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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: nodeal on December 15, 2008, 06:07:48 PM
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i am 6'4 and weigh 215 pounds. am i seriously supposed to consume 215 grams of protein every day? seems like overkill to me. that's 1075 calories from protein alone, never mind carbs and fats. and then the fact that when your body breaks down protein, ammonia is a byproduct, it just seems like too much for your kidneys. also, im a natty, but do people on roids even need this amount? i doubt it. ive seen this 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight given on getbig so many times. it's very misleading, and personally i think its completely wrong. any thoughts on this??
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I've always heard consume over what you weigh so if you're 200 lbs. eat 300 grams that being said if I were gonna measure my protein I would try to eat for my goal weight so I weigh 215 now I would try and consume 220 or 225 grams, dunno if it really matters tho I've seen some starving ass indigenous peoples get some good size on next to nothing food and great genetics aside I think you'll grow over time if you just eat good foods and challenge your muscles. But I don't really measure my food, when I'm cutting I just eat portions of chicken, steak, fish, tuna (orange chicken from the mall, you know the basics) good carbs and anything green and when I'm bulking well ..... anything goes. And by the way F&@K protein powder if you haven't heard it's a waste of time and money.
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I would say more protein is important if you are dieting to perserve muscle mass at a restricted calorie diet
and carbs and fat are more important if trying to add size.
But I always consume alot of protein and use "supps" and have regular blood work done and
have yet to have any ill effects...lots of water to keep the kids clean.
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200-300 isn't really that much if you have 5-6 meals a day wiht supplementation and even 200-250 with 4 solid meals. I'm with iron dawg on his statement as well. Protien is always important..but it's CRUCIAL on a calorie restricted diet.
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i am 6'4 and weigh 215 pounds. am i seriously supposed to consume 215 grams of protein every day? seems like overkill to me. that's 1075 calories from protein alone, never mind carbs and fats. and then the fact that when your body breaks down protein, ammonia is a byproduct, it just seems like too much for your kidneys. also, im a natty, but do people on roids even need this amount? i doubt it. ive seen this 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight given on getbig so many times. it's very misleading, and personally i think its completely wrong. any thoughts on this??
Where did you learn to count?
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Eat the amount that equals your LEAN bodyweight,then eat a bit more!!
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any thoughts on this??
More debunked myths in a single post then I have seen in a long time. ::) See:
http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=113
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i am 6'4 and weigh 215 pounds. am i seriously supposed to consume 215 grams of protein every day? seems like overkill to me. if your a sedentary individual, then your supposed to consume 1 gram per pound lean body weight. if your a bodybuilder, then even more than that. most guys who take bodybuilding seriously will try to get 2 grams per pound total bodyweight(not lean bodyweight).
that's 1075 calories from protein alone, never mind carbs and fats. and then the fact that when your body breaks down protein, ammonia is a byproduct, it just seems like too much for your kidneys. healthy kidneys are nto damaged by protein intake. people with pre existing kidney problems should limit protein intake. but protein intake with healthy kidneys will NOT cause kidney problems.
also, im a natty, but do people on roids even need this amount? i doubt it.
people on steroids NEED less protein than naturals, because their bodys have much less protein breakdown and their protein recycling is alot more effecient as well as lilysis is increased because gluconeogensis is decreased.
ive seen this 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight given on getbig so many times. it's very misleading, and personally i think its completely wrong. any thoughts on this??my thoughts = you are misinformed, but hopefully youll pay attention and beccome correctly .informed
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i am 6'4 and weigh 215 pounds. am i seriously supposed to consume 215 grams of protein every day? seems like overkill to me. that's 1075 calories from protein alone, never mind carbs and fats. and then the fact that when your body breaks down protein, ammonia is a byproduct, it just seems like too much for your kidneys. also, im a natty, but do people on roids even need this amount? i doubt it. ive seen this 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight given on getbig so many times. it's very misleading, and personally i think its completely wrong. any thoughts on this??
How is it misleading? At 6'4, 215 lbs, 215 grams of protein (assuming that you're in decent shape) would be a BARE minimum. And, this whole issue of your being natural isn't really a factor. You need the higher protein, if you want substantial gains in size and strength. It took me over 300 grams of protein, back in college, just to GET TO 200 lbs (at 5'9"). And, all I could afford was weight gainer and milk & egg protein powder.
And as another poster stated, 215 grams of protein isn't that hard to consume. Heck, you can get half of that from two protein/weight-gainer shakes, with the remainder, easily obtained from regular food.
You have to ask yourself, are you really all that concerned about supposed kidney damage and what not, or is it a simple case of your simply not wanting to eat/drink that much food?
A certain cop-turned-multi-time-Olympia-winner has a saying: "Everybody want to be a bodybuilder; but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight". I'd say a similar thing applies to eating. They don't want to eat no "heavy-@$$" food, either (i.e. they don't want to consume eat or drink the quality and quantity of calories and nutrients, necessary to get big).
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I think it also has to do with what you are striving for the just everyday healthy look then no you wouldn't need to consume as
much protein why waste your time...
but if you are the serious mass builder or competitor then yes more protein is better for building and recovery.
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the RDA for a weight lifter is 0.8 times KG of bodyweight
so if you're 200 pounds,, 80 grams of protein is enough for you to gain muscle
don't listen to all the protein pushers, most the people on this site shove people down your throat because
they supplement companies have shoved it down their throat, it is absolutely unnecessary, when you lift weights
your body becomes more efficient in using protein, infact you don't even need more than 100 grams
if all you do is lift weights.
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the RDA for a weight lifter is 0.8 times KG of bodyweight
so if you're 200 pounds,, 80 grams of protein is enough for you to gain muscle
don't listen to all the protein pushers, most the people on this site shove people down your throat because
they supplement companies have shoved it down their throat, it is absolutely unnecessary, when you lift weights
your body becomes more efficient in using protein, infact you don't even need more than 100 grams
if all you do is lift weights.
Well that parts true anyway, but I wouldn't call protein unnecessary just supping it.
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i am 6'4 and weigh 215 pounds. am i seriously supposed to consume 215 grams of protein every day? seems like overkill to me. that's 1075 calories from protein alone, never mind carbs and fats. and then the fact that when your body breaks down protein, ammonia is a byproduct, it just seems like too much for your kidneys. also, im a natty, but do people on roids even need this amount? i doubt it. ive seen this 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight given on getbig so many times. it's very misleading, and personally i think its completely wrong. any thoughts on this??
hahahaahaa, you're complaining about eating 200 grams of protein a day? that's barely 2 pounds of meat over the course of a whole day, your appetite must be terrible.
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your appetite must be terrible.
As opposed to a certain someone else.
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As opposed to a certain someone else.
shit man i can't understand how some of you guys eat like fuccking birds and lift at the same time, shit makes me laugh complaining about eating 200 grams of protein, you should be aiming for twice that much.
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shit man i can't understand how some of you guys eat like fuccking birds and lift at the same time, shit makes me laugh complaining about eating 200 grams of protein, you should be aiming for twice that much.
As long as a McDonalds = available, Debussey = happy.
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shit man i can't understand how some of you guys eat like fuccking birds and lift at the same time, shit makes me laugh complaining about eating 200 grams of protein, you should be aiming for twice that much.
like I said on the other thread, you're a permabulker and probably obese, let me ask you, when people see you do they whisper "oooh look at him, he must workout" or do they whisper "that fatass should lose some fat" I'm going to bet my left nut that they say you're fat.
