Author Topic: Hearns (Read 5369 times)

divcom · « **on:** January 22, 2009, 07:37:11 AM »

Without Sugar and Hagler of his generation...how would Hearns fair against this generation of 147-154lbers? FMW, Cotto, Hatton and Pac are all sub-5'8" guys, and Marg would leave his chin open like Duran for his one shot power. Paul Willians at 73 ins would be interesting Of course Hearns did have a glass chin at 160lbs but i dont think the above guys could beat sugar or hag in their prime.

jaejonna · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:39:06 AM »

That was a devastating hit, one of the most brutal. But I don't know how tall Hagler (off hand) was and I would say that he was better than both those fighters and I consider him and Sugar Ray Robinson the best of that weight class of all time.

onlyme · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:13:04 AM »

Boxing was great back then. Went to a hearns leonard fight at caesars. Was crazy as hell. Could have went to that fight too but was doing something else at the time if I remember. Always got free tickets to the fights back then. Shit even way back then the ticket for the Hearns Leonard was $1500 and that was for a seat on the first row riser (which is the best place to sit to see a whole fight.

divcom · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:30:41 AM »

Quote from: onlyme on January 22, 2009, 08:13:04 AM

Boxing was great back then. Went to a hearns leonard fight at caesars. Was crazy as hell. Could have went to that fight too but was doing something else at the time if I remember. Always got free tickets to the fights back then. Shit even way back then the ticket for the Hearns Leonard was $1500 and that was for a seat on the first row riser (which is the best place to sit to see a whole fight.

Good for you onlyme! I would have loved to see some of those fights. Did you go to any Ali, Salvador Sanchez, Frazier or other fights?

jaejonna · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:32:50 AM »

Manny P is the only fighter worth watching these days and not b/c I'm Filipino but its true.

divcom · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:38:40 AM »

Quote from: jaejonna on January 22, 2009, 08:32:50 AM

Manny P is the only fighter worth watching these days and not b/c I'm Filipino but its true.

I like Pac but he is a setup for FMW and a big payday vs FMW fighting one of the dangerous guys in the division. Once FMW gauges his speed...he'll counter punch the hell out of him like hatton.

jaejonna · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:42:24 AM »

Quote from: divcom on January 22, 2009, 08:38:40 AM

I like Pac but he is a setup for FMW and a big payday vs FMW fighting one of the dangerous guys in the division. Once FMW gauges his speed...he'll counter punch the hell out of him like hatton.

unless he makes a fight out of it...i want to see Edwin Valero vs Pacman, but its not going to happen cause he is too dangerous and has no following.... thus you got a fight where your breadmaker loses to some guy that no one knows.

cheftim · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2009, 09:10:26 AM »

Quote from: divcom on January 22, 2009, 08:38:40 AM

I like Pac but he is a setup for FMW and a big payday vs FMW fighting one of the dangerous guys in the division. Once FMW gauges his speed...he'll counter punch the hell out of him like hatton.

I have news for you? Hatton is not going to win. This is Hattons last payday and after Pacman beats him he'll never fight in America again.

divcom · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2009, 10:02:30 AM »

Quote from: cheftim on January 22, 2009, 09:10:26 AM

I have news for you? Hatton is not going to win. This is Hattons last payday and after Pacman beats him he'll never fight in America again.

i have a message for you. the money will be too much to pass on with FMW. Pac would lose on pts. it's not like he'll be fighting a large 147 guy. FMW is the small end of the spectrum. Plus Pac is active and FMW will probably fight on his heels...not much power stuff.

they go throw the game to get to the BIG PAYDAYS!

onlyme · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2009, 10:13:30 AM »

Quote from: divcom on January 22, 2009, 08:30:41 AM

Good for you onlyme! I would have loved to see some of those fights. Did you go to any Ali, Salvador Sanchez, Frazier or other fights?

No I was too young. I really didn't get into boxing till I was the Guest of Honor at the 1987 Boxing Hall of Fame Dinner where Ali, LaMotta, Ortiz and Eder Joffre were inducted in LA. My old business partner ran the boxing at the Forum in Inglewood so I went there every Tuesday. My uncle got free tickets to every fight in Vegas. So I started going with him. Sat 5th row will all the hotel owners at the Tyson/Bruno fight. that was fun as heck. We promoted a fight in Ft. Myers, FL once. Trevor Berbick fought (1st fight after loss to Tyson), Hector Commacho's cousin fought as did Joe Fraziers kid. The day before the fight though I ended having to leave to go to San Diego to work on a film called Dangerous Curves with Leslie Nielson so I didn't even get to see the fight. I did see Larry Holmes fight in Hawaii during his comeback. That was hilarious. He got yelled at after the fight and then jumped into the crowd from the ring. It was funny as hell.

cheftim · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2009, 10:15:42 AM »

Quote from: divcom on January 22, 2009, 10:02:30 AM

i have a message for you. the money will be too much to pass on with FMW. Pac would lose on pts. it's not like he'll be fighting a large 147 guy. FMW is the small end of the spectrum. Plus Pac is active and FMW will probably fight on his heels...not much power stuff.

they go throw the game to get to the BIG PAYDAYS!

