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Something's wrong here. I knew the "live free or die" state wouldn't vote for a warmongering turkey necked piece of dog shit like McCain. On the bright side, Ron Paul won in reality, but the voting machines (brought to you by diebold) have been h4X0red.
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Something's wrong here. I knew the "live free or die" state wouldn't vote for a warmongering turkey necked piece of dog shit like McCain. On the bright side, Ron Paul won in reality, but the voting machines (brought to you by diebold) have been h4X0red.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=547_1199910913
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=24f_1199906039
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Just imagine how rampant voter fraud will be when they just ask people to step outside their homes and "Raise your hand if you vote for Obama" and snap a satellite photo.
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NH has two republican senators including john sununu. if you don't think they'd vote mccain (trivia: he won the NH primary in 2000 as well) then you aren't paying attention. quit being a ron paul fanboy and assuming every time something you don't like happens it means there was voter fraud.
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http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=721
I"m sure more will be exposed.
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http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=721
I"m sure more will be exposed.
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yeah, i don't buy into CTs anymore these days.
But this one is more of a mathematical question than anything else.
How can a guy lead in every poll leading up to the primary - by as many as 12 points - then lead in every exit poll by large margins - and lead in every paper ballot - and lose in the electronic count?
If the paper ballots say Obama won - and early reports is that they say he did - then he won, guys. the diebold machines have been proven to be highly susceptible to fraud. and when the paper ballots - printed everytime a person votes, say something else... well... you cannot 'fake those'. You can, however, fake the electronic vote.
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and again, i say ::)
look dude, i like that all these paul-tards are so involved with politics and getting swept up in the fad that is ron paul, but you have to realize that no matter what you're talking THIRTY ONE votes that may or may not have been cast for paul (until i get something more solid like that greg palast found for the 2004 presidential election i'm staying neutral).
the man raised enough money for a blimp and had people minting money with his face on it but he never cracks higher than 5th place in actual voter tallies. it doesn't matter how many stupid online polls his fanatics vote-bomb to make it look like he's got 90% of the vote over everyone else or if he raises $10million in a day from 10,000 people, he is not the saviour of politics.
frankly you should be damn grateful he's getting trounced, because otherwise we'd all have to watch as his crackpot theories would get enacted and then collapse on themselves. hooray let's go back to the gold standard and remove the 17th amendment, then get rid of social security and every governmental organization we can. that'll help. ::)
read a few books, man. get back to me when you've moved beyond this flash mob support for a nutbar who was a nutbar four years ago but is only popular now because he's a republican that disagrees with bush.
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and again, i say ::)
look dude, i like that all these paul-tards are so involved with politics and getting swept up in the fad that is ron paul, but you have to realize that no matter what you're talking THIRTY ONE votes that may or may not have been cast for paul (until i get something more solid like that greg palast found for the 2004 presidential election i'm staying neutral).
the man raised enough money for a blimp and had people minting money with his face on it but he never cracks higher than 5th place in actual voter tallies. it doesn't matter how many stupid online polls his fanatics vote-bomb to make it look like he's got 90% of the vote over everyone else or if he raises $10million in a day from 10,000 people, he is not the saviour of politics.
frankly you should be damn grateful he's getting trounced, because otherwise we'd all have to watch as his crackpot theories would get enacted and then collapse on themselves. hooray let's go back to the gold standard and remove the 17th amendment, then get rid of social security and every governmental organization we can. that'll help. ::)
read a few books, man. get back to me when you've moved beyond this flash mob support for a nutbar who was a nutbar four years ago but is only popular now because he's a republican that disagrees with bush.
Roll your eyes at ron paul, that's fine.
Please explain why the paper ballots and the electronic ballots DO NOT MATCH in last night's election.
It would have been the finisher on the Clinton campaign for all practical purposes, as she is almost out of money.
don't spend 5 paragraphs bashing ron paul - he's inconsequential. Tell us why hilary had more e-votes and the paper evidence says otherwise.
