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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: divcom on January 22, 2009, 07:37:11 AM
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Without Sugar and Hagler of his generation...how would Hearns fair against this generation of 147-154lbers? FMW, Cotto, Hatton and Pac are all sub-5'8" guys, and Marg would leave his chin open like Duran for his one shot power. Paul Willians at 73 ins would be interesting Of course Hearns did have a glass chin at 160lbs but i dont think the above guys could beat sugar or hag in their prime.
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That was a devastating hit, one of the most brutal. But I don't know how tall Hagler (off hand) was and I would say that he was better than both those fighters and I consider him and Sugar Ray Robinson the best of that weight class of all time.
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Boxing was great back then. Went to a hearns leonard fight at caesars. Was crazy as hell. Could have went to that fight too but was doing something else at the time if I remember. Always got free tickets to the fights back then. Shit even way back then the ticket for the Hearns Leonard was $1500 and that was for a seat on the first row riser (which is the best place to sit to see a whole fight.
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Boxing was great back then. Went to a hearns leonard fight at caesars. Was crazy as hell. Could have went to that fight too but was doing something else at the time if I remember. Always got free tickets to the fights back then. Shit even way back then the ticket for the Hearns Leonard was $1500 and that was for a seat on the first row riser (which is the best place to sit to see a whole fight.
Good for you onlyme! I would have loved to see some of those fights. Did you go to any Ali, Salvador Sanchez, Frazier or other fights?
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Manny P is the only fighter worth watching these days and not b/c I'm Filipino but its true.
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Manny P is the only fighter worth watching these days and not b/c I'm Filipino but its true.
I like Pac but he is a setup for FMW and a big payday vs FMW fighting one of the dangerous guys in the division. Once FMW gauges his speed...he'll counter punch the hell out of him like hatton.
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I like Pac but he is a setup for FMW and a big payday vs FMW fighting one of the dangerous guys in the division. Once FMW gauges his speed...he'll counter punch the hell out of him like hatton.
unless he makes a fight out of it...i want to see Edwin Valero vs Pacman, but its not going to happen cause he is too dangerous and has no following.... thus you got a fight where your breadmaker loses to some guy that no one knows.
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I like Pac but he is a setup for FMW and a big payday vs FMW fighting one of the dangerous guys in the division. Once FMW gauges his speed...he'll counter punch the hell out of him like hatton.
I have news for you? Hatton is not going to win. This is Hattons last payday and after Pacman beats him he'll never fight in America again.
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I have news for you? Hatton is not going to win. This is Hattons last payday and after Pacman beats him he'll never fight in America again.
i have a message for you. the money will be too much to pass on with FMW. Pac would lose on pts. it's not like he'll be fighting a large 147 guy. FMW is the small end of the spectrum. Plus Pac is active and FMW will probably fight on his heels...not much power stuff.
they go throw the game to get to the BIG PAYDAYS!
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Good for you onlyme! I would have loved to see some of those fights. Did you go to any Ali, Salvador Sanchez, Frazier or other fights?
No I was too young. I really didn't get into boxing till I was the Guest of Honor at the 1987 Boxing Hall of Fame Dinner where Ali, LaMotta, Ortiz and Eder Joffre were inducted in LA. My old business partner ran the boxing at the Forum in Inglewood so I went there every Tuesday. My uncle got free tickets to every fight in Vegas. So I started going with him. Sat 5th row will all the hotel owners at the Tyson/Bruno fight. that was fun as heck. We promoted a fight in Ft. Myers, FL once. Trevor Berbick fought (1st fight after loss to Tyson), Hector Commacho's cousin fought as did Joe Fraziers kid. The day before the fight though I ended having to leave to go to San Diego to work on a film called Dangerous Curves with Leslie Nielson so I didn't even get to see the fight. I did see Larry Holmes fight in Hawaii during his comeback. That was hilarious. He got yelled at after the fight and then jumped into the crowd from the ring. It was funny as hell.
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i have a message for you. the money will be too much to pass on with FMW. Pac would lose on pts. it's not like he'll be fighting a large 147 guy. FMW is the small end of the spectrum. Plus Pac is active and FMW will probably fight on his heels...not much power stuff.
they go throw the game to get to the BIG PAYDAYS!