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Well that parts true anyway, but I wouldn't call protein unnecessary just supping it.
I never said it was unnecessary, I said that excessive protein was unnecessary, you have people on here eating 500 grams a day
it's stupid.
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I never said it was unnecessary, I said that excessive protein was unnecessary, you have people on here eating 500 grams a day
it's stupid.
no, your stupid. the rda is rediculous. it doesnt even cover the base protein turnover in sedentary individuals. rda isnt even minimum for HEALTHY DIET. moron. shut your mouth.
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no, your stupid. the rda is rediculous. it doesnt even cover the base protein turnover in sedentary individuals. rda isnt even minimum for HEALTHY DIET. moron. shut your mouth.
this is the guy I was talking about, here he comes pushing his 500 grams of protein a day :D ::)
Have you actually ever tried a diet below 400 grams? oh no, too scared of losing muscle mass?
you're juiced to the gills, the body of people on steroids can use more protein, naturals don't need that much anyways
didn't Lee Haney only get 200 grams of protein a day? and you get like 500 grams, how many Mr. Olympia's have you won
you piece of shit?
Maximum Daily Protein Requirement: US RDA recommends 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of ideal body weight per day. The UK Department of Health and Social Security is approximately the same.
Protein Needs for Athletes
Protein needs for people performing endurance training are about 1 to 1.2 g per kilo per day. For people performing resistance training or weight lifting, the protein RDA is generally adequate. This is because resistance training builds muscle and protein is used more efficiently.
Most people meet their daily protein requirements by many times over. In addition there is a misconception that a high protein diet is helpful for training. High protein diets do not help improve muscle strength or aid in training. In fact, high protein diets can be harmful to your health. There is far more risk to your health from high protein diet than from low protein diet.
Proteins have a high amount of nitrogen. When nitrogen is broken down in the liver it creates ammonia. Ammonia is poisonous. The increased level of ammonia in the body is harmful to cells and may decrease atheletic performance.
Stress on kidneys occurs when more than 2 grams per kilogram of ideal body weight per day is consumed.
High levels of protein intake require increased amount of vitamin B6. It is possible to become deficient in vitamin B6 while using a high protein diet.
Calcium loss, which leads to osteoporosis, occurs with high levels of protein intake.
The best thing to do is balance protein intake in the proper ration with carbohydrates and fats. The ratio of carbs-fat-protein varies from study to study but fits withing the following guidelines
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you dont even know what protein turnover is, do you?
healthy intake of protein for sedentary individuals = 1 g per pound of lean bodyweight. optimal protein intake for building muscle at fastest possible rate = 2 gram per pound total bodyweight.
and steroid users need less protein, not more. :-*
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you dont even know what protein turnover is, do you?
healthy intake of protein for sedentary individuals = 1 g per pound of lean bodyweight. optimal protein intake for building muscle at fastest possible rate = 2 gram per pound total bodyweight.
and steroid users need less protein, not more. :-*
I would like to see a study where it says
excess protein (more than required) = excess muscle growth
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that guy in the video is dumb.. i didnt even watch them, honestly..i saw somebody post a video from him in the positive board ad the guy is just rediculously retarded about nutrition..
and i didnt say you should eat EXCESS...i said you should eat 1 gram per pound lean body weight for health, and 2 grams total body weight for fastest possible mucle growth..and that is not excess intake that is sufficent intake.. :-*
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1gram per pound is about the limit for high intensity athletics.
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that guy in the video is dumb.. i didnt even watch them, honestly..i saw somebody post a video from him in the positive board ad the guy is just rediculously retarded about nutrition..
and i didnt say you should eat EXCESS...i said you should eat 1 gram per pound lean body weight for health, and 2 grams total body weight for fastest possible mucle growth..and that is not excess intake that is sufficent intake.. :-*
so you're so close minded that you won't give the man who has degrees in nutrition and human body biochemistry and is a great personal trainer and fitness coach
even a listen?
it's less than 2 minutes for each video, check it out, you might learn something.
plus he is jacked, and natural, not one of those twinks or fatties who think they know it all
he knows what he's talking about
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I would like to see a study where it says
excess protein (more than required) = excess muscle growth
brutal short shorts.
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I agree with you J Grey. 1 g per Kg of body weight. This is also the recommendation of the NSCA in the CSCS textbook, however I don't think a little extra would ever hurt anyone just not in excess.
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I agree with you J Grey. 1 g per Kg of body weight. This is also the recommendation of the NSCA in the CSCS textbook, however I don't think a little extra would ever hurt anyone just not in excess.
that's exactly what I get, 1 g per Kg
a little extra couldn't hurt but I wouldn't go out of my way to consume 500 grams everyday ::)
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so you're so close minded that you won't give the man who has degrees in nutrition and human body biochemistry and is a great personal trainer and fitness coach
even a listen?
it's less than 2 minutes for each video, check it out, you might learn something.
plus he is jacked, and natural, not one of those twinks or fatties who think they know it all
he knows what he's talking about
okay i listened to him. he doesnt know what hes talking about. look, i can show you some good info, but you have to promise that your going to accept soemthing, if its proven with science. okay?
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okay i listened to him. he doesnt know what hes talking about. look, i can show you some good info, but you have to promise that your going to accept soemthing, if its proven with science. okay?
I'm all ears :)
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okay...first of all, read this article on protien intake while dieting by anssi manninen(a highly eductaed and very well thought of nutritionist.)
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9
in that article take special note of this =
. high protein intake increases protein synthesis by increasing systemic amino acid availability [21], which is a potent stimulus of muscle protein synthesis [22].
21. Motil KJ, Matthews DE, Bier DM, Burke JF, Munro HN, Young VR: Whole-body leucine and lysine metabolism: response to dietary protein intake in young men.
Am J Physiol 1981, 240:E712-E721.
22. Paddon-Jones D, Sheffield-Moore M, Zhang XJ, Volpi E, Wolf SE, Aarsland A, Ferrando AA, Wolfe RR: Amino acid ingestion improves muscle protein synthesis in the young and elderly.
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2004, 286:E321-E328.
^^^ amino acid availablity is a POTENT stimuli of protein synthesis. that means that eating protein makes your body use more protein. :)
okay i will be back with much more for you.
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on the issue of the necessity of overeating calories for muscle growth =
The utilisation of both egg and polished rice protein in young men was about 30% higher and protein required to maintain N balance lower when fed at a calorie intake which was about 25% higher than that needed for maintenance (14). Similarly, when egg protein was fed at the “FAO/WHO 1973 safe level”, young men were in negative balance when their calorie intake was at maintenance level and they achieved positive balance only when calorie intakes were raised by 9 to 14% (15).
14. Inoue et al., J. Nutr., 103, 1673, 1973
15. Garza, C.G., Scrimshaw, N.S. and Young, V.R., Am.J.Clin.Nutr., 29, 280, 1976
^^ you will not grow without an excess of calories.
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on the point that meat protein is BETTER than powder protein=
biological value of chicken = 79.
biological value of beef= 69.
biological value of whey concentrate= 104.
biological value of whey isolate= 159.
