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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 05:51:44 PM
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up untill a few workouts ago i never went heay on upright rows. about 4 weeks ago i felt strong and was super pumped so i decided to use the olympic bar and plates for upright rows.
normally if i do them i use the pre loaded bars and would go much over 100-110 lbs.
now, a couple workouts into doing heavy upright rows, i am easily doing high rep sets with 185 on the bar. is this good amount of weight? i never see anybody in the gym doing upright rows so i have no idea how much weight guys use.
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185lbs.....seems pretty good. The most i ever do is 120 (pre loaded bars) but i do them with a wide grip. I dunno if that would affect the weight you are able to handle. Also i use pretty controlled from, so not too much swinging and jerking them up. Just seems like an exercise that i feel using loose form could be somewhat dangerous...
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thats the way i always felt. but i use strict form, with grip a little wider than my shoulders. with that weight its tough on the eccentrric but pretty easy on the way up
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Don't do them, they feel weird in my shoulders. :-\
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i've never seen anyone use more than 135 without it being pretty much a hang clean.
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i've never seen anyone use more than 135 without it being pretty much a hang clean.
define hang clean ?
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I rarely go above 315 ;D
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I rarely go above 315 ;D
Must get tough rolling that around the parking lot.
Seriously, I've tried them with a cambered bar as well as straight bar, straight bar screws with my wrists, cambered bar feels weird in my shoulders. I just stick with shrugs (db and BB, to the front and the sides, sometimes behind) and these weird shrugs that you pull the dumbells straight up your sides, works the traps and rear delts.
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Must get tough rolling that around the parking lot.
Seriously, I've tried them with a cambered bar as well as straight bar, straight bar screws with my wrists, cambered bar feels weird in my shoulders. I just stick with shrugs (db and BB, to the front and the sides, sometimes behind) and these weird shrugs that you pull the dumbells straight up your sides, works the traps and rear delts.
Try them with DB's, better ROM and easy on the wrists.
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Try them with DB's, better ROM and easy on the wrists.
Is that your gym ???
What's the advantage to doing upright rows? vs shrugs of various styles.
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Try them with DB's, better ROM and easy on the wrists.
I like doing them on the low pulley with a rope. Even better range of motion!! :)
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180+ is VERY strong.... especially if you use a wide grip... almost unbelievable if you have a fragile structure.
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20% more than any of you on any given day
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Appears that Candi is doing Hi-pulls rather than upright rows. Novice BB'ers tend to get these two mixed up. Can use much more weight with the wider grip Hi-pull version (185 for him....250 plus for more experienced lifters), but can only go about as high as the lower/mid chest.
The classic Up-right row will call upon a narrower grip and a pull ending near the upper chest or under the chin. It can also affect the biceps more strongly. If pulling the bar too far forward, while pulling up, (out and away from the body) on either lift, than unnatural stress is put on the shoulder joints. Can be the cause of injury because a lot of guy's just do the exercise wrong in the first place.
Up-rights and Hi-pulls are two of my favorite exercises. I prefer the one arm at a time when using a DB. Can brace myself better, with the free hand, when heavier DB's are used. And as suggest by The Coach, easier on the wrist/elbows/joints overall. Main reason that a majority of trainee's prefer the EZ bar. The Olympic style EZ bar is better balanced and smoother than most regular exercise bars. Vince G. had a version of a 90 degree Hi-pull which worked the lateral head of the delts very well. Good Luck.
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Is that your gym ???
What's the advantage to doing upright rows? vs shrugs of various styles.
Upright rows go deeper in the sub-scapular giving added stability and strength to the shoulder girdle, also effects the erector spinae to a certain degree simply because it come into play in the rowing motion.
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no i go all the way up as high as i can and i use good form. its an upright row. not a "hi pull" or whatever a "hang clean" is
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no i go all the way up as high as i can and i use good form. its an upright row. not a "hi pull" or whatever a "hang clean" is
Gayer than doing upright rows with a goosed shoulder
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If you are using a grip wider than shoulder width, it's called a hi pull.
Upright rows are a narrow grip exercise.
I do upright rows with my hands about 12-14" apart, i do sets of 15 with 155 at the most, as i value my shoulders these days.
I've seen a man do legit 225 upright rows for 15 reps at my gym.
8)
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i should correct myself. i've seen ONE dude use 185 for upright rows, and he's a guy that shoulder presses 315 for a few reps and benches in the 400s. anyone else of mere mortal size that goes above 135 is 99% likely to be doing it with a lot of body english.
