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Some people here even say you shouldn't consume it at all? ???
Discuss...
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I too wonder this at times.....
I guess eating "real food" is more hardcore......?
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I don't really notice a difference except for the fact that it tends to make me extremely thirsty, and causes my face to break out.
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Some guys don't like to spend money on anything.
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I've got half a jug of Optimum 100% Whey just sitting there gathering dust.
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Some guys don't like to spend money on anything.
For me it is SAVING money. I save tons of cash doing 50/50 protein shakes/meals. I would go broke if I had to spend cash on 5 to 6 meals a day; every now and then I will do it but pretty rare...never mind the convenience...
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Thank god food is free for me..... 8)
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Thank god food is free for me..... 8)
Benefits of living with mommy and daddy eh? ;)
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Benefits of living with mommy and daddy eh? ;)
Fuck yeah! 8)
You miss it, don't you?
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Fuck yeah! 8)
You miss it, don't you?
NO, always fighting and arguing. I don't miss that. :-\
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NO, always fighting and arguing. I don't miss that. :-\
Guess we can't all be as fortunate as me........ :)
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Guess we can't all be as fortunate as me........ :)
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What are you implying, RPF?
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What are you implying, RPF?
That you're a "Fortunate Son".
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That you're a "Fortunate Son".
I'm watching you Big B.........don't fuck up, ok.....
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1. I don't trust the source. Did it come from China? Is there really 30g of complete amino protein per serving? What assurance do I have that what the label says about the contents is true? When I microwave egg whites containing 100g of protein, there's no mistaking that they are egg whites.
2. If I'm dieting I want all the solid meals I can get. I don't understand why people use liquid nutrition when dieting.
3. I like to cook. I like to eat. Don't really enjoy swilling powder shakes.
If the quality of the whey isn't in question then there's nothing wrong with it. Although it's nutritionally sparse compared to proper food (but a good source of glutathione), it's convenient and an acceptable source of protein when used to supplement a balanced diet. I just haven't bothered with it for awhile now.
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I'm watching you Big B.........don't fuck up, ok.....
::)
Getbig is so much like Prison.
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There is a contradiction in BBing protein theory.
"Take more protein and avoid the processed one"
However, the protein powder(Really processed) is ok. ???
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::)
Getbig is so much like Prison.
Prison = overrated
Not that i've been or anything.......
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Prison = overrated
Not that i've been or anything.......
lol same
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There is a contradiction in BBing protein theory.
"Take more protein and avoid the processed one"
However, the protein powder(Really processed) is ok. ???
Maybe they want your money? :o
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lol same
:o
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Maybe they want your money? :o
MMMmm. Half yes and half no,i think..
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MMMmm. Half yes and half no,i think..
You get good results Kyomu and you are a proponent of a high protein diet. Can you give us some thoughts on your protein theory? What do you mean 'avoid the processed' protein?
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I think if one has the time and the means to eat a lb of meat every three hours more power to them. I know I made the best gains of my life doing that but sometimes you have to work with what's available and convienent.
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You get good results Kyomu and you are a proponent of a high protein diet. Can you give us some thoughts on your protein theory? What do you mean 'avoid the processed' protein?
Mostly coming from my experience and another huge guys(include pros) are saying that too.
I guess,our whole digestion system is well accostomed to absorb the protein in natural status more than processed status because of eating natural one in the long human history. I dont know very well.
In asian medicine, they always recommend the "alive" food(natural status) because it contains lots of vital energy called KI.
I dont know very well.
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Mostly coming from my experience and another huge guys(include pros) are saying that too.
I guess,our whole digestion system is well accostomed to absorb the protein in natural status more than processed status because of eating natural one in the long human history. I dont know very well.
In asian medicine, they always recommend the "alive" food(natural status) because it contains lots of vital energy called KI.
I dont know very well.
Actually it's because of the animal fats that are in the meat that you are eating. Most people will not come out and say this because they are afraid fat-a-phobes will come out of the woodwork beating people over the head with their soy protein isolate faggotry. Eat fucking cows and you will gain muscle people. If you want to get the most out of your shakes add heavy whipping cream and whole milk to them.
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1. I don't trust the source. Did it come from China? Is there really 30g of complete amino protein per serving? What assurance do I have that what the label says about the contents is true? When I microwave egg whites containing 100g of protein, there's no mistaking that they are egg whites.
2. If I'm dieting I want all the solid meals I can get. I don't understand why people use liquid nutrition when dieting.
3. I like to cook. I like to eat. Don't really enjoy swilling powder shakes.
If the quality of the whey isn't in question then there's nothing wrong with it. Although it's nutritionally sparse compared to proper food (but a good source of glutathione), it's convenient and an acceptable source of protein when used to supplement a balanced diet. I just haven't bothered with it for awhile now.
haha i love these guys when they diet, almost 4/6 of their "meals" are "shakes". ::)
I would fucking starve to death consuming only powders.
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Mostly coming from my experience and another huge guys(include pros) are saying that too.
I guess,our whole digestion system is well accostomed to absorb the protein in natural status more than processed status because of eating natural one in the long human history. I dont know very well.
In asian medicine, they always recommend the "alive" food(natural status) because it contains lots of vital energy called KI.
I dont know very well.
No worries. I don't know much about asian medicine but a whole food theory makes intuitive sense. It's what the species grew up on.
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50g of whole food takes longer to digest and the body can make better use of it during lets say 2 hours or longer of it being absorbed. if 50g whey protein hits your blood in 20 minutes, some of it is probably filtered out by the kidneys and wasted.
At least for a natural protein synthesis will be faster for users for sure.
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haha i love these guys when they diet, almost 4/6 of their "meals" are "shakes". ::)
I would fucking starve to death consuming only powders.
Right on. You'd have to be crazy reach for a water and whey powder shake when your stomach is empty. Eat something solid ffs. No wonder these characters are reaching for double chocolate cake three days in.
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It's not food. It's not satisfying. The only thing it is good for is something to satisfy a chocolate/sweet craving when dieting, or some calories if you are in a major pinch.
Deicide, I hope you are eating more real food and less protein powder these days. :)
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For me it is SAVING money. I save tons of cash doing 50/50 protein shakes/meals. I would go broke if I had to spend cash on 5 to 6 meals a day; every now and then I will do it but pretty rare...never mind the convenience...
QFT, i do the same thing.
if i was flithy rich like 95% of getbig i'd eat steak, chicken, etc at every meal, but i'm not so i chug down the groul.
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It's not food. It's not satisfying. The only thing it is good for is something to satisfy a chocolate/sweet craving when dieting, or some calories if you are in a major pinch.
