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“Americans Won’t Pick Lettuce for $50/hr”
He says we need all these illegal immigrants because Americans "arent willing to pick lettuce for 50$ an hour"
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WOW.
let's see $50 an hour for 8 hours is $400 a day......7 days is.........$2800 a week........hmmmmm
That;s 100k+ a year.
This pandering cheating whore is an idiot.
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As soon as she's old enough, I'm sending my kid to work on a farm and she'll be lucky to get $50 a day. That's what I used to make in a week of hard labor!
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“Americans Won’t Pick Lettuce for $50/hr”
He says we need all these illegal immigrants because Americans "arent willing to pick lettuce for 50$ an hour"
Uhmm yeah...
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he's done... He just showed how out of touch he is. Is this new? he thinks Americans won't pick lettuce for 50 bucks an hours... WOOOOOW... did he just say he would pay them that wage if they stay the whole season?... God, he really fucked himself with this... What an idiot jackass.
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I've just replayed this like 10 times, sure that I must have heard him wrong... lol... I just can't stop listening to this delusional crap... This guy wants to be president? and he's that out of touch with normal Joe America. I mean really, WOOOOW!!!
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How long before some nippy ho comes in here are starts talking about 57 states? :D
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yeah, I think just about ANY American would pick lettuce for $104,000 per year.
Also recall that he had no clue what gas cost. He needed to check his notes to see that milk was $4 per gallon. He thinks $5 mil income is "rich". He doesn't know how many homes he owns. His finance team thinke the recession is "all in our heads" and the 41% devaluation of the dollar over the last 8 years is normal.
He has no clue what most folks go thru, or the economic times we're facing.
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yeah, I think just about ANY American would pick lettuce for $104,000 per year.
Also recall that he had no clue what gas cost. He needed to check his notes to see that milk was $4 per gallon. He thinks $5 mil income is "rich". He doesn't know how many homes he owns. His finance team thinke the recession is "all in our heads" and the 41% devaluation of the dollar over the last 8 years is normal.
He has no clue what most folks go thru, or the economic times we're facing.
He's also an adulterer who hates Gooks.
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Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 7:01 PM
I was defending John McCain on the show today --really-- and challenged as "urban myth" the story that he had declared that Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for $50 an hour.
Well, I stand corrected. Here's the story:
As he steered his Straight Talk Express across the United States in recent weeks, Republican Sen. John McCain has tried to stay a-head of the immigration issue. But Friday the immigration issue delivered 36 or so heads to his Phoenix office — heads of lettuce, that is.
McCain has been getting skewered in the media for comments earlier this month to a union group in Washington, D.C., that immigrants are taking jobs no one else wants, and offered them $50 an hour to pick lettuce in the Arizona sun for a summer, suggesting they couldn't do it.
The senator didn't stick around long enough to process any applications, despite several offers to take him up on his offer from the audience.
So Friday more than three dozen demonstrators showed up at his office, many carrying lettuce picker applications in one hand, and a head of lettuce in the other to show they could do the job.
He said this to a union group? LOLOLOLOL...
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The resounding boos were very obvious there.
If video emerges on this one... it could be big.
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McCain's message to the working class. "you can't do it my friend!" wow...
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yeah, I think just about ANY American would pick lettuce for $104,000 per year.
I def. would...if there were no spiders.
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I def. would...if there were no spiders.
the southwest lettuce spider is one of the most deadly spiders :D jk There are scorpions and lizards but probably not a lot of insects in those fields. plenty of pesticides.
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how about the black widow?
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I def. would...if there were no spiders.
Awesome calorie burner and bettter than deadlifts... ;D
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how about the black widow?
I know for a fact that the black widows in Yuma are freaking huge.
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Awesome calorie burner and bettter than deadlifts... ;D
True! And when working outside and I come across a spider I also get in some cardio (from running away screaming).
There are scorpions
hmm...I may need a raise :-\
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If there is such a great risk of spider bites, then why aren't all the Mexicans 450 lbs like Onlyme?
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What you guys have to remember is that according to McCain $50 (~$100K a year) is poor to McCain.
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If the audio is correct and true then McCain is offering to put up the $50 an hour to anyone who will do this and hopefully someone take him up on this offer.
This guy is so far removed from reality that it's hard to even understand
Maybe he's just an idiot and can't do simple math (seriously, I think this is a big problem/blessing for the far right - they just claim ignorance)
Even if he can just claim he flubbed the $$$ he is still telling American workers that they are LAZY and literally not capable of doing the job.
wtf??
