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Spitzer Is Linked to Prostitution Ring
By DANNY HAKIM and WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.
Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides inside his Fifth Avenue apartment early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He scheduled an announcement for 2:15 after inquiries from the Times.
Mr. Spitzer, a first term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform and end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
But a person with knowledge of the governor’s role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.
The governor’s travel records show that he was in Washington in mid-February. One of the clients described in court papers arranged to meet with a prostitute who was part of the ring, the Emperors Club VIP on the night of Feb. 13.
Mr. Spitzer appeared on a CNBC television show at 7 a.m. the next morning. Later in the morning, he testified before a Congressional committee.
An affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan in connection with that case lists six conversations between the man, identified as Client 9, and a booking agent for the Emperors Club.
He had a difficult first year in office, rocked by a mix of scandal and legislative setbacks. In recent weeks, however, Mr. Spitzer seemed to have rebounded, with his Democratic party poised to perhaps gain control of the state Senate for the first time in four decades.
Mr. Spitzer gained national attention when he served as attorney general with his relentless pursuit of Wall Street wrongdoing. As attorney general, he also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.
In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.
“”This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. ”It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”
Albany for months been roiled by bitter fighting and accusations of dirty tricks. The Albany County district attorney is set to issue in the coming days the results of his investigation into Mr. Spitzer’s first scandal, his aides’ involvement in an effort to tarnish Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno, the state’s top Republican.
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this is pretty shocking
what a dumb ass
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finally, a Dem breaks a sex law!!!!
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First I've heard of this, but I'd BE shocked if there is any evidence of him actually seeing hookers. Not that there's anything wrong with that, seeing as how people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. :-X Spitzer has portrayed himself as Mr. Ethical, especially when he was shaking down Wall Street firms for heavy fines.
Coming from getbig's resident fag, I expected this to be a male prostitute scandal. You know, given the fact that every male on getbig is secretly longing for his cock. ::)
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from the story it seems he's already admitted some involvement.
Maybe it was just "research"
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Just heard his VERY short press conference, apologizing to the public and to family and nothing more. Looks like he'll likely resign.
I know some Wall Street guys that are extremely gleeful at this public embarrassment. Spitzer was very arrogant in humiliating Wall Street banks and extrapolating big fines for minor infractions during the Enron era.
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Good grief. So New Jersey follows up former Gov. McGreevy (who resigned over a homosexual sex scandal) with this turkey? ::) That is an alarming recent string of high ranking legislators involved in scandals while holding public office:
- Mayor of Detroit
- Senator Craig
- Congressman Foley
- Mayor of L.A.
- Mayor of S.F.
What makes this pretty bad is the guy was prosecuting prostitution rings while he was AG.
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Just heard his VERY short press conference, apologizing to the public and to family and nothing more. Looks like he'll likely resign.
I know some Wall Street guys that are extremely gleeful at this public embarrassment. Spitzer was very arrogant in humiliating Wall Street banks and extrapolating big fines for minor infractions during the Enron era.
yeah - I'm not too broken up about this either.
I just can't believe a guy like him would be sooo f'ng stupid as to get involved with something like this. He would have been better off just having a mistress. At least that woulnd' have involved breaking the law
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I've always admired and respected Spitzer. Like many of his colleagues I was surprised by this revelation. Although I still like the guy, I think he needs to resign. True, we all break laws every day; jay walking or driving over the speed limit is one thing, but hiring whores is another. Time to step aside. :-[
btw, turns out these call girls make $3500-$5000 per session! :o That's much more than the average muscle escort makes. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=36549.0
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Look at the guy. He's hideous. From that vantage, point it's understandable.
If it weren't for the fact that he's married, I'd look the other way.
He is a good public servant.
Too bad he let his foibles override his better nature.
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Good grief. So New Jersey follows up former Gov. McGreevy (who resigned over a homosexual sex scandal) with this turkey? ::) That is an alarming recent string of high ranking legislators involved in scandals while holding public office:
- Mayor of Detroit
- Senator Craig
- Congressman Foley
- Mayor of L.A.
- Mayor of S.F.
What makes this pretty bad is the guy was prosecuting prostitution rings while he was AG.
Of course he prosecuted prostitution rings while he was an AG--that was his job. What's he going to do? Tell the judge that he's "gotta take a pass on this case b/c it wouldn't be right in light of the fact that I have 3:15 pm appointment with Misty at the Radisson"?
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Of course he prosecuted prostitution rings while he was an AG--that was his job. What's he going to do? Tell the judge that he's "gotta take a pass on this case b/c it wouldn't be right in light of the fact that I have 3:15 pm appointment with Misty at the Radisson"?
LOL I bet the judge would be cool with it... cause his own appointment is scheduled for 4:15.
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LOL I bet the judge would be cool with it... cause his own appointment is scheduled for 4:15.
hahaha. I'm on board with George Carlin on this one:
Selling is legal and fucking is legal.
Why isn't selling fucking legal?
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Of course he prosecuted prostitution rings while he was an AG--that was his job. What's he going to do? Tell the judge that he's "gotta take a pass on this case b/c it wouldn't be right in light of the fact that I have 3:15 pm appointment with Misty at the Radisson"?
Actually, what he was supposed to do was keep his pants up and not break the law while he was holding public office. It's not like the guy was single. Just makes it that much worse that he was engaging in the same conduct that he helped put people in jail for. Terrible.
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Actually, what he was supposed to do was keep his pants up and not break the law while he was holding public office. It's not like the guy was single. Just makes it that much worse that he was engaging in the same conduct that he helped put people in jail for. Terrible.
I agree. And in a perfect world there would be no need for courts of law. But people aren't perfect. They end up in tenuous positions. He really made a big mistake and it will cost him his family and his career.
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Good grief. So New Jersey follows up former Gov. McGreevy (who resigned over a homosexual sex scandal) with this turkey? ::)
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I agree. And in a perfect world there would be no need for courts of law. But people aren't perfect. They end up in tenuous positions. He really made a big mistake and it will cost him his family and his career.
Yep. Nobody is perfect, but if you're in a position of public trust, you're held to a higher standard.