Deicide, I hope you are eating more real food and less protein powder these days. :)
Integrity. Props Rip.
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It seems to have become popular to hate on any type of supplement. Protein shakes are great as a supplement, meaning you eat a fairly complete diet and they only serve as additional protein. They generally should not be replacing meals but they are convenient and still better then nothing when you are on the go.
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1. I don't trust the source. Did it come from China? Is there really 30g of complete amino protein per serving? What assurance do I have that what the label says about the contents is true? When I microwave egg whites containing 100g of protein, there's no mistaking that they are egg whites.
2. If I'm dieting I want all the solid meals I can get. I don't understand why people use liquid nutrition when dieting.
3. I like to cook. I like to eat. Don't really enjoy swilling powder shakes.
If the quality of the whey isn't in question then there's nothing wrong with it. Although it's nutritionally sparse compared to proper food (but a good source of glutathione), it's convenient and an acceptable source of protein when used to supplement a balanced diet. I just haven't bothered with it for awhile now.
The quality of the protein I use is top; it's my friend's own company; everything made in Germany and Switzerland. :)
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50g of whole food takes longer to digest and the body can make better use of it during lets say 2 hours or longer of it being absorbed. if 50g whey protein hits your blood in 20 minutes, some of it is probably filtered out by the kidneys and wasted.
At least for a natural protein synthesis will be faster for users for sure.
Why does everyone talk only about whey; casein is a much better diet protein.
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Why does everyone talk only about whey; casein is a much better diet protein.
110% truth
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It's not food. It's not satisfying. The only thing it is good for is something to satisfy a chocolate/sweet craving when dieting, or some calories if you are in a major pinch.
Deicide, I hope you are eating more real food and less protein powder these days. :)
You want to give me more money for 'real food'?
Fuck satisfying, in two shakes I can cover 100gr of protein in a few seconds.
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I'd rather skip a meal then cook or make a shake. how's that!
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I seriously doubt that non competitors would see an appreciable difference by using protein over not using protein shakes, save your money
besides I think that egg whites works better anyway
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You want to give me more money for 'real food'?
Fuck satisfying, in two shakes I can cover 100gr of protein in a few seconds.
Yup, that's a point.
Plus: At times fast protein is good, i.e. after WO. That's why everyone talks about whey. Besides that, all your protein should come from food, but at times it's just more convenient to put 500ml milk, a banana, some almonds, honey, oatmeal and some whey into a blender and down that. Takes 30 seconds to make and 2 minutes to drink. And tell me you're not full after that.
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I seriously doubt that non competitors would see an appreciable difference by using protein over not using protein shakes, save your money
besides I think that egg whites works better anyway
Actually protein powder is much cheaper than real food, if you only look at the protein you can get.
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Yup, that's a point.
Plus: At times fast protein is good, i.e. after WO. That's why everyone talks about whey. Besides that, all your protein should come from food, but at times it's just more convenient to put 500ml milk, a banana, some almonds, honey, oatmeal and some whey into a blender and down that. Takes 30 seconds to make and 2 minutes to drink. And tell me you're not full after that.
Double Plex Whey/Casein: ;D
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/MorephotosfromBonn022.jpg)
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I don't really notice a difference except for the fact that it tends to make me extremely thirsty, and causes my face to break out.
Hi Gene.
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Double Plex Whey/Casein: ;D
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/MorephotosfromBonn022.jpg)
clearly all of that high quality protein is paying dividends for you ::) ::)
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Is that Polish product Deicide?
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Yup, that's a point.
Plus: At times fast protein is good, i.e. after WO. That's why everyone talks about whey. Besides that, all your protein should come from food, but at times it's just more convenient to put 500ml milk, a banana, some almonds, honey, oatmeal and some whey into a blender and down that. Takes 30 seconds to make and 2 minutes to drink. And tell me you're not full after that.
And also an unnecessary calorie bomb! :o
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Oh, and for the people that don't like protein powder, they are just mad that no matter what they try they remain small so they have to bash every supplement, diet, and training philosophy.
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clearly all of that high quality protein is paying dividends for you ::) ::)
The owner is a personal friend of mine and I have personally visited the places where it is made. It IS good quality.
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Is that Polish product Deicide?
100% German Made.
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And also an unnecessary calorie bomb! :o
not at all.
Oh, and for the people that don't like protein powder, they are just mad that no matter what they try they remain small so they have to bash every supplement, diet, and training philosophy.
maybe some of them are just jealous because they can't afford buying supplements. That would also explain why some people seem to live of them, either they can buy real food or supplements.
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Well go tell Arnold and Sergio that you have a "shake" as a breakfast and they will probably laugh their ass off.
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Well go tell Arnold and Sergio that you have a "shake" as a breakfast and they will probably laugh their ass off.
Is it 1970?
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it seems that these days everyone is a genetic freak with Mr. O winning potential.
and to maximize their great genetics they carry around
1. pre-work out shakes
2. mid work out shakes
3. post work out sakes
4. Gallons of water
5. Standard Animal Pak stack in fanny pack
6. Muscle tech latest and greatest.
7. Wazy maize, dextrose, kre-ak
8. ZMA before bed.
9. tapout tshirt
10. weight belt
it would be interesting to compare the average lifter from 30, 40 years ago to today and see the difference.
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Is it 1970?
I am glad it it not anymore... ;D
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Well go tell Arnold and Sergio that you have a "shake" as a breakfast and they will probably laugh their ass off.
Can you get Dianabol at every corner nowadays? Does a liter of milk cost 5 cents?
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it seems that these days everyone is a genetic freak with Mr. O winning potential.
and to maximize their great genetics they carry around
1. pre-work out shakes
2. mid work out shakes
3. post work out sakes
4. Gallons of water
5. Standard Animal Pak stack in fanny pack
6. Muscle tech latest and greatest.
7. Wazy maize, dextrose, kre-ak
8. ZMA before bed.
9. tapout tshirt
10. weight belt
it would be interesting to compare the average lifter from 30, 40 years ago to today and see the difference.
You are the only one here talking about great genetics and it has nothing to do with the title of the thread.
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not at all.
maybe some of them are just jealous because they can't afford buying supplements. That would also explain why some people seem to live of them, either they can buy real food or supplements.
Well, that shake might be good for a bulk phase but holy shit, there must be almost a thousand calories in it! :o
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The quality of the protein I use is top; it's my friend's own company; everything made in Germany and Switzerland. :)
That answers my main objection to protein powder if not dieting. There's a lot of dodgy stuff out there though and most of us don't know the manufacturer personally. We have to rely on the maker's honesty (hahaha, usually) and the effective enforcement of government truth in labeling laws (if such a thing exists in the supplement industry).