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a few dozen folks showed up with applications later that day.
mccain's campaign refused to dignify them with a response.
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a few dozen folks showed up with applications later that day.
mccain's campaign refused to dignify them with a response.
dignify them with a respose?
unless this audio if fake these are his own words
He's made an clear offer, some might even call it a challenge, and he should honor it or address why he won't
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this thread shows how many ppl here actually have done manual labor, he is absolutely right there are jobs in america that the VAST VAST VAST majority of citizens would not do or could not do. Go work landscape go work with one of the mexican crews you see building a house. How these guys show up and do do that kinda work 5 days a week is beyond me. Given ive never picked lettuce and shoot it does sound a bit easier than some of the jobs ive done its still not gonna be a cake walk by any means. After a few days most and again MOST of the ppl that are citizens in this country would quit. Im telling you there are not enough willing citizens in this country to fill all the hard manual labor jobs...go try it for a day and you will have a new found respect for the ppl that do that kind of work.
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McCain's message to the working class. "you can't do it my friend!" wow...
hahah, that was the best.
He may as well have, "You're all lazy pricks."
I don't think theres much people wouldn't do for $50 an hour.
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this thread shows how many ppl here actually have done manual labor, he is absolutely right there are jobs in america that the VAST VAST VAST majority of citizens would not do or could not do. Go work landscape go work with one of the mexican crews you see building a house. How these guys show up and do do that kinda work 5 days a week is beyond me. Given ive never picked lettuce and shoot it does sound a bit easier than some of the jobs ive done its still not gonna be a cake walk by any means. After a few days most and again MOST of the ppl in the citizens in this country would quit. Im telling you there are not enough citizens in this country to fill all the hard manual labor jobs...go try it for a day and you will have a new found respect for the ppl that do that kind of work.
If he had said that everyone in America smells like shit, you probably would have found an excuse for him on that as well.
But anyway, I worked landscaping and I do construction now. If someone paid me $50 an hour to landscape I would have ripped a boner through my pants. Hell, I don't know many drywallers that make over $35 an hour working for companies. The only ones that do are self emplyed, so $50/hr for either of those types of jobs is a blessing.
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this thread shows how many ppl here actually have done manual labor, he is absolutely right there are jobs in america that the VAST VAST VAST majority of citizens would not do or could not do. Go work landscape go work with one of the mexican crews you see building a house. How these guys show up and do do that kinda work 5 days a week is beyond me. Given ive never picked lettuce and shoot it does sound a bit easier than some of the jobs ive done its still not gonna be a cake walk by any means. After a few days most and again MOST of the ppl that are citizens in this country would quit. Im telling you there are not enough willing citizens in this country to fill all the hard manual labor jobs...go try it for a day and you will have a new found respect for the ppl that do that kind of work.
i worked summer landscaping for a few years, every summer, in the florida sun. We wore flannel and jeans and gloves and hats, drank a warm water gallon all day. It sucked. But it was $50 cash per day and at the time, it was well worth it.
picking lettuce has to be easier than cutting grass, picking up crap all day, and chopping down trees. For $50 per HOUR, i'd be out there again, sure.
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If he had said that everyone in America smells like shit, you probably would have found an excuse for him on that as well. I worked landscaping and I do construction now. If someone paid me $50 an hour to landscape I would have ripped a boner through my pants. Hell, I don't know many drywallers that make over $35 an hour working for companies. The only ones that do are self emplyed, so $50/hr for either of those types of jobs is a blessing.
way to ignore the point of my post and his statement and that is there are jobs in this country that 99% of the citizens will not do. Im not big supporter of mccain you can look over the threads here and find that out he has his faults.
What I dont like is ppl coming on here with no real grounds for attack and starting threads and others mindlessly joining in
Do you use mexican immigrants or immigrants of any kind in your construction or when you were landscaping?
It was to make a point much like his "why not 100 yrs" comment not to be taken literally.
How many ppl do you know that you would say COULD and WOULD honestly do landscape and i dont mean directing i mean being the one that lays the sod being, carries the loaded down wheel barrow around, digs the holes, that moves the brick, plants the vegitation and all the other things that go with it in 100+ degree heat 5 days a week for a career?
I dont know many that could last more than a few days even if they where getting $15 an hour.
