health doing stupid things like mixing GH and slin in the same pin.

I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...they get no benefit from the GH, and GH is the most expensive thing out there...so it sucks their banks dry too. And, someone posted that the original gh15 cycle that started this was an old cycle Nasser put in some magazine in the past.

You, sir...are a fuckin' idiot. Who cares that many pros are following Milos "advice"? Re-read the above post, where Disgusted states he believes many top pros are taking what GH15 states they are taking. He's saying they are both right, which largely renders this thread meaningless. I don't give a shit if Milos is a "nice guy"...I believe he probably is. I also believe he lies on this board when it is convenient for him. Pro bodybuilders are MASTER liars. That's why I like GH15.

[HalloweenMan]

I heard your client, Kamali takes a shitload of GH.

Discuss.

with piss poor results too

[Joey Tito]

I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...

But Nasser isn't competing anymore so he wouldn't have a vested interest necessarily in fuccking with people, right?  Unless he himself were training top competitors, which he's not.

It's not Nasser.  GH15 is not even a pro.  He's a drug dealer who actually speaks perfect English but tries intentionally to come off like he doesn't know English well.  Note how he always puncutates with ",,,".  Do you know any REAL person who would do that?

[climber]

But Nasser isn't competing anymore so he wouldn't have a vested interest necessarily in fuccking with people, right?  Unless he himself were training top competitors, which he's not.

It's not Nasser.  GH15 is not even a pro.  He's a drug dealer who actually speaks perfect English but tries intentionally to come off like he doesn't know English well.  Note how he always puncutates with ",,,".  Do you know any REAL person who would do that?

That's due to excessive clenbuterol useage.

[Bluto]

But Nasser isn't competing anymore so he wouldn't have a vested interest necessarily in fuccking with people, right?  Unless he himself were training top competitors, which he's not.

It's not Nasser.  GH15 is not even a pro.  He's a drug dealer who actually speaks perfect English but tries intentionally to come off like he doesn't know English well.  Note how he always puncutates with ",,,".  Do you know any REAL person who would do that?

nope,,,

[gh15]

But that's just the point - what GH15 says is not reality. Disgusted said the biggest pros are following Milos' advice, not GH15's.

Plus if you follow GH15's advice, you'll be wasting a lot of money, time and health doing stupid things like mixing GH and slin in the same pin.

I think it's Nasser cuz he's notorious for trying to screw with his competitions minds -- telling them to do something like that is PERFECT...they get no benefit from the GH, and GH is the most expensive thing out there...so it sucks their banks dry too. And, someone posted that the original gh15 cycle that started this was an old cycle Nasser put in some magazine in the past.

god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned

the thing that is funny to me is that many here sit and say oh no insulin is very very risky,,NO IT IS NOT IF DONE PROPERLY AND YOU ARE FEMILIAR WITH ITS SIDES,,humulin r would not be sold in the usa script free to any one who wants it and that includes 16 year olds if insulin was that risky! INSULIN IS ANOTHER WAY OF THICKENING YOUR PHYSIQE AND BLOWING UP TO NEW DIMENTIONS ,,in other words insulin if done right and consistantly enough as in with each meal,,will make the muscles fuller bigger larger and with the added halo dender and harder (ofcourse takes more than halo but i chose it as an example since it is another VERY VERY TOXIC BULLSHIT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT while in reality the sides are minimal if at all unless you dont know whach you are doing and are not a bodybuilder to begin with

people sit and drink and smokin weed and do the coke thing on a regular basis in usa,,and you talk about insulin its the coke and drinking with somas that kills you my friends,,not the insulin

half of usa would be dead by now if slin killed you

YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN TAKING SLIN,,YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU CANT CONFUSE MESURMENTS WITH SLIN AND NEED TO KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO TAKE IT AND WITH WHAT FOR IT TO NOT BE "RISKY"

i have yet to see one single bodybuilder that has died as a result of aas growth and insulin only NOT EVEN ONE! and im talkin major abuse

[Disgusted]

To better clarify my point about Milos, I believe he is credible and believable about what he is saying here about his veiws on slin and anabolic doses and I am basing this on what I have seen with my own eyes and from what my friend tells me who has directly worked with Milos and spent a lot of time with him. I am not saying that Milos has never lied in his life or is God like.  

Upping the slin dose and lowering the anabolics has worked for some. This does not mean, like I said before that everyone is doing low dose anabolics. I am also not trying to be polictically correct by trying to make it seem that Milos and GH15 are both right. Hell, if I didn't agree with Milos or GH15 I would certainly say.

[Joey Tito]

god helps us all
gareth how much more dumb can you be?? what i say here is an every day reality and routine that is being done by me by joe shomoe with out the genetic repond needed thus his 10th year in a raw stuck in the usa placing 15th,,and ofcourse by 99% of pro card holders that HAS the genetic reponse for the products and doses mentioned

the thing that is funny to me is that many here sit and say oh no insulin is very very risky,,NO IT IS NOT IF DONE PROPERLY AND YOU ARE FEMILIAR WITH ITS SIDES,,humulin r would not be sold in the usa script free to any one who wants it and that includes 16 year olds if insulin was that risky! INSULIN IS ANOTHER WAY OF THICKENING YOUR PHYSIQE AND BLOWING UP TO NEW DIMENTIONS ,,in other words insulin if done right and consistantly enough as in with each meal,,will make the muscles fuller bigger larger and with the added halo dender and harder (ofcourse takes more than halo but i chose it as an example since it is another VERY VERY TOXIC BULLSHIT PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT while in reality the sides are minimal if at all unless you dont know whach you are doing and are not a bodybuilder to begin with

people sit and drink and smokin weed and do the coke thing on a regular basis in usa,,and you talk about insulin its the coke and drinking with somas that kills you my friends,,not the insulin

half of usa would be dead by now if slin killed you

YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN TAKING SLIN,,YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU CANT CONFUSE MESURMENTS WITH SLIN AND NEED TO KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO TAKE IT AND WITH WHAT FOR IT TO NOT BE "RISKY"

i have yet to see one single bodybuilder that has died as a result of aas growth and insulin only NOT EVEN ONE! and im talkin major abuse

It's funny to see you write almost perfectly grammatical English when you're writing in the heat of the moment trying to defend yourself.  I guess it's hard to keep up the front when you're not consciously thinking about keeping up that front, eh? 

[Bast000]

notice that disgusted did not respond to my post about king, he knows it's true.