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Neocons ADMIT that "War On Terror" Is a Hoax
Key war on terror architect Douglas Feith has now confirmed Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Wesley Clark in admitting that the so-called War on Terror is a hoax.
In fact, starting right after 9/11 -- at the latest -- the goal has always been to create "regime change" and instability in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Somalia and Lebanon so as to protect Israel. And the goal was never really to destroy Al Qaeda.
As reported in a new article (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE07Ak01.html) in Asia Times:
Three weeks after the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld established an official military objective of not only removing the Saddam Hussein regime by force but overturning the regime in Iran, as well as in Syria and four other countries in the Middle East, according to a document quoted extensively in then-under secretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith's recently published account of the Iraq war decisions. Feith's account further indicates that this aggressive aim of remaking the map of the Middle East by military force and the threat of force was supported explicitly by the country's top military leaders.
Feith's book, War and Decision, released last month, provides excerpts of the paper Rumsfeld sent to President George W Bush on September 30, 2001, calling for the administration to focus not on taking down Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network but on the aim of establishing "new regimes" in a series of states...
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General Wesley Clark, who commanded the North Atlantic Treaty Organization bombing campaign in the Kosovo war, recalls in his 2003 book Winning Modern Wars being told by a friend in the Pentagon in November 2001 that the list of states that Rumsfeld and deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz wanted to take down included Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan and Somalia [and Lebanon].
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When this writer asked Feith . . . which of the six regimes on the Clark list were included in the Rumsfeld paper, he replied, "All of them."
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The Defense Department guidance document made it clear that US military aims in regard to those states would go well beyond any ties to terrorism. The document said the Defense Department would also seek to isolate and weaken those states and to "disrupt, damage or destroy" their military capacities - not necessarily limited to weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
Where does Israel come in?
Well, the Asia Times article continues:
Rumsfeld's paper was given to the White House only two weeks after Bush had approved a US military operation in Afghanistan directed against bin Laden and the Taliban regime. Despite that decision, Rumsfeld's proposal called explicitly for postponing indefinitely US airstrikes and the use of ground forces in support of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance in order to try to catch bin Laden.
Instead, the Rumsfeld paper argued that the US should target states that had supported anti-Israel forces such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
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After the bombing of two US embassies in East Africa [in 1988] by al-Qaeda operatives, State Department counter-terrorism official Michael Sheehan proposed supporting the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance in Afghanistan against bin Laden's sponsor, the Taliban regime. However, senior US military leaders "refused to consider it", according to a 2004 account by Richard H Shultz, Junior, a military specialist at Tufts University.
A senior officer on the Joint Staff told State Department counter-terrorism director Sheehan he had heard terrorist strikes characterized more than once by colleagues as a "small price to pay for being a superpower".
And if "terrorist strikes" were a "small price to pay for being a superpower"- and that is the reason that the U.S. government refused to disrupt the alleged planners of the 9/11 attacks - doesn't that add weight to the claim that the U.S. government intentionally allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur? In other words, doesn't this statement by a senior officer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff tend to prove that 9/11 was intentionally allowed to occur as the "New Pearl Harbor" which would allow America to act like "a superpower" and re-make the Middle East in its own (and Israel's) image?
This is not an unreasonable question, especially given that Feith, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and most of the other key architects of the "war on terror" were part of the Project for a New American Century and its plea for a "New Pearl Harbor" to justify expansion of American militarism and regime change in the Middle East.
And remember that many of the key members of PNAC and architects of the "war on terror" had previously created the "Clean Break" strategy for Israel, which called for a policy of war and regime change against Israel's enemies.
The war on terror was never intended to be about fighting terrorism. As even Newsweek (http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7292) has now admitted, the war on terror is a hoax.
George Washington
George Washington is a pen name. I am using the pen name, with the approval of the publisher, because I have received death threats due to my 9/11 research and writing. I am using a pen name to protect myself and my family.
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7292 (http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7292)
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what a hoax? Israel? This all seems so familiar, as though a few people have been saying this all along :D
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Gerorge Washington is a pen name because he says retarded shit.
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Stop BLAMING ISRAEL for this because that is what "Captain America", "Uncle Sam", and "Mr. Republican-American" wants the rest of us to do to see if you are or are not anti-semitic.