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this thread shows how many ppl here actually have done manual labor, he is absolutely right there are jobs in america that the VAST VAST VAST majority of citizens would not do or could not do. Go work landscape go work with one of the mexican crews you see building a house. How these guys show up and do do that kinda work 5 days a week is beyond me. Given ive never picked lettuce and shoot it does sound a bit easier than some of the jobs ive done its still not gonna be a cake walk by any means. After a few days most and again MOST of the ppl that are citizens in this country would quit. Im telling you there are not enough willing citizens in this country to fill all the hard manual labor jobs...go try it for a day and you will have a new found respect for the ppl that do that kind of work.
no, he's not right, you're just a moron who will excuse anything McCain says rather than own up to him making a massive bluder and showing his disconnect. You're either full of shit or just as disconnected.
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i worked summer landscaping for a few years, every summer, in the florida sun. We wore flannel and jeans and gloves and hats, drank a warm water gallon all day. It sucked. But it was $50 cash per day and at the time, it was well worth it.
picking lettuce has to be easier than cutting grass, picking up crap all day, and chopping down trees. For $50 per HOUR, i'd be out there again, sure.
what you did sounds more like yard work than landscaping and I agree its all relative to each individual.
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no, he's not right, you're just a moron who will excuse anything McCain says rather than own up to him making a massive bluder and showing his disconnect. You're either full of shit or just as disconnected.
your a fuking idiot do us all a favor have something constructive to say or stfu you never say anything of importance only chime in on others statements.
How long have you done manual labor before, LOL let me guess you mow your own yard so your qualified to speak on this subject right? LOL you have no clue
P.S. you never answered why you were voting for obama for the 5th time now
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this thread shows how many ppl here actually have done manual labor, he is absolutely right there are jobs in america that the VAST VAST VAST majority of citizens would not do or could not do. Go work landscape go work with one of the mexican crews you see building a house. How these guys show up and do do that kinda work 5 days a week is beyond me. Given ive never picked lettuce and shoot it does sound a bit easier than some of the jobs ive done its still not gonna be a cake walk by any means. After a few days most and again MOST of the ppl that are citizens in this country would quit. Im telling you there are not enough willing citizens in this country to fill all the hard manual labor jobs...go try it for a day and you will have a new found respect for the ppl that do that kind of work.
I see your point, however the only thing missing from that is the 100K per year.
If lettuce picking paid 100K per year, there would lines of people wanting to pick lettuce
The point is, while many in america think "Manual Labor" is the president of mexico, It really doesn't pay much money.
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If lettuce picking paid 100K per year, there would lines of people wanting to pick lettuce
Correct.
Mccain - seriously, here - doesn't have a strong grasp on numbers.
Not knowing gas prices, what lettuce pickers are paid, price of milk...
He's been an inherited millionaire for 30+ years now. He doesn't carry money, I betcha. Doesn't count it either. His needs are met, period.
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I'm bored and you bastards :D got me interested in lettuce picking haha
Salad Days in Yuma - great video
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I see your point, however the only thing missing from that is the 100K per year.
If lettuce picking paid 100K per year, there would lines of people wanting to pick lettuce
The point is, while many in america think "Manual Labor" is the president of mexico, It really doesn't pay much money.
and i see yours but i think you missed mccains point it wasnt a statment that was meant to be literal only one to bring home a point and that is that the vast majority of citizen in the US would not and COULD not do the type of work that alot of mexican immigrants do 5 days a week. I made 100 bucks a day when i was doing landscaping and honestly i couldnt have it 5 days a week my I dont think that my body physically could take 5 days a week of that kind of work. It is back breaking work and in just for 240's sake i live in Houston, Tx it gets hotter than shit and with 100% humidity not many ppl can do that or would be willing to even try at $10 or $15 an hour they are a crucial part of our society whether ppl want to admit it or not.
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You know I really HATE lettuce.
Not all Lettuce. Just Ice berg.
It's f-ing nasty.
If you take some lettuce and put it in a plastic bag and set it out in the hot sun it will turn into something like snot.
So really, lettuce is potential snot.