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i should correct myself. i've seen ONE dude use 185 for upright rows, and he's a guy that shoulder presses 315 for a few reps and benches in the 400s. anyone else of mere mortal size that goes above 135 is 99% likely to be doing it with a lot of body english.
I agree... Tank Abott, who is naturally a beast, used 315 with superloose form.
Johnny Jackson, who claims to be able to upright row 405, struggled with one plate on each side in BFTO.
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so what im hearing is that 185 is alot more than most guys use..
i figured as much
my shoulders have always been strong muscles
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no joke candi, i would love to see that on video. i find upright rows to be damn impressive when done heavy. it's like seeing one of those rare freaks that uses heavy-ass DBs on side raises. if you could toss up a clip of it, that'd be cool as hell.
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i think my cell phone does videos. ill see what i can do next shoulder day
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i think my cell phone does videos. ill see what i can do next shoulder day
Translation = everyone will forget about my bullshit claim so I never have to post anything...
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Translation = everyone will forget about my bullshit claim so I never have to post anything...
Gayer than having a name IAMTHEGAME - Candidizzle may be a lot of things but he does not have a problem telling the truth
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Gayer than having a name IAMTHEGAME - Candidizzle may be a lot of things but he does not have a problem telling the truth
...and you know this how, because you and him have become so close to him on an internet chat board...
Gayer than sticking up for your Gay buddy...
Until video is posted I call bullshit...
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...and you know this how, because you and him have become so close to him on an internet chat board...
Gayer than sticking up for your Gay buddy...
Until video is posted I call bullshit...
Gayer than having 7 posts, gayer that calling bullshit (epic gimmick account) Gayer than calling someone gay
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Gayer than having 7 posts, gayer that calling bullshit (epic gimmick account) Gayer than calling someone gay
Gayer than Gay being the first word out of your mouth in a response...
Gayer to stick to the Gay references instead of proving your boy right or wrong...
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Gayer than Gay being the first word out of your mouth in a response...
Gayer to stick to the Gay references instead of proving your boy right or wrong...
Gayer than meltdown
Gayer than thinking gay is a way of insulting someone
Gayer than having a stupid name...IAMTHEGAME - enjoy wrestling
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Gayer than meltdown
Gayer than thinking gay is a way of insulting someone
Gayer than having a stupid name...IAMTHEGAME - enjoy wrestling
Gayer than the fact that you knew it was wrestling and still tried to cap on it...
Gayer than not knowing that Gay people may take offense and it is an insult...
Gayer than melting down over your Gay Boyfriend...LOL
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this gimmick account has all of about 10 posts and every one of them is dedicated to me donny. i wouldnt worry about it.
oh, thanks for defending my truthfullness !! LOL
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95 :(
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this gimmick account has all of about 10 posts and every one of them is dedicated to me donny. i wouldnt worry about it.
oh, thanks for defending my truthfullness !! LOL
So does that mean you will or you wont post a video of you doing uprights with 185????????????????????
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So does that mean you will or you wont post a video of you doing uprights with 185????????????????????
depends on how good i look in the video :P
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depends on how good i look in the video :P
dude, fuck "how good" you look. you've got a thousand pictures floating around. if i was all concerned about how great i looked in my videos i wouldn't have uploaded any. ::)
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maybe i am saying that if i look too big i wont post it ? you never thought of the fact that i wouldnt want people to call me "all drugs", or say anything to discredit my passion love and dedication to this lifestyle called bodybuilding?
maybe i prefer for people to just know that i am passionate and love this. regardless of what they think i look like.
i dont train for other people ! I TRAIN FOR MYSELF. ;)
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I agree with webcke and chaos, they feel weird and it seems like an exercise you could easily hurt yourself doing. I think I actually did tweak my neck or back doing them a long time ago.
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Since this thread has gone off in the negative direction...I'll bring it back & give a serious answer. ;)
I use between 75-150 pounds for upright rows. I know it's not a lot but when I train shoulders/back I tend to use a 15-30 rep range. I've also found that over 150 pounds causes my form to stray too much (a little rockin ').