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[gasp] He said New Jersey instead of New York. ::) Yes, McGreevy was the governor of New Jersey. ::)
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His poor wife looks tortured.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer/t1home.spitzer.presser.ap.jpg)
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Good grief. So New Jersey follows up former Gov. McGreevy (who resigned over a homosexual sex scandal) with this turkey? ::) That is an alarming recent string of high ranking legislators involved in scandals while holding public office:
- Mayor of Detroit
- Senator Craig
- Congressman Foley
- Mayor of L.A.
- Mayor of S.F.
What makes this pretty bad is the guy was prosecuting prostitution rings while he was AG.
SF and LA were just having an affair and didn't break any laws
That's what Spitzer should have done. Either than or just stayed home and waxed his surfboard.
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Yo, 240, how did an overly aggressive semi-retard like BB get appointed Politics board moderator?
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Yo, 240, how did an overly aggressive semi-retard like BB get appointed Politics board moderator?
something many have wondered.
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SF and LA were just having an affair and didn't break any laws
That's what Spitzer should have done. Either than or just stayed home and waxed his surfboard.
They weren't "just" having an affair. Newsome slept with his campaign manager's wife. The L.A. mayor slept with a reporter who covered him. Not illegal, but just as lowdown as you can get (Newsome) and unethical (L.A. mayor).
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Let's not forget the guy in Louisiana who was a regular whorehouse visitor. ;D David Vitter, a Republican and jr. U.S. senator.
This is my case against marriage...it works for some, however for many of us men are just too horny for one woman.
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They weren't "just" having an affair. Newsome slept with his campaign manager's wife. The L.A. mayor slept with a reporter who covered him. Not illegal, but just as lowdown as you can get (Newsome) and unethical (L.A. mayor).
yeah - otherwise known as having an affair
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His poor wife looks tortured.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer/t1home.spitzer.presser.ap.jpg)
LOL that poor woman! "My husband would rather pay $3000/hour to sleep with a whore than sleep with me." :-[
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LOL that poor woman! "My husband would rather pay $3000/hour to sleep with a whore than sleep with me." :-[
the schadenfreude is strong with you. What a surprise! ::)
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IT was just reported that they had him on a wire tap making arrangements with a whore for someone else...what an idiot.. i bet he was pulling in tons of loot, the only reason why he wouldnt walk away from this venture...
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i bet he was pulling in tons of loot, the only reason why he wouldnt walk away from this venture...
...yeah, because Spitzer was strapped for cash. ::) It's not like his family is worth hundreds of millions of dollars or anything.
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Yo, 240, how did an overly aggressive semi-retard like BB get appointed Politics board moderator?
I'm not a mod here.
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...yeah, because Spitzer was strapped for cash. ::) It's not like his family is worth hundreds of millions of dollars or anything.
well thats why i said it must be a ton of loot, cause he is rich already and has a good job......
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SF and LA were just having an affair and didn't break any laws
That's what Spitzer should have done. Either than or just stayed home and waxed his surfboard.
Maybe he still loves his wife, but she's not doing it for him in the sack... hence the "anonymous" hooker.
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I bet if this was a Repub...we'd get 40 pages of venom. I guess this guy was very good to the folks at FT Drum because some folks up here were pretty unhappy. Good job dumbass.
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I bet if this was a Repub...we'd get 40 pages of venom. I guess this guy was very good to the folks at FT Drum because some folks up here were pretty unhappy. Good job dumbass.
The guys obviously a greedy dumbass who must think hes above the law. But it doesnt get 40 pages until its dirty toilet sex in the mens room....... :-X
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I can't believe people are shocked about this.
There are only two reasons why people get into politics.
They either want to make a difference in the world and feel like they could bring around change for the better or they do it for completly selfish reasons, the, title, the perks of the position, feel like they are above the law, fame, contacts, etc.
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Yo, 240, how did an overly aggressive semi-retard like BB get appointed Politics board moderator?
yo yo!!!, I'm the overly aggressive mod here... I'm not about to give up that title, so back it up bro :D
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Just so you guys know, I'm the one who made the big push for BB to be mod. Yes we don't get along politcally at all, but that was the point. At the time we were under heavy pressure to have more balance with the mods. Whatever you think of BB, you have to admit, he's on the opposite end of things from where I stand. You may not like his opinion or you may not like mine, but what this gives you is a mod range to make things fair for everyone. That was the purpose anyway.
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Just so you guys know, I'm the one who made the big push for BB to be mod. Yes we don't get along politcally at all, but that was the point. At the time we were under heavy pressure to have more balance with the mods. Whatever you think of BB, you have to admit, he's on the opposite end of things from where I stand. You may not like his opinion or you may not like mine, but what this gives you is a mod range to make things fair for everyone. That was the purpose anyway.
He quells good discussions.
He rolls his eyes and instantly dismisses anything he disagrees with.
it's very possible that you lose a lot of good threads because he'll post them as FACT, and anyone who disagrees with him gets the eye roll.
plus, he deleted my shit a few months back, hence my hard-on for him.
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He quells good discussions.
He rolls his eyes and instantly dismisses anything he disagrees with.
it's very possible that you lose a lot of good threads because he'll post them as FACT, and anyone who disagrees with him gets the eye roll.
plus, he deleted my shit a few months back, hence my hard-on for him.
lol at the eye-rolling. One eye roll is nothing. But when he's repeatedly jabbing the eye roll emoticon in each post, it indicates a level of hostility that a moderator should not have.
probably a bully just like his pal "Colossus"
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[gasp] He said New Jersey instead of New York. ::) Yes, McGreevy was the governor of New Jersey. ::)
quoted for sheer meltdown value. ;D
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He quells good discussions.
He rolls his eyes and instantly dismisses anything he disagrees with.
it's very possible that you lose a lot of good threads because he'll post them as FACT, and anyone who disagrees with him gets the eye roll.
plus, he deleted my shit a few months back, hence my hard-on for him.
I'm sure you appreciate my position at the time. Jimmy had mustered his little army to bring the board under his play. There were others screaming for a legit rightwing mod and DL was AOL. BB didn't even want the mod spot and I talked him into it and for a reason. Would I rather have had 240 as mod, hell yes I would have, but that's not the point. "they" righties, were happy with him and that's the point. opposite of me is what we needed. Now if someone comes trying to step on my balls about how liberal this board is, I/we can legitametly say, bollocks! I know you don't like him, I know he pisses some people off, so do I, but the extreme right has someone as mod they can trust. (yes I know BB, you claim no affiliation, yet the righties are ok with you bigtime and that's the hole point, you're opposite me.) As far as him quelling good discussions, welcome to getbig, such has been so as long as I can remember. On a hole, I think we do fairly well here in political considering the open do what you want format of this forum.