Even so, I like the idea of whole foods. Supplementing a shake a day is harmless but most people abuse it. I've been guilty of falling into the convenience trap myself in the past, as have many Getbig bros, I bet.
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You are the only one here talking about great genetics and it has nothing to do with the title of the thread.
you are right, I took it to the extreme to prove my point about the need for protein powder. It is my contention that the average gym rat will not see any appreciable difference by using protein shakes. But since we are living in an age of excess "high quality protein powder" is needed to enhance our genetic gifts.
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you are right, I took it to the extreme to prove my point about the need for protein powder. It is my contention that the average gym rat will not see any appreciable difference by using protein shakes. But since we are living in an age of excess "high quality protein powder" is needed to enhance our genetic gifts.
I highlighted 1. cost effectiveness and 2. convenience; nothing else.
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Well, that shake might be good for a bulk phase but holy shit, there must be almost a thousand calories in it! :o
Solid breakfast. Or either liquid. ;D
Normally i also might add some instant coffee, cocoa powder or coconut flakes. ;D
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Solid breakfast. Or either liquid. ;D
Normally i also might add some instant coffee, cocoa powder or coconut flakes. ;D
That must be some dump you take after that... :o
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Some people here even say you shouldn't consume it at all? ???
Discuss...
Protein powders are a piece of the "Stomach Bloating or Abdominal Distension" puzzle / epidemic that plagues the "sport" of bodybuilding.
Water, corn syrup, maltodetrin, caseinates, surcros, canola oil, vitamins and minerals....
Why not just grab a can of tuna/chicken breast in springwater for a 15-30gram protein 'hit' instead of the bloat guts caused by protein powders???
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Protein powders are a piece of the "Stomach Bloating or Abdominal Distension" puzzle / epidemic that plagues the "sport" of bodybuilding.
Water, corn syrup, maltodetrin, caseinates, surcros, canola oil, vitamins and minerals....
Why not just grab a can of tuna/chicken breast in springwater for a 15-30gram protein 'hit' instead of the bloat guts caused by protein powders???
What protein are you using?! :o
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Protein powders are a piece of the "Stomach Bloating or Abdominal Distension" puzzle / epidemic that plagues the "sport" of bodybuilding.
Water, corn syrup, maltodetrin, caseinates, surcros, canola oil, vitamins and minerals....
Why not just grab a can of tuna/chicken breast in springwater for a 15-30gram protein 'hit' instead of the bloat guts caused by protein powders???
I think we all have done that at some time, the problem is, canned tuna comes only in one flavor: canned tuna.
I ate tuna straight out the can, with vinegar, tomato sauce etc etc for years, now only opening up a can of tuna makes me want to puke.
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I think we all have done that at some time, the problem is, canned tuna comes only in one flavor: canned tuna.
I ate tuna straight out the can, with vinegar, tomato sauce etc etc for years, now only opening up a can of tuna makes me want to puke.
Fixed. ;)
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I think we all have done that at some time, the problem is, canned tuna comes only in one flavor: canned tuna.
I ate tuna straight out the can, with vinegar, tomato sauce etc etc for years, now only opening up a can of tuna makes me want to puke.
??? They have tons of flavors here.
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I only use whey powder for protein these days, it just is a lot cheaper period.
If real food were the cheaper choice I probably wouldnt use powders anymore though.
About the too fast digestion: I honestly think that is a plus rather than a minus for whey powder, with steak I always have this digestive burbs coming up all day long etc. If you're only awake for 16 hours a day and take in a lot of protein I really see no use in something that needs half a day to fully digest (and that would be only one meal)
= much less strain on your digestive system using powders
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??? They have tons of flavors here.
What? Tuna with vanilla flavor? Tuna is tuna.
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What? Tuna with vanilla flavor? Tuna is tuna.
Wouldn't lie to ya DK.
Lemon & pepper
Sweet chili
Sundried tomato and basil
Thai curry
etc
Heaps of flavors. Can't remember many tho. Haven't had one in quite awhile because... it's still tuna.
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Protein powder murdered my family. That's what I got against it.
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Protein powder murdered my family. That's what I got against it.
North Africans murdered mine.
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Wouldn't lie to ya DK.
Lemon & pepper
Sweet chili
Sundried tomato and basil
Thai curry
etc
Heaps of flavors. Can't remember many tho. Haven't had one in quite awhile because... it's still tuna.
ok, that sounds good. However, what about artificial flavors, sweeteners, sugar or fat in that ones?
hey have tuna in tomato sauce in cans over here, but it tastes like shit.
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ok, that sounds good. However, what about artificial flavors, sweeteners, sugar or fat in that ones?
hey have tuna in tomato sauce in cans over here, but it tastes like shit.
Oh hell yes.
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ok, that sounds good. However, what about artificial flavors, sweeteners, sugar or fat in that ones?
hey have tuna in tomato sauce in cans over here, but it tastes like shit.
Of course there are tons of those in those kinds of tuna.
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For me protein powder is for extreme convenience. I'll wake up at 2:30am for work at times, and the last thing I want to do is sit down to a can of tuna at that hour!!! So I'll have my shake in the shaker bottle ready to fill with water and drink that as I walk out the door. Also, I have around 60-70g of protein in that shake, so that would be 2.5 cans of tuna, making it even more unbearable to sit down to at that hour!
I like shakes, but I certainly PREFER having solid food as much as possible.
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Oh hell yes.
See, that's one point. You buy the flavor with lots of unhealthy shit you don't want.
I buy plain non-flavored whey powder. No flavors, no sweeteners, nothing added. Then, i add a banana one day, some frozen berries the other day, instant coffee, cocoa powder, mix it with juice, yoghurt, milk.
The possibilities are endless, and all it does is add some protein to other ingredients.
I buy 2kg of plain whey for about 30 Euros. One liter of milk has about 35grams of protein, and costs me 1 Euro. So for 30 Euros, i get about 1kg of protein out of milk, plus the fat and carbs i would have to take with that.
Protein powder is convenient and makes a high protein diet less expensive. And it tastes better at times.
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See, that's one point. You buy the flavor with lots of unhealthy shit you don't want.
I buy plain non-flavored whey powder. No flavors, no sweeteners, nothing added. Then, i add a banana one day, some frozen berries the other day, instant coffee, cocoa powder, mix it with juice, yoghurt, milk.
The possibilities are endless, and all it does is add some protein to other ingredients.
