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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: MindSpin on June 16, 2009, 12:42:48 PM
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Jul-11-2009 7pm PT/10pm ET
Maincard:
Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir
Georges St-Pierre vs Thiago Alves
Jon Fitch vs Paulo Thiago
Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs Alan Belcher
Undercard:
Mark Coleman vs Stephan Bonnar
Mac Danzig vs Jim Miller
Jon Jones vs Jake O'Brien
Dong Hyun Kim vs Jonathan Goulet
CB Dollaway vs Tom Lawlor
Matt Grice vs Shannon Gugerty
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Can't wait for this card.
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Even the undercard is decent. I hope they air the Jon Jones fight, as well as the Bonner/Coleman one....
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Great card. I too wanna see Jon Jones
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How's that look?
are those your pics?
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are those your pics?
Yeah, might as well be. What do you think?
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I think Mir has too much for Brock on the ground
People overlook Mir at their peril
on his day he is nails
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I think Mir has too much for Brock on the ground
People overlook Mir at their peril
on his day he is nails
I don't think Brock will make the same mistake twice. ;)
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Lesnar is a completely different fighter than the first time he faced Mir. But Mir looked good in his last fight. Should be interesting. I'm getting to Hooters EARLY for this one. :)
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"The Nogueira fight was just another boost to my confidence."
"Brock Lesnar and I will represent - How much does size play in? Does it outweigh technique and experience?"
"I think the stand-up is my advantage and the ground is my advantage. I can't wait."
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Mac Danzig talks to MMAWeekly.com:
"I put a lot of pressure on myself leading up to that Neer fight... Looking back at it, maybe I shouldn’t have put so much pressure on myself. Going into this one, let’s face it, it’s do or die for me."
"I’m facing an extremely tough guy. It’s a tough fight because Miller's one of those guys where he doesn’t really have a big name in the sport yet because he hasn’t got a chance to show what he’s all about against guys on a main card. People from the main stream fans that don’t really follow the sport closely probably expect me to win and it’s a tough situation."
Jim Miller talks to MMAWeekly.com:
"I’m coming off one loss, Danzig's coming off two. If I was coming off another loss in a row I’d definitely be really fired up to go out there and whoop some ass..."
"I know Danzig's dangerous everywhere. He’s probably one of the better guys everywhere that I’ve fought. He definitely has a great (submission) game and he’s got very solid hands, so he’s a threat wherever the fight leads. I just look at it as I want tough fights. That’s what I want, that’s why I’m here. The Gray (Maynard) fight was my third fight in the UFC and I’m fighting a top contender, in a matter of months. It’s where I think I belong and it’s where I want to stay."
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Just around 18 months ago, I wrote a little series of posts about how wrestlers lose in MMA fights, especially when they are new to the sport. We covered: Basic Chokes, Knees to the Face, the Armbar, and as a cautionary tale, I did a special post on the travails of Sean Salmon.
I wrote the posts as a primer on the pitfalls awaiting the decorated amateur wrestler Brock Lesnar in his UFC debut. Not being psychic, I failed to anticipate the kneebar just like Brock Lesnar failed to anticipate the kneebar.
The MMA Ninja had a good account of the action:
After they were stood up, Mir tried two more kicks which Lesnar countered with a few hard punches which knocked Mir down. Lesnar pounced on Mir, landed in the sidemount/north side and proceeded to unleash another flurry of very hard looking punches. For a moment Mir turned on to his knees and Lesnar quickly spun around him to continue punching from the sidemount on the other side. Mir brought his legs up to try an armbar but Lesnar easily got out of that before he was in any danger. Lesnar continued to keep pressuring Mir with more punches from the top of the guard. He stood up and stepped into Mir's half guard where Mir went for a leglock. Lesnar spun away and threw himself away and down to try to get his leg away from Mir, but Mir held on and went for a kneebar. Lesnar tried to escape for a few seconds and tapped.
Brock Lesnar has been talking about his take on the kneebar:
Just because he caught me in a knee bar, it doesn't mean he's gonna get me in another submission. I mean I gave him that knee bar and he knows that. Prior to that was I in any vulnerable positions? No, he was.
His trainer Greg Nelson has a more nuanced analysis:
He's so athletic that it's easy for him to learn stuff, unlike the first fight, you know, his first fight he was a bit maybe too fast paced, a little too hyper-charged, that got him in a little bit of trouble. So this time he's been in there, slowing down a little bit. He's got heavier hands, better boxing, better jiu-jitsu, and wrestling's going to obviously be his strong point. Bottom line, I think you're going to see a lot more of the same of the first fight - except for his ability to defend the ground is going to be a lot better.
I should add that I no more expect Frank Mir to win by kneebar in the rematch than I expect to wake up covered in gold dust in the morning.
Unlike the moves I discussed in the original "How Wrestlers Lose in MMA" series, the kneebar isn't a pitfall that especially plagues wrestlers moving to MMA. Unlike the guillotine choke or the knee to the face, a kneebar isn't something that happens when you make a mistake on a takedown attempt. Unlike the arm bar or triangle choke, the kneebar isn't a submission that you fall into while riding in your opponent's guard and trying to work ground and pound.
The kneebar is a submission of the scramble and usually fighters with wrestling pedigrees like Lesnar's don't find themselves in many scrambles with fighters like Frank Mir who are not especially gifted or skilled wrestlers.
Simply put, Lesnar made a really boneheaded mistake in their first fight, but Frank Mir is such a skilled submission artist and is so quick on the ground for a heavyweight that one mistake is all it took.
Lesnar could easily make another mistake at UFC 100.
In the full entry, Frank Mir demonstrates the knee bar to Joanne of the MMA Girls
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MMAMania talks to Fitch about his opponent at the next UFC:
Derek Bolender (MMAmania.com): Your next opponent is Paulo Thiago at UFC 100. He’s still a bit of a mystery at this point. What do you know about him as far as his strengths and weaknesses?
Jon Fitch: He’s scrappy. That’s the biggest thing about him. He’s a really scrappy guy. He can come in at different angles than you’re used to. He can do things he’s really not supposed to and still get away with it. I have to be very careful and very tight with my technique and keep some good pressure on him but I can’t get into that risk game.
Derek Bolender (MMAmania.com): Your teammate Josh Koscheck fought him at UFC 95. Has he helped you out a lot as far as what you can expect to see from Paulo?
Jon Fitch: We couldn’t really get much out of that fight. It was a short fight. Koscheck was doing a good job and winning the fight up until he got caught. You can’t learn a lot from it but we we’re able to catch some videos of him and see some other fights and get a perspective of what he’s about.
Fitch is right that we really didn't learn much about Thiago from that fight. He was seemingly being dominated on his feet by Koscheck before landing the big KO punch. It reminds me very much of Fedor vs Arlovski. Like Andrei, Koscheck came out and dominated most of the opening round with better striking technique and scored repeatedly with strikes while taking no damage. Then mistakes were made and some dudes got themselves KTFO'd.
Obviously Paulo Thiago is no Fedor, but he's clearly a fighter you have to respect.
Derek Bolender (MMAmania.com): If you’re fortunate enough to get past Paulo do you feel like that will be enough to earn you another title shot against the Georges St. Pierre/Thiago Alves winner?
Jon Fitch: I might need another fight. Thiago and GSP are fighting the same night. I’d like to fight again sooner than probably they’re going to be ready to after that fight. It depends on the bosses and what they say. I know that I need at least one or two more impressive wins, not just normal victories, and I know I’ll put myself right back into a title shot.
Fitch says he doesn't have a preference between GSP and Alves, but the fact remains, he's fought both men and GSP put a beating on him. Alves, on the other hand, Fitch flat-out mauled. He's got to be rooting for the dangerous Brazilian striker in that UFC 100 fight because he's got an excellent claim on a very quick title shot if Alves is the champ. If it's GSP, Fitch can look forward to watching GSP vs Anderson Silva and maybe 2 welterweight title defenses before he gets close to getting a shot.
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Talks to MMAWeekly.com :
"There’s just so much more that I need to know. Martial arts is endless, there’s no one who knows it all. Bruce Lee was great, but did he have takedown abilities, did he have great jiu-jitsu? No. Right now, I’m trying to be a true champion, and I want to do the things that Bruce Lee wasn’t figuring out. I want to be like a Muhammed Ali that can actually wrestle and do jiu-jitsu. I’m hungry to be the best. I know there’s a lot of guys out there saying that, but I truly mean it."
"Jake O’Brien has been shooting that same double leg takedown for the three or four years he’s been in the UFC, and I’ve prepared myself to stop his takedowns." "I’ve been working submissions from the front headlock position, and I’m prepared to be there a lot."
And UFC.com:
"With the Stephan Bonnar fight I felt like I was Jonny Jones at 15 percent, and right now [heading into the O’Brien fight] I feel like I’ve kicked it up to maybe 17 percent."
-- Jon Jones (8-0), confident about his upcoming fight against Jake O’Brien (11-2) at UFC 100.
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Has Lesnar ever addressed this?
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Didn't watch the first video.......4+minutes is too much time, but from the second one I can say.........the guy holding the pads is a little twink and those pads don't weigh 275 or hit back. :D
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MIR all the way..
Lesnar needs to pay his dues..
A Young Randy Cotoure would of owned Brock Lessnar...
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LOL
That tattoo he sports is terrible.
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I'm thinking (based on how Mir looked against Nog) that if he keeps some distance for the 1st 3 minutes,he's got the hands to make Lesnar pay for any mistakes he makes standing up...
mir's a southpaw with under rated boxing skills...
question is how long can he stand there if he can't hurt Brock...
sometimes a good chin can be the great equalizer..