What are you talking about? I'm saying Pacman will beat Hatton. He's gonna kick his ass actually. Then Hatton will never fight in America again.

jaejonna · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2009, 10:18:00 AM »

Quote from: cheftim on January 22, 2009, 10:15:42 AM

What are you talking about? I'm saying Pacman will beat Hatton. He's gonna kick his ass actually. Then Hatton will never fight in America again.

Well the fight is off cause Hatton dad didnt like his cut of the revenue.

cheftim · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2009, 10:26:52 AM »

It's gonna go down. Where else is Hatton going to go? If I were Pacmans camp I would of offered those silly pomes 70/30 or stay in Manchester. Manny is boxing's #1 draw right now. Hatton is only a star in Manchester. Most people don't even know where that is let alone care. Guaranteed Hatton takes whatever he is offered. The fight is way to big to pass up.

bodybuilder1234 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2009, 11:38:03 AM »

Hearns was good but his chin was suspect, he would have a very hard time with Cotto and FM's superior boxing ability.
Cant believe Pacquioa didnt go for the Hatton fight and now he wants to fight Valero FFS, who the fk is Valero???

mass 04 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:46:45 PM »

I'd take him down with my superior ground game then hook him in a submission.

divcom · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:50:14 PM »

Quote from: mass 04 on January 22, 2009, 12:46:45 PM

I'd take him down with my superior ground game then hook him in a submission.

thanks.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:51:29 PM »

kyomu · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:40:24 PM »

Golden age of Boxing...

Lord Humungous · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:59:03 PM »

Haggler was unbelievable in his prime, his fight with Sugar Ray was a travesty! What a total joke. My hats off to him for never stepping in the ring again!

the_swami · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:48:22 PM »

keith

howd you get invited to the Boxing hall of fame event?

looks like a great nite

you are dwarfing Mike hercules Weaver- that guy had a helluva KO punch and physique

his fight with Larry holmes was a WAR

onlyme · « **Reply #20 on:** January 22, 2009, 03:40:27 PM »

Quote from: the_swami on January 22, 2009, 02:48:22 PM

keith

howd you get invited to the Boxing hall of fame event?

looks like a great nite

you are dwarfing Mike hercules Weaver- that guy had a helluva KO punch and physique

his fight with Larry holmes was a WAR

My manager at the time was the nephew of Art Braverman who was Don Kings right hand man. He had the contact and we were in LA so they asked us if we wanted to go. It was an awesome night and met everyone who was anyone in boxing. Sat next to Ali at dinner and afterwards went up to the front and sat at the tables signing autographs with everyone. I sat between Ali and LaMotta. It was awesome cause I got Ali to sign something for me and then he asked me to sign something of his. He wrote "to the Champ, from the Ex-Champ" Muhammad Ali. Jake laMotta was awesome too. Eddie Futch had me mixed up with someone else cause he kept telling me he saw me fight and thought I was great. Jimmy Lennon Sr. was the emcee. It was an awesome night and that pic I posted was outside as we were waiting for our limos. Ali snuck up behind me and grabbed me. We ended up wrestling on the ground. He really liked me and I made him laugh alot. He really liked my fist size as did LaMotta

the_swami · « **Reply #21 on:** January 22, 2009, 04:02:27 PM »

you got some big mitts there Keith!

what is your fist size?

sonny liston had 15 inch fists i believe

sitting between Ali and La Motta wouldve been alot of laughs

onlyme · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2009, 04:05:29 PM »

Quote from: the_swami on January 22, 2009, 04:02:27 PM

you got some big mitts there Keith!

what is your fist size?

sonny liston had 15 inch fists i believe

sitting between Ali and La Motta wouldve been alot of laughs

Just over 13"

QuakerOats · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2009, 04:06:42 PM »

awesome stuff Keith, can't imagine sitting next to a couple of legends like Ali and LaMotta.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2009, 04:42:19 PM »

Hearns fought during a time when the top 5 fighters in his weight class were legends. Are any of todays guys like Cotto are going to be talked about in the same light 20 years from now? You won't even know there names. Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, and Duran will go down in history of the sport. Hearns got beat but it was against some of the greatest boxers of all time. He had an incredible punching power. There was never such a thing as a boring Hearns fight. Even when he lost he pounded the other with severe power shots.