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After Clinton was passed over for VP, feminists around the US yelled that Democrats, Obama, and media had treated her unfairly. After the GOP picked Palin, they were told on both isles to be careful.....they just made this issue of her pregnancy and her daughter's blow up in their faces. The GOP will miss out on a Cheney and Bush speech, but Laura Bush will be in attendence and on stage....calling on women.
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No.
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I'm afraid yes. And if either Clinton opens their mouth and says the words "unfair" or "discrimination" it's bad.
This is a new wave of Shock and Awe.
The Palin choice was your shock....the awe will soon follow
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this is too funny even to respond, haha you republican douchebags are so delusional its scary. hahahaha yes all women will jump ship because every woman candidate is completely interchangeable ::)
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If this pregnancy story is not true, the democrats that pushed it will be shown to be scumbags. A smear tactic like this will not go over well at all...particularly with women. Big backfire.
If this baby is her daughters then Palin just lied to the public and she has big problems.
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No x 2.
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the democrats that pushed it will be shown to be scumbags.
Please list their names.
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Please list their names.
I'll start:
Colonel 240
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I'll start:
Colonel 240
I see. Anyone in any official capacity from the dem party?
I mean, if you want to tie this to Obama, you gotta be able to list the obama operatives who were involved.
You can't, can you?
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I'll start:
Colonel 240
Wow, 240 is offically a dem official? Great work Rob, you should have shared with the board >:(
By that thought, the repubs are all racist for all the racist things ones reads on various boards and hears from people.
White supremist groups made threats againest Obama, post that stuff online etc. I think it is safe to say McCain has no interest in wacking people as they are black ::)
Unless the official camps say things, is not their fault. That way all sorts of nutbag things would be tied to them....
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It is a common practice for candidates to use "unofficial" means to attack opponents. That's why, for example, Wes Clark could attack McCain's service and Obama could stand back and say "it wasn't me." ::)
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It is a common practice for candidates to use "unofficial" means to attack opponents. That's why, for example, Wes Clark could attack McCain's service and Obama could stand back and say "it wasn't me." ::)
Obama says family attacks are off-limits:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=231765.0
So unless you have some evidence of his connection to it, this is just another hairbrain CT of yours.
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this is too funny even to respond, haha you republican douchebags are so delusional its scary. hahahaha yes all women will jump ship because every woman candidate is completely interchangeable ::)
Who said all the women would jump ship? Nobody here!!!
In fact, the emphasis with Palin has been energizing the conservative base. Of course, if some of those nice PUMAs jump on board the McCain train, it certainly doesn't hurt the GOP's cause.
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Nobody cares about who the hell the VP candidate is except for the political junkies here.
VPs do not decide elections.
AFter 8 years of Reagan, most of the blue collar workers of southeastern wisconsin that frequented the tavern I bartended at had no idea just who the hell George Bush was and that he'd been VP for the entire 8 years.
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Nobody cares about who the hell the VP candidate is except for the political junkies here.
VPs do not decide elections.
AFter 8 years of Reagan, most of the blue collar workers of southeastern wisconsin that frequented the tavern I bartended at had no idea just who the hell George Bush was and that he'd been VP for the entire 8 years.
Oh... so you read those old Doonesberry comic strips too?
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I wasn't clear with my writing. My point was that whoever started and propagated this smear job is a scumbag. We'll probably never find out who it was. No one can say if it came from the Obama camp but it sure came from that side of the isle, who are quick to pounce on any smearing from the right.
This action was bullshit, unfair to Palin and why a lot of good people stay out of politics.
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Nobody cares about who the hell the VP candidate is except for the political junkies here.
VPs do not decide elections.
I think she may get some additional press to reg VP's which was possibly McCains plan. Female VP is rare, she's very pretty, 5 kids is rare, having a young baby is rare, a pregnant teen is a first [?] and the down syndrome baby must be a first [?]
Also maybe shows his judgement, some people may be thrilled, others may question his judgement - and wonder who he will choose for other positions?
Most press is never on issues, it's on drama, and she has plenty.
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Oh... so you read those old Doonesberry comic strips too?