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and i see yours but i think you missed mccains point it wasnt a statment that was meant to be literal only one to bring home a point and that is that the vast majority of citizen in the US would not and COULD not do the type of work that alot of mexican immigrants do 5 days a week. I made 100 bucks a day when i was doing landscaping and honestly i couldnt have it 5 days a week my I dont think that my body physically could take 5 days a week of that kind of work. It is back breaking work and in just for 240's sake i live in Houston, Tx it gets hotter than shit and with 100% humidity not many ppl can do that or would be willing to even try at $10 or $15 an hour they are a crucial part of our society whether ppl want to admit it or not.
If that's the case, and it sounds like it was concerning McCain's point. Not only is he out of touch with how many houses he owns, he's out of touch with what good money for middle class americans is.
Not a very good thing.
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You know I really HATE lettuce.
Not all Lettuce. Just Ice berg.
It's f-ing nasty.
If you take some lettuce and put it in a plastic bag and set it out in the hot sun it will turn into something like snot.
So really, lettuce is potential snot.
I dont mind iceburg i actually like it b/c its got some crunch to it
but now everytime i see the green leafy i think its spinich type of lettuce i will think of snot, thanks for that.
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I dont mind iceburg i actually like it b/c its got some crunch to it
but now everytime i see the green leafy i think its spinich type of lettuce i will think of snot, thanks for that.
hhehehehe ;D
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If that's the case, and it sounds like it was concerning McCain's point. Not only is he out of touch with how many houses he owns, he's out of touch with what good money for middle class americans is.
Not a very good thing.
LOL you heard him say "not just one day, the entire season" LOL honestly i could imagine picking lettuce and it may sound easy but after 2 hours or so i bet your back would be wrecked so doing that for 10-12 hours a day for say 2 or 3 months i have no idea how long a season is for lettuce. I dont think many ppl could make it the entire season although im sure many would try.
Heres another thing for you guys to think of what would you do after the season is over? You wouldnt have moved to this po dunk town just for 3 months and then not to have work. You probably would have just been staying in a motel or sleeping in your car. People are thinking this is a year round gig but its not these ppl who do that work probably have to pack up and hit the road to find more work. When i did landscape the mexican guys that worked with me where always asking about other jobs and they never even questioned if the job was in another town or even state if there was work they took it.
Most ppl here would not quit there jobs and move to a po dunk town to do manual labor 10-12 hours day for 3 months even if it meant 30K...If you say you would then i expect to see you on the next season of "the deadlist catch"
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Most ppl here would not quit there jobs and move to a po dunk town to do manual labor 10-12 hours day for 3 months even if it meant 30K
MANY PEOPLE would go there for $100,000 per year, which is what $50 per hour at 40 hours per week equals.
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any of you watch the video I posted
it`s about a white guy working in the lettuce fields with Mexicans
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any of you watch the video I posted
it`s about a white guy working in the lettuce fields with Mexicans
I call bullshit. I heard from a war hero that “Americans Won’t Pick Lettuce for $50/hr”
If you disagree, you hate America.
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I call bullshit. I heard from a war hero that “Americans Won’t Pick Lettuce for $50/hr”
If you disagree, you hate America.
:D lol
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LOL you heard him say "not just one day, the entire season" LOL honestly i could imagine picking lettuce and it may sound easy but after 2 hours or so i bet your back would be wrecked so doing that for 10-12 hours a day for say 2 or 3 months i have no idea how long a season is for lettuce. I dont think many ppl could make it the entire season although im sure many would try.
Heres another thing for you guys to think of what would you do after the season is over? You wouldnt have moved to this po dunk town just for 3 months and then not to have work. You probably would have just been staying in a motel or sleeping in your car. People are thinking this is a year round gig but its not these ppl who do that work probably have to pack up and hit the road to find more work. When i did landscape the mexican guys that worked with me where always asking about other jobs and they never even questioned if the job was in another town or even state if there was work they took it.
Most ppl here would not quit there jobs and move to a po dunk town to do manual labor 10-12 hours day for 3 months even if it meant 30K...If you say you would then i expect to see you on the next season of "the deadlist catch"
Actually, in many places 30k is a good deal for 3 months of work. They can either take the rest of the year off or work an easy job.
I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of people who'd easily take to picking lettuce for 3 months at $50 bucks and hour and then chill at a minimum wage job at a retail outlet for the christmas season plus some. They could earn 50k a year. 50k a year for not working 3-4 months a year in a place like west texas would be living pretty good. heck, on 50k a year in Dallas you can qualify and get a decent new home for 130k.