I buy 2kg of plain whey for about 30 Euros. One liter of milk has about 35grams of protein, and costs me 1 Euro. So for 30 Euros, i get about 1kg of protein out of milk, plus the fat and carbs i would have to take with that.
Protein powder is convenient and makes a high protein diet less expensive. And it tastes better at times.
Non-flavoured whey? Why?
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Non-flavoured whey? Why?
Did you read what i wrote?
Because you can make it any flavor you want without getting all the sweeteners and artificial flavors, plus you don't have to go through 2kg of the same boring flavor but you can make it a different flavor every day.
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See, that's one point. You buy the flavor with lots of unhealthy shit you don't want.
I buy plain non-flavored whey powder. No flavors, no sweeteners, nothing added. Then, i add a banana one day, some frozen berries the other day, instant coffee, cocoa powder, mix it with juice, yoghurt, milk.
The possibilities are endless, and all it does is add some protein to other ingredients.
I buy 2kg of plain whey for about 30 Euros. One liter of milk has about 35grams of protein, and costs me 1 Euro. So for 30 Euros, i get about 1kg of protein out of milk, plus the fat and carbs i would have to take with that.
Protein powder is convenient and makes a high protein diet less expensive. And it tastes better at times.
You crazy gorilla. I don't eat that tuna (hit it hard for a few weeks about 4 or 5 years ago). You can't miss it in the shop tho. Takes up like a 1/4 of the aisle on one side, bottom to top.
Generally I'll have plain tuna with some home made mayonaisse (from olive oil), usually a sandwich. My main fish is still salmon tho, at least once a week.
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You crazy gorilla. I don't eat that tuna (hit it hard for a few weeks about 4 or 5 years ago). You can't miss it in the shop tho. Takes up like a 1/4 of the aisle on one side, bottom to top.
Generally I'll have plain tuna with some home made mayonaisse (from olive oil), usually a sandwich. My main fish is still salmon tho, at least once a week.
i try to switch to "fresh" fish, at least not canned. Here in Germany, you can only get deep frozen stuff in the supermarkets, or the canned garbage.
Kyomu had some great ideas about convenient food when we met up in Barcelona, like adding 400g of fresh tuna into Miso soup, that's fast and delicious. He is all about "live" food, and i have to agree that the less food is processed, the better it is. Even canned tuna goes a long way and isn't that much different from protein powder, if you think of it.
Fresh raw milk --- pasteurized milk --- protein powder --- amino acids
fresh tuna --- canned tuna
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For me protein powder is for extreme convenience. I'll wake up at 2:30am for work at times, and the last thing I want to do is sit down to a can of tuna at that hour!!! So I'll have my shake in the shaker bottle ready to fill with water and drink that as I walk out the door. Also, I have around 60-70g of protein in that shake, so that would be 2.5 cans of tuna, making it even more unbearable to sit down to at that hour!
I like shakes, but I certainly PREFER having solid food as much as possible.
QFT
I'm the same - I'm in work for eight hours a day before I get to go and train and having solid food all the time is an inconvenience - I have my whey protein shakes purely as an insurance policy when I've got a spare two minutes rather than plow through chicken and rice. I still have two solid meals whilst at work though on top of that. On weekends however when I'm not working it all changes and the vast majority of my meals are solid - loads of red meat and chicken. It's all about having the time on your hands to do it.
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It's nasty but convenient.
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i take a drink containing 50g of whey protein and 50g of dextrose right after a workout.
I buy my stuff from www.myprotein.co.uk I advise all the members here from the UK do the same.
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i try to switch to "fresh" fish, at least not canned. Here in Germany, you can only get deep frozen stuff in the supermarkets, or the canned garbage.
Kyomu had some great ideas about convenient food when we met up in Barcelona, like adding 400g of fresh tuna into Miso soup, that's fast and delicious. He is all about "live" food, and i have to agree that the less food is processed, the better it is. Even canned tuna goes a long way and isn't that much different from protein powder, if you think of it.
Fresh raw milk --- pasteurized milk --- protein powder --- amino acids
fresh tuna --- canned tuna
But did he talk about it in Japanese using lots of -wa topic markers?
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But did he talk about it in Japanese using lots of -wa topic markers?
lol, ha and ga and mo and some others as well....
::) ::)
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lol, ha and ga and mo and some others as well....
::) ::)
-wa=topic marker
-ha=? accusative
-mo=? dative
-ga=nominative
That right?
How many morphological markers are there in total?
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-wa=topic marker
-ha=? accusative
-mo=? dative
-ga=nominative
That right?
How many morphological markers are there in total?
sorry, but you're totally wrong.
You're mixing up topic markers and particles.
wa = ha (written with the hiragana "ha", but pronounced "wa)
mo = as well
ga = equivalent to moninative (cannot say that 100%)
"accusative" = wo (o)
"dative" = ni
If you're really interested, read this:
http://www.amazon.de/Japanische-Morphosyntax-Jens-Rickmeyer/dp/3872767186
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QFT
I'm the same - I'm in work for eight hours a day before I get to go and train and having solid food all the time is an inconvenience - I have my whey protein shakes purely as an insurance policy when I've got a spare two minutes rather than plow through chicken and rice. I still have two solid meals whilst at work though on top of that. On weekends however when I'm not working it all changes and the vast majority of my meals are solid - loads of red meat and chicken. It's all about having the time on your hands to do it.
I've made it!!! After 4k posts, I've finally made it on GetBig and have been "QFT'd" !!!!
I'm also "one of those guys" that has the Milos style shakes pre-intra-post workout, though I'm not buying his shakes. I make them from Trueprotein.com.
To me, I have my preferences as to how I'd like to ingest all my food. Certainly SOLID food reigns supreme, in my book. But with my schedule, driving a Class A truck and going to bed/waking up at such odd times, it's hard to live out of Tupperware, buy every meal, and/or sucking down chicken breast all the time. So, shakes as nearly a necessity for me, and since I can afford it, as well as the results I am happy with, I will continue to drink shakes.
The bottom line, isn't so much what kind of protein powder or source you are getting your protein from...
...it's that you are getting protein!!! Be it from a steak, tuna, shake, chicken breast or eating rice and beans.
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i take a drink containing 50g of whey protein and 50g of dextrose right after a workout.
I buy my stuff from www.myprotein.co.uk I advise all the members here from the UK do the same.
I've been ordering from them for about nine months now - excellent company - got some whey isolate and waxy maize on order right now.
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Who cares about sweeteners and shit?
i just wolf it down and move on, taste is irrelevant
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Hi Gene.
lol
Wish I could take credit for the genius that is NW83.