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Stop BLAMING ISRAEL for this because that is what "Captain America", "Uncle Sam", and "Mr. Republican-American" wants the rest of us to do to see if you are or are not anti-semitic.
fuck them, I'll tell them exactly what I am. Anti Zionist, YES...... Anti-Semitic NO and only a zionist would say they're one in the same thing.
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Documented facts can be posted on this board and the neo cons will still deny. Enjoy the food lines when all this hits you in the face... :-\
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Well, if the "ASIA Times" printed it!!!!! I think it was right next to Cosmo the last time I went for a haircut!
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Well, if the "ASIA Times" printed it!!!!! I think it was right next to Cosmo the last time I went for a haircut!
are you saying that the facts presented in the story are bullshit? If so, cool, list the errors... Forgive me for not getting on the "only shit aired on fox and cnn are worthy" bandwagon ::)
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are you saying that the facts presented in the story are bullshit? If so, cool, list the errors... Forgive me for not getting on the "only shit aired on fox and cnn are worthy" bandwagon ::)
No, no I apologize, the "ASIA Times" is well-reputed in journalistic circles (sarcasm intended). Coming next from the "News of the World" - "George W. Bush has Love Child with Martian, Laura to file for divorce!" Okay, point out where those facts are in error. Don't all the jounalism majors from Harvard strive to get hired by the "Asia Times"?
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No, no I apologize, the "ASIA Times" is well-reputed in journalistic circles (sarcasm intended). Coming next from the "News of the World" - "George W. Bush has Love Child with Martian, Laura to file for divorce!" Okay, point out where those facts are in error. DUMBASS. Don't all the jounalism majors from Harvard strive to get hired by the "Asia Times"?
are you saying you hold our current media giants in high regard... haha, because I fucking don't ;D I only asked if you diputed the testimony contained in the article. Is that a problem for you? I assumed you called bullshit on something based on.... actually... something? anything? please... enthrall us!!!...
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are you saying you hold our current media giants in high regard... haha, because I fucking don't ;D I only asked if you diputed the testimony contained in the article. Is that a problem for you? I assumed you called bullshit on something based on.... actually... something? anything? please... enthrall us!!!...
No, no, I must apologize, please tell us all the other gems that the major media missed that the ASIA Times picked up on (I am expecting something like "U.S. Moon Landing was a Hoax" something in a similar vein). I heard the Reverend Wright was going to be a guest columnist in the next issue, something about HIV being an invention of the U.S. Government.
By the way "testimony" are verbal statements given under OATH. Just though I would "enthrall" you with this little technical deficiency in your statement.
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No, no, I must apologize, please tell us all the other gems that the major media missed that the ASIA Times picked up on (I am expecting something like "U.S. Moon Landing was a Hoax" something in a similar vein). I heard the Reverend Wright was going to be a guest columnist in the next issue, something about HIV being an invention of the U.S. Government.
By the way "testimony" are verbal statements given under OATH. Just though I would "enthrall" you with this little technical deficiency in your statement.
wow, duplicate post... do you want me to delete this shit or what?
"The Almighty says 'Don't change the subject, just answer the fucking question.'"
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wow, duplicate post... do you want me to delete this shit or what?
"The Almighty says 'Don't change the subject, just answer the fucking question.'"
Sure, delete away if you want (by the way, this must be the hard part of being a Moderator, this guy is in my face, do I let him speak or do I find a justification to delete? Ahh... the weight of Power) , but let me address the substance:
The so-called "question" is FLAWED. First of all, it is not "testimony" such as would constitute "evidence" in support of "facts." (Please don't let me confuse you, I am a former U.S. Attorney and I realize this techincal jargon may be frightening to you) By the way, nothing is duplicative about this point.
Regardless, I will not address a point unreported in any reputable journalistic source. and only set forth in the ASIA Times. Nor will I recognize statements in Al Jazeera Sorry, nor will I address stories in The Globe or the Enquirer. Call it standards, now look in the mirror and say "Will I support any muckraker that supports my point or will I too have standards?"
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Sure, delete away if you want (by the way, this must be the hard part of being a Moderator, this guy is in my face, do I let him speak or do I find a justification to delete? Ahh... the weight of Power) , but let me address the substance:
The so-called "question" is FLAWED. First of all, it is not "testimony" such as would constitute "evidence" in support of "facts." (Please don't let me confuse you, I am a former U.S. Attorney and I realize this techincal jargon may be frightening to you) By the way, nothing is duplicative about this point.
