Spitzer Is Linked to Prostitution Ring

[Dos Equis]

"Serious criminal charges were possible: soliciting sex; violating the Mann Act, the 1910 federal law that makes it a crime to induce someone to cross state lines for immoral purposes; and arranging cash transactions to conceal their purpose."

In addition, he may have extended government sponsored trips to commit these crimes.  I also seriously doubt his taxpayer funded security team had no involvement whatsoever (knowingly or unknowingly).  This is the tip of the iceberg IMO.   

[Straw Man]

you could be right.

I'm just guessing he'll agree to a plea deal and it will be over and he won't see the inside of a cell

[Dos Equis]

Some people think he made some kind of deal to resign in lieu of facing jail time.  I sure hope that's not the case.  Someone who was so brazen about morality and put people behind bars for the very crime he committed while holding an office of public trust needs to spend time in prison. 

I was just watching a show about these hypocrites (Spitzer, McGreevy, Craig, Foley, etc.) and I'm just thoroughly disgusted with these fools. 

[Straw Man]

Did Spitzer put individual customers of prostitutes in jail?

I wonder who customers 1 thru 8 and #10 will turn out to be

[Dos Equis]

That's really splitting hairs.  Doesn't matter to me if he jailed prostitutes or johns.  Doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite.  He was participating in the same crime he prosecuted as AG. 

Don't know who 1-8 are, but on the show I watched one of the people who was involved in the business who said there are a number of high profile people who used that service.   

[Straw Man]

That's really splitting hairs.  Doesn't matter to me if he jailed prostitutes or johns.  Doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite.  He was participating in the same crime he prosecuted as AG. 

Don't know who 1-8 are, but on the show I watched one of the people who was involved in the business who said there are a number of high profile people who used that service.   

I'm not defending Spitzer but it's not splitting hairs.   There is a difference and you (world class hair splitter yourself) should know it

[Dos Equis]

Did I say you were defending Spitzer? 

From a hypocrisy standpoint, there is absolutely no difference between him jailing prostitutes or johns as AG.  He was apparently committing this crime while he was AG too. 

 

[Straw Man]

Did I say you were defending Spitzer? 

From a hypocrisy standpoint, there is absolutely no difference between him jailing prostitutes or johns as AG.  He was apparently committing this crime while he was AG too. 

I didn't say you did

I mentioned it only as a preface to the fact there this IS a difference between, for example, being the proprietor a slavery/prostitution ring and being an individual client of a high class escort service.   

I'm not defending Spitzers actions (and I'm kind of shocked by both the stupidity and arrogance)  but there is a difference - just like there is a difference between speeding and a DUI

[Dos Equis]

I don't want to start repeating myself, but we (not surprisingly) just view this differently.  IMO, it is the height of hypocrisy and morally outrageous for a law enforcement officer to prosecute a crime and engage in that very crime himself, at any level.  Even if he only prosecuted pimps and not johns, the fact is he still enabled pimps to continue their business by being a patron.  He was prosecuting a criminal organization and feeding that organization at the same time.  Even more egregious to do it as governor after being AG.   

[OzmO]

I have to agree.  He should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[Straw Man]

Unless they find some other illegal activities he'll probably get the same treatment as most other men in his situation

I give him credit for resigning as quickly as he did

fucking idiot

[24KT]

I don't want to start repeating myself, but we (not surprisingly) just view this differently.  IMO, it is the height of hypocrisy and morally outrageous for a law enforcement officer to prosecute a crime and engage in that very crime himself, at any level.  Even if he only prosecuted pimps and not johns, the fact is he still enabled pimps to continue their business by being a patron.  He was prosecuting a criminal organization and feeding that organization at the same time.  Even more egregious to do it as governor after being AG.   

I find this interesting. Not that I believe you are wrong in this assertion, ...but I find it interesting that you can apply this reasoning to Spitzer, but not see it in any way shape or form as applicable to the Bush administration. How do you reconcile this in your own mind? Is this hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused?

[240 is Back]

I give him credit for resigning as quickly as he did

that is what is interesting here.

Sen Vitter and Sen Craig were both hypocrites in that they voted anti-gay and pro-family legislation, all while either nailing hookers long term (vitter) or making advances in mens room (craig).

They didn't resign.  Spitzer admitted his mistake and was gone from the job in less than a week.  Craid said he'd quit, then changed his mind.  Vitter never even mentioned resigning - and they were senators, a step above governor.  

[Dos Equis]

I find this interesting. Not that I believe you are wrong in this assertion, ...but I find it interesting that you can apply this reasoning to Spitzer, but not see it in any way shape or form as applicable to the Bush administration. How do you reconcile this in your own mind? Is this hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused?

The thread is about Spitzer.  Just fyi. 

If you want to start a thread about the Bush Administration supporting prostitution rings then be my guest. 

If you want to engage me in your anti-American nonsense, I won't bite.   