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maybe i am saying that if i look too big i wont post it ? you never thought of the fact that i wouldnt want people to call me "all drugs", or say anything to discredit my passion love and dedication to this lifestyle called bodybuilding?
maybe i prefer for people to just know that i am passionate and love this. regardless of what they think i look like.
i dont train for other people ! I TRAIN FOR MYSELF. ;)
Didn't Drago say something similiar in Rocky 4...I fight for me...LOL
Take the video and post it or shut the fuck up
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maybe i am saying that if i look too big i wont post it ? you never thought of the fact that i wouldnt want people to call me "all drugs", or say anything to discredit my passion love and dedication to this lifestyle called bodybuilding?
maybe i prefer for people to just know that i am passionate and love this. regardless of what they think i look like.
i dont train for other people ! I TRAIN FOR MYSELF. ;)
...riiiiiiight.
the only reason you don't want people to call "all drugs" is because you obviously are all drugs.
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maybe i am saying that if i look too big i wont post it ? you never thought of the fact that i wouldnt want people to call me "all drugs", or say anything to discredit my passion love and dedication to this lifestyle called bodybuilding?
maybe i prefer for people to just know that i am passionate and love this. regardless of what they think i look like.
i dont train for other people ! I TRAIN FOR MYSELF. ;)
you use steroids, so as far as I'm concerned you are a cheater, someone who doesn't have the balls to do it naturally and has to take drugs, you ARE all drugs bro, and I bet I still look better than you, eventhough I have never taken roids and have only been doing it for 7 months
::) so why don't you just stick another needle in your ass ::)
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hahah ;D gotta love getbig
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hahah ;D gotta love getbig
Post some pics and own these bitches Candi!
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Post some pics and own these bitches Candi!
show them my abcess' and gyno and bloated cheeks and backne ???? :D :D :D
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show them my abcess' and gyno and bloated cheeks and backne ???? :D :D :D
You have all those things? I thought you were serious about looking good? :(
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You have all those things? I thought you were serious about looking good? :(
i was just playing off the "all drugs" thing.. ;D
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i was just playing off the "all drugs" thing.. ;D
I have never met anyone who spends as much time talking about training and nutrition as you and is too scared to post a pic. What gives?
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I have never met anyone who spends as much time talking about training and nutrition as you and is too scared to post a pic. What gives?
scared ?
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scared ?
Of what? Most the people(sans the Y boarders of course) who post here are pathetic losers. Fuck em.
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Of what? Most the people(sans the Y boarders of course) who post here are pathetic losers. Fuck em.
yes, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO POST HERE
fuck em
they are stupid and look like shit and are haterz
but those WHO DONT POST
.. :)
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yes, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO POST HERE
fuck em
they are stupid and look like shit and are haterz
but those WHO DONT POST
.. :)
Most people here are jealous of you, I agree. You are smarter and better built than 99% of Getbiggers(excluding Y boarders of course).
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135
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lol ;D
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this gimmick account has all of about 10 posts and every one of them is dedicated to me donny. i wouldnt worry about it.
oh, thanks for defending my truthfullness !! LOL
No worries dude...I'm all for unprovoked bashing but a gimmick with 10 posts all about you is ridiculous...maybe he shat himself when he read 185lb upright rows
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No worries dude...I'm all for unprovoked bashing but a gimmick with 10 posts all about you is ridiculous...maybe he shat himself when he read 185lb upright rows
RHETORIC RHETORIC RHETORIC...
Post a video or it never happened....
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I have never met anyone who spends as much time talking about training and nutrition as you and is too scared to post a pic. What gives?
We have had this convo with candi a hundred times......I think his whole "I'm on steroids" is a plea for attention and he has taken his physique back to the days of posing on his friends motorcycle.
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We have had this convo with candi a hundred times......I think his whole "I'm on steroids" is a plea for attention and he has taken his physique back to the days of posing on his friends motorcycle.
dude i already told you you are right, i dont take steroids. never have never will. i like to learn about them because it interests me. i dont want any attention however.
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Ok for ONE more serious answer to this thread
If im going for higher reps ( 10-12 ) I use about 90-110
For lower reps 4-6 i use 135-155
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Max was 90lbs for me
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narrow grip for traps?
wider grip for side delts?
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last time.. 225 but it's been awhile
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last time.. 225 but it's been awhile
damn , nice weight dude !
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damn , nice weight dude !
not to my chin though..i kept it between my navel and my nipple line with a wider grip..closer hurts my shoulders. :-\ :(
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not to my chin though..i kept it between my navel and my nipple line with a wider grip..closer hurts my shoulders. :-\ :(
That is the point we are trying to teach little Candi Ass here...He says he does 185 to his chin and does not use body english...and I call bullshit, and am still waiting for the video...