Regardless, I will not address a point unreported in any reputable journalistic source. and only set forth in the ASIA Times. Nor will I recognize statements in Al Jazeera Sorry, nor will I address stories in The Globe or the Enquirer. Call it standards, now look in the mirror and say "Will I support any muckraker that supports my point or will I too have standards?"
So...Mr God. What are these reputable journal's that meet your limited and shallow veiws?
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So...Mr God. What are these reputable journal's that meet your limited and shallow veiws?
No, no, this is quite enlightening...tell me more about the latest breaking news from the "ASIAN Times"!!
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No, no, this is quite enlightening...tell me more about the latest breaking news from the "ASIAN Times"!!
Nice lil gimmick you are.
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Nice lil gimmick you are.
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Ahhh-soh
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lol. You're stealing my line. :D
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lol. You're stealing my line. :D
Sorry BB these lefty punks are sticking their chins out today. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Not much of a challenge, I'm going to turn in. Maybe somebody "of weight" will decide to turn up tomorrow.
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Sorry BB these lefty punks are sticking their chins out today. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Not much of a challenge, I'm going to turn in. Maybe somebody "of weight" will decide to turn up tomorrow.
Epic delusions.
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fuck them, I'll tell them exactly what I am. Anti Zionist, YES...... Anti-Semitic NO and only a zionist would say they're one in the same thing.
a zionist is a douchebag that lives in America but their loyalty lies in israel
they would see America destroy itself for israel..which we r doing
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Sorry BB these lefty punks are sticking their chins out today. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Not much of a challenge, I'm going to turn in. Maybe somebody "of weight" will decide to turn up tomorrow.
LOL... Oh brother... Real fucking hero arn't ya. Inturning for Bill O this summer :D
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So...Mr God. What are these reputable journal's that meet your limited and shallow veiws?
lol
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Sure, delete away if you want (by the way, this must be the hard part of being a Moderator, this guy is in my face, do I let him speak or do I find a justification to delete? Ahh... the weight of Power) , but let me address the substance:
The so-called "question" is FLAWED. First of all, it is not "testimony" such as would constitute "evidence" in support of "facts." (Please don't let me confuse you, I am a former U.S. Attorney and I realize this techincal jargon may be frightening to you) By the way, nothing is duplicative about this point.
Regardless, I will not address a point unreported in any reputable journalistic source. and only set forth in the ASIA Times. Nor will I recognize statements in Al Jazeera Sorry, nor will I address stories in The Globe or the Enquirer. Call it standards, now look in the mirror and say "Will I support any muckraker that supports my point or will I too have standards?"
I asked if you wanted it deleted out of curtesty because you did pretty much duplicate post. I thought I was talking to a broken record... funny shit there... Like pulling the string on a rambo doll ;D bla bla bla...
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I think 'hoax' is a word.
I know I'm going out on a limb there.
The US has been using its military and intelligence powers to shape foreign countries's politics for our business purposes for decades and decades--initiating coups, overthrowing governments, intimidating indigenous peoples, outright attacking foreign countries.
In this instance, the nominal War on Terror was shaped to interesect with countries that have nothing to do with 9/11 so that other interests could prosper.
That's why Iraq was invaded. There's no real debate about that anymore.
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This is ridiculous....more CT shit.
Sure some of the story is plausible ...Wes Clark..mister lets take Pritina Airport and get into a shooting war with Russia...he was forced to retire. Forget quoting that guy ever for anything.
Decker...we're not doing anything that anybody else isn't doing. We played our games and the Soviets player theirs. U should hope that we try the same in Iran instead of an all out shooting war
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I pointed out that the US has been doing this sort of business 'decades and decades'.
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
I have admired Gen. Butler a long time for pointing this out to me.
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Decker...we're not doing anything that anybody else isn't doing. We played our games and the Soviets player theirs. U should hope that we try the same in Iran instead of an all out shooting war
this is why I like HH6.
Brutal honesty how shit really works.
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many.
Isn't it possible that a few make fortunes, AND the masses benefit, in a far less capacity? (like, keeping dollar pegged in iraqi oil sales, and keeping bases in the region to pinkmist any country stupid enough (ahem...Iran) to drop the dollar and/or encourage others to do so?