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Every single competitive amateur and professional bodybuilder I've ever known, and I've known 100's, has used protein supplements. No exceptions.
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Every single competitive amateur and professional bodybuilder I've ever known, and I've known 100's, has used protein supplements. No exceptions.
HOW AND WHY DO YOU KNOW SO MANY COMPETITORS
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HOW AND WHY DO YOU KNOW SO MANY COMPETITORS
Don't be hatin a schmoe
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Every single competitive amateur and professional bodybuilder I've ever known, and I've known 100's, has used protein supplements. No exceptions.
Yet, their basic protein source is chicken breast,Beef,eggs...etc.
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You want to give me more money for 'real food'?
Fuck satisfying, in two shakes I can cover 100gr of protein in a few seconds.
And I bet you're still covering your toilet bowl with the resulting squirts in a few seconds.
It's not what you ingest it's what you digest. Protein needs fat & an acidic environment.
Try this: replace you protein shakes with 3 whole eggs beaten lightly into 1-2 tablespoons of cream & 1-2 tablespoons of vinegar.
Let me know how you are after a month of this.
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i just wolf it down and move on, taste is irrelevant
I've kind of trained my mind to to do have to do whatever in order to get where I want. So no matter the taste of a horrid product, if I think it's the best thing for me to get where I want, then I'll do it.
Remember Liquid Clen by VPX? That shit was HORRIBLE TASTING!!! But damn did it ever make me feel good, so I kept taking it and learned to accept the taste. Not like the taste, but accept it.
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Some people here even say you shouldn't consume it at all? ???
Discuss...
Lou Ferrigno had the guts of saying that himself in August 90' Flex mag article on page 30.
""Despite the fact the I weight 270 pounds in hard condition, I only eat about 150 grams of protein per day. and yet i 'm able to make progress on this relatively small amount."
"What i try to do is make SURE that the protein comes ONLY from HIGH- QUALITY sources:eggs,fish,chicken nonfat milk products and amino acid capsules".
That's it, from a guy that went to weight close to 300 pounds by 1988 (20 years ago) for his Hulk return tv movie..
Next time you want to spend $50.00 in a 5 pounds protein powder think about it.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHH ISOLATE !!!
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Lou Ferrigno
""Despite the fact the I weight 270 pounds in hard condition, I only eat about 150 grams of protein per day. and yet i 'm able to make progress on this relatively small amount."
Nasser has said this in the past too. Claimed he's a genetic marvel or something. Either way, Nasser and Lou are full of shit.
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Nasser has said this in the past too. Claimed he's a genetic marvel or something. Either way, Nasser and Lou are full of shit.
"When Someone who got paid $$$$$$ to be on an add holding a bucket of protein for years tells you thats a waste of money" you better believe it
I dont know how can some folfs still have a doubt !
wooossshhhhhhhhhhh !!
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HOW AND WHY DO YOU KNOW SO MANY COMPETITORS
I was a drug dealer to the bodybuilding world for 10 years.
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I was a drug dealer to the bodybuilding world for 10 years.
wow, you must be a billionaire.
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And I bet you're still covering your toilet bowl with the resulting squirts in a few seconds.
It's not what you ingest it's what you digest. Protein needs fat & an acidic environment.
Try this: replace you protein shakes with 3 whole eggs beaten lightly into 1-2 tablespoons of cream & 1-2 tablespoons of vinegar.
Let me know how you are after a month of this.
dude you dont have to eat fat at every meal in order to digest protein. for example this morning i woke up and i drank 3 monster glasses of skim milk. then throughout the next 4 hours i drank two mass xxxl from gnc which are whey isolate and matlodextrin and i had two bananas. thats zero fat, about 150g protein, 400 gram carbs. all that protien was digested, no doubt.
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Some people here even say you shouldn't consume it at all? ???
Discuss...
ofcourse you should consume protien podwer my friend,,infact a weight gainer such as mhp up your mass or something like that its called ,,is actually very very good nutritious powder that can substitute for serious meals,,BUT!! and this is a huge but!!! when a fella like that getny something i forgot his fuckin name you know juiced up hormonized fella owner of supp company he post here alot,,you all know who im talkin about,,,the liar who claims he is 250lb at 6 feet all naturally yada yada,,,when a fella like him come here and in between jesus and locket talks about how this creatine is good and that is bad and this protien is timed to be realeased when you wake up at 3 am yada yada,,,when this guy come and spit this shit along with danta once in a blue moon they ove to come here about once every week,,,when they spit this balonnie it makes people like you serious bodybuilders and amatuer bodybuilders discusted with supplements and among them protien powders,,
you pay attention when those fellas come ,,,mishko,,palumbo,,danta fella ,getny,,they all comed when they got something to stuff up your ass,,when they wanna sell another bullshit supplement that can not work and will never work ,,
they live off begginers,,
if someone can realistically come here and say he is 5'11 250 naturally and pretty lean ,, then that someone will be able to lie his way into anything he wants out of you
its a cycle....the money they make off you for supplements go on their hormones and come to me!
life sucks but i always make sure i am thre last one to end fuckin those guys in the ass,,so dont you worry ,,you buy your shit from them but they buy their shit from us and thats where i fuck them well every single time
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ofcourse you should consume protien podwer my friend,,infact a weight gainer such as mhp up your mass or something like that its called ,,is actually very very good nutritious powder that can substitute for serious meals,,BUT!! and this is a huge but!!! when a fella like that getny something i forgot his fuckin name you know juiced up hormonized fella owner of supp company he post here alot,,you all know who im talkin about,,,the liar who claims he is 250lb at 6 feet all naturally yada yada,,,when a fella like him come here and in between jesus and locket talks about how this creatine is good and that is bad and this protien is timed to be realeased when you wake up at 3 am yada yada,,,when this guy come and spit this shit along with danta once in a blue moon they ove to come here about once every week,,,when they spit this balonnie it makes people like you serious bodybuilders and amatuer bodybuilders discusted with supplements and among them protien powders,,
you pay attention when those fellas come ,,,mishko,,palumbo,,danta fella ,getny,,they all comed when they got something to stuff up your ass,,when they wanna sell another bullshit supplement that can not work and will never work ,,
they live off begginers,,
if someone can realistically come here and say he is 5'11 250 naturally and pretty lean ,, then that someone will be able to lie his way into anything he wants out of you
its a cycle....the money they make off you for supplements go on their hormones and come to me!