If John McCain would have said $20 bucks an hour it would have made sense. But you've got to be "in touch" to figure out that out. ;)
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MANY PEOPLE would go there for $100,000 per year, which is what $50 per hour at 40 hours per week equals.
for a season he said FOR A SEASON that doesnt equal 100k and the idea that you would be working 40 hour weeks is laughable try 50 or 60 hour weeks or manual labor.
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for a season he said FOR A SEASON that doesnt equal 100k and the idea that you would be working 40 hour weeks is laughable try 50 or 60 hour weeks or manual labor.
Fair enough.
Three months x 60 hour work week x $50 per hour...
That's $36,000 for 3 months of labor.
Guess what... MOST people would consider that. Work your ass off for 3 months, then vacation for 9?
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Actually, in many places 30k is a good deal for 3 months of work. They can either take the rest of the year off or work an easy job.
I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of people who'd easily take to picking lettuce for 3 months at $50 bucks and hour and then chill at a minimum wage job at a retail outlet for the christmas season plus some. They could earn 50k a year. 50k a year for not working 3-4 months a year in a place like west texas would be living pretty good. heck, on 50k a year in Dallas you can qualify and get a decent new home for 130k.
If John McCain would have said $20 bucks an hour it would have made sense. But you've got to be "in touch" to figure out that out. ;)
ya but how many lettuce fields are there around dallas?
You would have to relocate and live in a motel, car, trailer for 3 months again most ppl wouldnt do this.
Why arent all these ppl that would line up to do this running to alaska or canada during the crabbing season up there? those ppl pull in more than 30k for 3 months of work.
I agree 50 wasnt the best number but again your missing the point and the point is that there are jobs and not just a few but many jobs in america that us citizens would not or could not do.
you live in Dallas OZMO?
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Fair enough.
Three months x 60 hour work week x $50 per hour...
That's $36,000 for 3 months of labor.
Guess what... MOST people would consider that. Work your ass off for 3 months, then vacation for 9?
well go to canada or alaska for crab season then they get more than that...not a huge line up there for that.
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any of you watch the video I posted
it`s about a white guy working in the lettuce fields with Mexicans
I've done far worse jobs when I was young. I also worked the fields in Yuma for a while, 2nd job for some extra cash. McCain's statements show how out of touch he is. The stipulations he put on it, saying Americans couldn't do the job, even being paid 50 bucks an hours. WOW. There really is no excusing what he said imo.
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"Because you CAN'T do it, my friend".
Not "wont'.
Can't.
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well go to canada or alaska for crab season then they get more than that...not a huge line up there for that.
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There is a lot of leftist faggotry on this thread tonight.
These mexicans do what they do because they can't do anything else. They lack the intelligence and motivation to do anything greater then manual labor. Anybody who says otherwise has obviously not been around many.
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There is a lot of leftist faggotry on this thread tonight.
These mexicans do what they do because they can't do anything else. They lack the intelligence and motivation to do anything greater then manual labor. Anybody who says otherwise has obviously not been around many.
mccain said YOU CAN'T DO IT.
he told working americans they can't handle the work. but mexicans can?
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mccain said YOU CAN'T DO IT.
he told working americans they can't handle the work. but mexicans can?
McCain has openly supported amnesty for these illegals. It's all a bi-partisan ploy to aid the invading masses at the expense of out treasury and cultural base.
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"Because you CAN'T do it, my friend".
Not "wont'.
Can't.
LOL, yup, can't... I did it back in 92-93 as a second job. It was extremely hot, but nowhere near the worst job out there. It was something like 7.50 an hour back then. These guys are working for 8.00 something now... When McCain was called out by workers who said Americans would do the work if the pay was better, look at what happened to the pay from then to now lol... The corporations have done a number on us for sure. Plus he's so full of shit. Sure, working the fields is mostly filled with mexican labor, but back then, most of the construction work was filled with American workers, now most of the construction labor has been displaced with mexican labor. The companies filling their crews with mexican labor can undercut the other company's bid and then the company that finds itself in a place losing more and more contracts faces a choice, layoff American workers and higher cheep mexican labor or go under. So then you have Americans saying, I won't do that job for that pay. But they were doing those jobs before. So these guys like McCain are full of shit and just not giving a true picture of what happens and why.