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Isn't it possible that a few make fortunes, AND the masses benefit, in a far less capacity? (like, keeping dollar pegged in iraqi oil sales, and keeping bases in the region to pinkmist any country stupid enough (ahem...Iran) to drop the dollar and/or encourage others to do so?
Sometimes corporate interests intersect with the interests of Joe Lunchbucket. But that's purely incidental. The dynamic that this country was founded on, and still applies today, is that the 'right' people rule and benefit from the nation's resources, politics and workforce.
AS we saw in the 2000 election, democracy is windowdressing.
How do you like paying taxes to subsidize Big Oil and still pay $4 a gallon? I hope you didn't lose anyone to the Iraq war as well.
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War-Horse, Hugo, any reflections on your ownage?
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I pointed out that the US has been doing this sort of business 'decades and decades'.
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
All the more reason to cherish her racket, individual liberties and all. Rather live amongst a racket than a mud hut. Which one are you choosing?
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Decker...we're not doing anything that anybody else isn't doing. We played our games and the Soviets player theirs. U should hope that we try the same in Iran instead of an all out shooting war
Who is anybody else. I can name you over 200 military excursions initiated by the US.
The cold war is over. Who is "anybody else" that even comes close to the level of military interference the US has done?
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War-Horse, Hugo, any reflections on your ownage?
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Who is anybody else. I can name you over 200 military excursions initiated by the US.
The cold war is over. Who is "anybody else" that even comes close to the level of military interference the US has done?
yes thanks the cold war might have ended in 91, but a new war emerged, and this new imperialism, has it's place for the protection of America and Americans.
If not us who would you want this "anybody else" military excursions to be? Wake up this is life - You either rule or become ruled, "life is nasty, bruttish and short"
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If not us who would you want this "anybody else" military excursions to be? Wake up this is life - You either rule or become ruled, "life is nasty, bruttish and short"
correct.
if we weren't doing it right now, china or russia would be.
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Don't be coy! MidniteRambo lest your anus gaping!
All you could do is post ad hominem attacks :) hard being an idiot isn't it lad?
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Don't be coy! MidniteRambo lest your anus gaping!
All you could do is post ad hominem attacks :) hard being an idiot isn't it lad?
he is the one who couldn't answer a few simple questions. I feel good about the suppression fire we laid down against that bs ;D A story isn't bad because of the source, it's bad because it's wrong. Plus if you look at the state of our media, exactly where is the holy source of unbias and truth. Another question he couldn't answer.
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he is the one who couldn't answer a few simple questions. I feel good about the suppression fire we laid down against that bs ;D A story isn't bad because of the source, it's bad because it's wrong. Plus if you look at the state of our media, exactly where is the holy source of unbias and truth. Another question he couldn't answer.
Only when it suits! How rich! ::)
Don't be an hypocrite.
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Only when it suits! How rich! ::)
Don't be an hypocrite.
are you serious? You don't know me well because I've been the number one guy on here against people shooting down a story because of the source. I may make fun of Fox or Rush but I don't call bs because of the source. If questioned and I can't come up with why the story is bs, that's my bust and that's the way I've always felt about it. That's nothing more than I asked rambo to do. Sorry, I'm no hypocrite here, kind of shocked you would say that since I've more than once argued for information being brought here from all sources and not letting people get away with just righting off a source as invalid by default. We've had that argument here and I sided right where I'm at now.
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are you serious? You don't know me well because I've been the number one guy on here against people shooting down a story because of the source. I may make fun of Fox or Rush but I don't call bs because of the source. If questioned and I can't come up with why the story is bs, that's my bust and that's the way I've always felt about it. That's nothing more than I asked rambo to do. Sorry, I'm no hypocrite here, kind of shocked you would say that since I've more than once argued for information being brought here from all sources and not letting people get away with just righting off a source as invalid by default. We've had that argument here and I sided right where I'm at now.
OK, maybe I'm wrong about targeting you for that issue.
Apologies mate!
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OK, maybe I'm wrong about targeting you for that issue.
Apologies mate!
no problem bro :)
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All the more reason to cherish her racket, individual liberties and all. Rather live amongst a racket than a mud hut. Which one are you choosing?
Neither b/c you impose a false duality on the matter. How does Coca-cola's hiring of death squads to crush worker unionization in Guatemala force the US citizenry to live in mud huts?