Bush was a disembodied voice, quayle a feather and Bush the lesser was busted up gladiator helmet. That's funny stuff.
Only problem is, my story is true
Sure this is the information age and the systems are replete with info as soon as it happens. However people are as disinterested today as they were 20 years ago.
...except for Obama....he draws some freakishly large live audiences.
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I wasn't clear with my writing. My point was that whoever started and propagated this smear job is a scumbag. We'll probably never find out who it was. No one can say if it came from the Obama camp but it sure came from that side of the isle, who are quick to pounce on any smearing from the right.
This action was bullshit, unfair to Palin and why a lot of good people stay out of politics.
It was DailyKOS that started it.
We don't yet know if it's true, or false.
To draw a conclusion after seeing their case, would be stupid.
To draw a conclusion after a denial from Mccain, would be stupid.
Letting the vetting process happen, THEN making a decision about the validity of the claim, is the intelligent thing to do.
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If the daughter is 5 months pregnant and the little baby with Down's is 4-5 months old, its extremely unlikely for the daughter to be the mother of the Down's baby. Plus, as I have already explained, the chance of a 17 yr old having a child with Down's is incredibly rare. Its a bullshit story.
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I wasn't clear with my writing. My point was that whoever started and propagated this smear job is a scumbag. We'll probably never find out who it was. No one can say if it came from the Obama camp but it sure came from that side of the isle, who are quick to pounce on any smearing from the right.
This action was bullshit, unfair to Palin and why a lot of good people stay out of politics.
I missed the news cycle. I have no idea what you're talking about. It has something to do with Palin ignoring her last bout of labor b/c her fetus had downs syndrome?
Welcome to politics. It was the Bush people that started the push polling--patterned after Lee Atwater's techniques---where people were polled as to whether they'd be more or less likely to vote for McCain in 2000 if they knew that he'd:
fathered an illegitimate black child;
become mentally deranged while a pow;
become a commie manchurian candidate while a pow etc.
It would be a shame that the only lesson learned by the democrats from the republicans over the last 8 years would be this type of 'win at all costs' campaigning.
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If the daughter is 5 months pregnant
Exactly.
We have zero proof of this, other than the Rove statement.
You know, the self-proclaimed 'architect'?
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I think she may get some additional press to reg VP's which was possibly McCains plan. Female VP is rare, she's very pretty, 5 kids is rare, having a young baby is rare, a pregnant teen is a first [?] and the down syndrome baby must be a first [?]
Also maybe shows his judgement, some people may be thrilled, others may question his judgement - and wonder who he will choose for other positions?
Most press is never on issues, it's on drama, and she has plenty.
I agree with your characterization of the press.
McCain has already shown poor judgment in formulating his shortsighted policy platform. It's ruinous. His judgment in choosing a pretty face to be his VP candidate is also questionable b/c policy-wise, she's as polarizing as Bush ever was.
He made his choice, let him live with it.
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Decker, I was speaking about the initial smear for the last day that Palin's Down's child was her daughters and she lied to the public. Which is simply wrong.
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I know Rove is behind a lot but what are you suggesting? That the whole story with Palin's daughter being pregnant is false?
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I know Rove is behind a lot but what are you suggesting? That the whole story with Palin's daughter being pregnant is false?
No, that is was bait. The dems took it, and now even with an Obama statement saying "family is off limits" the damage is starting. Democrats are starting to look vile, and this women's family is coming under attack. The Democrats are already on the edge with women voters.
Haha Decker said no Clinton supporters would vote for McCain....guess that 27% that are against Obama and 28% undecided, are just magical votes.
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I think this attack on the family may particularly piss off some women voters as kids need to be off-limits.
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No, that is was bait. The dems took it, and now even with an Obama statement saying "family is off limits" the damage is starting. Democrats are starting to look vile, and this women's family is coming under attack. The Democrats are already on the edge with women voters.
Haha Decker said no Clinton supporters would vote for McCain....guess that 27% that are against Obama and 28% undecided, are just magical votes.
Nobody has cast a single vote for the 2008 election just yet. So you can stop counting your pretend votes.