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Spitzer is toast
He'll be gone by the end of the week
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BB is a great representative of the close-minded, logic-dodging, debate-avoiding neotaint crapsandwich we have in DC at the moment.
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BB is a great representative of the close-minded, logic-dodging, debate-avoiding neotaint crapsandwich we have in DC at the moment.
exactly... as you've also noticed they have their other supporters here aside from bb... 8)
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You talked him into it, but BB was my idea.
He's good mod.
Agreeing or Disagreeing with his politics has nothing to do with it.
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You talked him into it, but BB was my idea.
He's good mod.
Agreeing or Disagreeing with his politics has nothing to do with it.
Sorry bro, I didn't remember that. oops... I know I pretty much begged him to do it. He actually said no several times. The righties are happy as hell with him so I'm happy but you can't please everyone. Every single mod on getbig has some opposition to their position. I know it was important to appoint the extremes in a political forum, that most of us agreed with. Had we not made it so, this forum would be dead meat.
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LOL that poor woman! "My husband would rather pay $3000/hour to sleep with a whore than sleep with me." :-[
crap I missed this caption :D That is fuckered up.
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resignation imminent
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as much as people hate cops and law enforcement. if it wasnt for them, these guys would be in complete corruption.
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crap I missed this caption :D That is fuckered up.
Am I wrong? ???
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Am I wrong? ???
no, this is fucked up, you're not wrong, you're right on the money with what you said on all accounts.
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no, this is fucked up, you're not wrong, you're right on the money with what you said on all accounts.
Yes, he's wrong. he doesn't know the dynamic of that relationship. he was just gloating over her misfortune. Pretty typical for him.
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Yes, he's wrong. he doesn't know the dynamic of that relationship. he was just gloating over her misfortune. Pretty typical for him.
Typical of our resident arrogant FAG? Nooooo...
::)
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Typical of our resident arrogant FAG? Nooooo...
::)
Hahaha, he always comes off as someone trying to reassure himself by pointing out deficiencies in others. Must suck to be that negative.
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as much as people hate cops and law enforcement. if it wasnt for them, these guys would be in complete corruption.
People don't hate cops and law enforcement. I know I don't. I think people hate "corrupt" and abusive cops and law enforcement. Those who act like they are above the law, ...or worse, ...like they are the law.
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I have two issue with Spitzer:
1. A man with such power and money... why is he "customer # 9"? I mean, he should, by law, have his own bitch.
2. Why do these cheated-on wives always stand by their husbands? She should leave his sorry ass, take half of his shit and get a younger man to satisfy her.
Logic.
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Maybe the wives are having their own affairs. Maybe they have no sex drive and are content to be left alone and don't have any problem with their hubby getting some action on the side.
What I've been wondering recently is what Spitzer will miss more, his high profile job or being able to pick a nice young honey off a menu for an evening of fun.
Most likely both of those options are off the table for a long time.
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I don't know why people get so pissed about a public official using, or abusing, the services of a hooker. I mean, sex calms you down so... from a political prospective it helps you make better decisions because you're not thinking about pussy every 5 minutes (or dick in the case of the republicans). It's simple pussy-conomics.
Shit, have you ever been to a club where most of the crowd are women? Beautiful thing, no fights, niggas being polite to one another... Now, go to a club where it's mostly men and you can't even count the fights that just break out out of the blue, without provocation. Pussy is a powerful thing. It's the male's kryptonite. If every male around the world got pussy at least once a day.... shhhhhit! the whole world would look like a hippie lovetown.
However, most males suffer from pussy-withdrawal syndrome, and they let the testosterone do the talking (specially the republicans, who want to bomb anything that moves). And we all know what a bad idea that is (unless you're lifting weights). So, going back to the subject, I salute Spitzer for hitting the pussy. Good for him! I'm pretty sure that while he was playing customer # 9 he wasn't thinking about making decisions that would kill thousands of people. Furthermore, after getting the sweet pussy I'm pretty sure he went home and he did not bitch and moan about his shirts not being ironed or his shoes not being polished. It's called the pussy effect: it calms you down. It's like getting high on María.
That brings me to the story about two bulls going up a mountain. One was the father bull and the other was the son bull. Once both bulls reached the top of the mountain they stumbled upon an incredible sight: thousands and thousands of cows grazing over endless green pastures. The son bull said: "Dad! Look! Why don't we run and fuck one of the cows?!". To what the father bull, happily, responded: "No son. I have a better idea, why don't we WALK and fuck ALL the cows?".
Ahhhh! Pussssy!
Spitzer for president.
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I have two issue with Spitzer:
1. A man with such power and money... why is he "customer # 9"? I mean, he should, by law, have his own bitch.
2. Why do these cheated-on wives always stand by their husbands? She should leave his sorry ass, take half of his shit and get a younger man to satisfy her.
Logic.
1. Apparently he's extremely cheap, or frugal, whatever you want to call it. Papa Spitzer has most of the money anyway (the younger Spitzer rents from him). It cost big bucks to keep a mistress, and since for a long time, the wife was making more money than her husband, I think she might have had an issue with it.
2. See above post. Actually, since she was making more money than her husband until she relinquished her career to manage her husband's, I wonder how that would play out in the divorce courts.
2b. She had only just found out about the scandal days before, so she could hardly be expected to make a decision in such a short time. Politics is a family business, so standing by your man is kind of expected, at least for the first few press conferences.
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I don't know why people get so pissed about a public official using, or abusing, the services of a hooker. I mean, sex calms you down so... from a political prospective it helps you make better decisions because you're not thinking about pussy every 5 minutes (or dick in the case of the republicans). It's simple pussy-conomics.
Shit, have you ever been to a club where most of the crowd are women? Beautiful thing, no fights, niggas being polite to one another... Now, go to a club where it's mostly men and you can't even count the fights that just break out out of the blue, without provocation. Pussy is a powerful thing. It's the male's kryptonite. If every male around the world got pussy at least once a day.... shhhhhit! the whole world would look like a hippie lovetown.