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don't eggs have an extremely high bio availability for a natural food source
i guess that debunks the 'f**k protein powders' mentality some on this board have
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http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf
^^^^ optimal protein intake. all of it is supported by science and studies. thats done by layne norton, who, in my opinion, is on his way to becoming the worlds leading expert in protein metabolism.
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don't eggs have an extremely high bio availability for a natural food source
i guess that debunks the 'f**k protein powders' mentality some on this board have
whole eggs have biological value of 100. the best of a natural source. however, as i showed above, whey concentrate has a bio value of 104, and whey isolate has a bio value of 159. both better than egg(the best natural source of protein)
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honestly the people that find it necessary to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight are the same people who think it's necessary to do a 25 set bicep workout. it seems most of you (with the exception of a few level-headed people here) need to calm down. you're getting so wrapped up in optimizing growth for your precious muscles that you forget where to draw the line.
did somebody state that the RDA is a joke? new one on me. pretty bold statement. im sure they could learn a lot from your professional knowledge on consumption of macro molecules.
take the chicken out of your mouth and think for a second. have you forgotten what the average person's diet looks like? a lot of people do not even reach the RDA for protein, without any signs that they are not consuming enough. i have seen people who dont know shit about dieting gain a decent amount of mass from just lifting weights and consuming wayyyy less than your oh so accurate calculations of 1 gram per pound minimum.
my protein intake exceeds RDA, definitely, but i do not always meet the supposed minimum of 1 gram per pound, and honestly do not think it's necessary.
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honestly the people that find it necessary to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight are the same people who think it's necessary to do a 25 set bicep workout. it seems most of you (with the exception of a few level-headed people here) need to calm down. you're getting so wrapped up in optimizing growth for your precious muscles that you forget where to draw the line.
did somebody state that the RDA is a joke? new one on me. pretty bold statement. im sure they could learn a lot from your professional knowledge on consumption of macro molecules.
take the chicken out of your mouth and think for a second. have you forgotten what the average person's diet looks like? a lot of people do not even reach the RDA for protein, without any signs that they are not consuming enough. i have seen people who dont know shit about dieting gain a decent amount of mass from just lifting weights and consuming wayyyy less than your oh so accurate calculations of 1 gram per pound minimum.
my protein intake exceeds RDA, definitely, but i do not always meet the supposed minimum of 1 gram per pound, and honestly do not think it's necessary.
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf
^^^^ optimal protein intake. all of it is supported by science and studies. thats done by layne norton, who, in my opinion, is on his way to becoming the worlds leading expert in protein metabolism.
okay...first of all, read this article on protien intake while dieting by anssi manninen(a highly eductaed and very well thought of nutritionist.)
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9
in that article take special note of this =
. high protein intake increases protein synthesis by increasing systemic amino acid availability [21], which is a potent stimulus of muscle protein synthesis [22].
21. Motil KJ, Matthews DE, Bier DM, Burke JF, Munro HN, Young VR: Whole-body leucine and lysine metabolism: response to dietary protein intake in young men.
Am J Physiol 1981, 240:E712-E721.
22. Paddon-Jones D, Sheffield-Moore M, Zhang XJ, Volpi E, Wolf SE, Aarsland A, Ferrando AA, Wolfe RR: Amino acid ingestion improves muscle protein synthesis in the young and elderly.
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2004, 286:E321-E328.
^^^ amino acid availablity is a POTENT stimuli of protein synthesis. that means that eating protein makes your body use more protein. :)
okay i will be back with much more for you.
on the issue of the necessity of overeating calories for muscle growth =
The utilisation of both egg and polished rice protein in young men was about 30% higher and protein required to maintain N balance lower when fed at a calorie intake which was about 25% higher than that needed for maintenance (14). Similarly, when egg protein was fed at the “FAO/WHO 1973 safe level”, young men were in negative balance when their calorie intake was at maintenance level and they achieved positive balance only when calorie intakes were raised by 9 to 14% (15).
14. Inoue et al., J. Nutr., 103, 1673, 1973
15. Garza, C.G., Scrimshaw, N.S. and Young, V.R., Am.J.Clin.Nutr., 29, 280, 1976
^^ you will not grow without an excess of calories.
on the point that meat protein is BETTER than powder protein=
biological value of chicken = 79.
biological value of beef= 69.
biological value of whey concentrate= 104.
biological value of whey isolate= 159.
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haha your pro-poultry gospels do little to persuade.
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More debunked myths in a single post then I have seen in a long time. ::) See:
http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=113
Great Article will.
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haha your pro-poultry gospels do little to persuade.
Hydrolyzed protein is my choice, not chicken. :-*
anyway, the scientific and the anecdotal evidence bth strongly support high protein intake for ALL individuals, not just athletes and bodybuilders. Protien is essential for healthy body.
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it's just the meaning of high protein intake that i do not agree with. should you consume above RDA? yes. but 2 grams per pound of bodyweight? im not going to shove food into my mouth in order to reach a numerical value of protein consumption in fear of otherwise not growing. that is when bodybuilding begins to lose its enjoyment.
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it's just the meaning of high protein intake that i do not agree with. should you consume above RDA? yes. but 2 grams per pound of bodyweight? im not going to shove food into my mouth in order to reach a numerical value of protein consumption in fear of otherwise not growing. that is when bodybuilding begins to lose its enjoyment.
i dont do that either, i just eat a big chunk of meat at every meal, maybe 12-16 ounces, eat 5-6 meals a day, and drink a few scoops of whey before, during, and after i workout. now thats in the offseason of cuorse, when im dieting, i cut the meat to about 8-12 ounces, and only have whey pre workout.
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honestly the people that find it necessary to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight are the same people who think it's necessary to do a 25 set bicep workout. it seems most of you (with the exception of a few level-headed people here) need to calm down. you're getting so wrapped up in optimizing growth for your precious muscles that you forget where to draw the line.
did somebody state that the RDA is a joke? new one on me. pretty bold statement. im sure they could learn a lot from your professional knowledge on consumption of macro molecules.
take the chicken out of your mouth and think for a second. have you forgotten what the average person's diet looks like? a lot of people do not even reach the RDA for protein, without any signs that they are not consuming enough. i have seen people who dont know shit about dieting gain a decent amount of mass from just lifting weights and consuming wayyyy less than your oh so accurate calculations of 1 gram per pound minimum.
my protein intake exceeds RDA, definitely, but i do not always meet the supposed minimum of 1 gram per pound, and honestly do not think it's necessary.
Exactly, an average person's diet barely ever meets the RDA
I have seen how people eat, maybe tbombz has forgotten how normal people eat?
1 gram per Kg about 0.5 gram per pound is enough
I'm not going out of my way to consume 500 grams of protein everyday
for those who are "living the dream" so be it ::)
tbombz, you're not Ronnie Coleman.
and the study that you showed me is from very low calorie diets, and the effect of protein
you know the less than 800 calorie diets ::)
it doesn't prove anything, I said excess protein doesn't help, the amount that you get on a VLCD is enough, not excessive.
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Okay everyone good points, now what powder do you take tbombz?
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a gram of protein per pound of body weight? i dont think so...
i am 6'4 and weigh 215 pounds.
the mystery is solved
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Exactly, an average person's diet barely ever meets the RDA
I have seen how people eat, maybe tbombz has forgotten how normal people eat?
this point is moot. so what , what normal people eat? we are not making recommendations based off of what is the norm. thats not how its done. we make recommendations based off of what is optimal, and backed by science.