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Nobody has cast a single vote for the 2008 election just yet. So you can stop counting your pretend votes.
haha says the guy "No Democrats that want Hillary in office are going to vote for McCain"
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I think this attack on the family may particularly piss off some women voters as kids need to be off-limits.
Recalling this has mostly been online, with a vague clipping offline. Some may miss it. And the attack didn't come from the camp, so same way racist loons won't turn off black repubs as it is hardly the camp making racial slurs.
I was feeling terrible for the girl yesterday, but now she really is pregnant things are changed. Not to be cold, whichever way the teen is/was pregnant, so not like lingering false rumours of a teen pregnancy will affect her like I thought yesterday.
Some women may be pissed, I don't find it ideal thats for sure, but I think that may be easily countered by a mom with 5 kids, downs baby, and now pregnant teen "seemingly" not focused enough on mothering all those kids, as she is running for VP.
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If the daughter is 5 months pregnant
How about she isn't preggys at all and will suffer a miscarriage in due time because of the "stress"? Hey, would not be the first faked pregnancy huh?
Then people will buy into that Palin gave birth to the first one.
How convient miscarriages can be at times.
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No, that is was bait. The dems took it, and now even with an Obama statement saying "family is off limits" the damage is starting. Democrats are starting to look vile, and this women's family is coming under attack. The Democrats are already on the edge with women voters.
Haha Decker said no Clinton supporters would vote for McCain....guess that 27% that are against Obama and 28% undecided, are just magical votes.
so you're saying that the Republicans/Rove used Palin as bait?
really?
that's pretty devious don't you think?
Do you think Palin agreed to be bait ahead of time or just got used?
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haha says the guy "No Democrats that want Hillary in office are going to vote for McCain"
That is a true statement. McCain's policies are antithetical to any reasonable democrat. But there are those part of the cult of personality that may not vote at all due to Mrs. Clinton's absence from presidential politics.
So what?
Your obvious glee over whatever point it is you're making is rather disturbing.
Thanks for boldtyping the "No" part of that statement, it's quite a killer....just like you.
'haha'
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I know Rove is behind a lot but what are you suggesting? That the whole story with Palin's daughter being pregnant is false?
No.
I am suggesting we not take this statement as the "end all, be all" of this story.
I'm am suggesting we're 2 days into this story and people are ready to believe the first thing Rove tells them.
perhaps it'd be better to say "Sunday, we saw a lot of compelling things showing either Palin wasn't the mother, or she was highly irresponsible to fly 8 hours after water breaking. Monday, we heard from Rove that kid is pregnant. Who knows what we'll hear on Tuesday, but there's enough compelling info out there to wait a week or so, until people doing the vetting find proof of either side's claim. Let's wait a few days before deciding if either story is "dispelled" or not.
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Ouch. It appears that the website that broke the story has some workers with Obama, and some major news syndicates, that helped put the rumour of Palin being a grandmother out....as they are still calling her a grandmother...this is not good for the Obama camp.
It appeared on the O'Reilly show. More stuff to come
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Ouch. It appears that the website that broke the story has some workers with Obama, and some major news syndicates, that helped put the rumour of Palin being a grandmother out....as they are still calling her a grandmother...this is not good for the Obama camp.
It appeared on the O'Reilly show. More stuff to come
Please - share EVERY link to the Obama camp that you can find. It DOES matter - he said he will personally FIRE any staffer with any link to the grandmother rumor.
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Nobody cares about who the hell the VP candidate is except for the political junkies here.
VPs do not decide elections.
AFter 8 years of Reagan, most of the blue collar workers of southeastern wisconsin that frequented the tavern I bartended at had no idea just who the hell George Bush was and that he'd been VP for the entire 8 years.
Normally they don't, ...but I think this is one election that could see the choice of running mate sinking the ship.
Ironic isn't it that just a little while ago, people were speculating there couldn't possibly be a worse candidate of choice than McCain. I guess he put those nasty rumours to rest and proved all the nay-sayers wrong, didn't he?
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Stockdale sure made a lot of people think twice about Perot in 92.