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i do 135 for 10-12 reps on my set. Go as heavy as you can
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That is the point we are trying to teach little Candi Ass here...He says he does 185 to his chin and does not use body english...and I call bullshit, and am still waiting for the video...
lol... trust me..once you hit a certain weight..it's impossible to not use SOME body english. Just gotta minimize it as much as possible. 185 to your chin is a big bastard.
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If you are using a grip wider than shoulder width, it's called a hi pull.
Upright rows are a narrow grip exercise.
I do upright rows with my hands about 12-14" apart, i do sets of 15 with 155 at the most, as i value my shoulders these days.
I've seen a man do legit 225 upright rows for 15 reps at my gym.
8)
A high pull is an OL variant. A wide grip upright row is simply that. It places emphasis on the medial deltod versus a trap emphasis on the narrow grip upright row.
Jason
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That is the point we are trying to teach little Candi Ass here...He says he does 185 to his chin and does not use body english...and I call bullshit, and am still waiting for the video...
In the words of Dirty ol' Bastard - Shut the fuck up
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In the words of Dirty ol' Bastard - Shut the fuck up
WoW...Not just a Meltdown, but a stupid one...Good Job there Bunky...
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WoW...Not just a Meltdown, but a stupid one...Good Job there Bunky...
::) yes a meltdown of epic proportions!!
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::) yes a meltdown of epic proportions!!
Since you have nothing else to add to the conversation/argument that is all you have left to offer...
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Since you have nothing else to add to the conversation/argument that is all you have left to offer...
Congratulations...consider myself and candidizzle owned....you are some sort of genius. ::)
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Congratulations...consider myself and candidizzle owned....you are some sort of genius. ::)
Melting down for you and him...Epic...
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I highly doubt you dont use 185 on upright rows
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terrible exersize and totaly unnecessary, ranks along side behind the neck press as one of the ultimate shouldrer wreckers,,, u fuck your shoulders doin 'safe ' exersizes,, dont be silly lads
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terrible exersize and totaly unnecessary, ranks along side behind the neck press as one of the ultimate shouldrer wreckers,,, u fuck your shoulders doin 'safe ' exersizes,, dont be silly lads
well i agree behind neck press can be dangerous if your going heavy and your going all the way to the traps. but as long as you stop at the ears and dont lock out there shouldnt be any morries.
and i dotn see a reaosn why upright rows would be at all dangerous as long as your using decent form
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maybe i prefer for people to just know that i am passionate and love this. regardless of what they think i look like.
I'd be lying if I said I did'nt get a little teary eyed when I read this
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i just find all u realy need is a side lateral movement, a rear lateral movement and some kind of press,,, build your traps with heavy shrugs and indirectly with even heavier deadlifts
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i just find all u realy need is a side lateral movement, a rear lateral movement and some kind of press,,, build your traps with heavy shrugs and indirectly with even heavier deadlifts
Bullshit! ;D I pull ~700lbs from the floor and have shit for traps! It seems to work for everyone else though. ??? >:(
Jason
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Bullshit! ;D I pull ~700lbs from the floor and have shit for traps! It seems to work for everyone else though. ??? >:(
Jason
my traps respnnd super well to shrugs on those bench press machine where you load plates onto each side...its like a laying down hamer strength bench press...each hand has its own handle and own plates... you know which one im talking about???.. i stand and use that for traps... that works awesome.. i actually go to a different gym and shoulder day just so i can use this machine for traps because it works so well..
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my traps respnnd super well to shrugs on those bench press machine where you load plates onto each side...its like a laying down hamer strength bench press...each hand has its own handle and own plates... you know which one im talking about???.. i stand and use that for traps... that works awesome.. i actually go to a different gym and shoulder day just so i can use this machine for traps because it works so well..
Is that before or after you took/take the video of you upright rowing 185 to your chin without using momentum...
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i used to love repping out on the old universal bench press machine, the old ones where u had 4 stations.... was a great way to finish your traps off
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Tried some shrugs on hammer BP machine-nice angle-thanx for info
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food for thought. try using the smith machine for shrugs. walk forward with ur feet and lean back when u do ur shrugs makes a huge difference.
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define hang clean ?
lol ;D
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olympic bar qith a 45 and a 25 on each side.. is the heaviest i go to
but usually its a 45 each side
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115-135 lbs. I find the upright a row to be excellent for supersets on shoulder days. A wider grip will keep it from being so rough and grinding on your the RC ligamaments.