How does the Iraq debacle help the average american?
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yes thanks the cold war might have ended in 91, but a new war emerged, and this new imperialism, has it's place for the protection of America and Americans.
If not us who would you want this "anybody else" military excursions to be? Wake up this is life - You either rule or become ruled, "life is nasty, bruttish and short"
The US cannot sustain imperial dreams economically or through our limited manpower.
How is the attack on Iraq protecting Americans?
Would you point out the US's competitors in rigging foreign politics/markets and conquering foreign countries?
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Don't be coy! MidniteRambo lest your anus gaping!
All you could do is post ad hominem attacks :) hard being an idiot isn't it lad?
He must have "attacked" when i wasnt here. He couldnt validate any topics when push came to shove. I never saw any ownings by that empty headed gimmick.
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The US cannot sustain imperial dreams economically or through our limited manpower.
How is the attack on Iraq protecting Americans?
Would you point out the US's competitors in rigging foreign politics/markets and conquering foreign countries?
Are you even an American? Or some Chalmers Johnson nutbag who thinks that third world countries actually know what benefits them most?
Quite obvious if you payed attention to the world arena of politics instead of just CNN, you would know that other countires are forming "new-new age imperliasm" tactics aimed at weakening America, and crushing the dollar. One example is India and Pakistan building a pipeline into India excluding all American contracts, and including Chinese contacts and Saidi Arabia. Pipeline is from mynamar, and is to later be mixed in with Iran oil, if Iraq oil is not possible.
Fill the chip in your shoulder.
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Are you even an American? Or some Chalmers Johnson nutbag who thinks that third world countries actually know what benefits them most?
Quite obvious if you payed attention to the world arena of politics instead of just CNN, you would know that other countires are forming "new-new age imperliasm" tactics aimed at weakening America, and crushing the dollar. One example is India and Pakistan building a pipeline into India excluding all American contracts, and including Chinese contacts and Saidi Arabia. Pipeline is from mynamar, and is to later be mixed in with Iran oil, if Iraq oil is not possible.
Fill the chip in your shoulder.
Yes I'm an american. I don't have cable TV so I can't watch CNN. So what is your proposal to handle the India/Pak pipeline?
Tough talking to India/Pakistan won't happen b/c they are both nuclear powers. Russia has an interest in Iran b/c it is building Iran's nuclear reactors and is supposed to provide fissible materials. The US better learn to play ball somehow b/c this pre-emptive bullshit isn't going to fly much longer.
The US has always operated under the assumption that what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine.
I think that's kind of crazy but that's me.
The world is becoming a much more complex and dangerous place with each passing year. The US cannot fight it's way into prosperity.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I'm just pointing out the futility of your hypercompetitive perspective.
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See you later youandme
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Of course some countries are targeting America. We are seen as an imperial Bully who has no common sense and is well hated on a grand scale.
Some countries dont want US involvement......Cant blame them there.
Youandme, you see we're making more enemies by the day,right??
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Of course some countries are targeting America. We are seen as an imperial Bully who has no common sense and is well hated on a grand scale.
Some countries dont want US involvement......Cant blame them there.
Youandme, you see we're making more enemies by the day,right??
True, US involvement normally involves the creation of successful peaceful nations like Japan and Germany, of course no islamic majority country ever desires that!
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True, US involvement normally involves the creation of successful peaceful nations like Japan and Germany, of course no islamic majority country ever desires that!
Yes. Iraq is a current example of our amazingness.
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Yes. Iraq is a current example of our amazingness.
If in 20 years Iraq becomes a major world player due to the strategic insight of the UK and US, what will you say?
Out of curiosity...
How long did it take for Germany / Japan to bounce back?
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If in 20 years Iraq becomes a major world player due to the strategic insight of the UK and US, what will you say?
Out of curiosity...
How long did it take for Germany / Japan to bounce back?
lol... very interesting perspective... iraq is going to be one rich sumbitch in 5 years. hell, they have a 30 bil surplus now amid daily bombings.
and it's all in dollars baby. Euros not welcome!
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lol... very interesting perspective... iraq is going to be one rich sumbitch in 5 years. hell, they have a 30 bil surplus now amid daily bombings.
and it's all in dollars baby. Euros not welcome!
It's not my perspective.
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Of course some countries are targeting America. We are seen as an imperial Bully who has no common sense and is well hated on a grand scale.