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LOL, yup, can't... I did it back in 92-93 as a second job. It was extremely hot, but nowhere near the worst job out there. It was something like 7.50 an hour back then. These guys are working for 8.00 something now... When McCain was called out by workers who said Americans would do the work if the pay was better, look at what happened to the pay from then to now lol... The corporations have done a number on us for sure. Plus he's so full of shit. Sure, working the fields is mostly filled with mexican labor, but back then, most of the construction work was filled with American workers, now most of the construction labor has been displaced with mexican labor. The companies filling their crews with mexican labor can undercut the other company's bid and then the company that finds itself in a place losing more and more contracts faces a choice, layoff American workers and higher cheep mexican labor or go under. So then you have Americans saying, I won't do that job for that pay. But they were doing those jobs before. So these guys like McCain are full of shit and just not giving a true picture of what happens and why.
And just how in the fuuck is that McCains fault?
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And just how in the fuuck is that McCains fault?
his fault is ignorance.
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And just how in the fuuck is that McCains fault?
you obviously didn't read what I said. try again. I wasn't blaming McCain for it, I was pointing out that McCain doesn't have a clue.
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it was to illustrate a point!!!
do you ppl disagree that there are jobs in this country that the VAST majority of US citizens will not do?
I agree with Hugos point about what happend in the manual labor scenario...heres the problem are you going to support the companies that dont use immigrant workers? No your not b/c that would mean higher prices for you. I love how everyone complains about illegal immigrants taking jobs from americans yet im sure they didnt tell the builder of their house not to use immigrants. Im sure many of the posters on this forum have ppl who mow their yards and employ immigrants everyone complains but nobody does anything about it.
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it was to illustrate a point!!!
do you ppl disagree that there are jobs in this country that the VAST majority of US citizens will not do?
I agree with Hugos point about what happend in the manual labor scenario...heres the problem are you going to support the companies that dont use immigrant workers? No your not b/c that would mean higher prices for you. I love how everyone complains about illegal immigrants taking jobs from americans yet im sure they didnt tell the builder of their house not to use immigrants. Im sure many of the posters on this forum have ppl who mow their yards and employ immigrants everyone complains but nobody does anything about it.
but the kind of people who are in a place to do something about it are Senators ;) Of course people are going to go with the cheaper bid, I don't think the full onus should be placed on the individual. There are rules to the game we all play here in America and government writes the game rules that we play by. The onus is primarily on them to write fair rules. As I see it now, it's a disgusting failure. So when we have a senator who points the blame at the American worker as McCain did, that's just not fair whatsoever knowing what happens and why and who's ultimate responsibility it is.
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way to ignore the point of my post and his statement and that is there are jobs in this country that 99% of the citizens will not do.
No doubt there are jobs that 99% of Americans won't do, ...however, picking lettuce at $50/hr isn't one of them.
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but the kind of people who are in a place to do something about it are Senators ;) Of course people are going to go with the cheaper bid, I don't think the full onus should be placed on the individual. There are rules to the game we all play here in America and government writes the game rules that we play by. The onus is primarily on them to write fair rules. As I see it now, it's a disgusting failure. So when we have a senator who points the blame at the American worker as McCain did, that's just not fair whatsoever knowing what happens and why and who's ultimate responsibility it is.
you didnt answer my question do you disagree that there are jobs in this country that the vast majority of US citizens would not do?
I completely agree but you probably supported obamas make sure your tires are properly inflated movement as well, would it work ya sure would is it plausable not really. All you can really control is what you do as an individual if everybody did it the impact would be profound same as obamas tire inflation.
Illegal immigrant workers really are an integral part of the backbone of this nation, probably close to 100% of the structures built in this country have probably been worked on in some form or another by illegal immigrants.
If illegal immigrant work was no longer available everybody would shit a brick prices would rise and expansion/construction and overall manual labor would suffer.
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No doubt there are jobs that 99% of Americans won't do, ...however, picking lettuce at $50/hr isn't one of them.
LOL jag you live in canada what do those guys who work on the crab ships make for what 2-3 months of work?
How long is the line for those jobs?
Again it was to illustrate a point and the point is very valid.
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you didnt answer my question do you disagree that there are jobs in this country that the vast majority of US citizens would not do?
I completely agree but you probably supported obamas make sure your tires are properly inflated movement as well, would it work ya sure would is it plausable not really. All you can really control is what you do as an individual if everybody did it the impact would be profound same as obamas tire inflation.
Illegal immigrant workers really are an integral part of the backbone of this nation, probably close to 100% of the structures built in this country have probably been worked on in some form or another by illegal immigrants.