However, most males suffer from pussy-withdrawal syndrome, and they let the testosterone do the talking (specially the republicans, who want to bomb anything that moves). And we all know what a bad idea that is (unless you're lifting weights). So, going back to the subject, I salute Spitzer for hitting the pussy. Good for him! I'm pretty sure that while he was playing customer # 9 he wasn't thinking about making decisions that would kill thousands of people. Furthermore, after getting the sweet pussy I'm pretty sure he went home and he did not bitch and moan about his shirts not being ironed or his shoes not being polished. It's called the pussy effect: it calms you down. It's like getting high on María.
That brings me to the story about two bulls going up a mountain. One was the father bull and the other was the son bull. Once both bulls reached the top of the mountain they stumbled upon an incredible sight: thousands and thousands of cows grazing over endless green pastures. The son bull said: "Dad! Look! Why don't we run and fuck one of the cows?!". To what the father bull, happily, responded: "No son. I have a better idea, why don't we WALK and fuck ALL the cows?".
Ahhhh! Pussssy!
Spitzer for president.
All fine and dandy, but consider the fact that he used tax payer money to get pussy. Plus, he came down hard on prostitution rings throughout his career.
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Yes, he's wrong. he doesn't know the dynamic of that relationship. he was just gloating over her misfortune. Pretty typical for him.
really? My post was in reply to him asking if he was wrong on this comment: "LOL that poor woman! "My husband would rather pay $3000/hour to sleep with a whore than sleep with me.""
I don't know but how could one not think that when your spouce runs off to be with another for 3000 an hour. She should have bailed on him and let him stand up there on his own. Seems like he got into this mess by himself, he should be up there answering for it by himself. She takes a big hit from this and he drags her up there to stand with his humilating actions :-\
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Government agencies did a good job of figuring out what evil this guy was up to. I'm sure all their legal spying on his legal withdrawl of money is justified and this isnt just about payback. I hope they can do the same with war criminals.
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All fine and dandy, but consider the fact that he used tax payer money to get pussy. Plus, he came down hard on prostitution rings throughout his career.
I don't give a shit that he spent tax dollars on a hooker. Like I said, it calmed him down and it helped him make better decisions that eventually benefit us all. In any case, and just to give you an example of how "fair" and "liberal" the American media are, $ 10,000 for pussy is getting more publicity than the 600 billion we've spent on stealing someone else's oil and taking part in one of the biggest massacres of recent years.
You do the math.
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has it been proven that he used tax payer $$$?
If so that's a much bigger issue (IMO) than his actual hobby
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LOL I bet the judge would be cool with it... cause his own appointment is scheduled for 4:15.
LOL @ Misty at the Radisson!
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Good summary of what they know so far: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SPITZERS_DEMISE?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
This guy needs to go to jail.
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Good summary of what they know so far: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SPITZERS_DEMISE?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
This guy needs to go to jail.
Not at all.
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I can only hope. Just an alarming abuse of his office.
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Finally!!! A corrupt dem!!! cruurent score: repugs, 22 times a day. Dems: 1 every 4 months.
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Buyers don't go to jail, sellers do. If buyers were prosecuted, prisons would be bursting at the seams. While everyone's worrying about a public figure's sexual proclivities, this is far more frightening. From the Associated Press story posted above:
"Spitzer appeared to be in a good mood, watching President Bush singing a parody about the "brown, brown grass of home" in Texas."
Is there no end to that man's retardedness? ;D If it wasn't so "Nero fiddling while Rome burns," it would be hilarious.
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I can only hope. Just an alarming abuse of his office.
He didn't abuse his office and I don't see anything in that story about using tax payer $$$
At this point I'm guessing they won't pursue prosecution under the Mann Act and he'll probably serve no jail time.
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"Serious criminal charges were possible: soliciting sex; violating the Mann Act, the 1910 federal law that makes it a crime to induce someone to cross state lines for immoral purposes; and arranging cash transactions to conceal their purpose."
In addition, he may have extended government sponsored trips to commit these crimes. I also seriously doubt his taxpayer funded security team had no involvement whatsoever (knowingly or unknowingly). This is the tip of the iceberg IMO.
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you could be right.
I'm just guessing he'll agree to a plea deal and it will be over and he won't see the inside of a cell
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Some people think he made some kind of deal to resign in lieu of facing jail time. I sure hope that's not the case. Someone who was so brazen about morality and put people behind bars for the very crime he committed while holding an office of public trust needs to spend time in prison.
I was just watching a show about these hypocrites (Spitzer, McGreevy, Craig, Foley, etc.) and I'm just thoroughly disgusted with these fools.
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Did Spitzer put individual customers of prostitutes in jail?
I wonder who customers 1 thru 8 and #10 will turn out to be
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That's really splitting hairs. Doesn't matter to me if he jailed prostitutes or johns. Doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite. He was participating in the same crime he prosecuted as AG.
Don't know who 1-8 are, but on the show I watched one of the people who was involved in the business who said there are a number of high profile people who used that service.
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That's really splitting hairs. Doesn't matter to me if he jailed prostitutes or johns. Doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite. He was participating in the same crime he prosecuted as AG.
Don't know who 1-8 are, but on the show I watched one of the people who was involved in the business who said there are a number of high profile people who used that service.
I'm not defending Spitzer but it's not splitting hairs. There is a difference and you (world class hair splitter yourself) should know it
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Did I say you were defending Spitzer?
From a hypocrisy standpoint, there is absolutely no difference between him jailing prostitutes or johns as AG. He was apparently committing this crime while he was AG too.
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Did I say you were defending Spitzer?
From a hypocrisy standpoint, there is absolutely no difference between him jailing prostitutes or johns as AG. He was apparently committing this crime while he was AG too.
I didn't say you did
I mentioned it only as a preface to the fact there this IS a difference between, for example, being the proprietor a slavery/prostitution ring and being an individual client of a high class escort service.
I'm not defending Spitzers actions (and I'm kind of shocked by both the stupidity and arrogance) but there is a difference - just like there is a difference between speeding and a DUI
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I don't want to start repeating myself, but we (not surprisingly) just view this differently. IMO, it is the height of hypocrisy and morally outrageous for a law enforcement officer to prosecute a crime and engage in that very crime himself, at any level. Even if he only prosecuted pimps and not johns, the fact is he still enabled pimps to continue their business by being a patron. He was prosecuting a criminal organization and feeding that organization at the same time. Even more egregious to do it as governor after being AG.