Some countries dont want US involvement......Cant blame them there.
Youandme, you see we're making more enemies by the day,right??
Yes, we are, but the Britain population before the Industrial Revolution were saying the exact same thing "wow, we have taken over how many countries, we are the richest, we have alot of enemies, the french are blocking are ports and the Rhinelands are not sending us grain any more, were fucked"
But they were not, because the only way other countries could survive was by working together and allowing Britain what they wanted (natural resources) in exchange for information (technology, spinning jenny, etc.)
What we as Americans do, is vote in the most applicable representatives that know how to do what Americans do best - litigate-
What we are doing now is nothing more than a stalemate, since we have too much on our plate, but that will change once we are tired of this armament phase.
India, is not a problem, the emigration over the the US is !!!! Too much too fast, making US dollars and sending it out of the country.
How long did it take for Germany / Japan to bounce back?
From WWII?
Took quite a long time, Germany never fully recovered because Wessley Clarke was not able to have hands on approach he wanted to, and we made too much money hiring US workers to do the work instead of German workers, but sometimes it changed depending on the contractor.
Japan same situation.
Germany however after WWI bounced back more than any other country after a depression with 4 years Hitler took 6 the unemployeed rate that was 6 million down to 5ook within 4 years.
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Yes I'm an american. I don't have cable TV so I can't watch CNN. So what is your proposal to handle the India/Pak pipeline?
Tough talking to India/Pakistan won't happen b/c they are both nuclear powers. Russia has an interest in Iran b/c it is building Iran's nuclear reactors and is supposed to provide fissible materials. The US better learn to play ball somehow b/c this pre-emptive bullshit isn't going to fly much longer.
The US has always operated under the assumption that what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine.
I think that's kind of crazy but that's me.
The world is becoming a much more complex and dangerous place with each passing year. The US cannot fight it's way into prosperity.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I'm just pointing out the futility of your hypercompetitive perspective.
I quit watching TV sometime ago myself.
Well we really have no chip to throw into the pile right now, we let pakistan slip away, we gave them their democratic process and they used it against us, we are still fueling them with aid money and have them under the "helper nations against terror" while they don't help, and that funding for food and "help" needs to be cut off, just as the Brits did with Germany to get them on track after WWI.
Iran, any country that works with Iran should have some stiff import tariffs imposed, USA holds this globe together, just as we saw in 1929 the US helps between 1/5th to 2/3rds of all countries GDP in some way or another (that number is higher considering the money we give some countries)
The world is dangerous, believe it or not the US makes it much much much more safer. We police because we must, without the US we migh all be in the Gulags, Reagan did not just prey off fear/enemy votes, but a true threat (economics and freedome, economics is freedom)
What is one countries 'resource' is ours! We are not the debtor nation, THEY are we are the financier just as France Britain, and the Holland were in the 16th-17th century. We give countries money to build, we must take in return, they fall behind and they default, they fall behind because of inner corruption. Russia 1985 saw this problem Mikhail Gorbachev saw this but it was too late, glasnot did not work and they crumbled. Only problem is they crumbled from within, we are allowing countries to default and nowadays shrug it off just because some contractors that worked with the banks got their cut, and billed uncle sam and the tax payers the loss.
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If in 20 years Iraq becomes a major world player due to the strategic insight of the UK and US, what will you say?
Out of curiosity...
How long did it take for Germany / Japan to bounce back?
The deep rooted sect's are what make Iraq different. Sunnis, shias and kurds will always be up rising for every election. And there ia different kind of "Uprising" as in gihads... :-\
They are pissed like 5 yr olds that watch each others portions of dessert......."hey thats not fair"!!! ;D
We want our share in the congress or whatever. And even then the radicals and neighbors will be shit stirring the pot.
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Sure, delete away if you want (by the way, this must be the hard part of being a Moderator, this guy is in my face, do I let him speak or do I find a justification to delete? Ahh... the weight of Power) , but let me address the substance:
The so-called "question" is FLAWED. First of all, it is not "testimony" such as would constitute "evidence" in support of "facts." (Please don't let me confuse you, I am a former U.S. Attorney and I realize this techincal jargon may be frightening to you) By the way, nothing is duplicative about this point.