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i think for brock to win this fight he needs to use controlled aggression, i believe the reason brock lost last time against mir was he got over aggressive and wanted to finish the fight quickly. dont get me wrong, i love seeing 2 guys going full speed at eachother in a intense fight. i think mirs hoping brock gets over aggressive again so it will be easier to seize one of brocks arms or legs, it brock stays tight in mirs guard and pick and chooses his shots he will dominate. brock has to stay busy enough to not keep getting stood up, i pretty much think they are pretty equal in striking imo. brocks worst place to be in this fight is in mirs guard especially in the first 2 rds when they arent very slipperry and its alot easier to lock onto a limb. i think brocks going out there to jurt mir real bad, brocks got a huge ego and he doesnt like losing, especially to mir whos been talking some hard core chit lately
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The question has been brought up ever since the confirmation of the bout between the two Ultimate Fighter coaches, and it remains one of the most critical questions involving the stylistic matchup between the two fighters. Can Michael Bisping actually out-wrestle a former Olympic wrestler?
In order to really delve deep into the heart of the idea of Bisping matching Dan Henderson's skills in the wrestling department, it's vital to breakdown the fight stylistically as to what each fighter offers. Historically, Dan Henderson is a fighter who doesn't truly fight to his own strengths. He's been cast by some fans as a "Gurgelian" type of fighter in that he mainly battles it out with top competition by unleashing powerful overhands rather than resorting to his wrestling base to punish opponents on the floor.
While I wouldn't necessarily make the comparison to Jorge Gurgel's mindset, his style doesn't play to his strong suit all of the time. Henderson isn't likely looking for a 'Fight of the Night' honor like Gurgel, but he probably feels that his right hand can ultimately end the fight in quick and devastating fashion. I wouldn't argue with that idea, but when a fighter is taking on some of the toughest competition in both the middleweight and light heavyweight divisions, being completely one-dimensional isn't a sure-fire way to dominating the competition.
Looking at Henderson's past performances, it's obvious that he still possesses some phenomenal take down defense due to his background in wrestling. Rich Franklin had a tough time stacking up against Henderson's defensive wrestling, and he had an even tough time escaping the powerful shots from Henderson's loaded right hand. Up-and-comer Rousimar Palhares found it exceptionally tough to take down Henderson, but he did manage to put Henderson in trouble at one point during the match. The difference between the two fights is that Franklin had the tools standing to be effective while Palhares ultimately had to get the fight to the ground to win.
Furthermore, many fans push arguments regarding Henderson's lack of wrestling ability from his PRIDE days. Specifically, there were a few PRIDE battles in which opponents with inferior wrestling were able to get Henderson down repeatedly due to his over aggressive style in that era. While I think Henderson has become a bit more patient during his reign in the UFC, this argument does bring up some interesting questions in this matchup if Henderson tries to pummel Bisping with overhands early. It wouldn't be unfathomable that Henderson makes the same mistakes from his PRIDE days with the possibility that Bisping could potentially put Henderson in a bad position from that mistake.
The 'Rampage' Jackson fight is a very interesting addition to the argument because Jackson isn't a world beater in the wrestling department, yet he was able to hold his own against Henderson. With Jackson helping Bisping train for this match along with Bisping himself stating that he intends to beat Henderson in the wrestling game, it gives me a notion that we could begin seeing an even more evolved Michael Bisping.
Wolfslair wrestling coach Zach Light offered his view of how the matchup will go to Fighters Only magazine:
"He will take Dan Henderson down more than one time in the fight. He will, that’s how he is going to win the fight. That is how I see it. When they start trading I think Mike will win the scrambles. Dan is a great scrambler but in a scramble situation I think Mike is going to come out on top every time. [Bisping] is fighting a guy that I have competed against, in the sense that Rampage fought him before. What I have done is basically helped him complete his strategy for the fight. Wrestling-wise I am probably one of the best MMA-wrestling trainers in the world at the moment. There is no doubt in my mind that he will end this fight before the third round."
While Light is a very good wrestling coach, it isn't exactly convincing considering Bisping's past performances against Matt Hamill and Rashad Evans. Light also trains Cheick Kongo, who seemingly had no answer to Cain Velasquez's top notch wrestling credentials.
Ultimately, I see this fight going down much like the Franklin battle with a lot of additional take down attempts. If Bisping can create a scramble, he may be able to continually punish Henderson, but there is always the one-shot right hand knockout in Henderson's arsenal. We know that Bisping's footwork, speed, and technical boxing skills have improved significantly since his stint on The Ultimate Fighter, but it's obvious that Henderson has also improved since his days in PRIDE. He has become much more patient in using his powerful overhand to punish opponents while remaining less committed in his stance. It truly makes it a much more formidable task to try to change levels on Henderson while he unloads.
Can Michael Bisping out-wrestle Dan Henderson? History would say there isn't much of a chance of that, but then again... is Bisping capable of evolving into a top notch athlete at the pace that guys like Kenny Florian and Rashad Evans seem to have done in a much shorter amount of time than most fighters in the UFC?
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"Bisping is no better on his feet that I am. He definitely doesn't have more power than I do. The only thing Bisping has going for him is his cardio."
"I'm a better fighter, more experienced. I just want to make sure my conditioning is there."
"When I watch Henderson, I don't see a problem for me to be honest. I've learned how to deal with wrestlers. I know 20 ways to get back up to my feet. Now I'm virtually impossible to hold down."
"I very rarely get hit. I'm going to be too quick for Henderson. I haven't been knocked out. Henderson is slowing down. There's no reason why I shouldn't win the fight, if I fight at my full potential."
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UFC 100 Preview: Greg Jackson's Mixed Martial Arts
"When we are scouting a fighter for a fight… Yeah, we do watch a ton of film. We try to indentify what he's good at, what's he's not good at. Understand my fighter, what he's good at, what he's not good at. And then play to our strengths and their weaknesses."
"And a lot of it, sometimes you can see big things, sometimes you see little things. But it's a really intricate science for myself."
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UFC 100 will see the promotional debut of one of Zuffa's biggest ever MMA signings. The funny part is almost no one watching will care. Yoshihiro Akiyama is the definition of "big in Japan" and unlike Spinal Tap, he doesn't have a decade's worth of hits here statewide.
He's easily the most popular Japanese fighter to fight in the U.S. for an American promotion in the history of modern MMA. Dave Meltzer explains:
... Akiyama is, with the exception of only Kid Yamamoto, the biggest television ratings draw of Japanese MMA fighters, he is also hated in the country.
Akiyama has a strange dichotomy, because as much as he’s hated in Japan, he’s loved in South Korea, as the country’s current martial arts hero. At this point there are no plans to run live events in South Korea, but UFC does have television in that country and Akiyama on its roster greatly bolsters its standing.
As our own Luke Thomas said at the time of Akiyama's signing, this isn't about the U.S. audience. Akiyama is a Trojan Horse to help the UFC sneak into the Japanese market. He's also a huge draw in South Korea (we'll get to why in a minute), where the UFC has been making serious headway. If Akiyama can string together a series of wins and earn a title shot, don't be shocked if the UFC suddenly gets serious about putting on a show in South Korea or Japan.
Meltzer also worries that Akiyama has never recovered from a KO via illegal kick to the face:
After Akiyama was knocked out cold on December 31, 2007, by Kazuo Misaki, he has not been the same fighter. He is slower to react, which is the kiss of death against top competition. Fighting Entertainment Group, the promotion behind K-1 in Japan, was well aware of this, putting him against two non-fighters in his only matches this past year. Unless his reflexes suddenly snap back to pre-knockout levels, UFC is paying big money for a fighter who may very well be shot.
The UFC is putting that proposition to the test immediately. Rather than sheltering their big signing, they're throwing him in against Alan Belcher. Belcher is the kind of opponent managers hate. He's dangerous enough to have beaten Denis Kang and Jorge Santiago but erratic enough to have losses to Jason Day and Kendall Grove. Beating Belcher doesn't really get you anywhere and he's a very real threat to beat anyone by KO or submission. If Akiyama beats Belcher, particularly if its in convincing fashion, we'll know he's got real potential to make an impact in the UFC.
Style-wise, Akiyama is very different than Karo Parisyan, the judoka with whom UFC fans are most familiar. He's won plenty of fights by submission, but doesn't have much of a track record of using high-flying throws in the MMA ring. Instead he's often fought more like another judoka who's beginning to break out in the U.S.: Hector Lombard. Like the Cuban Olympian, Akiyama often uses his top-flight Judo skills to keep things standing or get top position where he can bring the power of his fists to bear.
If Akiyama is at 100% and not shot as Meltzer fears, we shouldn't be surprised to see him stay on his feet with Belcher and even get the KO.
If Akiyama can deliver the goods in the Octagon, American fans are still likely to miss why he's such a big deal in Japan. There are two reasons. First, he's of Korean descent but is a fourth generation Japanese. His Korean name is Choo Sung-Hoon. That might not sound like a big deal here in the U.S., but in Japan that means he's very much an ethnic underdog. More on this in the full entry. Secondly, he's been involved in two of the most controversial No Contests in Japanese MMA history.
Sergio Non talked to Akiyama about his perception in Japan:
That said, how much does it bother you to be viewed as a villain in Japan?
It's something that is created in Japan, and I accepts it as a fact. There's nothing I can do at this point.
More on these controversies in the full entry, plus enough fight videos to waste your whole evening.
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David K. of Bleacher Report stakes the claim:
In comparison to his pound-for-pound contemporaries, Georges St-Pierre is widely viewed as the prototypical fighter. MMA legend Frank Shamrock perhaps said it best, in an Apr. 2009 interview with BleacherReport.com's Brian Oswald.
"We are in the midst of an evolution in the sport...Georges St-Pierre is the perfect example. The evolution of the athlete and the evolution of the art go hand in hand."
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Shortly after a Best Fighter nomination for the ESPY Awards last summer, the Canadian star was the first mixed martial artist to sign with CAA Sports-an agency that represents the likes of Derek Jeter, David Beckham, and LeBron James-in October of last year.
The implications of this strategic alliance could be monumental for St-Pierre-and mixed martial arts as a whole-specifically in terms of endorsement deals and general exposure.
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One of St-Pierre's most relatable attributes may be his perceived vulnerability. In fact, his uncharacteristic attempts at showmanship-i.e. "I am not impressed by your performance."-often resemble scenes from a casting tape. Fittingly so perhaps, as the image-conscious athlete is, at times, reminiscent of what his childhood idol, Jean-Claude Van Damme, has failed to remain: a Hollywood star.