If illegal immigrant work was no longer available everybody would shit a brick prices would rise and expansion/construction and overall manual labor would suffer.
My answer to your question is very clearly contained in the post I made that you said you agreed with. Also, I never said there shouldn't be a place for some guest workers. There has been a place for them long before the current situation got out of hand. And it is out of hand and McCain's mode was to blame the worker directly implying they couldn't do hard labor even for 50 bucks an hour. He is clearly on the extreme of the issue siding with industy against the American worker. Not cool.
Oh yea, no fucking idea why you brought up the tire thing, but I've known about tire inflation and MPG since I was 16. Anybody with half a brain should know that. Obama is right about that and you're an idiot if you think not.
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LOL jag you live in canada what do those guys who work on the crab ships make for what 2-3 months of work?
Crabs? :o
Sorry hun, ...I don't know anything about crabs.
How long is the line for those jobs?
Again it was to illustrate a point and the point is very valid.
People will do whatever they have to to make ends meet.
As in any society, those with more options will exercise those options.
When it comes to back breaking manual labour, ...or seemingly impossible jobs,
...the more motivated one is, the more willng they are to do it... PERIOD!
It has to do with a mentality, ...not a nationality.
Some societies have a tendency to ghettoize, stigmatize,and categorize various jobs towards gender and ethnicity more so than others, ...still, it really all boils down to personal motivation.
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Crabs? :o
Sorry hun, ...I don't know anything about crabs.
People will do whatever they have to to make ends meet.
As in any society, those with more options will exercise those options.
When it comes to back breaking manual labour, ...or seemingly impossible jobs,
...the more motivated one is, the more willng they are to do it... PERIOD!
It has to do with a mentality, ...not a nationality.
Some societies have a tendency to ghettoize, stigmatize,and categorize various jobs towards gender and ethnicity more so than others, ...still, it really all boils down to personal motivation.
LOL i never said anything about nationality or ghettoizing or stigmatizing manual labor, Im half japanese and half white and ive done it many times since i was 15 to make ends meet.
My point was that alot of ppl on this thread are saying that if that was the case then there would be huge lines but this just isnt the case. If it was there would be huge lines for the jobs on the crab ships that work for what 2 or 3 months out of the year and pull in much more than a person would if the did this for 2 or 3 months even at 50 an hour but there arent huge lines for that job b/c there are jobs that most ppl just wont do.
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LOL i never said anything about nationality or ghettoizing or stigmatizing manual labor, Im half japanese and half white and ive done it many times since i was 15 to make ends meet.
My point was that alot of ppl on this thread are saying that if that was the case then there would be huge lines but this just isnt the case. If it was there would be huge lines for the jobs on the crab ships that work for what 2 or 3 months out of the year and pull in much more than a person would if the did this for 2 or 3 months even at 50 an hour but there arent huge lines for that job b/c there are jobs that most ppl just wont do.
Crabbing is the most deadly job in the world... of course it's not going to get a lot of people.
Self preservation dictates to not take a job THAT dangerous.
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LOL jag you live in canada what do those guys who work on the crab ships make for what 2-3 months of work?
How long is the line for those jobs?
Again it was to illustrate a point and the point is very valid.
I haven't seen any Mexicans on an Alaskan crab boat. Lazy pricks. :)
If McCain hadn't mentioned $50/hr that would be one thing but he just didn't know when to shut up.
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LOL i never said anything about nationality or ghettoizing or stigmatizing manual labor, Im half japanese and half white and ive done it many times since i was 15 to make ends meet.
My point was that alot of ppl on this thread are saying that if that was the case then there would be huge lines but this just isnt the case. If it was there would be huge lines for the jobs on the crab ships that work for what 2 or 3 months out of the year and pull in much more than a person would if the did this for 2 or 3 months even at 50 an hour but there arent huge lines for that job b/c there are jobs that most ppl just wont do.
She never said you did, she makes a great point.
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ya but how many lettuce fields are there around dallas?
You would have to relocate and live in a motel, car, trailer for 3 months again most ppl wouldnt do this.
Why arent all these ppl that would line up to do this running to alaska or canada during the crabbing season up there? those ppl pull in more than 30k for 3 months of work.
I agree 50 wasnt the best number but again your missing the point and the point is that there are jobs and not just a few but many jobs in america that us citizens would not or could not do.
you live in Dallas OZMO?