What are you talking about? I'm saying Pacman will beat Hatton. He's gonna kick his ass actually. Then Hatton will never fight in America again.
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What are you talking about? I'm saying Pacman will beat Hatton. He's gonna kick his ass actually. Then Hatton will never fight in America again.
Well the fight is off cause Hatton dad didnt like his cut of the revenue.
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It's gonna go down. Where else is Hatton going to go? If I were Pacmans camp I would of offered those silly pomes 70/30 or stay in Manchester. Manny is boxing's #1 draw right now. Hatton is only a star in Manchester. Most people don't even know where that is let alone care. Guaranteed Hatton takes whatever he is offered. The fight is way to big to pass up.
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Hearns was good but his chin was suspect, he would have a very hard time with Cotto and FM's superior boxing ability.
Cant believe Pacquioa didnt go for the Hatton fight and now he wants to fight Valero FFS, who the fk is Valero???
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I'd take him down with my superior ground game then hook him in a submission.
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I'd take him down with my superior ground game then hook him in a submission.
thanks.
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:)
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Golden age of Boxing...
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Haggler was unbelievable in his prime, his fight with Sugar Ray was a travesty! What a total joke. My hats off to him for never stepping in the ring again!
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keith
howd you get invited to the Boxing hall of fame event?
looks like a great nite
you are dwarfing Mike hercules Weaver- that guy had a helluva KO punch and physique
his fight with Larry holmes was a WAR
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keith
howd you get invited to the Boxing hall of fame event?
looks like a great nite
you are dwarfing Mike hercules Weaver- that guy had a helluva KO punch and physique
his fight with Larry holmes was a WAR
My manager at the time was the nephew of Art Braverman who was Don Kings right hand man. He had the contact and we were in LA so they asked us if we wanted to go. It was an awesome night and met everyone who was anyone in boxing. Sat next to Ali at dinner and afterwards went up to the front and sat at the tables signing autographs with everyone. I sat between Ali and LaMotta. It was awesome cause I got Ali to sign something for me and then he asked me to sign something of his. He wrote "to the Champ, from the Ex-Champ" Muhammad Ali. Jake laMotta was awesome too. Eddie Futch had me mixed up with someone else cause he kept telling me he saw me fight and thought I was great. Jimmy Lennon Sr. was the emcee. It was an awesome night and that pic I posted was outside as we were waiting for our limos. Ali snuck up behind me and grabbed me. We ended up wrestling on the ground. He really liked me and I made him laugh alot. He really liked my fist size as did LaMotta
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you got some big mitts there Keith!
what is your fist size?
sonny liston had 15 inch fists i believe
sitting between Ali and La Motta wouldve been alot of laughs
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you got some big mitts there Keith!
what is your fist size?
sonny liston had 15 inch fists i believe
sitting between Ali and La Motta wouldve been alot of laughs
Just over 13"
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awesome stuff Keith, can't imagine sitting next to a couple of legends like Ali and LaMotta.
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Hearns fought during a time when the top 5 fighters in his weight class were legends. Are any of todays guys like Cotto are going to be talked about in the same light 20 years from now? You won't even know there names. Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, and Duran will go down in history of the sport. Hearns got beat but it was against some of the greatest boxers of all time. He had an incredible punching power. There was never such a thing as a boring Hearns fight. Even when he lost he pounded the other with severe power shots.
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Hearns fought during a time when the top 5 fighters in his weight class were legends. Are any of todays guys like Cotto are going to be talked about in the same light 20 years from now? You won't even know there names. Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, and Duran will go down in history of the sport. Hearns got beat but it was against some of the greatest boxers of all time. He had an incredible punching power. There was never such a thing as a boring Hearns fight. Even when he lost he pounded the other with severe power shots.
QFT!!