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I have to agree. He should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Unless they find some other illegal activities he'll probably get the same treatment as most other men in his situation
I give him credit for resigning as quickly as he did
fucking idiot
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I don't want to start repeating myself, but we (not surprisingly) just view this differently. IMO, it is the height of hypocrisy and morally outrageous for a law enforcement officer to prosecute a crime and engage in that very crime himself, at any level. Even if he only prosecuted pimps and not johns, the fact is he still enabled pimps to continue their business by being a patron. He was prosecuting a criminal organization and feeding that organization at the same time. Even more egregious to do it as governor after being AG.
I find this interesting. Not that I believe you are wrong in this assertion, ...but I find it interesting that you can apply this reasoning to Spitzer, but not see it in any way shape or form as applicable to the Bush administration. How do you reconcile this in your own mind? Is this hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused?
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I give him credit for resigning as quickly as he did
that is what is interesting here.
Sen Vitter and Sen Craig were both hypocrites in that they voted anti-gay and pro-family legislation, all while either nailing hookers long term (vitter) or making advances in mens room (craig).
They didn't resign. Spitzer admitted his mistake and was gone from the job in less than a week. Craid said he'd quit, then changed his mind. Vitter never even mentioned resigning - and they were senators, a step above governor.
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I find this interesting. Not that I believe you are wrong in this assertion, ...but I find it interesting that you can apply this reasoning to Spitzer, but not see it in any way shape or form as applicable to the Bush administration. How do you reconcile this in your own mind? Is this hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused?
The thread is about Spitzer. Just fyi.
If you want to start a thread about the Bush Administration supporting prostitution rings then be my guest.
If you want to engage me in your anti-American nonsense, I won't bite.
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I don't want to start repeating myself, but we (not surprisingly) just view this differently. IMO, it is the height of hypocrisy and morally outrageous for a law enforcement officer to prosecute a crime and engage in that very crime himself, at any level. Even if he only prosecuted pimps and not johns, the fact is he still enabled pimps to continue their business by being a patron. He was prosecuting a criminal organization and feeding that organization at the same time. Even more egregious to do it as governor after being AG.
do you really feel morally outRAGED about this?
seriously?
I'm not going to go off on a liberal rant but I can think of a few more things I feel outraged about before this
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do you really feel morally outRAGED about this?
seriously?
I'm not going to go off on a liberal rant but I can think of a few more things I feel outraged about before this
Of course. Why do you need to rank your level of outrage? I can think of things more morally outrageous than this, but that doesn't change how I view this man's conduct. This guy was a lawyer, former AG who prosecuted the same crime he is accused of engaging in, governor, husband, wife of three teenaged daughters, and someone who preached morality from his bully pulpit.
IMO, if we get to the point where our society is not outraged by this, we are in serious trouble.
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Of course. Why do you need to rank your level of outrage? I can think of things more morally outrageous than this, but that doesn't change how I view this man's conduct. This guy was a lawyer, former AG who prosecuted the same crime he is accused of engaging in, governor, husband, wife of three teenaged daughters, and someone who preached morality from his bully pulpit.
IMO, if we get to the point where our society is not outraged by this, we are in serious trouble.
I don't care that much
he lost his job, career, reputation
how much more do you need to satisfy your outrage?
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The thread is about Spitzer. Just fyi.
If you want to start a thread about the Bush Administration supporting prostitution rings then be my guest.
If you want to engage me in your anti-American nonsense, I won't bite.
I am well aware this thread is about Spitzer. I am trying to clarify or understand your thought processes.
The question posed to you his 'how do you reconcile this moral outrage you feel when it comes to witnessing the same type of hypocisy your decry in Spitzer, in the Bush administration? I want to know. do you not see this as hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused? It's a legitimate question. The only 'anti-american' aspect I see are those who would sit idley by while those in high places systematically destroy their country. Pointing out the mistake & crimes of those who hurt America is not anti-american, ...on the contrary, ...it is very pro-America.
...and FYI: The Bush Administration does not equal America.
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I don't care that much
he lost his job, career, reputation
how much more do you need to satisfy your outrage?
I don't think he'd be satisfied until he got a pound of flesh (from below Spitzer's belt)
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I don't care that much
he lost his job, career, reputation
how much more do you need to satisfy your outrage?
And yet he is still in line to inherit his fathers half a billion dollar fortune. [sniff sniff] I don't really need anything to satisfy my outrage, other than time. He will slink off into the sunset, become a footnote, and be replaced by the next hypocrite in a few months.
But I would like to see him spend some time in prison.
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I am well aware this thread is about Spitzer. I am trying to clarify or understand your thought processes.
The question posed to you his 'how do you reconcile this moral outrage you feel when it comes to witnessing the same type of hypocisy your decry in Spitzer, in the Bush administration? I want to know. do you not see this as hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused? It's a legitimate question. The only 'anti-american' aspect I see are those who would sit idley by while those in high places systematically destroy their country. Pointing out the mistake & crimes of those who hurt America is not anti-american, ...on the contrary, ...it is very pro-America.
...and FYI: The Bush Administration does not equal America.
I haven't witnessed "the same type of hypocrisy," so it's a dumb question.
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I am well aware this thread is about Spitzer. I am trying to clarify or understand your thought processes.
The question posed to you his 'how do you reconcile this moral outrage you feel when it comes to witnessing the same type of hypocisy your decry in Spitzer, in the Bush administration? I want to know. do you not see this as hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused? It's a legitimate question. The only 'anti-american' aspect I see are those who would sit idley by while those in high places systematically destroy their country. Pointing out the mistake & crimes of those who hurt America is not anti-american, ...on the contrary, ...it is very pro-America.
...and FYI: The Bush Administration does not equal America.
He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it. That's why asking him your question is stupid.
Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.
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He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it. That's why asking him your question is stupid.
Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.
which begets why even bother talking to this person?
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which begets why even bother talking to this person?
I disagree.