life sucks but i always make sure i am thre last one to end fuckin those guys in the ass,,so dont you worry ,,you buy your shit from them but they buy their shit from us and thats where i fuck them well every single time
how bout 5'11" 240 and kinda lean ;D
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ofcourse you should consume protien podwer my friend,,infact a weight gainer such as mhp up your mass or something like that its called ,,is actually very very good nutritious powder that can substitute for serious meals,,BUT!! and this is a huge but!!! when a fella like that getny something i forgot his fuckin name you know juiced up hormonized fella owner of supp company he post here alot,,you all know who im talkin about,,,the liar who claims he is 250lb at 6 feet all naturally yada yada,,,when a fella like him come here and in between jesus and locket talks about how this creatine is good and that is bad and this protien is timed to be realeased when you wake up at 3 am yada yada,,,when this guy come and spit this shit along with danta once in a blue moon they ove to come here about once every week,,,when they spit this balonnie it makes people like you serious bodybuilders and amatuer bodybuilders discusted with supplements and among them protien powders,,
you pay attention when those fellas come ,,,mishko,,palumbo,,danta fella ,getny,,they all comed when they got something to stuff up your ass,,when they wanna sell another bullshit supplement that can not work and will never work ,,
they live off begginers,,
if someone can realistically come here and say he is 5'11 250 naturally and pretty lean ,, then that someone will be able to lie his way into anything he wants out of you
its a cycle....the money they make off you for supplements go on their hormones and come to me!
life sucks but i always make sure i am thre last one to end fuckin those guys in the ass,,so dont you worry ,,you buy your shit from them but they buy their shit from us and thats where i fuck them well every single time
And your point is?
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how bout 5'11" 240 and kinda lean ;D
anyone who ever touched 220 or over at 5'11 in lean condition as in sub 10% has been to hormones ,,
240....you talkin about constant use of gh in addition to aas
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anyone who ever touched 220 or over at 5'11 in lean condition as in sub 10% has been to hormones ,,
240....you talkin about constant use of gh in addition to aas
that's why i said "kinda" lean I'm curious as to what you think my hormonal status is.....I've been getting a lot of pm's from people that think I'm full of shit
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that's why i said "kinda" lean I'm curious as to what you think my hormonal status is.....I've been getting a lot of pm's from people that think I'm full of shit
whjos groink? groiudy? same person? groudy is natural i never seen groink before
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whjos groink? groiudy? same person? groudy is natural i never seen groink before
check my avatar
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check my avatar
well, there's a obviously tiny pic of a supposedly huge guy that wears god knows how many layers of clothes and fat.
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well, there's a obviously tiny pic of a supposedly huge guy that wears god knows how many layers of clothes and fat.
right click view image genius
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right click view image genius
ok, well, there's a obviously big pic of a huge guy that wears god knows how many layers of clothes and fat.
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ok, well, there's a obviously big pic of a huge guy that wears god knows how many layers of clothes and fat.
you're a dick ;D
ps that's one thin t shirt...the rest is all big G
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Lou Ferrigno had the guts of saying that himself in August 90' Flex mag article on page 30.
""Despite the fact the I weight 270 pounds in hard condition, I only eat about 150 grams of protein per day. and yet i 'm able to make progress on this relatively small amount."
"What i try to do is make SURE that the protein comes ONLY from HIGH- QUALITY sources:eggs,fish,chicken nonfat milk products and amino acid capsules".
That's it, from a guy that went to weight close to 300 pounds by 1988 (20 years ago) for his Hulk return tv movie..
Next time you want to spend $50.00 in a 5 pounds protein powder think about it.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHH ISOLATE !!!
Lou used so much GH for his 92 comeback he had to have his wrists operated on.
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you're a dick ;D
ps that's one thin t shirt...the rest is all big G
ok, one layer of shirt and 30% bf.
j/k, you look pretty big.
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Lou Ferrigno had the guts of saying that himself in August 90' Flex mag article on page 30.
""Despite the fact the I weight 270 pounds in hard condition, I only eat about 150 grams of protein per day. and yet i 'm able to make progress on this relatively small amount."
"What i try to do is make SURE that the protein comes ONLY from HIGH- QUALITY sources:eggs,fish,chicken nonfat milk products and amino acid capsules".
That's it, from a guy that went to weight close to 300 pounds by 1988 (20 years ago) for his Hulk return tv movie..
Next time you want to spend $50.00 in a 5 pounds protein powder think about it.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHH ISOLATE !!!
First of all, it doesn’t matter if Lou Ferrigno can grow on such a relatively small amount of protein. Chances are most people (including you) can't do that.
Secondly, spending $50 on 5-lbs of protein powder? That’s not necessary, as you can get that much protein powder (if not more) for about half that amount. At the very least, two jugs of Body Fortress Whey protein powder will run you about $28.
That’s not taking into consideration CLEARANCE SALES (namely as places like GNC and Vitamin Shoppe). The best deal I ever obtain was HDT’s 5+1 Whey Protein, on sale for $10, each. I ended up with three of them.
A couple of months ago, I got a 13-lb bucket of Mass XXX for $26. More recently, ON’s Nitro Core 24 was marked down to $35 for a 6-lb jug ($28 with Gold Card).
And, since it’s April, that means it’s “Buy One; Get One 50% Off” at Vitamin Shoppe on all its brand of goods, including the Vitamin Shoppe’s BodyTech line, in particular the Whey Tech protein powder. Ten pounds of that (two 5-lb jugs) will run you about $53.
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First of all, it doesn’t matter if Lou Ferrigno can grow on such a relatively small amount of protein. Chances are most people (including you) can't do that.
Secondly, spending $50 on 5-lbs of protein powder? That’s not necessary, as you can get that much protein powder (if not more) for about half that amount. At the very least, two jugs of Body Fortress Whey protein powder will run you about $28.
That’s not taking into consideration CLEARANCE SALES (namely as places like GNC and Vitamin Shoppe). The best deal I ever obtain was HDT’s 5+1 Whey Protein, on sale for $10, each. I ended up with three of them.
A couple of months ago, I got a 13-lb bucket of Mass XXX for $26. More recently, ON’s Nitro Core 24 was marked down to $35 for a 6-lb jug ($28 with Gold Card).
And, since it’s April, that means it’s “Buy One; Get One 50% Off” at Vitamin Shoppe on all its brand of goods, including the Vitamin Shoppe’s BodyTech line, in particular the Whey Tech protein powder. Ten pounds of that (two 5-lb jugs) will run you about $53.
Once again, why so obsessed with whey? Casein is a great protein in its own right with a different profile.
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Once again, why so obsessed with whey? Casein is a great protein in its own right with a different profile.
Why are you so obsessed with casein?
Different proteins for different times, i for my part think it's plain useless to supplement casein protein because you can get enough from milk products.