There's a tiny bit of truth to this analogy in that GSP is the MMA fighter who has had the most success in cutting major marketing deals -- CAA, Gatorade, THQ, etc.
But there's one huge difference. When Michael Jordan cut his legendary Nike deal, the NBA was already the most popular sports league in the U.S. Jordan was a rare combination of charisma and athletic ability, but he also had the great good fortune to come into the sport in the wake of a unique generation of superstars who had guaranteed a mass audience for Jordan. GSP may be the closest we've come to a Michael Jordan of MMA, but without a Magic Johnson, a Larry Bird, a Kareem Abdul Jabar and Isiah Thomas to come along and build a massive popular audience, it's just not the same.
We're still in the early days of MMA. As Josh Gross points out, we haven't yet seen the first true MMA superstar:
It really comes down to the stars of the sport, and not the manufactured kind. At some point, fighters will emerge out of the pack. For a variety of reasons the public will come to accept and root for them. They'll be tremendous competitors, embodying everything that's wonderful to watch about MMA.
Moreover, they'll represent something larger than themselves. A struggling town. A cause. A group of people. A period in time. Whatever it is, MMA hasn't experienced this yet, but when it does -- and it will -- you'll know.
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Lesnar
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As much as i dispise Bisping, I don't count him out of this fight.. he's young and aggressive..
if i had to bet though, it's with Hendo.
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Didn't watch the first video.......4+minutes is too much time, but from the second one I can say.........the guy holding the pads is a little twink and those pads don't weigh 275 or hit back. :D
It's actually a good radio interview...
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mir
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Lesnar will kill him
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I want Mir to win. Lesnar is too much of a meathead for me
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MIR all the way..
Lesnar needs to pay his dues..
That's why I'm rooting for Lesnar......I think it's funny as shit that this guy walks into the UFC and his 3rd fight is a championship fight, which he wins! ;D
I hope he knocks Mir on his ass like he did the first time they fought, then hops abourd with some improved G&P and finishes him this time.
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Dan by KO
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Tickets: Getting into the sold-out fights will cost you quite a bit more. Tickets start at $497, and can cost you as much as ... wait for it ... are you sitting down ... $40,000 per ticket. That's right, you can either buy yourself a new Honda, or you can have a cageside ticket for UFC 100. There is plenty of in-between ground there, like seats in the lower bowl for around $1000. A grand per ticket is hardly cheap, but it's still a seat in the fights that will not give you a nosebleed.
Hotel: The bad economy has affected tourism in Las Vegas, which means you can stay there for relatively cheap rates. Hotels.com has rooms for as cheap as $25 a night, you can stay on the strip at the Tropicana for $80 a night, or in the Luxor, which is attached to Mandalay Bay, for $140. Actually staying at Mandalay Bay will cost you quite a bit more, as in $286 a night. (Note, if you book with Hotels.com, they charge your credit card ahead of time, so don't book until you know you're going.)
Getting there: This close to the event, airfares are getting pretty high. According to Orbitz, from my own hometown of Chicago, it would cost between $500 -- $600, between $550 -- $700 from Boston, $450 -- $600 from Dallas, and $170 -- $350 from Los Angeles. You can also save quite a bit on your flight if you combine it with your hotel on a Web site like Travelocity or Orbitz.
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they could stick the octagon in thier asses cause whos gonna pay 40,000 gees for a fight, to be honest imo if your paying over 100-150 $ your getting screwed. you could watch it home instead and take your family on vacation to hawaii for those prices for tix and ill guarantee youll have a way better time for your money
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you miss so much when your actually at the fights, it's not even worth going unless you're just there to be there....
went to see forrest and tito and it was basically a waste of money
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I think hendo's gonna take the guy to school....
Bisping already proved he's in over his head with a pure wrestler with Hamel,and even Hamel was touching his chin at will when they kept it standing....
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I hope he knocks Mir on his ass like he did the first time they fought, then hops abourd with some improved G&P and finishes him this time.
there's been other guys that were more impressive than brock in their first couple fights in the UFC (Kongo & Gonzaga come to mind) but with the coin that Dana's probably paying Lesnar he would have been an idiot to not capitalize on that success right off the bat....
all things considered, Lesnar did'nt look all that impressive against a much smaller Couture...
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you miss so much when your actually at the fights, it's not even worth going unless you're just there to be there....
went to see forrest and tito and it was basically a waste of money
i hear ya geo, i was seated 10 rows back from the octagon watching ufc high voltage in atlantic city and only paid 125$ a ticket. that was back in 2000 i believe. im not sure cause it was awhile ago but i think the main event was randy vs rizzo or tito vs tanner, and the rest of the card was awesome as well. sean sherk fought, i think chuck as well as randleman was also on the card. these days your lucky if you can find a seat in the nosebleed sections up near the roof of the arena for under 200$ :'(, i new once the ufc went mainstream the hardcore fans that supported the ufc through all the hard times where gonna get screwed if they didnt make decent money cause not everyone can afford those prices for ppv never mind the outrages tix prices.
to be honest me and me wife are on a pretty tight budget cause were trying to save to buy a little ranch house in the next 3 or 4 years, so its hard for me to take a afew hundred $$$$ out of the bank so i can watch a ufc event live. i rather take my son and wife out for the day and have a blast or buy my wife and son some gifts, i guess it boils down to priorities. dont get me wrong, for yous guys that got it good id say go have a great time at the ufc,s, let me finish by saying this, all ufc fans should attend at least 1 ufc event in thier lifetime cause youll be amazed how cool it is hanging out talking to the fighters and being there feeling the adreneline rush thats circulating through the arena
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i want nothing more then to see dan rip bispigs head off, i dont want no decision cause bispig will be coming up with excuses saying he hurt his leg yesterday sparring or whatever. i want dan to end it brutal and fast and hurt bispig
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Totally agree. Bisping should get slaughtered and I hope he does.
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there's been other guys that were more impressive than brock in their first couple fights in the UFC (Kongo & Gonzaga come to mind) but with the coin that Dana's probably paying Lesnar he would have been an idiot to not capitalize on that success right off the bat....
all things considered, Lesnar did'nt look all that impressive against a much smaller Couture...
And, he couldn't finish Herring....
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And, he couldn't finish Herring....
That was then, hopefully he has used his time wisely and learned how to choke.......maybe you should play poker with him. ;D
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I got Mir
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The story of the $40,000 ticket to UFC 100 is now getting mainstream press coverage, from the Vancouver Sun:
Ultimate Fighting Championship events generally cost a pretty penny to attend, and getting a spot at ringside isn't just a matter of having the means to pay for it - you also have to buy your tickets within a few minutes of them going on sale.
But demand for tickets for July 11's UFC 100 mega-event at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, in which Canada's Georges St Pierre will defend his world welterweight title against Brazilian Thiago Alves, is so heavy that ticket resellers are asking as much as $40,000 for a ringside seat.
But they miss the real story as to why there's so much demand. Rumor has it that Tom Atencio is passing out huge stacks of Affliction T-Shirt money to anyone who will sit cage side and chant FEDOR! FEDOR! Ok, so the part about Atencio buying the tickets is something I just made up, there is a scheme to chant FEDOR! FEDOR!:
Sometimes the Power of the Potato Nation is just too strong to be ignored, brother. For those of you who don't hang out in our forums section, you missed this recent brainstorm from "LargeMidget":
I was just thinking how cool it would be if the crowd chanted Fedor's name after the upcoming heavyweight belt unification match. Dana would probably shit his pants, and then hopefully get out the checkbook.
The point is of course that this fight doesn't truly determine the best heavyweight in the world because Fedor is still #1. Consider this the beginning of a virally coordinated effort to make this happen.
Despite some parade-raining by "My Fight Wiffa Cheeto," our friend "kadumel" took up the mantle and began promoting the idea on several MMA message boards. Though his thread on Sherdog was taken down for unknown reasons (maybe it was too awesome?), his thread on the UG is flourishing, with almost 100 responses, most of them positive — which inspired one supporter (or kadumel himself, it isn't really clear) to launch an official homepage for the movement, fedorchant.com. All from one little post on one little message board.
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Ariel Helwani got this out of Frank Mir during the UFC 100 conference call transcript:
"I can point out why I think Brock has been successful at striking because we've actually had to address that in my training camp," Mir said on a call to promote UFC 100. "Brock's reach for his height is actually long. A lot of people don't realize that. They talk about his size, his power. Brock is almost 6-foot-4 ... his reach is actually really long. I remember even watching when he beat Randy, and he slipped that punch from Brock. He thought that he was out of the way, and that punch kept on coming, it kept on coming, and it kept on coming. And finally it just caught him and he went down."
Mir added that he had to find sparring partners who are taller than Lesnar so he could practice trading punches with someone who had the same arm length as Lesnar.
"I have two sparring partners that are 6-foot-7 and one who is even 6-foot-8 that we spar with," Mir said. "I had to find training partners that are three or four inches taller than Brock to even how long his arm reach is. Which, you know, if you watch boxing, that's the reason everyone sits there and goes, 'Well, what's his reach?' That's a very helpful tool in a fight -- how big the reach advantage is. Especially if you're throwing punches. The longer your arms are, the better it is."
Mir is very right to worry about Lesnar's reach. He should be concerned with his power too.
Under striking coach Ken Hahn, Mir's striking has improved dramatically in the last year. But many remain convinced that his battering of Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira had more to do with the staph infection that had Big Nog in the hospital five days before the fight than any technical improvements worked by Hahn and Mir.
Here's Hahn talking to MMA Junkie about prepping Mir for that fight:
I had Frank train with reputable professional boxers - one heavyweight and one light heavyweight. Then I had him spar with kickboxers, wrestlers and Olympic-level judo players.
When you have a chance to train with so many different high-level guys, there's just no way around improving. .You've got to get better.
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The bottom line is Frank was willing to listen and do whatever I said. I mean, who's going to say, "You're going to spar professional boxers today? Well, I'm not a boxer." I don't care. You're going to box them, and you're going to survive because that's what is going to get you the hand speed. That's why he was so much more efficient boxing.