I do get the point. But his number is wrong ands shows he out of touch. And there is agriculture around the Dallas Area right? It may not be lettuce, but it could be some other vegetable that needs a picking. I've spent about 2 weeks total in Dallas in 2006 on business and a friend of mine who's a real-estate investor owns about 10 houses there because he says he easily gets positive cash flow form the mortgage/rent difference. I live in N. California.
I don't believe people could not or would not do them. I believe they don't get paid enough and that's why you have a sub culture of Mexicans who will work for minimum wage or less. Many of them are illegal immigrants. And because they don't get paid much we don't pay much for the produce.
I guarantee you if they paid $50 per hour there would be droves of white & black americans working those fields. Including college kids.
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I guarantee you if they paid $50 per hour there would be droves of white & black americans working those fields. Including college kids.
Wouldn't matter. They CAN'T do it. A war hero said so. He spent 5 years in the hanoi hilton. He said so on Leno.
Trust me, he knows more about it than you do.
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Wouldn't matter. They CAN'T do it. A war hero said so. He spent 5 years in the hanoi hilton. He said so on Leno.
Trust me, he knows more about it than you do.
Yeah that pathetic pandering cheating whore. Now he's created, as you say, the "POW" Card. what a fvck head.
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Ozmo you live in Berkley, dontcha?
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I've done far worse jobs when I was young. I also worked the fields in Yuma for a while, 2nd job for some extra cash. McCain's statements show how out of touch he is. The stipulations he put on it, saying Americans couldn't do the job, even being paid 50 bucks an hours. WOW. There really is no excusing what he said imo.
you ever heard of curly culp...he is my great uncle...from yuma
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Talking in USD...you are so far behind the times... ;D
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most would pick lettuce for 25 bucks per hour
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Ozmo you live in Berkley, dontcha?
HAHAHAHAHA yeah right on Telegraph Street. ;D
No I don't live in "Berserkly".
Why do you say that? Are you insulating I'm one of those "American hating liberals"? lol.
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most would pick lettuce for 25 bucks per hour
Very true sir.
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Very true sir.
What exactly is your profession OzmO, or is that a secret?
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HAHAHAHAHA yeah right on Telegraph Street. ;D
No I don't live in "Berserkly".
Why do you say that? Are you insulating I'm one of those "American hating liberals"? lol.
Absolutly not...
Humboldt then?
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you ever heard of curly culp...he is my great uncle...from yuma
nope, is there a good story there?
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What exactly is your profession OzmO, or is that a secret?
I'm a sales training consultant.
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Absolutly not...
Humboldt then?
I'd love to live in Humbolt County. Even if it's just in Redway and Gaberville.
But no, I live by Sacramento. :(
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nope, is there a good story there?
he was voted best athlete ever out of arizona. NCAA national wrestling champ. 7 time probowler and nfl defensive player of the year with the oilers and chiefs and was the first nose guard in a 3-4 defense and was named to the all century 3-4 defensive team. Won a superbowl with the KC chiefs...thought you might know of him being from yuma
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I'd love to live in Humbolt County. Even if it's just in Redway and Gaberville.
But no, I live by Sacramento. :(
My condolences.
As do I.
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he was voted best athlete ever out of arizona. NCAA national wrestling champ. 7 time probowler and nfl defensive player of the year with the oilers and chiefs and was the first nose guard in a 3-4 defense and was named to the all century 3-4 defensive team. Won a superbowl with the KC chiefs...thought you might know of him being from yuma
Not from Yuma, I just served there at the MCAS. But shit, I should have known of this guy anyway. One hell of a resume there. wow.
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I'm a sales training consultant.
Sounds...like wealth.
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Sounds...like wealth.
Nah. I do OK. I'm pretty comfortable and love my job. But i'm not rich or even upper middle class. But it affords me to play poker in good money games :)
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Nah. I do OK. I'm pretty comfortable and love my job. But i'm not rich or even upper middle class. But it affords me to play poker in good money games :)
That's a rare thing.
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That's a rare thing.
i do porn...i say the same
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That's a rare thing.
Yes, I'm very thankful for it. I essentially come and go as a please. I'm trusted to get what ever work i have to do the way i want to do it. And i get a lot of job satisfaction from it. Some of the people i work with i've know for the better part of 20 years.
I have very few complaints if any.