1 gram per Kg about 0.5 gram per pound is enough
no its not, not even for a "healty diet", let alone enough to be optimal for protein synthesis (hypertophy, growth, :-* ). .5gram per pound does not even cover base protein turn over. you do know that they are ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS, rght? lol
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Okay everyone good points, now what powder do you take tbombz?
right now im going to buy some PEPTOPRO which is a hydrolysed caseinate...hydrlyzed proteins are normally VERY bitter..but they are the best proteins availbale, at the moment, as they have the very fastest digestion rat epossible because thay are broken down into small peptides which are rapidly digested much quicker than a normal whey isolate. this pepto pro is a hydrolyzed protein, except its NOT bitter. its pricey though, cheapest ive found is 25 per pound on trueprotein.com. i always enrinch my protein powder with about 20% l-leucine.
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http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf
^^^^ optimal protein intake. all of it is supported by science and studies. thats done by layne norton, who, in my opinion, is on his way to becoming the worlds leading expert in protein metabolism.
Not trying to be a smarta$$ but isn't he backed by scivation, and wouldn't that mean of course he would say that?
I understand protein is important for muscle growth and all but the only supplementation of protein I have right now is one shake first thing in the morning with about 50 grams dymatize (for the blend) mainly for taste cause I add about 5 extra grams of l-leucine, a serving of creatine gluconate, a serving of beta alanine and a serving of l-glutamine. I'm not an olympia winner or anything but in about 3 years I have put on about 28 lbs. (give or take) of lean mass.
I have played around with supps/protein and have found that most of the time they are a waste of time and money and I call them 1 percenters because IMO that's all they help. I currently weigh 215 and am about 18% bodyfat I only supp about 60 grams of protein and probably only eat 200 in whole food i have been taking this shake in the morning for about 6 months now (mainly trying to use up what I have bought) and I feel like I'm still making gains.
I only add this info cause I'm looking for you're input, so again not trying to be a smarta$$.
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i dont do that either, i just eat a big chunk of meat at every meal, maybe 12-16 ounces, eat 5-6 meals a day, and drink a few scoops of whey before, during, and after i workout. now thats in the offseason of cuorse, when im dieting, i cut the meat to about 8-12 ounces, and only have whey pre workout.
this is overkill. give some of that meat to the homeless.
right now im going to buy some PEPTOPRO which is a hydrolysed caseinate...hydrlyzed proteins are normally VERY bitter..but they are the best proteins availbale, at the moment, as they have the very fastest digestion rat epossible because thay are broken down into small peptides which are rapidly digested much quicker than a normal whey isolate. this pepto pro is a hydrolyzed protein, except its NOT bitter. its pricey though, cheapest ive found is 25 per pound on trueprotein.com. i always enrinch my protein powder with about 20% l-leucine.
you are a supplement company's dream come true. sounds to me like you take the labels on the back of protein powder packages as gospel.
this point is moot. so what , what normal people eat? we are not making recommendations based off of what is the norm. thats not how its done. we make recommendations based off of what is optimal, and backed by science.
no its not, not even for a "healty diet", let alone enough to be optimal for protein synthesis (hypertophy, growth, :-* ). .5gram per pound does not even cover base protein turn over. you do know that they are ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS, rght? lol
60%, 25%, 15% carb, protein, fat ratios in every meal, and as a cumulative ratio for your whole day. "essential" does not mean that you must consume a gross excess.
Exactly, an average person's diet barely ever meets the RDA
I have seen how people eat, maybe tbombz has forgotten how normal people eat?
1 gram per Kg about 0.5 gram per pound is enough
I'm not going out of my way to consume 500 grams of protein everyday
for those who are "living the dream" so be it ::)
tbombz, you're not Ronnie Coleman.
and the study that you showed me is from very low calorie diets, and the effect of protein
you know the less than 800 calorie diets ::)
it doesn't prove anything, I said excess protein doesn't help, the amount that you get on a VLCD is enough, not excessive.
yep, right on. too many gym enthusiasts think life is one big mr. olympia competition. stick with the food pyramid, optimal health is not a big secret. consume calories as needed, either by feel or professional assessment. it's these pro-protein fools who make ridiculous claims and complicate it for everyone else.
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this is overkill. give some of that meat to the homeless.
you are a supplement company's dream come true. sounds to me like you take the labels on the back of protein powder packages as gospel.
60%, 25%, 15% carb, protein, fat ratios in every meal, and as a cumulative ratio for your whole day. "essential" does not mean that you must consume a gross excess.
yep, right on. too many gym enthusiasts think life is one big mr. olympia competition. stick with the food pyramid, optimal health is not a big secret. consume calories as needed, either by feel or professional assessment. it's these pro-protein fools who make ridiculous claims and complicate it for everyone else.
Nobody is forcing you to eat this way. If you haven't noticed this is a bodybuilding forum. The majority here consume an abundance of protein everyday. There is science backing up tbombz statements...if you don't like it tough shit.
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Not trying to be a smarta$$ but isn't he backed by scivation, and wouldn't that mean of course he would say that?
I understand protein is important for muscle growth and all but the only supplementation of protein I have right now is one shake first thing in the morning with about 50 grams dymatize (for the blend) mainly for taste cause I add about 5 extra grams of l-leucine, a serving of creatine gluconate, a serving of beta alanine and a serving of l-glutamine. I'm not an olympia winner or anything but in about 3 years I have put on about 28 lbs. (give or take) of lean mass.
I have played around with supps/protein and have found that most of the time they are a waste of time and money and I call them 1 percenters because IMO that's all they help. I currently weigh 215 and am about 18% bodyfat I only supp about 60 grams of protein and probably only eat 200 in whole food i have been taking this shake in the morning for about 6 months now (mainly trying to use up what I have bought) and I feel like I'm still making gains.
I only add this info cause I'm looking for you're input, so again not trying to be a smarta$$.
okay well i think that 260 is oky... if you lok at layne nortons presentation above he only has a 200lber eating something like 230 g a day.... if you look at his presentation it shows the amount of protein needed from each source of prtotein in order to maximize protein synthesis..i would go with what layne recommends.. which is a meal every 4-6 hours with protein ranging from 40-60 grams dpending on the source..
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stick with the food pyramid,
there you go..thank you...now i dont have to worrying about replying to your posts anymore. the only reason i was doing so was to make sure those who want the accurate info would know that what you saying is untrue...now that youve should yourself to all readers to be a know-nothing in regards to nutrition ("stick to the food pyramid")...i no longer gotta worry about peoplethinking what you say is accurate... :-*
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Nobody is forcing you to eat this way. If you haven't noticed this is a bodybuilding forum. The majority here consume an abundance of protein everyday. There is science backing up tbombz statements...if you don't like it tough shit.
where is the science?
science supports my statement not his
show me a study where excessive protein consumpion = excessive muscle growth
anything more than what you need 1g per kg is a waste
no tbombz you can't show studies of people eating 600 calories ::)
it's not excessive protein, it's essential.