Because BB, constructs his arguments well if you are not in a insult match with him and because of that i learn how and why easily half the population of America sides with Bush. BB, is a more of a practical conservative and not the traditional stupid brainwashed sort you find on this board from time to time.
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He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it. That's why asking him your question is stupid.
Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.
Precisely.
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I disagree.
Because BB, constructs his arguments well if you are not in a insult match with him and because of that i learn how and why easily half the population of America sides with Bush. BB, is a more of a practical conservative and not the traditional stupid brainwashed sort you find on this board from time to time.
Thanks mang. :)
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And yet he is still in line to inherit his fathers half a billion dollar fortune. [sniff sniff] I don't really need anything to satisfy my outrage, other than time. He will slink off into the sunset, become a footnote, and be replaced by the next hypocrite in a few months.
But I would like to see him spend some time in prison.
why mention the fathers money?
he's got that either way
it just makes you look petty and jealous
I'm really just trying to understand why you feel such outrage
for consensual sex
between two adults
for MONEY
why is that so high on your list of stuff that makes you feel outraged?
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I disagree.
Because BB, constructs his arguments well if you are not in a insult match with him and because of that i learn how and why easily half the population of America sides with Bush. BB, is a more of a practical conservative and not the traditional stupid brainwashed sort you find on this board from time to time.
with the least amount of offense possible to BB
I think you've got it completely backwards
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He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it. That's why asking him your question is stupid.
I suppose that's one way to avoid the issue entirely.
Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.
No attempt at "playground spin" here. I seriously can't see such a reconciliation for someone who is thinking clearly.
I disagree.
Because BB, constructs his arguments well if you are not in a insult match with him and because of that i learn how and why easily half the population of America sides with Bush.
We must be looking at 2 different boards forums or refering to 2 different BB's. {sigh}
BB, is a more of a practical conservative and not the traditional stupid brainwashed sort you find on this board from time to time.
I agree with the first part, ...practical he is. IMO practical to the point of hypocrisy and beyond.
As for the 2nd part of that sentence, I couldn't disagree with your assessment of him more strongly.
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with the least amount of offense possible to BB
I think you've got it completely backwards
You've gone round and round and toe to toe with him. Some of your debates have fallen only name calling. (not saying that as if you or him are any lesser for it) But i see him differently becuase of 2 things:
- While get into heated exchanges with him, we never regress to insults, we in the end agree that we disagree usually.
- I've also seen BB admit he voted for Clinton, something a staunch twisted neo-con would never do or at least admit to, he opposed wiretapping on American citizens without a judge approval and this latest one about dna swabs on traffic stops to find a serial killer in Wisconsin he was appalled with. He also admits the war has been handled poorly and grossly mismanaged before the surge.
Now i challenge you to get Brixbulldog to admit to that crap with out lying to win the argument.
That's some of the reason i call him a practical conservative, now he may have other quirks regarding morality in society, but i implore you to look at it from his POV a little: He has 3 daughters. I have one. I totally understand where's he's coming from when it comes to abstinence and abortion even though i don't agree on the detail level, but i do agree in general.
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I suppose that's one way to avoid the issue entirely.
No attempt at "playground spin" here. I seriously can't see such a reconciliation for someone who is thinking clearly.
If you are going to bring up a hypocrisy by relating the morality of punishing a hypocrite who committed a crime with an opinion of immorality by the BUSH administration then you better be fair and bring all the other hypocrisies in the world in all the areas possible. The list will be in the millions. that's why trying to bring up BUSH is a "trollish spin".
Just start another thread if you want to talk about BUSH and his hypocrisy. This is about a hypocrite that got caught and should be punished. Wage your BUSH crap elsewhere.
We must be looking at 2 different boards forums or refering to 2 different BB's. {sigh}
yeah, maybe you should take a poll about it or something.
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You've round and round and toe to toe with him. Some of your debates have fallen only name calling. (not saying that as if you or him are any lesser for it) But i see him differently becuase of 2 things:
- While get into heated exchanges with him, we never regress to insults, we in the end agree that we disagree usually.
- I've also seen BB admit he voted for Clinton, something a staunch twisted neo-con would never do or at least admit to, he opposed wiretapping on American citizens without a judge approval and this latest one about dna swabs on traffic stops to find a serial killer in Wisconsin he was appalled with. He also admits the war has been handled poorly and grossly mismanaged before the surge.
Now i challenge you to get Brixbulldog to admit to that crap with out lying to win the argument.
That's some of the reason i call him a practical conservative, now he may have other quirks regarding morality in society, but i implore you to look at it from his POV a little: He has 3 daughters. I have one. I totally understand where's he's coming from when it comes to abstinence and abortion even though i don't agree on the detail level, but i do agree in general.
OK, you've backed up your argument well.
For me what I see is someone with a complete disconnect when it comes to the issue of "morality".
For some strange reason, it appears that in his mind 'morality' is all about sex. Almost as if one can kill & maim indiscriminately, ...as long as one doesn't have illicit sex. He seems to have an incredible over-fascination with anything sexual.
If you are going to bring up a hypocrisy by relating the morality of punishing a hypocrite who committed a crime with an opinion of immorality by the BUSH administration then you better be fair and bring all the other hypocrisies in the world in all the areas possible. The list will be in the millions. that's why trying to bring up BUSH is a "trollish spin".
There is no "trollish spin" I bring up Bush because he appears to blindly support him. I realize there are millions of other hypocrisies in the world, but I don't hear him championing any of those. I do see him championing Bush, while condemning Spitzer. Moral outrage? Good grief. There are plenty of things far more worthy of moral outrage than a hypocrite who was forced to step down in disgrace
Just start another thread if you want to talk about BUSH and his hypocrisy. This is about a hypocrite that got caught and should be punished. Wage your BUSH crap elsewhere.
You're missing the point completely. Whether it's through the inability to see my point, or expedient 'practicality' I don't know. But my post was not about Bush, but rather about Beaches ability to condemn Spitzer so fiercely to the point of "MORAL OUTRAGE", while at the same time be able to champion Bush. I wanted to know how he reconciled the two. But as you said, ...he certainly is "practical" ::)
yeah, maybe you should take a poll about it or something.
No need for a poll.
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You've gone round and round and toe to toe with him. Some of your debates have fallen only name calling. (not saying that as if you or him are any lesser for it) But i see him differently becuase of 2 things:
- While get into heated exchanges with him, we never regress to insults, we in the end agree that we disagree usually.