He also drops this very interesting nugget about Mir's transition from southpaw to conventional stance and back over the course of his career:
t's because he was originally a southpaw, and then he got into that accident, so he switched to regular stance to favor his non-injured leg. After the (Brock) Lesnar fight, his leg was fully healed, and we decided to go back to his regular fighting stance and go back-and-forth.
His true fighting stance is southpaw, though he integrated the two fighting stances. You can see he actually had three or four fights where he fought in regular stance. And that's enough experience to be able to defend yourself. But, when you look at how he defended from a southpaw stance, he looked 20 times better than from a regular stance.
If he was fighting from a southpaw stance against Brandon Vera, he probably wouldn't have got caught by Brandon's knee. But from a different stance, you have to relearn everything from the beginning.
Frank's a lot more confident in that left-hand stance. But he can switch in and out, and that's what made him so elusive against Nogueira. Looking at the distance and the timing, every time Nogueira tried to step in, he was already gone. And then he would take an angle and weave and throw his punches. It was like in slow motion.
Mir's definitely the underdog going into this fight. In my mind it's going to come down to his ability to stand with Lesnar, avoid the long arms and massive power they carry. If Mir can score on the feet, that and only that will force Lesnar to take the fight to the ground.
If Lesnar charges out and takes the fight to the ground again, he's making a huge mistake. He already lost to Mir once on the ground. Why take that risk when he's got the reach and power advantages on his feet. It's a five round fight, if Lesnar can be patient, the fight should be his.
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I thought it would be festive to build up to UFC 100's heavyweight title fight by reviewing some of the big submissions from Frank Mir's career.
First up, his UFC 36 submission win over Pete Williams using a shoulder crank that is now commonly referred to as the "Mir Lock."
First some background on Mir, via 411 Mania:
Frank Mir was born on May 24, 1979 (making him 30 years old today) in Las Vegas, Nevada. He was born into a martial arts family, as his parents ran a Kenpo Karate school, so naturally Frank became versed in martial arts. After watching UFC 1, he was amazed how the bigger, stronger guys were getting taken down and submitted by Royce Gracie. His father pushed Frank to learn wrestling as he thought that this would help Frank be able to defend submissions. When Frank first got into wrestling he lost his first 7 matches before going on to eventually win the Nevada State wrestling championship in 1998.
As a teenager Frank received his black belt in Kenpo and after high school he began to take a liking to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Instead of going to college Frank decided to focus on martial arts training instead. Frank Mir met up with Joe Silva (UFC matchmaker) while Silva was visiting a school that Frank was instructing. The two began to talk, and Silva suggested that the UFC would be interested in having Frank fight for their organization if he could first prove himself on some smaller shows. This prompted Frank to take on Jerome Smith at HOOKnSHOOT-showdown on July 14 2001, in his first professional MMA fight. The fight went to a two round decision and Frank was declared the winner. One month later on another independent card Frank fought Dan Quinn, but this time he ended the fight with a triangle choke in the first round. Directly after this fight the UFC made Frank an offer.
In his UFC debut, Mir shocked everyone by submitting BJJ blackbelt Roberto Traven with an armbar. Traven was a Mundial and ADCC champion so that got people's attention. But it was at his second UFC fight that Mir landed the first of the submissions that would make his reputation.
A simple jiu jitsu shoulder crank that really shouldn't get a tap out at the UFC level, the move looked spectacular when Mir used it to beat the well-known Lion's Den fighter Pete Williams in 0:46 of the first round. Williams biggest win was a kick to the face KTFO finish of Mark Coleman at UFC 17 but he had faced Ricco Rodriguez, Tsuyoshi Kohsaka and Kevin Randleman and never been submitted
Mir's got guard position, on his back with his legs wrapped around Williams' hips. He establishes an overhook on Williams' right arm with his left. He gets it deep enough to force Williams' arm to bend. Then he clasps his hands in a gable grip and cranks. Tap out.
Here's Mir describing the move in the post fight interview:
I pulled guard. I went for a triangle. He didn't give it to me, but he let me sink the arm deep. He didn't react like he knew it was dangerous so I knew I had him. He didn't know what was going to happen so I went over for the shoulder crank.
Its just a jiu jitsu move. I caught the arm and started to sink it. I was actually doing it to get him to get him to panick for a triangle. But when I saw his hand come up I realized he was in trouble and I just gave it everything.
This was the end of Williams' MMA career. He was only 27, but there just wasn't the money in the sport to keep him around. Not an all time great, he was still a key member of one of the early teams that dominated MMA and his highlight reel win over Mark Coleman will remain a staple of highlight reels.
For Mir this was just the beginning of a roller coaster career.
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good post ;)
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Its gonna be fucking amazing. Even if you dont like UFC you should buy this event.
Just check out the fucking card
* Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs.Interim Champion Frank Mir[1]
* Welterweight Championship bout: St-Pierre vs. Thiago Alves[1]
* Welterweight bout:Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago[1]
* Middleweight bout: Dan Henderson vs. Michael Bisping[1]
* Middleweight bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Belcher[1]
A niiiice preview video
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AND BROCK IS GOING TO RUN OVER FRANK MIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AND BROCK IS GOING TO RUN OVER FRANK MIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go to starbucks and ask for a quad espresso.
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Mir would probably never fight again after this fight because he is gonna get crushed.
So any mir fans...
Enjoy his last match
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Lesner and GSP are exciting fighters
to be honest though, I'm more looking forward to Bruno
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Alex Mercer will win...
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Lesner and GSP are exciting fighters
to be honest though, I'm more looking forward to Bruno
lol! cant wait. That am i gonna see high lol
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Georgie's original quote TM; :P
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Georgie's original quote TM; :P
yeah makes alot of sense.
oh wait what now
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If you look, at brocks mid sectrion it looks very soft and flabby.Back when he was with the WWE he was alot leaner, and his stomach was flat.Now he has a belly.Is it because they drug test these guys??
I just saw Brock Lenar in a Dymatise add and he looks like a fat ass blob.He needs to lose atleast 20-40 lbs of fat if he is going to get back into the ring, or gewt back on the sauce.
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If you look, at brocks mid sectrion it looks very soft and flabby.Back when he was with the WWE he was alot leaner, and his stomach was flat.Now he has a belly.Is it because they drug test these guys??
I just saw Brock Lenar in a Dymatise add and he looks like a fat ass blob.He needs to lose atleast 20-40 lbs of fat if he is going to get back into the ring, or gewt back on the sauce.
Bodybuilders seem to always judge people just on how they look. They're fighters GetIt not guys prancing around flexing their muscles or putting on wrestling shows. Leave it to Brock to decide how much fat he should carry before he gets into the ring. I think he knows a bit more about fighting than you do. He's only the HW champ. Look at Fedor. I'm sure you'll crush him in a pose off but in a fight, I believe it would be you paying a visit to your broken jaw tavern.
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i have a strange feeling pispig is gonna jab and run the whole fight while hendo chases him, once hendo cracks him one time pispig will be running hard
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Even if you dont like UFC you should buy this event.
Hmm.. perhaps I should go to this fight.... and sit in the seventh row on the floor...
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alves and lesnar could win
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This is a great card. I can't wait.
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i hate stupid fucking ufc crap
dumb dumb dumb
and one thig thats so stupid is people think these guys are the best fighters in the world... pleasse... guys who can actually fight dont even bother with this bullshit... its for guys who have to constanty prove to themselves and toher people that they are able to hurt other guys....and they fucking suck at it.. pracing aorund the ring takign 10 minutes in a fight... andy real fight is going to last no more than a minute or to..no matter how goo the fighters are matched... intense fighting is way too drainign for 10 minutes of bullshit..
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i hate stupid fucking ufc crap
dumb dumb dumb
and one thig thats so stupid is people think these guys are the best fighters in the world... pleasse... guys who can actually fight dont even bother with this bullshit... its for guys who have to constanty prove to themselves and toher people that they are able to hurt other guys....and they fucking suck at it.. pracing aorund the ring takign 10 minutes in a fight... andy real fight is going to last no more than a minute or to..no matter how goo the fighters are matched... intense fighting is way too drainign for 10 minutes of bullshit..
Say you, Tbombs, just happened to be the best fighter in the world. Say you worked as an accountant or a life guard. Say you could make millions, like Chuck Lidell and Randy Couture, would you stick with your regular job or take a crack at the UFC?
What do you know about fighting? Have you ever trained in MMA? Have you ever gone against an MMA fighter? How long do you think you'd last, or anybody you personally know, against a pudgy BJ Penn in a real fight? I can assure you that before Penn got into the UFC he was very familar with street fighting. He'll tell you that the UFC is no joke. The Gracie family grew up fighting on the street. A fight is short when one fighter is much better than the other. Helio Gracie fought for 3 hours in a no holds bar Vale Tudo (anything goes fight).
And what's this nonsense about real fighters having nothing to prove? Every athlete in any sport competes to challenge himself and to prove he's the best to himself and to others. It's like saying a real bodybuilder never takes off his shirt because he has nothing to prove.
You're out of your element here. Stick with what you know: nutrition, AAS, cross dressing and anal sex.
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BTW, Kimbo gained fame as a street fighter. He loss to a mediocre UFC fighter in one of his closed door matches. This "real" street fighter has proven a bitter disappointment in MMA when going against trained athletes. There's still hope for him. He just needs more training with high level UFC/MMA fighters -- which is what he's doing. I don't think he thinks UFC fighters are a joke.
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Hmm.. perhaps I should go to this fight.... and sit in the seventh row on the floor...
You little tease you
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If you look, at brocks mid sectrion it looks very soft and flabby.Back when he was with the WWE he was alot leaner, and his stomach was flat.Now he has a belly.Is it because they drug test these guys??
I just saw Brock Lenar in a Dymatise add and he looks like a fat ass blob.He needs to lose atleast 20-40 lbs of fat if he is going to get back into the ring, or gewt back on the sauce.
Tank Abbott never had abs,either did chuck liddell for the most part
Both very good at punching people in the face though
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Tank Abbott never had abs,either did chuck liddell for the most part
Both very good at punching people in the face though
Bro, Dont fucking compare tank abbot the the PURE athletism of Brock Lesnar not even lidell.