Regardless, I will not address a point unreported in any reputable journalistic source. and only set forth in the ASIA Times. Nor will I recognize statements in Al Jazeera Sorry, nor will I address stories in The Globe or the Enquirer. Call it standards, now look in the mirror and say "Will I support any muckraker that supports my point or will I too have standards?"
Being a master litigator, only means you are a master of convincing someone that a car is black when indeed it is green...Your powers of persuasion may work in some courtroom with granny in the jury but it does not fly here....
There is no innocent or guilty, only the crimes committed and those punished for them....
Hugo makes some valid points and asked a good question, but you clouded the issue...
Your view of any other type of media press other then the big conglomerates like FOX, and CNN is a cocky one much like those that are die hard Ford fans versus Toyota fans...The cockiness bleeds into making the argument that indeed Toyota makes a better product seem stupid because who can compete with such blind patriotism....
Those "true" patriots get fed shit from a cow, and say, "This shit tastes good, may i have some more please?".
I do not know of the reputation of the Asia Times, and may comment on that later...Do you know of their reputation? Or you making a blind assumption behind your skills with argument to make someone look stupid?
To comment on the cover ups, the conspiracies is not a leftist point a view...It is the view of someone seeing right from wrong and wanting justice....Labeling such stances as either left or right takes away from the seriousness of the issues discussed and make them sound trivial, when they are indeed, very serious...
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Being a master litigator, only means you are a master of convincing someone that a car is black when indeed it is green...Your powers of persuasion may work in some courtroom with granny in the jury but it does not fly here....
There is no innocent or guilty, only the crimes committed and those punished for them....
Hugo makes some valid points and asked a good question, but you clouded the issue...
Your view of any other type of media press other then the big conglomerates like FOX, and CNN is a cocky one much like those that are die hard Ford fans versus Toyota fans...The cockiness bleeds into making the argument that indeed Toyota makes a better product seem stupid because who can compete with such blind patriotism....
Those "true" patriots get fed shit from a cow, and say, "This shit tastes good, may i have some more please?".
I do not know of the reputation of the Asia Times, and may comment on that later...Do you know of their reputation? Or you making a blind assumption behind your skills with argument to make someone look stupid?
To comment on the cover ups, the conspiracies is not a leftist point a view...It is the view of someone seeing right from wrong and wanting justice....Labeling such stances as either left or right takes away from the seriousness of the issues discussed and make them sound trivial, when they are indeed, very serious...
nice post, this one post should be stickied in a seperate thread for everyone to read.
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It's not my perspective.
they have a $30 to $40B surplus, while in the middle of a civil war.
Their pipeline is blown up every other week, their police can't stop death squads, and their people are dumber than a bag of shit.
Yet their economy is in a $40B surplus while ours (US) is now in a $1 Trillion per year deficit.
Where, in 5 years, do you see the US and iraq?
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Being a master litigator, only means you are a master of convincing someone that a car is black when indeed it is green...Your powers of persuasion may work in some courtroom with granny in the jury but it does not fly here....
There is no innocent or guilty, only the crimes committed and those punished for them....
Hugo makes some valid points and asked a good question, but you clouded the issue...
Your view of any other type of media press other then the big conglomerates like FOX, and CNN is a cocky one much like those that are die hard Ford fans versus Toyota fans...The cockiness bleeds into making the argument that indeed Toyota makes a better product seem stupid because who can compete with such blind patriotism....
Those "true" patriots get fed shit from a cow, and say, "This shit tastes good, may i have some more please?".
I do not know of the reputation of the Asia Times, and may comment on that later...Do you know of their reputation? Or you making a blind assumption behind your skills with argument to make someone look stupid?
To comment on the cover ups, the conspiracies is not a leftist point a view...It is the view of someone seeing right from wrong and wanting justice....Labeling such stances as either left or right takes away from the seriousness of the issues discussed and make them sound trivial, when they are indeed, very serious...
Good points Bebop. This "midnitebimbo" is a gimmick who started out okay but quickly fizzled to stupidity when asked how he supports his veiws or destructs anothers.
Its a convienent airheaded excuse to just say "This journal is garbage" ......if you dont know. Anyone around this board knows that to get the truth on a subject of World matters you have to go out of the USA for the most part.
The propaganda media are unbelievable in this country.