He was sleeping halfway thru the interview. "I'll sit this question out" actually came out of his mouth at one point, didn't it?
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Now that I think aboiut it, the irony here is overwhelming.
You combat rumours that the baby is the high school teenager's, by announcing the high school teenager is pregnant now.
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Now that I think aboiut it, the irony here is overwhelming.
You combat rumours that the baby is the high school teenager's, by announcing the high school teenager is pregnant now.
Well Lord knows that when you're on the campaign trail for VPOTUS, ...it's hard to fake a pregnancy.
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you people make me laugh..
if you bought a membership to a gym where you were told no one could possibly squat because it's a bad exercise, and then the gym owner kind of in front of you loaded up the squat rack and squatted, you would ask for your money back. No?
This woman tells everyone how they should behave... without walking the walk. Does no one see that? She pretty much has said NO CONTRACEPTIVES FOR COUPLES, NO ABORTIONS FOR ANYONE, and yet she isn't proud of her illegitimate progeny. Now what does that say?
Hahahaha Nancy Reagan must be swooning on her chaise longue in the den knowing that the new people about to infest the oval office are pretty much the Clampett family. She knew it 20 years ago. :)
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This woman tells everyone how they should behave... without walking the walk. Does no one see that? She pretty much has said NO CONTRACEPTIVES FOR COUPLES,
The hypocrasy stupifies me. So she wants all the other kids to practice abstinence, while her kid is getting busy?
I've been hearing she is anti-contraception, can't find a good link for more info/validlity. Do you happen to have one?
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you people make me laugh..
if you bought a membership to a gym where you were told no one could possibly squat because it's a bad exercise, and then the gym owner kind of in front of you loaded up the squat rack and squatted, you would ask for your money back. No?
This woman tells everyone how they should behave... without walking the walk. Does no one see that? She pretty much has said NO CONTRACEPTIVES FOR COUPLES, NO ABORTIONS FOR ANYONE, and yet she isn't proud of her illegitimate progeny. Now what does that say?
Hahahaha Nancy Reagan must be swooning on her chaise longue in the den knowing that the new people about to infest the oval office are pretty much the Clampett family. She knew it 20 years ago. :)
The new people about to occupy the White House are nothing like the Clampetts.
The Obamas are much more classier and sophisticated than that. :P Let's here for O in the oval office (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/yippee.gif)
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Speaking of that - the pics with her and a gun shooting worry me.
We all know what happened with the last Repub VP with a gun :o
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I wasn't clear with my writing. My point was that whoever started and propagated this smear job is a scumbag. We'll probably never find out who it was. No one can say if it came from the Obama camp but it sure came from that side of the isle, who are quick to pounce on any smearing from the right.
This action was bullshit, unfair to Palin and why a lot of good people stay out of politics.
Nope.. it was started in Alaska months ago. Don't blame dems for what you have wrought.
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The hypocrasy stupifies me. So she wants all the other kids to practice abstinence, while her kid is getting busy?
I've been hearing she is anti-contraception, can't find a good link for more info/validlity. Do you happen to have one?
Palin is a member of this group: http://www.feministsforlife.org/
contraception addressed here (answer is ambiguous): http://www.feministsforlife.org/FAQ/index.htm
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Nobody cares about who the hell the VP candidate is except for the political junkies here.
VPs do not decide elections.
AFter 8 years of Reagan, most of the blue collar workers of southeastern wisconsin that frequented the tavern I bartended at had no idea just who the hell George Bush was and that he'd been VP for the entire 8 years.
That was prior to the Halliburton Presidency, my friend.
I rode in a cab this morning in Cleveland and the African-American driver was as well-informed about Cheney as most political junkies I've encountered over the past decade.
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That was prior to the Halliburton Presidency, my friend.
I rode in a cab this morning in Cleveland and the African-American driver was as well-informed about Cheney as most political junkies I've encountered over the past decade.
I agree. I was in a cab in Atlanta several months back and the driver was talking my ear off about politics.
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That was prior to the Halliburton Presidency, my friend.