If any retards doesn't think Brock knows how to get in enough cardio shape you're all nuts. after 100+ amateur wrestling matches you know this shit.
He did 3 rounds against heath herring punching and rwestling the entire time and had more in him after the fight.
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Bro, Dont fucking compare tank abbot the the PURE athletism of Brock Lesnar not even lidell.
If any retards doesn't think Brock knows how to get in enough cardio shape you're all nuts. after 100+ amateur wrestling matches you know this shit.
He did 3 rounds against heath herring punching and rwestling the entire time and had more in him after the fight.
I was just making the point that abs or not,Lesnar an knock people the fuck out
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I was just making the point that abs or not,Lesnar an knock people the fuck out
Lesnar is in good shape though, Not wwe shape ofc because he was juicing there.
(http://mmacity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ufc81_brock_lesnar_vs_frank_mir.jpg)
(http://fouledout.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/brock-lesnar.jpg)
but he doesnt look flabby there?
Remember Mir is a BIG man. but stand him next to our aryan hope and baam
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Brock had calf implant surgery this past weekend, so don't expect his movement and agility to be 100%
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i would beat this brock guy
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Mir will take it again.1st rd submission.
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From MMA Junkie:
"I would have to say that our school was really ahead of the curve," Nelson said. "We started training mixed martial arts in, well, it was 1992, but even before I had my own school we were already mixing Thai-boxing and shootwrestling, and I wrestled for the University of Minnesota. We just always had been putting stuff together and combining. That's kind of how I did things.
"We've had a really good training camp, a lot of guys in there," Nelson said. "This has been an extremely good camp because we've had a lot of guys that are big and can move. We brought in a guy from Arizona who was an all-armed forces boxing champion who is 300 pounds and can hit like a Mac truck."
"Brock is a very smart fighter," Nelson said. "Since his first fight, he went in there and that was more just pure get-in-there, raw aggression, try to run them over like a truck. You could see from that fight to Heath Herring to then with Randy Couture, you see a steady growth in his striking development and ability to pace himself – control to not be so anxious in the ring.
"He's got the ability to really run through you like a freight train, ... but at the same time he now has a lot more movement."
They brought in 7 time world jiu jitsu champ Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros to train Lesnar before the Heath Herring fight, but I haven't heard who they've brought in for this camp.
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Frank Mir's striking coach talked to MMAWeekly:
"I think the best thing for Brock would be get as crazy as possible and come out of the box like that. That’s how he’s going to beat Frank. If he tries to get technical and try to play the striking game, he’ll get crushed. If he tries to do the jiu-jitsu game, he’ll get crushed. He hasn’t been training long enough. How can somebody get better in six months?
We’re not gonna throw kicks like we did in the first fight. In the first fight, he was still a little anxious with me and wanted to show he had learned. It’s a beginner’s mistake; why are you gonna throw a kick in the open field? This time, I think he’s going to feel him out, box him, frustrate him, because I think Brock’s going to throw hands and try to knock him out and I don’t see how that’s going to happen. Brock has no kicks, so we’re not worried about his kicks or knees. It will probably be a boxing match, then Brock will get hit with something, and get submitted or knocked out. Then in the third or fourth round, here come the low kicks, so we can further frustrate him. The biggest thing is if Frank stays relaxed and moves laterally, you’ll see a seminar."
Kehn Hahn is among several others who think that Frank Mir can use Brock's relative lack of experience to overcome his size and strength advantage.
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i would beat this brock guy
Suicide bomb vests aren't allowed in the ring, Turkish Titan.
Brock Lesnar = most overrated fighter on the planet right now.
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Beau Dure at USA Today has posted the first two installments of our top 50 fights in MMA history series. Again here's the criteria:
Some of the 50 fights we'll list aren't necessarily the best MMA bouts, but all of them are milestones for one reason or another, for better or for worse. The idea is to show how the sport has evolved. These are the fights that made the sport what it is today.
Here's the first 10 fights, covering 1993 to 1996 (the links go to previous MMA History pieces we've done that discuss the fight in question):
Ken Shamrock def. Masakatsu Funaki, Sept. 21, 1993; Pancrase 1
You can watch this fight here. The Pancrase rules will be a bit of a shock to modern MMA fans. They didn't allow closed fist strikes while standing and a "gentleman's agreement" precluded striking on the ground. Nevertheless, this match from the premier event of the "hybrid wrestling" promotion was a key moment in the development of modern MMA. Shamrock surprised everyone by beating Funaki, the man who had taught him submission grappling in their several years of doing worked wrestling matches together. Thus, when Ken Shamrock traveled to the states a couple of months later and fought in the UFC, he was truly fighting as the champion of Japanese shootfighting. Their 2nd and 3rd fights are worth a look too.
Royce Gracie def. Ken Shamrock, Nov. 12, 1993; UFC 1
Unfortunately for Ken, once he got there he found that he was in the same quarter finals bracket as a representative of an even more robust proto-MMA tradition: Royce Gracie. Royce's jiu jitsu allowed him to capitalize on the weaknesses of Shamrock's submission over position style. His gi allowed him to sink a choke that Shamrock probably didn't know was possible. This fight is still a hoot to watch today. One thing I've always found kind of ironic is that Gracie's Brazilian fighting tradition was based on Japan's ancient jiu jitsu fighting style, while Shamrock's Japanese fighting tradition was based on the English/American catch-wrestling style first brought to Japan by Ad Santel and Karl Gotch. Right from the beginning, modern MMA was a cultural melting-pot.
Royce Gracie def. Kimo Leopoldo, Sept. 9, 1994; UFC 3
This was the first MMA fight I ever saw, but that's not why it's on the list. Kimo was the first opponent to expose cracks in Royce Gracie's seemingly invincible aura. Kimo showed that a mad brawling intensity and a major size and strength advantage could really give Royce trouble. Take a look. Its a very ugly fight by today's standards. There is hair pulling and repeated and deliberate nut shots and it was all legal. This fight occured in a tournament that was designed to end in a Gracie vs Shamrock finale, but Royce had to drop out after this fight (which he did in the cage at the beginning of his next fight, picking up a loss) and Shamrock injured himself/quit after his quarter-finale win. This began a pattern of Shamrock botching major events that continued all the way up to the death of EliteXC.
Ken Shamrock vs. Royce Gracie, draw, April 7, 1995; UFC 5
This is NOT a fun fight to watch and probably did as much to kill the commercial momentum of the early UFC as John McCain. Shamrock had been watching Royce closely in the two years since their first match and had figured out that if he just turtled up in his guard, Royce wouldn't be able to do much about it. This was before the stand up rule so Shamrock literally stalled for the full 30 minute regulation period. In the overtime, he landed a right hand that put a big mouse on Royce's face before they returned to Royce's guard. It was officially a draw, but it effectively ran Royce Gracie out of the UFC. After this event, his brother Rorion sold his ownership share in the UFC and Royce wouldn't return until UFC 60, eleven years later.
Ken Shamrock def. Dan Severn, July 14, 1995; UFC 6
This one was a fun one, well worth a viewing. Severn was the first modern MMA fighter to come out of a collegiate/Olympic wrestling background. His run at UFC 4 ended with an epic loss to Royce Gracie (in a match that's on my top 65 list for sure). Royce showed everyone what a triangle choke was -- a move so unexpected that the UFC commentators had no idea what was happening. Severn went on to win the tournament at UFC 5, setting up this "Superfight" at UFC 6. Effectively this is the beginning of the UFC heavyweight championship belt that Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir will fight for next week. In this one, Severn shows that he is a physical force to be reckoned with, but he just isn't ready for even the most basic submission holds -- in this case a guillotine choke. Shamrock would hold the UFC superfight title until Severn took it in their UFC 9 rematch, also known as the worst MMA fight of all time.
David "Tank" Abbott def. John Matua, July 14, 1995; UFC 6
This was acutally earlier in the same evening as the Shamrock vs Severn fight so technically should be #5 on this list. Oh well. Its also the first UFC fight I ever saw live on PPV. I wasn't the only budding jiu jitsu acolyte who was stunned and staggered by the brutal beating the thuggish Abbott inflicted on his burly opponent. Abbott made MMA safe for testosterone addicts who wanted to see pure brutality and raw power get their due. Abbott actually had a fair amount of wrestling and boxing training, but that wasn't really dwelt on in the presentation of this outsized new character. He went on to lose in the tournament final to Sambo stylist Oleg Taktarov in a fight with a good bit of drama, but Tank is the one who got people talking.
Marco Ruas def. Paul Varelens, Sept. 8, 1995; UFC 7
UFC 7 saw the emergence of yet another new stylistic tradition that would go on to become a major influence in the modern MMA mix: Muay Thai. The brutal traditional prize fighting style of Thailand was brought to the UFC by a Brazilian, Marco Ruas. His use of leg kicks to chop down the giant Paul Varelens was a triumph of technique. Ruas was also the earliest UFC competitor to combine effective grappling with a solid standup attack. He had studied no-gi grappling with Brazil's top Luta Livre camps. Unfortunately, he didnt get to continue his rivalry with Jiu Jitsu (see this fight from the 1980s for Ruas vs BJJ) in his MMA career, nor would he ever top this win, but his influence is seen in virtually every modern MMA fight when the leg kicks fly.
Dan Severn def. Oleg Taktarov, Dec. 16, 1995; Ultimate Ultimate '95
The UFC's Ultimate Ultimate tournament was the kind of event that MMA fans have come to know all too well, a fight card so impossibly stacked with dream matchups that it can't help but disappoint. Bringing four UFC tournament champions (Severn, Taktarov, Ruas and Steve Jennum) together with four of the most formidable also rans (Tank, Varlens, Keith Hackney, and Dave Beneteau) into one eight man tournament delivered a few good fights, but it also featured some dancing from Ruas and a bravura display of lay and pray from Severn. Nevertheless, the final between Taktarov and Severn, a rematch of their UFC 5 bout, was the kind of battle between an expert positional grappler and a master of submissions that I still find to be a treat. This event firmly established a clear pecking order among the early major UFC fighters not named Shamrock or Gracie and Severn emerged on top, setting up his rematch with Shamrock at UFC 9.