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The deep rooted sect's are what make Iraq different. Sunnis, shias and kurds will always be up rising for every election. And there ia different kind of "Uprising" as in gihads... :-\
They are pissed like 5 yr olds that watch each others portions of dessert......."hey thats not fair"!!! ;D
We want our share in the congress or whatever. And even then the radicals and neighbors will be shit stirring the pot.
What about the divide in East/West Germany?
Surely a comparable destructive force.
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I quit watching TV sometime ago myself.
Good man. I have to watch football but everything else is dead to me.
Well we really have no chip to throw into the pile right now, we let pakistan slip away, we gave them their democratic process and they used it against us, we are still fueling them with aid money and have them under the "helper nations against terror" while they don't help, and that funding for food and "help" needs to be cut off, just as the Brits did with Germany to get them on track after WWI.
Pakistan is arguably a supporter of terrorism. I think you are smart for emphasizing the economic approach to negotiation policy. Sanctions and coalitions can be effective. They don't have the theatrics of armed invasions, but they work if done right.
Iran, any country that works with Iran should have some stiff import tariffs imposed, USA holds this globe together, just as we saw in 1929 the US helps between 1/5th to 2/3rds of all countries GDP in some way or another (that number is higher considering the money we give some countries)
Are you referring to foreign aid? We also helped install the Shah and his deathsquads in IRan. Sometimes people have a funny way of carrying a grudge when their government is overthrown.
The world is dangerous, believe it or not the US makes it much much much more safer. We police because we must, without the US we migh all be in the Gulags, Reagan did not just prey off fear/enemy votes, but a true threat (economics and freedome, economics is freedom)
I am happy with 'speak softly but carry a big stick' except I don't see how Reagan's funding of death squads in Nicaragua, El Salvador, or Guatemala or invading Grenada or treasonously trading arms with Iran has made the US safer.
What is one countries 'resource' is ours! We are not the debtor nation, THEY are we are the financier just as France Britain, and the Holland were in the 16th-17th century. We give countries money to build, we must take in return, they fall behind and they default, they fall behind because of inner corruption. Russia 1985 saw this problem Mikhail Gorbachev saw this but it was too late, glasnot did not work and they crumbled. Only problem is they crumbled from within, we are allowing countries to default and nowadays shrug it off just because some contractors that worked with the banks got their cut, and billed uncle sam and the tax payers the loss.
I think, at least in terms of accounting, the US is a debtor nation today. We are 9 trillion in the hole with huge deficits. Our foreign aid, like our domestic tax cuts, is illusion b/c it is predicated on debt financing.
I do agree with your assessment of loan/debt forgiveness by the US.
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we've given pakistan billions of dollars, free reign, technology, intel, weapons, and who knows what else, for the last 6 years.
what have we gained? nothing. osama still runs free. Bush isn't concerned with catching the guy who did 911. isn't that odd? ;)
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we've given pakistan billions of dollars, free reign, technology, intel, weapons, and who knows what else, for the last 6 years.
what have we gained? nothing. osama still runs free. Bush isn't concerned with catching the guy who did 911. isn't that odd? ;)
That it is sir.
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Good man. I have to watch football but everything else is dead to me.
I'm looking into IP TV.
Cable keeps going up, and with what is on television these days not reall worth it.
Has anyone tried it?
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I'm looking into IP TV.
Cable keeps going up, and with what is on television these days not reall worth it.
Has anyone tried it?
I'm staying with 'free tv' as long as I can. That'll probably end the day that the NFL sells out wholesale to ESPN the way MNF did.
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That it is sir.
Remember the top paki general who wired $100k to Atta, 4 days before 9/11?
For some reason CNN and CSPAN showed it, but the white house transcripts didn't show that sentence when the 911 commission got it.
he retired shortly after 911. But he had breakfast with porter Goss on 911. Weird.
Nobody knows what the paki connection to 911 was. But we do know they sent 100k then met with our future intel chief during the attacks. weird, huh?
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I do remember reading that about the $100k.
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Remember the top paki general who wired $100k to Atta, 4 days before 9/11?
For some reason CNN and CSPAN showed it, but the white house transcripts didn't show that sentence when the 911 commission got it.
he retired shortly after 911. But he had breakfast with porter Goss on 911. Weird.
Nobody knows what the paki connection to 911 was. But we do know they sent 100k then met with our future intel chief during the attacks. weird, huh?
I learn alot from 240s posts. I will add this to my arsenal. 8)