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and again, i say ::)
look dude, i like that all these paul-tards are so involved with politics and getting swept up in the fad that is ron paul, but you have to realize that no matter what you're talking THIRTY ONE votes that may or may not have been cast for paul (until i get something more solid like that greg palast found for the 2004 presidential election i'm staying neutral).
the man raised enough money for a blimp and had people minting money with his face on it but he never cracks higher than 5th place in actual voter tallies. it doesn't matter how many stupid online polls his fanatics vote-bomb to make it look like he's got 90% of the vote over everyone else or if he raises $10million in a day from 10,000 people, he is not the saviour of politics.
frankly you should be damn grateful he's getting trounced, because otherwise we'd all have to watch as his crackpot theories would get enacted and then collapse on themselves. hooray let's go back to the gold standard and remove the 17th amendment, then get rid of social security and every governmental organization we can. that'll help. ::)
read a few books, man. get back to me when you've moved beyond this flash mob support for a nutbar who was a nutbar four years ago but is only popular now because he's a republican that disagrees with bush.
Almost all his "crackpot theories" come from the constitution. Is the constitution a crackpot theory too?
lol you're crazy. I shouldn't even post this cuz you're just going to try to justify how you are not crazy. lol you make it seem like the gold standard is a bad thing, as if having sound value in our currency and not being able to print money on demand is a bad thing.
Sry 240, I know you tried to neutralize the thread. I couldn't help myself.
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Roll your eyes at ron paul, that's fine.
Please explain why the paper ballots and the electronic ballots DO NOT MATCH in last night's election.
It would have been the finisher on the Clinton campaign for all practical purposes, as she is almost out of money.
don't spend 5 paragraphs bashing ron paul - he's inconsequential. Tell us why hilary had more e-votes and the paper evidence says otherwise.
look man, you know i'm with you on the 2000/2004 elections and to an extent on 9/11, but in this case i'm thinking stupidity over anything else. largely because there's no way in balls hell that the republicans would want to HELP hillary instead of obama.
remember hillary's internal polls also said she was trailing obama. if it were nefarious handling on her part you'd imagine it would be like bush where he knew he had it in the bag and then magically turned out right despite everyone else's estimates.
it needs to be fixed, no doubt. i'm just sick of it always coming from people going "RON PAUL GOT SIX VOTES, THEY RECORDED FOUR! HE WOULD HAVE WON!"
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Almost all his "crackpot theories" come from the constitution. Is the constitution a crackpot theory too?
lol you're crazy. I shouldn't even post this cuz you're just going to try to justify how you are not crazy. lol you make it seem like the gold standard is a bad thing, as if having sound value in our currency and not being able to print money on demand is a bad thing.
Sry 240, I know you tried to neutralize the thread. I couldn't help myself.
are you for real?
shut up about "his theories come from the constitution". every politician worth his salt bases his theories on the constitution. paul's supporters act like he's the only guy who pays attention to the thing.
secondly, the gold standard is completely untenable at this point. in times of recession or instability, the ability to control inflation and the amount of money in circulation is absolutely crucial to keeping a given nation afloat. this is why so many european nations opposed the euro, they didn't want to lose their ability to internally balance their economy by relying on a continent-wide form of currency (for a little fun, look into why the euro happened in the first place, here's a hint: it wasn't invented in europe).
thirdly, do you even know what the 17th amendment is? look it up and explain why ron paul would possibly want to roll that back.
fourthly, he wants to federally legislate when life starts. the man who built a platform of "let the states decide" wants to overturn roe v wade and "let the states decide" if abortion is legal, and then create a federal law that dictates that life begins at conception in order to, at the federal level, preclude states from declaring abortions legal. don't forget he's a severely "our founding fathers based the US on the bible" kind of republican as well.
don't get all starry-eyed because the man is so vehemently against the war on terror and executive expansion. he's a way, way, way to the right loony bin who's practically falling off the spectrum. four years ago no one gave a fig about him and his views were the exact same. it wasn't that we didn't know who he was, it's that we knew he was crazy. now all the young voters, the "south park conservatives", are enamoured with the guy because they (somewhat accurately) think democrats have no balls so they're latching onto the only strong-willed GOP candidate who's fighting against bush instead of for him.
that's great and all, but quit ignoring the other 90% of his viewpoints which are incredibly radical and not even remotely feasible or beneficial to the nation just because he's eloquent and wants to limit executive power. those are both good things, but you'd be far better served looking at someone like kucinich.
and i'm done with this thread now.