Don Frye def. Gary Goodridge, Feb. 16, 1996; UFC 8
If the Ultimate Ultimate closed the books on the first chapter of UFC history, chapter two opened with a bang at UFC 8. It was possibly the most action packed UFC to date. Both Frye and Goodridge scored spectacular knockouts in the early rounds of the tourny and their collision in the finals was one of the best back and forth fights in the early years of the promotion. Frye brought a more polished version of the boxer-wrestler blend and Goodridge relied on raw power. That wouldn't be enough as Frye unleashed some of the first dirty boxing MMA fans would see.
Bas Rutten def. Frank Shamrock, May 16, 1996; Pancrase - Truth 5
This bout was the apex of mid-period Pancrase. Still hobbled by their eccentric rule set, they continued to put on great fights. Rutten was a Muay Thai trained Dutchman who had learned submissions on the job in the hybrid wrestling league. Frank Shamrock was the adopted younger brother of Ken Shamrock and a key member of the early Lion's Den gym team. Not just an epic battle, this bout was a key formative experience for the young Shamrock. It marked the end of his early run of triumphs and began a series of defeats that he would have to dig deep to recover from. For Rutten, it represented a star at his apex. Dominating his league and reaching a career high even his brief run as UFC champ wouldn't match. Watch the fight in the full entry. Also see this post on Bas Rutten.
Keep your eyes peeled for the next installment of this series and let me know where you disagree in the comments.
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"It's just another fight and I'm going to take GSP out." "GSP will try to impose his will, take me down and work from the top. But I'll be ready for anything."
"I can stop anybodies take down. I've been training for this my whole life; I can stop GSP's takedown". "I’m not really worried about what GSP is going to do. I know what I'm going to do and I'm going to knock him out"
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"I've trained with him two times and he looked really sharp. I put my money on him against B.J. Penn.
"Kenny Florian is a great training partner, and is going to be a great champion, and he's also a greater person and human being (than B.J. Penn)."
Georges St Pierre talking to MMA Weekly about training partner Kenny Florian.
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas - BJ Penn's message to Kenny Florian:
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Brock Lesnar credits God for his physique
July 2, 2009, 10:08 pm
http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/48871852.html
By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune
Last update: June 23, 2009 - 2:12 PM
Former University of Minnesota wrestling All-American Brock Lesnar, the current Ultimate Fighting Champion heavyweight title holder, took a swipe at President Obama in an interview and bragged that he is "built like a black man" as he credited God -- and not steroids -- for his physique.
Lesnar's smorgasbord of comments came in an interview with Maxim that was published in May and posted Friday on Fightline.com, a website that covers mixed-martial arts, ultimate fighting and other forms of professional wrestling.
Lesnar was a two-time All-American and 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion for the Gophers. His post-college career took off when he became a star with the WWE for two years, a part of his life that he recalled with some regret.
"You live a double life," the 285-pound Lesnar said. "I was tired of trying to be who I was in the ring and then coming home for two days to be normal. They didn't allow you to be. The guys who get out are the smart ones, really and truly."
Lesnar also took a swipe at President Obama when talking about having money for the first time in his life while in the WWE.
"I acted foolishly," he said in the interview, noting the he owned four homes (one in western Hennepin County), a private plane, two Hummers and a Mercedes. Asked whether he has saved for retirement, he responded: "That's private. But if Obama keeps spending our money like this, I'll have to fight till I'm 50."
Concerning steroids and his ability to stay ripped, Lesnar said.
"I bet you I've taken over 60 steroid tests. In college, I had 15 random drug tests in two years. I've taken drug tests for the NFL, the WWE, the UFC. I must be pretty good at masking steroids. God gave me this body: Are you jealous of it or what? Give me a break.
"I got the genetics of--not to get into racism or anything--but I'm built like a black man. Would you say so?"
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tbombz, that is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in a while. That was the argument 15 yrs ago when this started.
There are a few MMA fighters that may not do as well in a street fight as you'd expect because of temperment, but the majority of the guys would be a nightmare to fight. This isn't boxing, karate or pure wrestling with tons of rules...all this shit works as well on the street as in the ring. The fact that you don't already know this makes leads me to assume you have never done real MMA training.
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I can honestly see him right now being on GH and nothing else. The man Is a freak.
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Lesnar = Typical UFC douchebag.
Look forward to the day Dana White and his retarded ultimate fighting is a distant memory. Like all trends this bullshit will run its course eventually.
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tbombz, that is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in a while. That was the argument 15 yrs ago when this started.
there is no need to even discuss anything with people who are that ignorant..
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Lesnar = Typical UFC douchebag.
Look forward to the day Dana White and his retarded ultimate fighting is a distant memory. Like all trends this bullshit will run its course eventually.
douchebag??
He lives in the country, has his own house in the middle of nowhere, doesn't have internet or a tv and drives a little shitty car because he doesn't need anything else, yet he is a multi millionaire.
SOunds like a real douchebag to me.
Retard.
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Brock Lesnar credits God for his physique
July 2, 2009, 10:08 pm
Im guessing you're a black man angry because lesnar genetics own every single black man genetics on this planet.
Its alright for blacks to say they have better genetics then whites.
but OH MY GOD if a white person says it ::) ::)
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swede has aryan genetics
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Mir will take it again.1st rd submission.
Ok "dawg" haha. Mr stereotype ::) ::)
(http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/image/s_water-melon-slice.jpg)
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anyone with common sense knows what brock has been "On" in the past.so him trying to say god gave him that build = him being a douchebag.
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anyone with common sense knows what brock has been "On" in the past.so him trying to say god gave him that build = him being a douchebag.
he is still on drugs
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anyone with common sense knows what brock has been "On" in the past.so him trying to say god gave him that build = him being a douchebag.
Have you any idea what type of training he has done his entire life?
To say he has built his body because of steroids and not that just proves that your average bl*** man has lower iq.
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Anyway ;D
Hopefully he doesn't get caught in a submission.
The ref Ruined the first fight that brock should have won.
Cant stand masagatti. But he will never be the ref for another brock fight.
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He looked like this when he was 16. And basically he looks the same right now just Bigger.
(http://www.brock-lesnar.mobi/images/brock-lesnar-12.jpg)
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I will stay up to like 7 in the morning to watch this fight, and if brock wins I will go fucking NUTS.
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Have you any idea what type of training he has done his entire life?
To say he has built his body because of steroids and not that just proves that your average bl*** man has lower iq.
have you any idea what cycles he's been running his entire life?
to say he built his body because of god is laughable to say the least.And the fact that you immediately resort to name calling when your views are challenged shows your IQ.factor that in with the fact you really don't know if I'm black or not while your posting up elementary school type comments and pics of watermelon.we'll lets just say no one needs to put much effort into owning you as you seem to do a good job of that on your own.
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why do you love brock swede?
he looks like a gorilla
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have you any idea what cycles he's been running his entire life?
to say he built his body because of god is laughable to say the least.And the fact that you immediately resort to name calling when your views are challenged shows your IQ.factor that in with the fact you really don't know if I'm black or not while your posting up elementary school type comments and pics of watermelon.we'll lets just say no one needs to put much effort into owning you as you seem to do a good job of that on your own.
Ofc you're black "dawg".
Well the man was blessed with his GENETICS anyway, so if he believes in god as he does, you could could say god gave him his body.
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Swede:
Get off Brock's dick you midget queer.
You seriously need to go get a hobby or something.
Your hero worship borders on latent homosexuality.
Please get a fucking life - that would involve going to school and moving out of Mummy and Daddy's house.
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why do you love brock swede?
he looks like a gorilla
Brock is the type of athlete you see once each century, Its a honor watching him during my lifetime.
And hes a Tall Blond haired blue eyed arayan bastard and PROUD of it. (I wish I was)
And I loved him back in his first wwe days, Such power has never and will Never be seen in the wwe again.
People like to talk shit because they only know about his wwe days, Not his amateur wrestling record of 106–5 overall in four years of college.
That is INSANE.
And hes a humble guy that doesn't waste his money aka doing the black person thing.
Hell he doesn't even own a nice car.
But he is cocky come fight time and he should.
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Swede:
please stop being rude to me I cant handle it.
::)
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Brock Lesnar = most overrated fighter on the planet right now.
probably the most Underrated.
The dude has the potential to become one of the most dominating HW of All times. (if we ignore fedor)
Its a shame ufc didn't allow him to fight normal fighters first, not just fucking title holders.
But Brock wanted to see if he was good at it right away or not.
And now hes the champ so...
I still dont see him as the champ though, after he crushes Mir I will.
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How is a guy that is 3-1 (already losing to Mir once) and having not beaten anyone who isn't 5+ years past their prime yet worshiped as a God already, underrated? ::)
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How is a guy that is 3-1 (already losing to Mir once) and having not beaten anyone who isn't 5+ years past their prime, underrated? ::)
Its not even worth discussing if you honestly just wrote that and not trying to kid..
Have you even seen anyone not taken down by couture?
Have you ever seen anyone knocking down mir with the first punch in the fight.
Have you ever seen anyone knocking down heat herring with the first punch in the fight.
Have you even seen anyone manhandle heath like brock did?
Have you even seen anyone manhandle couture the way he did?
Have you even seen anyone manhandle mir the way he did.
Have you even seen a 260+ pound dude move like that?
The answer to all of those is No.
But Like I said, It would have been cooler and it would have gotten him more respected if he had to work hsi way up to the title shot.
Add some submissions and sumbmission defence to his arsenal and hes pretty much unbeatable.
Ufc have never seen anyone with the size/strenght/potential like Brock has. yet almost everyoen hates him. Except the people that Know their shit. Me / joe rogan lol.
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Its not even worth discussing if you honestly just wrote that and not trying to kid..
Have you even seen anyone not taken down by couture?
Have you ever seen anyone knocking down mir with the first punch in the fight.
Have you ever seen anyone knocking down heat herring with the first punch in the fight.
Have you even seen anyone manhandle heath like brock did?