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where is the science?
science supports my statement not his
show me a study where excessive protein consumpion = excessive muscle growth
anything more than what you need 1g per kg is a waste
no tbombz you can't show studies of people eating 600 calories ::)
it's not excessive protein, it's essential.
i didnt show studies of people eting 600 calories. the study i showed abou caloric intake showed that without a caloric intake at least a 15% SURPLUS OVER BASE METABOLIC RATE, you wont reatin nitrogen (YOU WONT GROW)
i posted numerous proofs of high protien intake. you choose not to take notice. the proof is right there for all to see. its your choice to be WRONG. you can be right, if only you choose to acknowledge that there is proff. its you who choose to ignore the proof, thus you CHOOSE TO BE WRONG. :-*
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Nobody is forcing you to eat this way. If you haven't noticed this is a bodybuilding forum. The majority here consume an abundance of protein everyday. There is science backing up tbombz statements...if you don't like it tough shit.
wow, compelling.
im contributing to the forum discussion. wait, i started this discussion.
there you go..thank you...now i dont have to worrying about replying to your posts anymore. the only reason i was doing so was to make sure those who want the accurate info would know that what you saying is untrue...now that youve should yourself to all readers to be a know-nothing in regards to nutrition ("stick to the food pyramid")...i no longer gotta worry about peoplethinking what you say is accurate... :-*
haha yeah i really incriminated myself with that one, didnt i? the food pyramid, who would believe that? dieting and optimal health HAS to be more complicated than the food pyramid, otherwise it must be wrong! your thinking on nutrition is revolutionary i should have known better. 500 grams of protein and 30 set chest workouts = REAL RESULTS. best of luck to you mr. olypmia ::)
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i didnt show studies of people eting 600 calories. the study i showed abou caloric intake showed that without a caloric intake at least a 15% SURPLUS OVER BASE METABOLIC RATE, you wont reatin nitrogen (YOU WONT GROW)
i posted numerous proofs of high protien intake. you choose not to take notice. the proof is right there for all to see. its your choice to be WRONG. you can be right, if only you choose to acknowledge that there is proff. its you who choose to ignore the proof, thus you CHOOSE TO BE WRONG. :-*
The first study you posted was about the muscle sparing effect that protein had on people on a VLCD eating 600 calories
and getting like 100 grams of protein
anyways, let me get this straight, now you're saying that gaining muscle without a calorie surplus is impossible?
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wow, compelling.
im contributing to the forum discussion. wait, i started this discussion.
haha yeah i really incriminated myself with that one, didnt i? the food pyramid, who would believe that? dieting and optimal health HAS to be more complicated than the food pyramid, otherwise it must be wrong! your thinking on nutrition is revolutionary i should have known better. 500 grams of protein and 30 set chest workouts = REAL RESULTS. best of luck to you mr. olypmia ::)
what a character this tbag is, he doesn't realize that he is just another gym rat on steroids and that he will never make it
this is probably why he keeps telling himself that success in the pro league is all about drugs and not genetics.
keep telling yourself that tbag.
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wow, compelling.
im contributing to the forum discussion. wait, i started this discussion.
haha yeah i really incriminated myself with that one, didnt i? the food pyramid, who would believe that? dieting and optimal health HAS to be more complicated than the food pyramid, otherwise it must be wrong! your thinking on nutrition is revolutionary i should have known better. 500 grams of protein and 30 set chest workouts = REAL RESULTS. best of luck to you mr. olypmia ::)
the food pyramid is a joke. it was created based on what most people consumed, not based off of what is best for health. think about it, its really simple, carbohydrates are ahead of fruits and vegetables? huh? fats and meats at toward the top? the only two ESSENTIAL nutrients are EXXENTIAL FATTY ACIDS and ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS..yet these two essential hnutriants are much less important than NON ESSENTIAL, LOW IN VITAMINS AND NUTRIENTS, HIGHLY ACIDIC, CARBOHYDRATES?
do you have any idea what protein turnover is? ive asked you that a million times and you dont respond. the sedentray individual, with noe xercise at all, is constantly using protein. if you not eating protein, the bod has t use its own protein. over time this leads to reduction in muscle mass and degradation of health (loss of key amino acids)...
son you need to open your mind and listen to those who are more knowldgeable thna yourself.
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The first study you posted was about the muscle sparing effect that protein had on people on a VLCD eating 600 calories
and getting like 100 grams of protein
anyways, let me get this straight, now you're saying that gaining muscle without a calorie surplus is impossible?
on the issue of the necessity of overeating calories for muscle growth =
The utilisation of both egg and polished rice protein in young men was about 30% higher and protein required to maintain N balance lower when fed at a calorie intake which was about 25% higher than that needed for maintenance (14). Similarly, when egg protein was fed at the “FAO/WHO 1973 safe level”, young men were in negative balance when their calorie intake was at maintenance level and they achieved positive balance only when calorie intakes were raised by 9 to 14% (15).
14. Inoue et al., J. Nutr., 103, 1673, 1973
15. Garza, C.G., Scrimshaw, N.S. and Young, V.R., Am.J.Clin.Nutr., 29, 280, 1976
^^ you will not grow without an excess of calories.
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the food pyramid is a joke. it was created based on what most people consumed, not based off of what is best for health. think about it, its really simple, carbohydrates are ahead of fruits and vegetables? huh? fats and meats at toward the top? the only two ESSENTIAL nutrients are EXXENTIAL FATTY ACIDS and ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS..yet these two essential hnutriants are much less important than NON ESSENTIAL, LOW IN VITAMINS AND NUTRIENTS, HIGHLY ACIDIC, CARBOHYDRATES?
do you have any idea what protein turnover is? ive asked you that a million times and you dont respond. the sedentray individual, with noe xercise at all, is constantly using protein. if you not eating protein, the bod has t use its own protein. over time this leads to reduction in muscle mass and degradation of health (loss of key amino acids)...
son you need to open your mind and listen to those who are more knowldgeable thna yourself.
oh yes your amazing protein turnover ::)
protein is always breaking down and rebuilding, and 1 gram per Kg is more than enough to shift the nitrogen balance so you're gaining protein not losing it.
I know people who have not taken an Omega supplement their whole lives, how essential is it really when 90% of the population
gets less than 100 mg
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oh yes your amazing protein turnover ::)
protein is always breaking down and rebuilding, and 1 gram per Kg is more than enough to shift the nitrogen balance so you're gaining protein not losing it.
I know people who have not taken an Omega supplement their whole lives, how essential is it really when 90% of the population
gets less than 100 mg
::) oh brother.
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You have the appetite of a little girl. I never had a problem eating a ton of protein because I have two working testicles. But if you hate the feeling of being stuffed like a turkey, throw in a fat lip of skoal after you feed and you will feel better.