- I've also seen BB admit he voted for Clinton, something a staunch twisted neo-con would never do or at least admit to, he opposed wiretapping on American citizens without a judge approval and this latest one about dna swabs on traffic stops to find a serial killer in Wisconsin he was appalled with. He also admits the war has been handled poorly and grossly mismanaged before the surge.
Now i challenge you to get Brixbulldog to admit to that crap with out lying to win the argument.
That's some of the reason i call him a practical conservative, now he may have other quirks regarding morality in society, but i implore you to look at it from his POV a little: He has 3 daughters. I have one. I totally understand where's he's coming from when it comes to abstinence and abortion even though i don't agree on the detail level, but i do agree in general.
I've re-read this thread and I don't see where I've simply called BB names. I do see myself responding to his statemets and sometimes disagreeing and also sometimes acknowledging he might be right. I also see myself asking questions to BB to try to clarify his feeling of moral outrage only to see him completely avoid debate or dialogue.
Here's the part I don't get. You've correctly pointed out that BB simply doesn't (or refuses to) recognize certain inconsistencies yet you somehow don't see why this would make almost all true dialogue with him on this and other topics completely POINTLESS
Somehow you've concluded that I'm stupid for trying to have an adult discussion with someone who's main tactic is to put his hands over his ears whenever he hears something he doesn't agree with
He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it. That's why asking him your question is stupid.
Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.
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I've re-read this thread and I don't see where I've simply called BB names. I do see myself responding to his statemets and sometimes disagreeing and also sometimes acknowledging he might be right. I also see myself asking questions to BB to try to clarify his feeling of moral outrage only to see him completely avoid debate or dialogue.
I wasn't talking about this thread. I seem to recall you guys in heated exchanges in other threads doing that. I might be wrong and apologize if it gave either of you offense.
Here's the part I don't get. You've correctly pointed out that BB simply doesn't (or refuses to) recognize certain inconsistencies yet you somehow don't see why this would make almost all true dialogue with him on this and other topics completely POINTLESS
That's not what I'm saying. BB, doesn't draw the same conclusions about BUSH. It's a matter of opinion more than fact as our opinions influence what deem as moral or not moral. Asking BB, to compare to "moral outrageous" between BUSH and spitzer is like asking him to comment on the state of fruit between Kale and oranges.
I completely disagree with on the matters. But if you want to debate on the BUSH hypocrisy, debate directly to it, not by comparing something he doesn't even recognize as a fruit.
I know that sounds dumb, but I'm eating an orange right now and i had kale last night. they are both in season in Cali ;D
Somehow you've concluded that I'm stupid for trying to have an adult discussion with someone who's main tactic is to put his hands over his ears whenever he hears something he doesn't agree with
Where have i done that? It wasn't my intention at all. It's just stupid to discuss that with him becuase he doesn't agree to the initial premise.
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Ozmo,
I never mentioned Bush in this thread. I did question BB moral outrage (his words) over such a stupid and insignificant crime and attempted to get some sense of exactly how his outrage scale is calibrated
do you really feel morally outRAGED about this?
seriously?
I'm not going to go off on a liberal rant but I can think of a few more things I feel outraged about before this
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Ozmo,
I never mentioned Bush in this thread. I did question BB moral outrage (his words) over such a stupid and insignificant crime and attempted to get some sense of exactly how his outrage scale is calibrated
I see.
The post of mine you commented on was in response to jags thing about bush and spitzer.
It's all good man. ;D
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No worries.
I do find it interesting how so many threads that involve BB wind up becoming thread about BB, specifically his peculiar way of shutting down a dialogue when confronted with questions that attempt to understand his way of thinking.
Regarding the Spitzer situation. No one was killed or maimed. It has virtually no impact on anyone outside the small group of people who are involved. By far, the primary recipient of the damage was the person who created the situation.
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No worries.
I do find it interesting how so many threads that involve BB wind up becoming thread about BB, specifically his peculiar way of shutting down a dialogue when confronted with questions that attempt to understand his way of thinking.
Regarding the Spitzer situation. No one was killed or maimed. It has virtually no impact on anyone outside the small group of people who are involved. By far, the primary recipient of the damage was the person who created the situation.
Yeah, i see that sometimes.
For Spitzer, If it comes out that all he did was have sex with a hooker, he should get what ever punishment an ordinary person should get at the very least. A weekend in jail and the some community service weekends wouldn't be bad...
However, if this rich self righteous prick gets the full weight of punishment possible i won't complain.
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Yeah, i see that sometimes.
For Spitzer, If it comes out that all he did was have sex with a hooker, he should get what ever punishment an ordinary person should get at the very least. A weekend in jail and the some community service weekends wouldn't be bad...
However, if this rich self righteous prick gets the full weight of punishment possible i won't complain.
I think a lot of people are with you on this one.
The arrogance and stupidity are stunning but that's pretty much all I feel about it.
He has been publicly humiliated, lost his job, probably did severe damage to his relationship with his wife and kids, and most likely fucked up his entire future.
Most average people in his situation don't suffer as much but then again then again I guess the bigger you are the harder you fall.
My moral outrage is reserved for things like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7299914.stm
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Yeah, i see that sometimes.
For Spitzer, If it comes out that all he did was have sex with a hooker, he should get what ever punishment an ordinary person should get at the very least. A weekend in jail and the some community service weekends wouldn't be bad...
However, if this rich self righteous prick gets the full weight of punishment possible i won't complain.
Interesting. A few of you seem to have that opinion, and Beach is morally outraged to boot. I'm intrigued as to why, all of a sudden, anyone would care about what a politician does with a whore.
Politics and prostitution go hand in hand, both on a metaphorical level, as well as in a very real way. All you have to do is google sex scandal + world or politician and you'll end up with an astonishing list. Summer 2007 seems to have been a particularly busy period worldwide for such political pecadillos and sexual faux pas.
Maybe politicians do see themselves as above the law. Perhaps it's a "peer group pressure" thing and you can't be part of the old boys' club if you don't partake in the "perks." Maybe certain politicians who have wives that also function in a work/advisory capacity feel sexually turned off by that, and just plain long for a night here and there to be a man in the manly sense.