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look man, you know i'm with you on the 2000/2004 elections and to an extent on 9/11, but in this case i'm thinking stupidity over anything else. largely because there's no way in balls hell that the republicans would want to HELP hillary instead of obama.
remember hillary's internal polls also said she was trailing obama. if it were nefarious handling on her part you'd imagine it would be like bush where he knew he had it in the bag and then magically turned out right despite everyone else's estimates.
it needs to be fixed, no doubt. i'm just sick of it always coming from people going "RON PAUL GOT SIX VOTES, THEY RECORDED FOUR! HE WOULD HAVE WON!"
1. this thread has nothing to do with ron paul
2. the repubs would LOVE hilary to be the nominee. 40% of nation already hates her.
3. nobody is saying the repubs did this fraud. way to early to accuse ANYONE. Point is, we know the paper ballots and the electronic say there are diff winners. This is a problem, because you CANNOT fake paper ballots - they're printed with each vote. You CAN change e-outcome with one keystroke.
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Something's wrong here. I knew the "live free or die" state wouldn't vote for a warmongering turkey necked piece of dog shit like McCain. On the bright side, Ron Paul won in reality, but the voting machines (brought to you by diebold) have been h4X0red.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=547_1199910913
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=24f_1199906039
Maybe he should have cried....
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Hillary.jpg)
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Maybe he should have cried....
Just like you did here many times..."JOELOCO" ::)
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Joe i have to say that was definitely 100% scripted phony bullshit.
Clintons pollsters determined the women voters were not voting for her in the expected high % so they staged that crying "i care damn it" stunt and the soccer moms all fell for it.
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Maybe he should have cried....
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Hillary.jpg)
maybe have a mexican nervous breakdown
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i wonder if joelocal will care when Hilary steals the election from McCain/Huck in November?
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i wonder if joelocal will care when Hilary steals the election from McCain/Huck in November?
oh sure he'll become unhinged and crying like a baby. then in a dramatic moment he'll delete his account again.
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McCain is crazier than a shit house rat. Just stock up on canned goods and register for that draft if that nutjob wins the election.
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are you for real?
shut up about "his theories come from the constitution". every politician worth his salt bases his theories on the constitution. paul's supporters act like he's the only guy who pays attention to the thing.
secondly, the gold standard is completely untenable at this point. in times of recession or instability, the ability to control inflation and the amount of money in circulation is absolutely crucial to keeping a given nation afloat. this is why so many european nations opposed the euro, they didn't want to lose their ability to internally balance their economy by relying on a continent-wide form of currency (for a little fun, look into why the euro happened in the first place, here's a hint: it wasn't invented in europe).
thirdly, do you even know what the 17th amendment is? look it up and explain why ron paul would possibly want to roll that back.
fourthly, he wants to federally legislate when life starts. the man who built a platform of "let the states decide" wants to overturn roe v wade and "let the states decide" if abortion is legal, and then create a federal law that dictates that life begins at conception in order to, at the federal level, preclude states from declaring abortions legal. don't forget he's a severely "our founding fathers based the US on the bible" kind of republican as well.
don't get all starry-eyed because the man is so vehemently against the war on terror and executive expansion. he's a way, way, way to the right loony bin who's practically falling off the spectrum. four years ago no one gave a fig about him and his views were the exact same. it wasn't that we didn't know who he was, it's that we knew he was crazy. now all the young voters, the "south park conservatives", are enamoured with the guy because they (somewhat accurately) think democrats have no balls so they're latching onto the only strong-willed GOP candidate who's fighting against bush instead of for him.
that's great and all, but quit ignoring the other 90% of his viewpoints which are incredibly radical and not even remotely feasible or beneficial to the nation just because he's eloquent and wants to limit executive power. those are both good things, but you'd be far better served looking at someone like kucinich.
and i'm done with this thread now.
settle down, have a nice jack daniels and relax.
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I'm sorry but I forbid myself from reading beyond...
are you for real?
shut up about "his theories come from the constitution". every politician worth his salt bases his theories on the constitution.
McCain is crazier than a shit house rat. Just stock up on canned goods and register for that draft if that nutjob wins the election.
People can't be that dumb, or can they?
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Joe i have to say that was definitely 100% scripted phony bullshit.
Clintons pollsters determined the women voters were not voting for her in the expected high % so they staged that crying "i care damn it" stunt and the soccer moms all fell for it.