[Straw Man]

I don't want to start repeating myself, but we (not surprisingly) just view this differently.  IMO, it is the height of hypocrisy and morally outrageous for a law enforcement officer to prosecute a crime and engage in that very crime himself, at any level.  Even if he only prosecuted pimps and not johns, the fact is he still enabled pimps to continue their business by being a patron.  He was prosecuting a criminal organization and feeding that organization at the same time.  Even more egregious to do it as governor after being AG.   

do you really feel morally outRAGED about this?

seriously?

I'm not going to go off on a liberal rant but I can think of a few more things I feel outraged about before this

[Dos Equis]

do you really feel morally outRAGED about this?

seriously?

I'm not going to go off on a liberal rant but I can think of a few more things I feel outraged about before this

Of course.  Why do you need to rank your level of outrage?  I can think of things more morally outrageous than this, but that doesn't change how I view this man's conduct.  This guy was a lawyer, former AG who prosecuted the same crime he is accused of engaging in, governor, husband, wife of three teenaged daughters, and someone who preached morality from his bully pulpit.

IMO, if we get to the point where our society is not outraged by this, we are in serious trouble.     

[Straw Man]

Of course.  Why do you need to rank your level of outrage?  I can think of things more morally outrageous than this, but that doesn't change how I view this man's conduct.  This guy was a lawyer, former AG who prosecuted the same crime he is accused of engaging in, governor, husband, wife of three teenaged daughters, and someone who preached morality from his bully pulpit.

IMO, if we get to the point where our society is not outraged by this, we are in serious trouble.     

I don't care that much

he lost his job, career, reputation

how much more do you need to satisfy your outrage?

[24KT]

The thread is about Spitzer.  Just fyi. 

If you want to start a thread about the Bush Administration supporting prostitution rings then be my guest. 

If you want to engage me in your anti-American nonsense, I won't bite.   

I am well aware this thread is about Spitzer. I am trying to clarify or understand your thought processes.
The question posed to you his 'how do you reconcile this moral outrage you feel when it comes to witnessing the same type of hypocisy your decry in Spitzer, in the Bush administration? I want to know. do you not see this as hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused? It's a legitimate question. The only 'anti-american' aspect I see are those who would sit idley by while those in high places systematically destroy their country. Pointing out the mistake & crimes of those who hurt America is not anti-american, ...on the contrary, ...it is very pro-America.

...and FYI: The Bush Administration does not equal America.

[24KT]

I don't care that much

he lost his job, career, reputation

how much more do you need to satisfy your outrage?

I don't think he'd be satisfied until he got a pound of flesh (from below Spitzer's belt)

[Dos Equis]

I don't care that much

he lost his job, career, reputation

how much more do you need to satisfy your outrage?

And yet he is still in line to inherit his fathers half a billion dollar fortune.  [sniff sniff]  I don't really need anything to satisfy my outrage, other than time.  He will slink off into the sunset, become a footnote, and be replaced by the next hypocrite in a few months.  

But I would like to see him spend some time in prison.    

[Dos Equis]

I am well aware this thread is about Spitzer. I am trying to clarify or understand your thought processes.
The question posed to you his 'how do you reconcile this moral outrage you feel when it comes to witnessing the same type of hypocisy your decry in Spitzer, in the Bush administration? I want to know. do you not see this as hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused? It's a legitimate question. The only 'anti-american' aspect I see are those who would sit idley by while those in high places systematically destroy their country. Pointing out the mistake & crimes of those who hurt America is not anti-american, ...on the contrary, ...it is very pro-America.

...and FYI: The Bush Administration does not equal America.

I haven't witnessed "the same type of hypocrisy," so it's a dumb question. 

[OzmO]

I am well aware this thread is about Spitzer. I am trying to clarify or understand your thought processes.
The question posed to you his 'how do you reconcile this moral outrage you feel when it comes to witnessing the same type of hypocisy your decry in Spitzer, in the Bush administration? I want to know. do you not see this as hypocrisy on your part, ...or are you merely confused? It's a legitimate question. The only 'anti-american' aspect I see are those who would sit idley by while those in high places systematically destroy their country. Pointing out the mistake & crimes of those who hurt America is not anti-american, ...on the contrary, ...it is very pro-America.

...and FYI: The Bush Administration does not equal America.

He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it.  That's why asking him your question is stupid. 

Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.

[Straw Man]

He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it.  That's why asking him your question is stupid. 

Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.

which begets why even bother talking to this person?

[OzmO]

which begets why even bother talking to this person?

I disagree.

Because BB, constructs his arguments well if you are not in a insult match with him and because of that i learn how and why easily half the population of America sides with Bush.   BB, is a more of a practical conservative and not the traditional stupid brainwashed sort you find on this board from time to time.

[Dos Equis]

He doesn't recognize the a moral hypocrisies in the BUSH administration therefore he needs not reconcile it.  That's why asking him your question is stupid. 

Stick to the subject without playground spin attemps.

Precisely.