Have you even seen anyone manhandle couture the way he did?
Have you even seen anyone manhandle mir the way he did.
Have you even seen a 260+ pound dude move like that?
The answer to all of those is No.
But Like I said, It would have been cooler and it would have gotten him more respected if he had to work hsi way up to the title shot.
Add some submissions and sumbmission defence to his arsenal and hes pretty much unbeatable.
Ufc have never seen anyone with the size/strenght/potential like Brock has. yet almost everyoen hates him. Except the people that Know their shit. Me / joe rogan lol.
Manhandle Mir? HE LOST. Looked really great getting subbed like that. Haha.
And Fedor decimated a Heath Herring who was in his PRIME. That was a manhandling. Not Brock Lesnar beating up on a guy who hasn't looked good since 2004.
You referencing fighters that are a 1/2 decade past their better days does not make Brock Lesnar into the God you think he is. He's 3-1 and already lost to a good but not great fighter in Mir. The fact he's already "accomplished" so much in the UFC HW division shows how much of a joke that division really is.
Most overrated fighter on the entire planet. Hasn't proved shit. This Brock Lesnar lust is amusing, though. Talk about throwing your weight behind an untested fighter.
Will you kill yourself if Mir beats him AGAIN?
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Manhandle Mir? HE LOST.
So what did he do with Mir until the ref did a retarded diesicion and Brock got caught in a sub because of his lack of experience.
he HANHANDLED him, And Rogan and Dana agrees. I'm guessing you know better though lol! ::)
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So what did he do with Mir until the ref did a retarded diesicion and Brock got caught in a sub because of his lack of experience.
he HANHANDLED him, And Rogan and Dana agrees. I'm guessing you know better though lol! ::)
Doesn't matter. He lost. If he was the God you say he is, he would've won. At that time Mir didn't even look like a top 10 fighter. Since then he's gone on to beat up a bunch of guys who are years past their prime. Underrated indeed.
Most overrated fighter on the planet.
Your man lust for him is creepy. I'm guessing you'd let him blast you in the face if he asked. :-\
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Doesn't matter. He lost. If he was the God you say he is
I said he had the POTENTIAL to be the most dominating fighter ever.
Dont claim I said shit that I didn't.
Its Ok if you dont like him.
But denying his potential is ludacris. Its like saying Coleman looks like your average gymrat. You dont even have to like coleman to know thats retarded.
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Yes, his potential. Potential. Meaning he hasn't proven shit yet. Yet he's been anointed as this sort of demigod because he's beat up a bunch of guys that aren't near their peaks. Let's see him beat up a few legitimate fighters before painting him as this invincible juggernaut.
As it stands, he's an incredibly underrated and unproven fighter. And it will stay that way as long as the UFC HW division remains the joke that it is.
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Yes, his potential. Potential. Meaning he hasn't proven shit yet. Yet he's been anointed as this sort of demigod because he's beat up a bunch of guys that aren't near their peaks. Let's see him beat up a few legitimate fighters before painting him as this invincible juggernaut.
He manhandles 2 dudes with 25 fights in their arsenal. Even though the might be past their primes thats actually proves alot. And not getting taken down by couture proves alot also.
You're one of those guys that hates brock because of the fights UFC gave him.
I agree that he should have had a few more fight against decent fighters with close to the same experience as brock.
But then you would complain about him fighting nobodys anyway so..
But I cant wait to see what Brock makes of himself right now. Honestly I wouldnt get sad if he lost against mir, because he Should loose. He shouldnt have a chance.
But because of what happened the last fight I think hes gonna run over him. If Mir doesnt catch him in a lucky submission.
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He manhandles 2 dudes with 25 fights in their arsenal. Even though the might be past their primes thats actually proves alot. And not getting taken down by couture proves alot also.
You're one of those guys that hates brock because of the fights UFC gave him.
I agree that he should have had a few more fight against decent fighters with close to the same experience as brock.
But then you would complain about him fighting nobodys anyway so..
But I cant wait to see what Brock makes of himself right now. Honestly I wouldnt get sad if he lost against mir, because he Should loose. He shouldnt have a chance.
But because of what happened the last fight I think hes gonna run over him. If Mir doesnt catch him in a lucky submission.
You act like manhandling Heath Herring and Couture was impressive. If you have been following MMA for years (which you probably haven't) you would recognize that the current versions of those two guys are absolute jokes compared to what they were in their prime. Randy is 45 years old. He's well past his prime. And Heath? Shit, that guy hasn't looked good since Fedor annihilated him in 2002. 2002!
Yet a guy that outweighs and is much stronger than both of them and isn't beat to hell from a decade+ of fighting goes out and "manhandles" them and he's supposed to be good? No, that just means that he's better than average and beating fighters that he should be beating.
Overrated.
And for what it's worth, the manhandling Fedor gave Herring was 1000x more impressive. Even more impressive when you consider that Herring was arguably the 2nd best HW in PRIDE at the time.
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No point in discussing it, It was the fights that was given to him.
And I cant wait until Ufc 100
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Swede:
What a sad little life you have existing in your parent's home and vicariously living the "Lesnar Experience"....
Maybe if you work real hard at your menial labor job and save your pennies you can buy a pair of Brock's used fighting trunks to tuck under your pillow at night you undercover hero-worshipping homo.
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you're actually out doing something but you still find the time to take out your CELLPHONE and try to make me melt?
hahahahaha
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Manhandle Mir? HE LOST. Looked really great getting subbed like that. Haha.
And Fedor decimated a Heath Herring who was in his PRIME. That was a manhandling. Not Brock Lesnar beating up on a guy who hasn't looked good since 2004.
You referencing fighters that are a 1/2 decade past their better days does not make Brock Lesnar into the God you think he is. He's 3-1 and already lost to a good but not great fighter in Mir. The fact he's already "accomplished" so much in the UFC HW division shows how much of a joke that division really is.
Most overrated fighter on the entire planet. Hasn't proved shit. This Brock Lesnar lust is amusing, though. Talk about throwing your weight behind an untested fighter.
Will you kill yourself if Mir beats him AGAIN?
Heath is like 31 or 32 years old, hardly past his prime. Brock dominated Randy, who was still a formidable opponent a year ago but now is washed up?
Do you train MMA or still just doing that Muay Thai class once a week?
How many fights did Fedor have when he fought HH? Brock was on his third fight, and his fourth when he fought Randy. That speaks volumes about his ability.
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mussolini was a great guy and one of hitler's best friends
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Imagine if they worked hard on teaching Brock how to do a giljotin (god knows he has the power) and choke Mir out hahahahahaha. That would make mir kill himself hahaha
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Imagine if they worked hard on teaching Brock how to do a giljotin (god knows he has the power) and choke Mir out hahahahahaha. That would make mir kill himself hahaha
Thats like teaching a monkey how to ride a bike, its gonna take some time!
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Thats like teaching a monkey how to ride a bike, its gonna take some time!
He did do sort of a giljotin though, But didnt SQUEEEEEZE it. I imagine if he learns it he can sub guys pretty fast with it joe daddy stevensson style.
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He did do sort of a giljotin though, But didnt SQUEEEEEZE it. I imagine if he learns it he can sub guys pretty fast with it joe daddy stevensson style.
Imagine if he could also fight with his toes? How unbeatable would be then
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Lesnar = Typical UFC douchebag.
Look forward to the day Dana White and his retarded ultimate fighting is a distant memory. Like all trends this bullshit will run its course eventually.
Sorry, my friend, but the UFC and MMA is growing everyday. It is competitive bodybuilding (not the training) that is becoming more and more of an obscure, creepy subculture whose very interest makes one suspect with the general population.
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Mir will take it again.1st rd submission.
[W]Lesnar. 2nd rd TKO 8)
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absolute jokes compared to what they were in their prime.
You just described Fedors last 3-4 opponents, not counting the lightweight guy he beat up.
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giving the slight edge to B.J. here....
we always see the better version of him @ 55..
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Brock beat Randy couture for 2 reasons, he was tweice his size, and Randy is 45 years old.Frank Muir is going to beat Brock ,no if and or butts.Brock is to big, he tires easily.If you watch is last first after 2 minutes he was sucking wind.Brocvk needs to drop atleast 25 lbs to have endurance.Trust I been over 275lbs, and even if you lean at 275lbs, that to much weight to carry for the human body.The more weight you have the more blood you heart, has to pump,which also means the more oxygen your body needs.Its easier to choke out a big guy ,then a small guy, because the bigger a man is the more oxyigen his body needs.For ever 50lbs of bodyweights your heart has to pump a pint of blood.
Right now if I was to fight myself ,and when I weighed 290lbs, at my peak, at 9-10% bodyfat versus right now at 250lbs at 8% bodyfat.There would be no comparison.At 250lbs I would kill the 290lbs version of myself.I was stronger at 290lbs, but at 250lbs I have more energy and stamina.
If Brock was smart he would fight at about 240lbs, lean, and get rig of all that excess weight.He doesnt need it.He has power,and he is pretty quick, but he is to heavy.
Whats going to happen in the Muir Lesnar fight, is simple.Brock will come out like blazing saddles, and Frank will hold him off.Then Brock will eventally tire himself out, and hold on to Muir, then muir will take him to the ground and submit him.
Frank is a big strong guy, who is alot leaner then brock, and alot more technical.Brock is just a brawler like Tank Abbot, and Chuck Lindell.Brock counts to much on knocking people out, and not going the distance.
If this match goes over 5 minutes Brock will be so tired he wont be able to even stand up.
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Brock beat Randy couture for 2 reasons, he was tweice his size, and Randy is 45 years old.Frank Muir is going to beat Brock ,no if and or butts.Brock is to big, he tires easily.If you watch is last first after 2 minutes he was sucking wind.Brocvk needs to drop atleast 25 lbs to have endurance.Trust I been over 275lbs, and even if you lean at 275lbs, that to much weight to carry for the human body.The more weight you have the more blood you heart, has to pump,which also means the more oxygen your body needs.Its easier to choke out a big guy ,then a small guy, because the bigger a man is the more oxyigen his body needs.For ever 50lbs of bodyweights your heart has to pump a pint of blood.