People say the Bush administration shouldn't be brought into it, but leaving the obvious Iraq war issue out of it, there was this skanky incident with a certain gay hustler cum political journalist Jeff Gannon. Who in their right minds believes this guy had daily access to the white house because of his press "credentials?" Like some illegal sexual activity wasn't covered up there! And what about Jack Kennedy and the abundance of whores he had tracking through the white house any given week? It is said that old Joe paid Jackie one million to stay with that president who ALSO apparently couldn't keep it in his pants. Does anyone revile him for it? No. Those are just two minor examples. If it's tolerated and covered up at the white house level, why are people indignant when it trickles down elsewhere?
Spitzer pissed off a lot of people who are laughing now. He played the moral high ground, then got caught in the gutter with his pantaloons around his ankles. So what. It happens every day. Why should he be punished any more than any other ho-purchasing politician john?
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why mention the fathers money?
he's got that either way
it just makes you look petty and jealous
I'm really just trying to understand why you feel such outrage
for consensual sex
between two adults
for MONEY
why is that so high on your list of stuff that makes you feel outraged?
I mentioned his money to put your comments about his so-called punishment in context. Yes he resigned in disgrace, but he's still one of the wealthiest men in the country. If you're going to claim that losing his job is some sort of extreme punishment then (if you're being reasonable) you have to consider the fact he will simply fly off into the sunset to spend his millions.
I didn't rank my level of outrage and don't have a list. But nice try.
I know you like to repeatedly ask me the same question and get frustrated when I quit answering it, but regarding why I think this is outrageous, I've already explained why in this thread:
I don't want to start repeating myself, but we (not surprisingly) just view this differently. IMO, it is the height of hypocrisy and morally outrageous for a law enforcement officer to prosecute a crime and engage in that very crime himself, at any level. Even if he only prosecuted pimps and not johns, the fact is he still enabled pimps to continue their business by being a patron. He was prosecuting a criminal organization and feeding that organization at the same time. Even more egregious to do it as governor after being AG.
Of course. Why do you need to rank your level of outrage? I can think of things more morally outrageous than this, but that doesn't change how I view this man's conduct. This guy was a lawyer, former AG who prosecuted the same crime he is accused of engaging in, governor, husband, wife of three teenaged daughters, and someone who preached morality from his bully pulpit.
IMO, if we get to the point where our society is not outraged by this, we are in serious trouble.
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I do find it interesting how so many threads that involve BB wind up becoming thread about BB
Me too. :D
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Bum,
The reason I'm forced to ask you the same questions is because you repeatedly dodge the question or veer off on tangent or purely semantic argument.
If I have any frustration it's that I keep forgetting that it's almost always pointless to try to engage you a real discusion
Your mention of his fathers money is irrelevent to the argument but it does highlight your pettiness.
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Me too. :D
Don't forget this part:
No worries.
I do find it interesting how so many threads that involve BB wind up becoming thread about BB, specifically his peculiar way of shutting down a dialogue when confronted with questions that attempt to understand his way of thinking.
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Bum,
The reason I'm forced to ask you the same questions is because you repeatedly dodge the question or veer off on tangent or purely semantic argument.
If I have any frustration it's that I keep forgetting that it's almost always pointless to try to engage you a real discusion
Your mention of his fathers money is irrelevent to the argument but it does highlight your pettiness.
Easy solution. Don't engage me. :)
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Easy solution. Don't engage me. :)
my point exactly
You're a mod who actually shuts down a discussion
Why bother
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my point exactly
You're a mod who actually shuts down a discussion
Why bother
lol. Riiight. What happens is when you start acting like a fool, I either clown around right along with you, or simply leave you (or anyone who does this) alone. If you ever want to have an intelligent exchange, then I have no problem with that. If you want to veer off topic and start trying to make me the focus of the discussion, ad hominem, acting like a frustrated kid, etc. then don't start crying when the conversation deteriorates. Also, I don’t need to have the last word in any discussion.
And I'll repeat: if you're unable to have an exchange without all the insults, etc. and don't like my style, then quit engaging me. But I'm about done on this part of the discussion, because I'd rather this thread be about the colossal hypocrite who left his office today and hopefully will spend some time in a federal detention center.
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lol. Riiight. What happens is when you start acting like a fool, I either clown around right along with you, or simply leave you (or anyone who does this) alone. If you ever want to have an intelligent exchange, then I have no problem with that. If you want to veer off topic and start trying to make me the focus of the discussion, ad hominem, acting like a frustrated kid, etc. then don't start crying when the conversation deteriorates. Also, I don’t need to have the last word in any discussion.
And I'll repeat: if you're unable to have an exchange without all the insults, etc. and don't like my style, then quit engaging me. But I'm about done on this part of the discussion, because I'd rather this thread be about the colossal hypocrite who left his office today and hopefully will spend some time in a federal detention center.
try to get this into that house of mirrors inside your skull.
1. A dialogue starts
2. Somewhere along the way you invariably make a comment that seems odd or just something that others would like to understand better
3. When questioned by me or others for some clarification or some additional context or perspective you more often than not start playing word games, avoiding the question, pretend you don't understand the question (your favorite I think) or re-state the question in a way that alters the original point and then pretend that you've addressed the original question
You prove repeatedly that it's POINTLESS to try to treat you like an adult and engage you in dialogue.
It's too bad that you can't understand (or pretend not to understand) this point.
It's been explained to you by myself and others on more than one occassion
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try to get this into that house of mirrors inside your skull.
1. A dialogue starts
2. Somewhere along the way you invariably make a comment that seems odd or just something that others would like to understand better
3. When questioned by me or others for some clarification or some additional context or perspective you more often than not start playing word games, avoiding the question, pretend you don't understand the question (your favorite I think) or re-state the question in a way that alters the original point and then pretend that you've addressed the original question
You prove repeatedly that it's POINTLESS to try to treat you like an adult and engage you in dialogue.
It's too bad that you can't understand (or pretend not to understand) this point.
It's been explained to you by myself and others on more than one occassion
Not entirely pointless. Some good does come from it I suppose.
It does allow others who read this board to easily recognize him for what he is.
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:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=434206055689898941&q=love+client+no.+9&total=4504&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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Attn: This is getbig. Insults are standard procedure here.. :)