Anyone pick up on the fact that the reporter who asked the question was invited and she used to host fund raisers for then President Clinton in her restauraunt and also worked for the Carter admin?
She was a plant, plain and simple.
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wow thats fucked :o
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Anyone pick up on the fact that the reporter who asked the question was invited and she used to host fund raisers for then President Clinton in her restauraunt and also worked for the Carter admin?
She was a plant, plain and simple.
I have to admit, she's a damn good player in this game of politics.
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How can a guy lead in every poll leading up to the primary - by as many as 12 points - then lead in every exit poll by large margins - and lead in every paper ballot - and lose in the electronic count?
That's a good fucking question.
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That's a good fucking question.
I do everything I can to avoid thinking conspiracy theory these days. Really, I do.
But this is being reported by real news organizations, and they're using the actual NH voting data.
It's not a partisan issue either - it's one dem cheating over another dem. So the ignorant cries of 'lib' have no place here.
If this is true - and the paper ballots (printed as each person votes) are absolutely OPPOSITE of the electronic votes...
man, I don't know how anyone can say it's not fishy.
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This is why I don't vote. :D
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look man, you know i'm with you on the 2000/2004 elections and to an extent on 9/11, but in this case i'm thinking stupidity over anything else. largely because there's no way in balls hell that the republicans would want to HELP hillary instead of obama.
You're kidding right. What happened to them wanting her for an easy republican victory? Not a new theory at all and one that I've mostly heard COMING from the right. That's probably why guys like Murdoch funded her. She is so hated by the right, she's seen by many righties as the perfect tool to get out the republican vote on election day.
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is anyone of any significance saying anything for a recount?
Hacking Democracy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201)
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I do everything I can to avoid thinking conspiracy theory these days. Really, I do.
But this is being reported by real news organizations, and they're using the actual NH voting data.
It's not a partisan issue either - it's one dem cheating over another dem. So the ignorant cries of 'lib' have no place here.
If this is true - and the paper ballots (printed as each person votes) are absolutely OPPOSITE of the electronic votes...
man, I don't know how anyone can say it's not fishy.
On HBO's documentary Hacking Democracy, they found the code on the machine cards that switches the votes. 100% Busted. There's nothing conspiracy theory in it. It's conspiracy fact, just nobody seems to give a flying shit about doing anything about it.
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The candidate who has the most support from those in power (rich people) wins, just like how money dictates their decisions when they're in office.
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The candidate who has the most support from those in power (rich people) wins, just like how money dictates their decisions when they're in office as well.
yup, perfect democracy. :D
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is anyone of any significance saying anything for a recount?
Hacking Democracy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201)
no, it doesn't work like that. Problem is found, nothing is done. That's been the way of it over and over and over and over. Just have to pretend it was on the up and up and like it.
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as a former CT guy, i wont jump to conclusions on this one. There are a lot of people who are watching the polls this time after 2004's mess... if they do pull this BS, they're going to get called on it.
And I tell you what... NOTHING will motivate Obama's young college kid base more than word of election fraud. If he wins Nevada by 25,000 votes, it's going to be hard to manipulate those results without being obvious.
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I knew the "live free or die" state wouldn't vote for a warmongering turkey necked piece of dog shit like McCain.
Honest thread!
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as a former CT guy, i wont jump to conclusions on this one. There are a lot of people who are watching the polls this time after 2004's mess... if they do pull this BS, they're going to get called on it.
And I tell you what... NOTHING will motivate Obama's young college kid base more than word of election fraud. If he wins Nevada by 25,000 votes, it's going to be hard to manipulate those results without being obvious.
That's a nice fantasy but you already know the reality doesn't reflect your desired outcome. and I'm not talking conspiracy theory either. If I haven't seen the facts in a well made case, I don't give a shit about someone's theory.
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as a former CT guy, i wont jump to conclusions on this one. There are a lot of people who are watching the polls this time after 2004's mess... if they do pull this BS, they're going to get called on it.
And I tell you what... NOTHING will motivate Obama's young college kid base more than word of election fraud. If he wins Nevada by 25,000 votes, it's going to be hard to manipulate those results without being obvious.