Whey protein, on the other hand, is only available in decent amount as a supplement.
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Why are you so obsessed with casein?
Different proteins for different times, i for my part think it's plain useless to supplement casein protein because you can get enough from milk products.
Whey protein, on the other hand, is only available in decent amount as a supplement.
Hmm...I guess. I don't really bother with dairy products because of the protein powder. I like time released proteins. Just convenient.
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Hmm...I guess. I don't really bother with dairy products because of the protein powder. I like time released proteins. Just convenient.
lol, you drink too many shakes.
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lol, you drink too many shakes.
Just convenient homey, convenience is my middle and last name and recently my first name too.... ;)
Aber ich hab mich verbessert. Jetzt liegt meine Zufuhr von richtigem Essen bei ca. 60%...
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Just convenient homey, convenience is my middle and last name and recently my first name too.... ;)
Aber ich hab mich verbessert. Jetzt liegt meine Zufuhr von richtigem Essen bei ca. 60%...
lol, good thing, but "convenience" is probably the reason why we get fat in the first way. ;D ;D
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lol, good thing, but "convenience" is probably the reason why we get fat in the first way. ;D ;D
Es ist aber eine andere Art von 'Convience'... ;D
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Once again, why so obsessed with whey? Casein is a great protein in its own right with a different profile.
It isn’t about obsession with whey, Deicide.
For starters, two of the powders I mentioned (Mass XXX and Nitro Core 24) are not pure whey protein powders.
If I’m “obsessed” with anything, it is with getting protein powder (regardless of type) cheap. It just so happens that most of the products on which I got the big discounts are whey protein powders.
I’ve done the same thing with soy protein. In fact, the last great deal with that was a 4-lb jug of GNC Soy Protein 95 for about $15. I grabbed a couple of them for that price.
The reason I don’t buy casein powder is 1) it’s too expensive; and I’ve yet to see any marked down for clearance; and 2) with casein being 80% of milk protein, I can get that much cheaper by simply getting cans of evaporated milk.
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Casein protein, found in milk and cottage cheese....
...best protein on earth in my opinion. Whey is good, but in comparison between the two, I'll take Casein any and every day of the week.
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protein powder is convenient... nothing against it from me
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It isn’t about obsession with whey, Deicide.
For starters, two of the powders I mentioned (Mass XXX and Nitro Core 24) are not pure whey protein powders.
If I’m “obsessed” with anything, it is with getting protein powder (regardless of type) cheap. It just so happens that most of the products on which I got the big discounts are whey protein powders.
I’ve done the same thing with soy protein. In fact, the last great deal with that was a 4-lb jug of GNC Soy Protein 95 for about $15. I grabbed a couple of them for that price.
The reason I don’t buy casein powder is 1) it’s too expensive; and I’ve yet to see any marked down for clearance; and 2) with casein being 80% of milk protein, I can get that much cheaper by simply getting cans of evaporated milk.
And, not but just a few hours after typing this, I hit a GNC store on the way to the gym and what do I find..........
Two 5-lb jugs of GNC's Mega Whey marked down to $10 each. That's $20 for 10 lbs of Mega Whey; actually it's April 2, which means GOLD CARD time.
So, those jugs actually cost me a mere $16.
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Casein protein, found in milk and cottage cheese....
...best protein on earth in my opinion. Whey is good, but in comparison between the two, I'll take Casein any and every day of the week.
QFT, studies show this too 8)
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QFT, studies show this too 8)
yes, yes, praise the Lord! :)
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yes, yes, praise the Lord! :)
Watch your mouth, convict!!
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yes, yes, praise the Lord! :)
Did you can get 10 lbs of casein protein powder for $16??
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Did you can get 10 lbs of casein protein powder for $16??
No...not really sure what I pay; I put in credit into my friend's business so I get a discount.
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It isn’t about obsession with whey, Deicide.
For starters, two of the powders I mentioned (Mass XXX and Nitro Core 24) are not pure whey protein powders.
If I’m “obsessed” with anything, it is with getting protein powder (regardless of type) cheap. It just so happens that most of the products on which I got the big discounts are whey protein powders.
I’ve done the same thing with soy protein. In fact, the last great deal with that was a 4-lb jug of GNC Soy Protein 95 for about $15. I grabbed a couple of them for that price.
The reason I don’t buy casein powder is 1) it’s too expensive; and I’ve yet to see any marked down for clearance; and 2) with casein being 80% of milk protein, I can get that much cheaper by simply getting cans of evaporated milk.
Yesterday, I hit the jackpot, in the form of RTDs, namely:
MET-Rx Big 100 (Apple Pie)- $0.97 each; got 3 of those.
ABB Extreme Body 50 (Vanilla Bean) - $0.87 each, got 8 of them.
Designer Whey (Grape) - $0.99 each, ended up with 3.
Instone Protein Pudding (Banana Cream) $0.49 each, picked up the last 3.
Extreme XXL (Strawberry Banana) - $0.99 each, there was only one of those. Same goes for CytoProtein (Tropical). I got those, instead of the IsoPure Zero Carb ($1.17 a piece). They were cheaper and not packed in glass bottles.
There were some 4-packs of NITRO-TECH RTDs for $3.75. I would have bought those; but the Extreme Body ones were cheaper. If they're still on the shelves, I might just snatch them up.
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damn mcway, you sure do find the deaqls. id love to find some of gnc mass xxxl rtd on sale for those kinds of prices. those are currently my rtd of choice when im in a bind and have to use one.
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Didnt read the entire thread but no one I ever knew that was big or advanced in this game didnt like powders. some guys use them heavy, I do
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the thing is with protein powders is that the evidence as to how they best work is so fragmented and anecdotal that we have no idea how to really use it....we basically blindly follow what the magazines tell us and we ingest about 2-3 shakes per day, but some say that this is whey too much (pun intended)
some say you should take in one shake a day because your body can't possibly absorb so much protein per day and per serving and it just winds up either being excreted or turned into fat
it's funny that we spend tons of money on tis product and NO ONE REALLY KNOWS how to use it
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the thing is with protein powders is that the evidence as to how they best work is so fragmented and anecdotal that we have no idea how to really use it....we basically blindly follow what the magazines tell us and we ingest about 2-3 shakes per day, but some say that this is whey too much (pun intended)
some say you should take in one shake a day because your body can't possibly absorb so much protein per day and per serving and it just winds up either being excreted or turned into fat
it's funny that we spend tons of money on tis product and NO ONE REALLY KNOWS how to use it
heres the problem.
people believe that if you can only grow a total of 2 grams of muscle per ray, that all you really need is 2 grams of protein per day in order to grow best. or, even if its possible to grow by 100 grams of muscle per day (abotu a lb of muscle in one day), then all one needs to consume is 100g of protein in one day.
this is false.