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You have the appetite of a little girl. I never had a problem eating a ton of protein because I have two working testicles. But if you hate the feeling of being stuffed like a turkey, throw in a fat lip of skoal after you feed and you will feel better.
haha youre so cool and insightful. PM me and elaborate on how i can be more like you.
the food pyramid is a joke. it was created based on what most people consumed, not based off of what is best for health. think about it, its really simple, carbohydrates are ahead of fruits and vegetables? huh? fats and meats at toward the top? the only two ESSENTIAL nutrients are EXXENTIAL FATTY ACIDS and ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS..yet these two essential hnutriants are much less important than NON ESSENTIAL, LOW IN VITAMINS AND NUTRIENTS, HIGHLY ACIDIC, CARBOHYDRATES?
do you have any idea what protein turnover is? ive asked you that a million times and you dont respond. the sedentray individual, with noe xercise at all, is constantly using protein. if you not eating protein, the bod has t use its own protein. over time this leads to reduction in muscle mass and degradation of health (loss of key amino acids)...
son you need to open your mind and listen to those who are more knowldgeable thna yourself.
haha are you kidding? the food pyramid was built around what everyone consumes? if that was the case, obesity would not be an issue. the food pyramid was created as a pictorial demonstration of the basics for a good, healthy, well rounded diet. it incorporates everything needed to reach and maintain optimum health (excluding exercise, of course), and shows all these things in the proper ratio. how can you misinterpret an illustration so badly? its designed for little kids to understand.
the carbs that are the foundation for the food pyramid are intended to be mostly whole grain foods. since when are whole grain foods low in nutrients? why are you demonizing carbs? you have the dieting expertise of a misguided middle aged woman on an atkins diet. 60% of calories should be consumed through carbohydrates because it is the cleanest burning source of energy (when broken down gives you CO2 + H20 + energy with no byproducts). the food pyramid leaves plenty of room for a plentiful consumption of fruits and veggies (suggesting 2-4 servings of fruit and 3-5 of veggies, much more than what the avg person consumes), furthering the amount of vitamins and minerals consumed. as a bodybuilder, following the ratios of the food pyramid is the way to go, consuming just a bit more protein than recommended, and consuming more calories overall in the 60:25:15 (give or take 5 for each) ratio.
by the way, your "DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT PROTEIN TURNOVER IS HUH??" bullshit doesnt help your credibility.
you know what, i suggest you keep a closed mind. you seem to either understand the wrong information, or interpret the right information in a deficient manner. do everyone a favor and keep your "knowledge" to yourself.
oh yes your amazing protein turnover ::)
protein is always breaking down and rebuilding, and 1 gram per Kg is more than enough to shift the nitrogen balance so you're gaining protein not losing it.
I know people who have not taken an Omega supplement their whole lives, how essential is it really when 90% of the population
gets less than 100 mg
J Grey, some people just do not understand the 101 basics of things, and just become obsessed/sucked in by whatever crap they can feed into their brain. some people also arent good at filtering the information they read through common sense or experience. lucky for us we arent one of them.
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you are a waste of my time... i have proved the point by posting science that proves my point... im done trying to convice you that you would be better off eating more protein.... its your choice, and you choose t be wrong.. bye bye now :-*
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Taylor, I'm just curious...how would you explain someone who weighs say 235-240lbs & only eats on average say 175 grams of protein a day & is doing just fine?
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where is the science?
science supports my statement not his
show me a study where excessive protein consumpion = excessive muscle growth
anything more than what you need 1g per kg is a waste
no tbombz you can't show studies of people eating 600 calories ::)
it's not excessive protein, it's essential.
One thing I will say (coming from the middle ground btw) is that no doctor or scientist will ever do studies regarding how much protein a bb should take except for a bb/scientist/doctor because they don't consider our lifestyle healthy. We take growth to the extreme and we all know that it's unnatural that's why our bodies will eventually revert back to our baseline size without maintaining our exercise routine. And being that we want extra extra EXTRA size on our muscles it is only natural that we should eat more FOOD , food is what makes us grow even if we don't work out and protein is without a doubt the most important food for muscle recovery (equaling growth.)
Those who attempt to argue with tbombz using current science from "The food pyramid" is a little counter productive to me trying to convince a 200 lb. person who is suggesting that 400 grams of protein is ok, the fact is that it is a bit of overkill and is not necessary for growth as countless people have put on some nice size without it (but not without the juice ;D.)
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Taylor, I'm just curious...how would you explain someone who weighs say 235-240lbs & only eats on average say 175 grams of protein a day & is doing just fine?
"A little extra protein would have caused that much more growth....." would be his argument. And currently there is very little evidene either way to convince one side or the other of this argument other than the obvious science that food causes growth. Not to start another debate... hopefully. This can be backed up by the fact that animals from the past which are now extinct and current species as well have reached remarkable sizes with the only differences being high oxygen levels and limitless sources of food.
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LIFT... EAT... REST... REPEAT !! :)
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Getting the Grams per day is easy, As most people on this board can woof down 200-300 grams of protein in a single sitting. The hard part is eating 40-50 grams every 3 hours. Eating huge amounts of protein in a single sitting is wasteful, as your body can only break down so much per sitting. If you are serious about making some serious gains, I would recommend putting your focus on 40-50 grams every 3 hours, rather than 200-300 grams per day.
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okay well i think that 260 is oky... if you lok at layne nortons presentation above he only has a 200lber eating something like 230 g a day.... if you look at his presentation it shows the amount of protein needed from each source of prtotein in order to maximize protein synthesis..i would go with what layne recommends.. which is a meal every 4-6 hours with protein ranging from 40-60 grams dpending on the source..
I think Layne is right on with this, and if u stick with this, your gains will keep on coming bro!!!!
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"A little extra protein would have caused that much more growth....." would be his argument.
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I think Layne is right on with this, and if u stick with this, your gains will keep on coming bro!!!!
so do i
i just got another 8 pounds of whey iso 80% + 20% leucine today 8)
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Getting the Grams per day is easy, As most people on this board can woof down 200-300 grams of protein in a single sitting. The hard part is eating 40-50 grams every 3 hours. Eating huge amounts of protein in a single sitting is wasteful, as your body can only break down so much per sitting. If you are serious about making some serious gains, I would recommend putting your focus on 40-50 grams every 3 hours, rather than 200-300 grams per day.
darksol, I appreciate the theory, but what about sucessful people with demanding careers? Should they interrupt board meetingd to ge their 40.9230497823g of protein every 2.3434hrs?
I see many guys at 250+ who eat 4 times a day. Lean and pushing amazing poundages.
What I'm saying is that you're overthinking the whole thing.
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darksol, I appreciate the theory, but what about sucessful people with demanding careers? Should they interrupt board meetingd to ge their 40.9230497823g of protein every 2.3434hrs?
I see many guys at 250+ who eat 4 times a day. Lean and pushing amazing poundages.
What I'm saying is that you're overthinking the whole thing.
those guys eat big meals and tend to like foods like steak, burgers, ribs, chicken sammiches..etc etc etc... id bet they eaisly get 300 grams per day..
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darksol, I appreciate the theory, but what about sucessful people with demanding careers? Should they interrupt board meetingd to ge their 40.9230497823g of protein every 2.3434hrs?
I see many guys at 250+ who eat 4 times a day. Lean and pushing amazing poundages.
What I'm saying is that you're overthinking the whole thing.
True.
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those guys eat big meals and tend to like foods like steak, burgers, ribs, chicken sammiches..etc etc etc... id bet they eaisly get 300 grams per day..
yeah, id bet. ::)
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yeah, id bet. ::)
tbombz is making shit way too complicated than it has to be.
Just get some protein in your diet, eat normally and push some heavy ass weights, rest, repeat, it's that simple.
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darksol, I appreciate the theory, but what about sucessful people with demanding careers? Should they interrupt board meetingd to ge their 40.9230497823g of protein every 2.3434hrs?
I see many guys at 250+ who eat 4 times a day. Lean and pushing amazing poundages.
What I'm saying is that you're overthinking the whole thing.
exactly, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you're eating 3 or 7 meals a day as long as you're eating a sufficient amount of protein and calories, this every 2 hour bullshit is just a gimmick to sell protein supplements.