All his support act like their candidate is promoting peace or something. What do people see in him? Talking about change all the time, but you'd never hear him talk about our country's 62 trillion dollar debt. Never talks about an idea about how to reverse our debt, never mentions cutting spending, spends most of his time talking about healthcare and ending the war in Iraq, yet still keeps all options on the table in the middle east.
wtf yo
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That's a nice fantasy but you already know the reality doesn't reflect your desired outcome. and I'm not talking conspiracy theory either. If I haven't seen the facts in a well made case, I don't give a shit about someone's theory.
What makes it fantasy is people who think its fantasy.
sry but it's true.
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Maybe he should have cried....
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Hillary.jpg)
U are looking at the very face of the Antichrist.....bush and hitler were little kiddies....
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If it quacks like a duck, its a duck....Do some of you need george bush to come to your front door and admit to you right in the face that the elections are fixed?
You would probably laugh at him right in the face and say that he isnt too bright, and probably lost his way and walk him back to his limo...
Later on you mention to your wife over a big mac, that holy shit, the president came to our house today...When asked what the president wanted, you will say that he thanked you for being such a good citizen and wishes that more people were like you...you see on the HD tv at mc donalds that McCain won in NH and think, hmm, maybe i should have voted today....
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Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce
Voter Fraud: Official-sounding complaints by the losing party in an election; See Sour Grapes.
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What a coincidence! She shares the same point of view as the government!
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Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce
Voter Fraud: Official-sounding complaints by the losing party in an election; See Sour Grapes.
yea, but they're not the ones calling fraud. It's people willing to look at the facts. The only person I want to win is the one people voted for. Hardly an out of wack sour grapes request. If that person is Hillary and McCain, fine by me. Watch HBO's hacking democracy. There are no sour grapes directed at any one party and both dems and republicans are implicated along with actually demonstrating vote flips from electronic voting machines and the programs that did it. If these numbers came out of Russia or Venezuela, we'd be crying foul and rightly so. What it can't happen here? haha, why?
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Now that you've brought that up on a bodybuilding message board...
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Now that you've brought that up on a bodybuilding message board...
Is there a bodybuilding message board out there that prohibits all subjects not related to bodybuilding? I haven't seen one. Now if someone comes here with no interest in bodybuilding to post on other subject, that would be stupid but there's no reason we can't talk about other shit. Nothing odd about that. I would agree this is the wrong place on getbig to post this.
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Just like you did here many times..."JOELOCO" ::)
brutal ownage of biblical proportions.
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Is there a bodybuilding message board out there that prohibits all subjects not related to bodybuilding? I haven't seen one. Now if someone comes here with no interest in bodybuilding to post on other subject, that would be stupid but there's no reason we can't talk about other shit. Nothing odd about that. I would agree this is the wrong place on getbig to post this.
Kinda new around here but never seen so many grown man spending so much time debating politics on a bodybuilding board.
How much time you spend on here a day?
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Kinda new around here but never seen so many grown man spending so much time debating politics on a bodybuilding board.
How much time you spend on here a day?
quite a bit but not as much as several others. There is actually another bodybuilding board that has an even more active political board. I was kind of shocked as this one gets quite a bit of activity. MD has one, BB.com has one, several do. I'm on this board because I love bodybuilding first, but it's not all that's on my mind. At first I only posted about bodybuilding but Intensone kind of got me posting on politics because I got sick of seeing his constant attack on liberals so I started disputing his posts. Many others frequently posted on political points going way back too.
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240! who do you want as the next president?
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240! who do you want as the next president?
honestly, i dont know.
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honestly, i dont know.
they're all puppets eh?
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i can't tell anything in politics anymore. there is so much info and disinfo out there. there is no figuring it out.
I'm hoping Thomas Jefferson runs.
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I'm hoping Thomas Jefferson runs.
That would give us a Black First Lady.
Oh no, wait - we've got one now.
;D
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Could a jew president happen anytime soon?
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Could a jew president happen anytime soon?
Only if Special Ed declares and 240 can help "program" the voting machines.
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honestly, i dont know.
yes you do. even I know who you want to win. You want the one you vote for to win.
Hopefully, you'll be able to accept the one the population chose if they were not one and the same.
What I'm curious about is how people will react if they insert another pResident against the wishes of the people. Kenya and Pakistan haven't fared too well as of late with controversies surrounding the governance of their nation. I wonder how the boldest and free-est (if that's a word) will respond to another coup? Will they look to the wisdom of their founding fathers for guidance, or will they prefer 'Dancing with the Stars'?