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the thing is with protein powders is that the evidence as to how they best work is so fragmented and anecdotal that we have no idea how to really use it....we basically blindly follow what the magazines tell us and we ingest about 2-3 shakes per day, but some say that this is whey too much (pun intended)
some say you should take in one shake a day because your body can't possibly absorb so much protein per day and per serving and it just winds up either being excreted or turned into fat
it's funny that we spend tons of money on tis product and NO ONE REALLY KNOWS how to use it
We do know how to use it.....It's called TRIAL AND ERROR!
Some need higher protein intakes; some need lower ones. Lou Ferrigno said is best, "Bodybuilding isn't something you analyze; it's something you go out and do."
Start with the basic rule of thumb of 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. If that's too much, LOWER your protein intake; if it's not.
You'd be best served to quit trying to write a thesis about the subject and just get it done.
heres the problem.
people believe that if you can only grow a total of 2 grams of muscle per ray, that all you really need is 2 grams of protein per day in order to grow best. or, even if its possible to grow by 100 grams of muscle per day (abotu a lb of muscle in one day), then all one needs to consume is 100g of protein in one day.
this is false.
And, the reason it's false is because building extreme muscle mass is the LAST thing on your body's agenda, when it comes to the use of protein. Protein is used for various functions and requirements, and it's only after all of those have been met, that extra muscle size comes into play.
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damn mcway, you sure do find the deaqls. id love to find some of gnc mass xxxl rtd on sale for those kinds of prices. those are currently my rtd of choice when im in a bind and have to use one.
Actually, I've never tried the Mass XXX RTDs, nor have I ever seen them on sale. I have used ABB's Extreme XXL RTD, which is similar. That's the one I got for $0.99.
The Mass XXX RTDs have pure whey protein. The 6-lb jugs and 13-lb buckets have whey, casein, and soy as their protein sources. It's the 13-lb bucket, to which I was making reference (when speaking to Deicide) that I got for $28.
I got those on the 9th. But the GNC that sold them didn't have them out during the first week. Otherwise, I would have used by Gold Card and obtained them for even less.
However, there are some GNCs (other than the ones on military bases) that let you use your Gold Card every day. However, the only ones I've seen are in Florida. That's how I ended up with two jugs of Anator P-70 (which I think might be discontinued) for about $20.
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Didnt read the entire thread but no one I ever knew that was big or advanced in this game didnt like powders. some guys use them heavy, I do
For some strange reason, there's this posse of people (MidniteRambo refers to them as the "Whole Food-ist Cult"), who think that they're "hardcore", because they don't use supplements (particularly protein powder). They're under the impression that evil bands of supplement companies and magazine publishers are uniting to hypnotize them with glossy multiple-page ads, loaded with ripped and massive bodybuilders (complete with half-naked, silicone/saline-enhanced models, shrink-wrapped to them), to bleed them of their hard-earned $$$$$.
But, they're not falling for it. They're "hardcore"; they're just going to eat regular food and grow (Of course, half of them have no clue how to eat properly, which is why they can easily accuse anyone with 2 ounces more muscle than themselves as being "all drugs").
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We do know how to use it.....It's called TRIAL AND ERROR!
Some need higher protein intakes; some need lower ones. Lou Ferrigno said is best, "Bodybuilding isn't something you analyze; it's something you go out and do."
Start with the basic rule of thumb of 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. If that's too much, LOWER your protein intake; if it's not.
You'd be best served to quit trying to write a thesis about the subject and just get it done.
And, the reason it's false is because building extreme muscle mass is the LAST thing on your body's agenda, when it comes to the use of protein. Protein is used for various functions and requirements, and it's only after all of those have been met, that extra muscle size comes into play.
no one is trying to write a thesis McWay.....you and I basically said the same thing but differently..you mentioned TRIAL AND ERROR..which is basically the same as ANECDOTAL......there is no one standard to judge whether the protein ingestion is working or by how much.....you say this and I say that......everyone using protein powders say one thing or another...there is no true coherence to the experiences of people using Protein..or many other supps for that matter....I guess we would all have to use the same protein powder, at the same times, using the same dosages, and do the same workouts for a prolonged period of time to judge their true effectiveness...not just go by what you say or I say or some other average joe says....and professional BBer's are the worst people to take advice from on this subject because they are on drugs and would grow if they never ever touched a protein shake
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no one is trying to write a thesis McWay.....you and I basically said the same thing but differently..you mentioned TRIAL AND ERROR..which is basically the same as ANECDOTAL......there is no one standard to judge whether the protein ingestion is working or by how much.....you say this and I say that......everyone using protein powders say one thing or another...there is no true coherence to the experiences of people using Protein..or many other supps for that matter....I guess we would all have to use the same protein powder, at the same times, using the same dosages, and do the same workouts for a prolonged period of time to judge their true effectiveness...not just go by what you say or I say or some other average joe says....and professional BBer's are the worst people to take advice from on this subject because they are on drugs and would grow if they never ever touched a protein shake
All of us have taken advice from professional bodybuilders (mainly via muscle magazines). The worst attitude you can have is to think you can't learn anything from them, because they take steroids. It ain't as if they took them from the instant they started lifting their uncle's/brother's/dad's old cement weights.
Advice from pros is how I learned that training to failure was not best for my physique and that I needed to ingest more protein myself. And, I started during the late 80s/early 90s, when high-carb intake was in fashion.
I used to think (as some still do) that supplements were worthless (especially protein powder). But, more in-depth reading helped me realize that these guys were ingesting lots of protein powder, in addition to their regular meals. I modified their advice to my body, accordingly, and the results picked up.
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All of us have taken advice from professional bodybuilders (mainly via muscle magazines). The worst attitude you can have is to think you can't learn anything from them, because they take steroids. It ain't as if they took them from the instant they started lifting their uncle's/brother's/dad's old cement weights.
Advice from pros is how I learned that training to failure was not best for my physique and that I needed to ingest more protein myself. And, I started during the late 80s/early 90s, when high-carb intake was in fashion.
I used to think (as some still do) that supplements were worthless (especially protein powder). But, more in-depth reading helped me realize that these guys were ingesting lots of protein powder, in addition to their regular meals. I modified their advice to my body, accordingly, and the results picked up.
good for you McWay.....nice post....can't argue with that because this has been your experience....still, others experience varies....we'll never be able to outprove each other on this subject...