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exactly, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you're eating 3 or 7 meals a day as long as you're eating a sufficient amount of protein and calories, this every 2 hour bullshit is just a gimmick to sell protein supplements.
are you saying that tbombz by any chance is a protein pusher?
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no way ::)
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exactly, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you're eating 3 or 7 meals a day as long as you're eating a sufficient amount of protein and calories, this every 2 hour bullshit is just a gimmick to sell protein supplements.
its every three hours...and no it was based on the best science available at the time..but now we know that its actually better to eat every 4-6 hours.. so basically 4 meals a day is probably best depending on how long your awake..
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Exactly, an average person's diet barely ever meets the RDA
I have seen how people eat, maybe tbombz has forgotten how normal people eat?
1 gram per Kg about 0.5 gram per pound is enough
I'm not going out of my way to consume 500 grams of protein everyday
for those who are "living the dream" so be it ::)
tbombz, you're not Ronnie Coleman.
and the study that you showed me is from very low calorie diets, and the effect of protein
you know the less than 800 calorie diets ::)
it doesn't prove anything, I said excess protein doesn't help, the amount that you get on a VLCD is enough, not excessive.
Who exactly is insisting that you eat 500 grams of protein per day?
I don't recall seeing Tbombz saying anything to that effect (unless, I missed a post of his).
The bottom line is that "enough" is not a magic number. It's the amount of protein it takes for YOUR body to repair your muscles from training and get them to grow.
If that amount is 215, so be it; if it's 315, so be it.
darksol, I appreciate the theory, but what about sucessful people with demanding careers? Should they interrupt board meetingd to ge their 40.9230497823g of protein every 2.3434hrs?
I see many guys at 250+ who eat 4 times a day. Lean and pushing amazing poundages.
What I'm saying is that you're overthinking the whole thing.
You forget that plenty of trainers who post here have regular jobs. You don't need to interrupt board meetings to consume protein (that's why RTDs and protein shakes exist). How hard is it to grab a bottle of Isopure or mix a shaker of Myoplex BEFORE A MEETING, and consume it while your co-workers are downing coffee and soda in their respective mugs?
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Who exactly is insisting that you eat 500 grams of protein per day?
I don't recall seeing Tbombz saying anything to that effect (unless, I missed a post of his).
The bottom line is that "enough" is not a magic number. It's the amount of protein it takes for YOUR body to repair your muscles from training and get them to grow.
If that amount is 215, so be it; if it's 315, so be it.
You forget that plenty of trainers who post here have regular jobs. You don't need to interrupt board meetings to consume protein (that's why RTDs and protein shakes exist). How hard is it to grab a bottle of Isopure or mix a shaker of Myoplex BEFORE A MEETING, and consume it while your co-workers are downing coffee and soda in their respective mugs?
he recommends 2 grams per pound of bodyweight, and eats 500 grams atleast everyday
how do you explain guys who get about 130 grams of protein but are jacked?
he's a classic case of a protein pusher.
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how do you explain guys who get about 130 grams of protein but are jacked?
go talk to any guy who is huge, he eats a fuckin lot of protein.
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he recommends 2 grams per pound of bodyweight, and eats 500 grams atleast everyday
how do you explain guys who get about 130 grams of protein but are jacked?
he's a classic case of a protein pusher.
classic case indeed. makes you wanna slam your head into a wall. or his.
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go talk to any guy who is huge, he eats a fuckin lot of protein.
exactly, either "j grey" has a pitiful idea od what "jacked" is or the person he THINKS is eating 130 pusssy ass grams is REALLY eating a lot more.
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exactly, either "j grey" has a pitiful idea od what "jacked" is or the person he THINKS is eating 130 pusssy ass grams is REALLY eating a lot more.
not a personal attack but
dude, you're nealy 40 years old and you're still permabulking, shouldn't you cut some fat instead of stuffing yourself with food?
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not a personal attack but
dude, you're nealy 40 years old and you're still permabulking, shouldn't you cut some fat instead of stuffing yourself with food?
200 grams of protein is "stuffing yourself with food"? that's only 800 calories, you must be skinny and weak as shit.
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200 grams of protein is "stuffing yourself with food"? that's only 800 calories, you must be skinny and weak as shit.
200 grams isn't stuffing yourself
I was just saying that you should stop stuffig yourself with food not protein ;D
I'm plenty strong and big by the way
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200 grams isn't stuffing yourself
I was just saying that you should stop stuffig yourself with food not protein ;D
I'm plenty strong and big by the way
so who are these "jacked" guys who supposedly eat only 130 grams/day of protein?
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exactly, at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you're eating 3 or 7 meals a day as long as you're eating a sufficient amount of protein and calories, this every 2 hour bullshit is just a gimmick to sell protein supplements.
exactly! probably the best information on this thread.
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exactly! probably the best information on this thread.
i have an alotted amount of food i like to eat for the day and it usually takes me 4 meals to get it in, if i have to leave a meal short due to work or family matters i just eat it with my other food at my other meals, at the end of the day as long as it's all eaten i don't stress about it.
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i have an alotted amount of food i like to eat for the day and it usually takes me 4 meals to get it in, if i have to leave a meal short due to work or family matters i just eat it with my other food at my other meals, at the end of the day as long as it's all eaten i don't stress about it.
maybe you don't notice but you're obese, missing meals is last of your problems!
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i have an alotted amount of food i like to eat for the day and it usually takes me 4 meals to get it in, if i have to leave a meal short due to work or family matters i just eat it with my other food at my other meals, at the end of the day as long as it's all eaten i don't stress about it.
4 meals is good, maybe even optimal, but IMO i really do believe that 3 meals is too few, and that 4 meals really will provide better results than just 3,, or even worse 2 or 1 meal a day. i mean, i have never tried 3 meals out for an extended period of time to really know if itsa any worse, but just looking at the idea from a distance, im pretty damn sure that its a goddamn certainty that 3 meals is less optimal than 4
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4 meals is good, maybe even optimal, but IMO i really do believe that 3 meals is too few, and that 4 meals really will provide better results than just 3,, or even worse 2 or 1 meal a day. i mean, i have never tried 3 meals out for an extended period of time to really know if itsa any worse, but just looking at the idea from a distance, im pretty damn sure that its a goddamn certainty that 3 meals is less optimal than 4
3 meals has the same effect on the body as 10 meals,
Granted the total nutrition value of the day is equal.
Hope this helps.
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3 meals has the same effect on the body as 10 meals,
Granted the total nutrition value of the day is equal.
Hope this helps.
you can only release somuch nutrients into the bl;ood at one time without causing unnecessary fat stores...and the total amount of nutrients you CAN release into teh blood stream (taking into condiseration all variables including rate of digestion of different nutrients) is not enough total nutrients to keep you in a "fed state" for as long as would be needed to fill the gap inbetween 3 maeals, granted you were awake for a decent amount of hours.
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you can only release somuch nutrients into the bl;ood at one time without causing unnecessary fat stores...and the total amount of nutrients you CAN release into teh blood stream (taking into condiseration all variables including rate of digestion of different nutrients) is not enough total nutrients to keep you in a "fed state" for as long as would be needed to fill the gap inbetween 3 maeals, granted you were awake for a decent amount of hours.
you know, with your "you gotta eat at least 4 meals a day" and "you gotta consume 354849526 grams of protein to be healthy" bullshit, its really apparent that you grossly underestimate the efficiency of the human body.