I rode in a cab this morning in Cleveland and the African-American driver was as well-informed about Cheney as most political junkies I've encountered over the past decade.
I also agree, I was in a cab and the cab driver talked all about hot stock pics.
lol, im down 130%
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I also agree, I was in a cab and the cab driver talked all about hot stock pics.
lol, im down 130%
If you were talking about a Toronto cab, ...I might have a tendency to believe you.
The educational credentials of many of Toronto's cab drivers has to be seen to be believed.
The determination of some of these guys is amazing. I don't know if I could be an immigrant with a PhD,
and be forced to drive a cab everyday. I'd go bonkers. I guess when the dream is big enough,
...roadblocks don't matter {pun intended} :P
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Palin is a member of this group: http://www.feministsforlife.org/
contraception addressed here (answer is ambiguous): http://www.feministsforlife.org/FAQ/index.htm
Thanks, interesting link.
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Stockdale sure made a lot of people think twice about Perot in 92.
He was sleeping halfway thru the interview. "I'll sit this question out" actually came out of his mouth at one point, didn't it?
I'm out of ammo on that one...
He also asked his opponent Al Gore to repeat the question for him.
James Bond Stockdale portended things to come....BBBBBBBBush.
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Tre, do we live in the same city or you just visiting?
Well, there certainly have been some questions raised but some of the sources seem less than credible. That KOS site that started this crap needs to be held accountable. For now the facts suggest that the daughter is pregnant and you make your own decision about how that affects the candidate and her ability to perform her job. Some of this other crap is speculation only. Watch your sources.
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Tre, do we live in the same city or you just visiting?
Well, there certainly have been some questions raised but some of the sources seem less than credible. That KOS site that started this crap needs to be held accountable. For now the facts suggest that the daughter is pregnant and you make your own decision about how that affects the candidate and her ability to perform her job. Some of this other crap is speculation only. Watch your sources.
Other than ignoring the KOS site, what is there you can do to hold them accountable. If that site is indeed making libelous statements, then it will lose readers and maybe drift into oblivion. I doubt that will happen though.
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I suppose heavy criticizm from good people on both sides of the isle and encouraging others to stay away from their negative garbage. I think there should be some professional journalistic accountability as well but I don't know how it works in that field.
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The hypocrasy stupifies me. So she wants all the other kids to practice abstinence, while her kid is getting busy?
I've been hearing she is anti-contraception, can't find a good link for more info/validlity. Do you happen to have one?
What stupifies me is that you're calling this hypocrisy. As I said elsewhere, it doesn't matter which type of sex education Gov. Palin backs, her daughter DID NOT FOLLOW ANY OF IT.
Do you believe that teenage girls should be giving up the booty? If the answer is "No", does that belief now CHANGE, if your daughter drops her drawers and ends up pregnant?
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Do you believe that teenage girls should be giving up the booty? If the answer is "No", does that belief now CHANGE, if your daughter drops her drawers and ends up pregnant?
My stepkid just went 20, can't become a teenage mother, she's in college, so that cannot happen.
That said, my kid knew better [due to sad issues with her bio mom having trucks of kids young] but if she had, I would have been just like Palin and backed her to the ends of the earth. I made a decision to start raising her when I was a teen, which many could say/told me was dumb, and my parents backed me in every way, for which I adore them and no way could I have done it without them. So I am not bashing that issue - I would not, I am technically a teen mom also, even though was a strange way I went about it.
But I am not the one telling anyone how to prevent teen preganancies. I am not the one trying to pass laws to outlaw sex education.
So yes, I feel she is a hypocrite. Wanting to pass laws to prevent teen pregs, when she can't in her own home. Wanting to control other womens uterus, but wants the world to keave her kids alone.
What stupifies me is that you're calling this hypocrisy. As I said elsewhere, it doesn't matter which type of sex education Gov. Palin backs, her daughter DID NOT FOLLOW ANY OF IT.
How many other VP/Prez had kids who were unmarried high school teenage moms? I am aware of none. So the point may be moot - as it seems all other candidates managed to prevent their kids from being teen moms? Or seriously, any I missed from prior days [I don't know]
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