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No I was too young. I really didn't get into boxing till I was the Guest of Honor at the 1987 Boxing Hall of Fame Dinner where Ali, LaMotta, Ortiz and Eder Joffre were inducted in LA. My old business partner ran the boxing at the Forum in Inglewood so I went there every Tuesday. My uncle got free tickets to every fight in Vegas. So I started going with him. Sat 5th row will all the hotel owners at the Tyson/Bruno fight. that was fun as heck. We promoted a fight in Ft. Myers, FL once. Trevor Berbick fought (1st fight after loss to Tyson), Hector Commacho's cousin fought as did Joe Fraziers kid. The day before the fight though I ended having to leave to go to San Diego to work on a film called Dangerous Curves with Leslie Nielson so I didn't even get to see the fight. I did see Larry Holmes fight in Hawaii during his comeback. That was hilarious. He got yelled at after the fight and then jumped into the crowd from the ring. It was funny as hell.
keith...hope you see the thread again this weekend before it dies out...i'd like to know how ali's condition was in 87. was he still sharp or had he degraded noticeably by then
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keith...hope you see the thread again this weekend before it dies out...i'd like to know how ali's condition was in 87. was he still sharp or had he degraded noticeably by then
Well at dinner I helped him cut his steak cause I saw he was having a little trouble. There were several times when people came up to him to ask for his autograph during dinner too. It got annoying and I actually told them later. Cause at the end of the night we went up on stage (their were tables) and sat down while the whole room passed by in front and we signed their program books. My ex was with me and had to stand at the side with Ali's wife and Lamotta daughter. She was really annoyed at the whole thing. Up to that point it was the most autographs I had signed at one time ever.
I remember when we got a photo of her getting kissed by Ali in the mail she was surprised cause she didn't remember it happening. He talked very low and moved slow but not anything like now. The most awesome part of the whole evening was when he went up to accept his induction. Jimmy Lennon introduced him and the place went crazy for a good 5 minutes straight. you couldn't hear yourself yell it was so loud. Finally he started talking. And I swear to god if you closed your eyes and just listened to him talk you thought you were in 1965. He started going off and I remember these words forever (his first words during his speech) "NONE OF YOU PEOPLE THOUGHT THIS guy WOULD BE ANYTHING DID YOU"!!!!! The place went crazy again and then he just started talking just like he did way back during press conferences. It was unreal and absolutely something i will never forget. He is easily the person I have met that made the most impact on me in regards to being in "awe". He is just unreal. And the even neatest part is that he remembered me 3 months later when I saw him in Miami. And his wife telling me he talked about me. She said when Ali was playing with me outside it was some of the most fun she had seen him have in a long time. I have more pics somewhere of this. He was very solid too. I mean I was rolling with Ali in tuxedos in a parking lot at midnight. How cool is that?
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keith
howd you get invited to the Boxing hall of fame event?
looks like a great nite
you are dwarfing Mike hercules Weaver- that guy had a helluva KO punch and physique
his fight with Larry holmes was a WAR
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Am I the only one who notices the double-chin on onlyme here? ???
Onlyme, are you sure you were in shape back then?
This weight problem of yours, are you sure it's something that is only related to the spider accident and not to eating disorders or perhaps... thyroid problems?
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Hearns fought during a time when the top 5 fighters in his weight class were legends. Are any of todays guys like Cotto are going to be talked about in the same light 20 years from now? You won't even know there names. Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, and Duran will go down in history of the sport. Hearns got beat but it was against some of the greatest boxers of all time. He had an incredible punching power. There was never such a thing as a boring Hearns fight. Even when he lost he pounded the other with severe power shots.
Yip thats right oldtimer Hearns had incredible punching power, his right hand in particular was devastating, the right hand he nailed Duran with was one of the most devastating knockouts of the 1980s.
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Well at dinner I helped him cut his steak cause I saw he was having a little trouble. There were several times when people came up to him to ask for his autograph during dinner too. It got annoying and I actually told them later. Cause at the end of the night we went up on stage (their were tables) and sat down while the whole room passed by in front and we signed their program books. My ex was with me and had to stand at the side with Ali's wife and Lamotta daughter. She was really annoyed at the whole thing. Up to that point it was the most autographs I had signed at one time ever.