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you know, with your "you gotta eat at least 4 meals a day" and "you gotta consume 354849526 grams of protein to be healthy" bullshit, its really apparent that you grossly underestimate the efficiency of the human body.
I would have to agree with you. People tend to make it way more complex then it has to be. I used to be like that eating 2-3 hours & getting 300+ grams of protein a day. & in all honesty I felt like shit. I was always bloated & just felt off. About two years or so ago I revamped my diet. I eat between 150-200 grams of protein a day & usually three larger meals & two "snacks" (usually at work) & I've felt better. But that's just me...people need to not be afraid to experiment a little on themselves & just do what feels right not what some study says.
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maybe he likes to eat?
I usually eat every 3-4 hours. sometimes 1-2 but that's just because i have to get it all down before bed, not because i think it's optimal.
Protein = i noticed a big differnce from 150-170g and 250-270g.
1g = maintenance
1.5g = growth
2g = meat head
:D
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I would have to agree with you. People tend to make it way more complex then it has to be. I used to be like that eating 2-3 hours & getting 300+ grams of protein a day. & in all honesty I felt like shit. I was always bloated & just felt off. About two years or so ago I revamped my diet. I eat between 150-200 grams of protein a day & usually three larger meals & two "snacks" (usually at work) & I've felt better. But that's just me...people need to not be afraid to experiment a little on themselves & just do what feels right not what some study says.
right on.
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I currently weigh around 230lbs (lean) and I'm taking in exactly 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, which is 345 grams a day. I'm not gaining weight to build mass at the moment - I've been this weight for a while now - I probably just need to increase my carb intake which is also roughly 350 grams a day.
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he recommends 2 grams per pound of bodyweight, and eats 500 grams atleast everyday
how do you explain guys who get about 130 grams of protein but are jacked?
he's a classic case of a protein pusher.
Key word: "recommends"
1 gram per pound of bodyweight is a starting point, a point of reference. Start with that and adjust your protein intake (up or down) as necessary.
Furthermore, if YOU ARE NOT one of those guys who gets 130 grams of protein but are jacked, quit worrying about those who are. You'd be better served with getting the appropriate amount of protein that YOU need. If it's 130, so be it; if it's 230, then up your intake accordingly and gauge the result you glean as a marker of success or failure.
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you know, with your "you gotta eat at least 4 meals a day" and "you gotta consume 354849526 grams of protein to be healthy" bullshit, its really apparent that you grossly underestimate the efficiency of the human body.
If that were the case, you would NOT be complaining about consuming more than 215 grams of protein per day (1 gram per pound of his current bodyweight).
You'd be growing and getting stronger, consuming three meals with about 72 grams of protein each, not worrying about your kidneys or the fact that you're a "natty".
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If that were the case, you would NOT be complaining about consuming more than 215 grams of protein per day (1 gram per pound of his current bodyweight).
You'd be growing and getting stronger, consuming three meals with about 72 grams of protein each, not worrying about your kidneys or the fact that you're a "natty".
no efficiency meaning you dont have to consume that much and still be able to maintain full growth potential. surpluses are for the red cross to take of, not your kidneys.
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no efficiency meaning you dont have to consume that much and still be able to maintain full growth potential. surpluses are for the red cross to take of, not your kidneys.
How about you eat your 10grams of protein per day and let everyone else do what they normally do?
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no efficiency meaning you dont have to consume that much and still be able to maintain full growth potential. surpluses are for the red cross to take of, not your kidneys.
If all it takes is 215 grams of protein to get the results you seek, then eat your three 72-grams-of-protein-meals, continue your training, and press forward.
But, based on your initial complaint, my take is that YOU ARE NOT getting the results you desire by consuming that amount. Therefore, you need to make some changes. Citing efficiency and growth potential spiels ain't making you any bigger or stronger. And, it's not that hard to increase your protein intake, either by adding a couple of extra solid meals or drinking a couple of shakes.
It's something you do gradually; you don't just jump from 215 to 400 in one shot. Try consuming about 275-300 grams of protein and see how that works.
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If all it takes is 215 grams of protein to get the results you seek, then eat your three 72-grams-of-protein-meals, continue your training, and press forward.
But, based on your initial complaint, my take is that YOU ARE NOT getting the results you desire by consuming that amount. Therefore, you need to make some changes. Citing efficiency and growth potential spiels ain't making you any bigger or stronger. And, it's not that hard to increase your protein intake, either by adding a couple of extra solid meals or drinking a couple of shakes.
It's something you do gradually; you don't just jump from 215 to 400 in one shot. Try consuming about 275-300 grams of protein and see how that works.
i didnt mean anything i said to be interpreted as me being dissatisfied with my own progress.
How about you eat your 10grams of protein per day and let everyone else do what they normally do?
im not stopping anybody from doing anything.
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i didnt mean anything i said to be interpreted as me being dissatisfied with my own progress.
Then, what's the purpose of lamenting about ingesting 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, especially when others (who are natural and have no kidney issues) have used that amount as a guideline to getting the result they wanted?
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Then, what's the purpose of lamenting about ingesting 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, especially when others (who are natural and have no kidney issues) have used that amount as a guideline to getting the result they wanted?
because i dont think 1 gram per pound is necessary.
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because i dont think 1 gram per pound is necessary.
then dont eat that much
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I wonder why people in jail get huge relatively quick without extra protein?
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I wonder why people in jail get huge relatively quick without extra protein?
i read the post about that topic in the gossip and opinions board...interesting stuff.
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Eat the amount that equals your LEAN bodyweight,then eat a bit more!!
that means one has to eat line 50 grams per day...what do you mean by LEAN? 60%+ of your body is water...solid bone and muscle mass is only about 30% or so
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because i dont think 1 gram per pound is necessary.
For you, it might not be. But, for others, it may be a different story. As I said earlier, it took more than that to get me over 200 lbs. Others here have had similar experiences.
I wonder why people in jail get huge relatively quick without extra protein?
One, who says they don't get extra protein (if folks can get cigarettes and other items, I don't see how procuring protein would be that big of a problem).
Two, I'm not in jail. So it doesn't really concern me as to how prisoners get big. It seems to me that certain people know they need to increase their caloric/protein intake to get better results. But, they don't want to do the extra work to eat it. So, they'll go scouring around the place, looking for anyone who doesn't need as much protein, to justify their actions.
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I wonder why people in jail get huge relatively quick without extra protein?
One guess would be a "back to basics" approach to training.
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that means one has to eat line 50 grams per day...what do you mean by LEAN? 60%+ of your body is water...solid bone and muscle mass is only about 30% or so
hea meant take your total body weight and subtract your total body fat ( total bodyweight X (100% - bodyfat%) )
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got it
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One guess would be a "back to basics" approach to training.
Again, what makes anyone think that these guys aren’t getting extra protein?
Prisoners seem to have a knack of getting cigarettes, drugs, X-rated magazines, and a number of other creature comforts that can be gleaned. How hard would it be for an inmate to get a few extra steaks or a jug or two of Nitro-Tech?
Plus (as stated earlier), who cares how someone else gets by on lower protein levels, if the same doesn't apply to YOU?
If you can't grow signficantly stronger or bigger by consuming less than 1 gram per pound of bodyweight, rattling off a list of who supposedly can is utterly POINTLESS. It makes no more sense than someone who hates cardio, wailing about how Dexter Jackson (in his younger years) could get shredded without doing so.