I remember when we got a photo of her getting kissed by Ali in the mail she was surprised cause she didn't remember it happening. He talked very low and moved slow but not anything like now. The most awesome part of the whole evening was when he went up to accept his induction. Jimmy Lennon introduced him and the place went crazy for a good 5 minutes straight. you couldn't hear yourself yell it was so loud. Finally he started talking. And I swear to god if you closed your eyes and just listened to him talk you thought you were in 1965. He started going off and I remember these words forever (his first words during his speech) "NONE OF YOU PEOPLE THOUGHT THIS guy WOULD BE ANYTHING DID YOU"!!!!! The place went crazy again and then he just started talking just like he did way back during press conferences. It was unreal and absolutely something i will never forget. He is easily the person I have met that made the most impact on me in regards to being in "awe". He is just unreal. And the even neatest part is that he remembered me 3 months later when I saw him in Miami. And his wife telling me he talked about me. She said when Ali was playing with me outside it was some of the most fun she had seen him have in a long time. I have more pics somewhere of this. He was very solid too. I mean I was rolling with Ali in tuxedos in a parking lot at midnight. How cool is that?
Great story Keith, what a honer to be @ the same dinner table with the Greatest, absolutley AWESOME!
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you were an armwrestler?? well was there any money in that?
Prize money was not all that good. $1000 for 1st was really good. I made most of my money from sponsorships.
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Am I the only one who notices the double-chin on onlyme here? ???
Onlyme, are you sure you were in shape back then?
This weight problem of yours, are you sure it's something that is only related to the spider accident and not to eating disorders or perhaps... thyroid problems?
Nice try Hedge. Like always I feel sorry for people like you. I'll just enjoy what I have done and you can sit back just dreaming. Remember thats all you will ever be able to do.
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Good stuff onlyme.
What other big fights did you attend? Chavez/Taylor??
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Without Sugar and Hagler of his generation...how would Hearns fair against this generation of 147-154lbers? FMW, Cotto, Hatton and Pac are all sub-5'8" guys, and Marg would leave his chin open like Duran for his one shot power. Paul Willians at 73 ins would be interesting Of course Hearns did have a glass chin at 160lbs but i dont think the above guys could beat sugar or hag in their prime.
Hearns was nice. Those fights against "the blade" Iran Barkley were brutal.
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Well at dinner I helped him cut his steak cause I saw he was having a little trouble. There were several times when people came up to him to ask for his autograph during dinner too. It got annoying and I actually told them later. Cause at the end of the night we went up on stage (their were tables) and sat down while the whole room passed by in front and we signed their program books. My ex was with me and had to stand at the side with Ali's wife and Lamotta daughter. She was really annoyed at the whole thing. Up to that point it was the most autographs I had signed at one time ever.
I remember when we got a photo of her getting kissed by Ali in the mail she was surprised cause she didn't remember it happening. He talked very low and moved slow but not anything like now. The most awesome part of the whole evening was when he went up to accept his induction. Jimmy Lennon introduced him and the place went crazy for a good 5 minutes straight. you couldn't hear yourself yell it was so loud. Finally he started talking. And I swear to god if you closed your eyes and just listened to him talk you thought you were in 1965. He started going off and I remember these words forever (his first words during his speech) "NONE OF YOU PEOPLE THOUGHT THIS guy WOULD BE ANYTHING DID YOU"!!!!! The place went crazy again and then he just started talking just like he did way back during press conferences. It was unreal and absolutely something i will never forget. He is easily the person I have met that made the most impact on me in regards to being in "awe". He is just unreal. And the even neatest part is that he remembered me 3 months later when I saw him in Miami. And his wife telling me he talked about me. She said when Ali was playing with me outside it was some of the most fun she had seen him have in a long time. I have more pics somewhere of this. He was very solid too. I mean I was rolling with Ali in tuxedos in a parking lot at midnight. How cool is that?
excellent, excellent.
despite his fried appearance, he's said to be sharp as a tack and one simply needs to know how to understand him. he would probably remember you to this day and be very happy to see you.
i wonder how much of ali's current condition is directly attributable to the (((shudder))) '81 fight