Right now if I was to fight myself ,and when I weighed 290lbs, at my peak, at 9-10% bodyfat versus right now at 250lbs at 8% bodyfat.There would be no comparison.At 250lbs I would kill the 290lbs version of myself.I was stronger at 290lbs, but at 250lbs I have more energy and stamina.
If Brock was smart he would fight at about 240lbs, lean, and get rig of all that excess weight.He doesnt need it.He has power,and he is pretty quick, but he is to heavy.
Whats going to happen in the Muir Lesnar fight, is simple.Brock will come out like blazing saddles, and Frank will hold him off.Then Brock will eventally tire himself out, and hold on to Muir, then muir will take him to the ground and submit him.
Frank is a big strong guy, who is alot leaner then brock, and alot more technical.Brock is just a brawler like Tank Abbot, and Chuck Lindell.Brock counts to much on knocking people out, and not going the distance.
If this match goes over 5 minutes Brock will be so tired he wont be able to even stand up.
Brock has amazing cardio and wasnt sucking wind against Randy, he was pacing himself and letting Randy tire himself out. Mir is gonna get killed. Brock made a rookie mistake, wont happen again.
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why dont you idiots go out and get in a real fight, instead of thinking your "hard" cuz you watch fights on the tv. hahah.
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Brock counts to much on knocking people out, and not going the distance.
If this match goes over 5 minutes Brock will be so tired he wont be able to even stand up.
Who has Brock KO'd?
Brock went 3 rounds riding on Heath, looked fresh and ready to go, he has shown improvements in all of his fights. As far as coming out blazing saddles, didn't look like he did that with Couture.....
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Brock Lesnar supposedly flipped out during the UFC 100 Countdown show, according to a recap by Dave Meltzer posted on wrestling-edge.com.
Here is Meltzer’s recap of the show:
“Frank Mir does an awesome job of building up Lesnar vs. Mir. So awesome that by the end he almost turned himself heel. There is a great scene when Lesnar decides the interview is over because he’s sick of watching himself tap and wants to kill Steve Mazzagatti, walks down the hall, punches the wall, and the next door falls off the hinges into the hallway.”
The UFC 100 Countdown show will be premiering July 7 at 10 p.m. ET/PT on Spike TV.
http://mmawaves.com/?p=1132
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Any of you Brock supporters ever seen Randy's fights with Ricco or Barnett? Randy has always had problems with bigger fighters. Check out those two fights.
Nothing against Brock, I just don't think he's there yet.
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Imagine if they worked hard on teaching Brock how to do a giljotin (god knows he has the power) and choke Mir out hahahahahaha. That would make mir kill himself hahaha
Swede: Do you often contemplate the meaning of life, the abstract world of logic and mathematics and the most likely conclusion to your own life: Your own death and if that will be the final nail in the coffin for your perception of reality?
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Who has Brock KO'd?
Brock went 3 rounds riding on Heath, looked fresh and ready to go, he has shown improvements in all of his fights. As far as coming out blazing saddles, didn't look like he did that with Couture.....
How many times have you taken a big shit in your wifes face when she's been asleep?
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Brock is a beast...Ref and Zuffa helped Frank Win last time...
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Brock is a beast...Ref and Zuffa helped Frank Win last time...
Do you think Brock has been able to up his general BJJ game and subDefence enough since the last mir fight to hang with mir this time?
And what is your take on mirs boxing game? Can he outstrike Brock while avoiding being taken down?
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this seems like its all hype, no real bad blood. just trying to sell.
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nothing against hahn but ofcoarse hes gonna say that, i cant imagine hahn saying, franks only chance in this fight is to catch him with a heelhook in a transition cause brocks gonna crush frank on his feet ;D
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brocks a little kid trapped in a gorillas body, hes a sad representative for a ufc champ. youd never see randy or mir acting like a spoiled little kid like brock.
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giving the slight edge to B.J. here....
we always see the better version of him @ 55..
X2 , i agree 100%, bj is a beast at that weight and i dont see nobody beating him there, period
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confident and classy interview by alves, he trains with ATT and trust me, whether he wins or loses, hes gonna be as ready as hes ever gonna be for this fight. i heard his teammates and coaches practiclly killed him the last 90 days in training. gsp is beatable, serra proved that. imo if alves can stuff gsp,s takedowns we will have a new champion that night, if he cant stop gsp,s takedown it will be a long night for alves imo.
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why dont you idiots go out and get in a real fight, instead of thinking your "hard" cuz you watch fights on the tv. hahah.
Another childish, uninformed comment. You're out of your element here. Fighting is definitely not your thing. You are well informed on a lot of things but MMA and down and dirty street fighting is not one of them.
"... go out and and get in a real fight..." Jeeze. If you only knew how lame you sound. I believe Swede has gotten into a few rows in his life, one not too long ago. If he got in your face and gave you a glare that indicated some bad intentions you would melt before his eyes.
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I am beginning to think some of you UFC clowns are just as bad as bodybuilding's schmoes.
Hero worship is fucking lame and this thread has now devolved into which Get Bigger can "glare" at another Get Bigger and strike fear in the other's heart.
Grow the fuck up douchebags.
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brock has gotten better at defending subs...and already dropped heath randy and frank with brutal striking...meaning...his hands are like hitting you with a 50 lb weight...choi is dangerous for that reason too...the hands are too heavy...he barely hit fedor...and yet he still wrecked his face badly...aerts was the same with his round house kicks...those legs were too big and heavy...and if they barely caught you...you were still done...og k-1...
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Any of you Brock supporters ever seen Randy's fights with Ricco or Barnett? Randy has always had problems with bigger fighters. Check out those two fights.
Nothing against Brock, I just don't think he's there yet.
At one point he was winning the Ricco fight, and Dominating Barnett for the enitre fight until the sweep. At no point did Randy have Lesnar in any danger nor was he winning at any point.
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How many times have you taken a big shit in your wifes face when she's been asleep?
Three times, twice on her chest.
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why dont you idiots go out and get in a real fight, instead of thinking your "hard" cuz you watch fights on the tv. hahah.
Cause you would never show up. :-*
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How many times have you taken a big shit in your wifes face when she's been asleep?
Damn another top of the line quote by Debussey - cracking me up here :D
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Check out parts 1 and 2 of this video in which Frank Mir talks about training for his upcoming UFC 100 fight against Brock Lesnar.
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That broad sucks terribly at interviewing, it was a good thing that there were other people asking questions too or that could have gone a lot worse.
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I don't blame him, it was bullshit what happened in their first fight, mazzagatti fucked it up and cost Brock the fight.
I think some guys (Mir) understimate how fucking strong Brock is, during one WWE taping he picked up a 220lbs. wrestler and threw him through a wall (drywall) leaving a big ass hole and the guy lying in a crumpled heap abougt 4 feet past the opening in the wall... as much as you guys will say it was staged and whatever, that's still not such an easy task, hurling a 220 lb man 4 feet past you THROUGH a drywall.
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Hahaha...found it!!
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I don't blame him, it was bullshit what happened in their first fight, mazzagatti fucked it up and cost Brock the fight.
I think some guys (Mir) understimate how fucking strong Brock is, during one WWE taping he picked up a 220lbs. wrestler and threw him through a wall (drywall) leaving a big ass hole and the guy lying in a crumpled heap abougt 4 feet past the opening in the wall... as much as you guys will say it was staged and whatever, that's still not such an easy task, hurling a 220 lb man 4 feet past you THROUGH a drywall.
Along the same lines.........I read somewhere that Big Show says Brock Lesnar is the strongest guy he had ever been in the ring with.
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Hahaha...found it!!
He threw him so hard, the studs holding up the wall disintegrated on impact.
Looked more like the actor ran through the wall to me.
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Check out part 1 of Dana White's UFC 100 video blog:
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even multi millionares have to let the little kid out in themselves sometime, ive hung out with dana years back and he has a great sense of humor, to be honest he was a really great guy also
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he can be a great representative of the sport. MAA needs that right now
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There is no telling how this is gona end...
I'm hoping for Brock to win... but after seeing mir vs nogueira... i think brocks toast...
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why dont you idiots go out and get in a real fight, instead of thinking your "hard" cuz you watch fights on the tv. hahah.
haha its pretty manly to talk about men fighting isn't it... oh the drama!
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I prefer K-1
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Forest being his usual self at the end of clip2. :D
Bad interviewing style though
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ttt
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Brock is gonna get subbed again.
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Michael Bisping reacts to Dan Henderson calling him a douchebag:
You know what, out of nowhere just recently it's got all personal. I'll be lying if I said it hasn't pissed me off. He's really, really annoyed me, he's really pissed me off. In a lot of interviews he's talked not about my fighting ability but about me as a person, and I think he's crossed a line and he's pissed me off.
I spoke to somebody from the UFC this morning and they told me they did an interview with him and in the space of two minutes he called me a moron and a douchebag twelve times, you know what I mean?
I think he's made a big mistake because, believe me, I'm a different animal when I'm pissed off, when I'm in a bad mood, I'm unstoppable, I can do whatever I want, seriously. And fine, keep pushing my buttons Mr. Henderson because that's great.
He can say what he wants about me but the fact is he's getting his arse kicked on July 11th and then we'll see who the douchebag is.
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It makes me laugh, twelve episodes of The Ultimate Fighter the guy hardly opens his mouth, says nothing. He's the most boring bastard I've ever seen in my life. And when he does finally decide to say something the most original thing he can come up with is douchebag. Well thank God he's not a stand-up comedian, you know what I mean? Don't give up your day job, mate.
It doesn't stop there, he also talked about Henderson taking him lightly:
I think Dan Henderson is an [expletive], and I'm going to knock him out.. He's a two-faced [expletive]. He never said anything to my face... He disgusts me. I'm 18-1, and he said he doesn't need to train anything but cardio, and he would still beat me. He's taking me way too lightly. When people piss me off, I fight a lot better.
He's got God-awful stand-up. But he's got a very powerful right hand that everyone talks about that hasn't KO'd anyone for a long time, and you can see it coming because he's so slow with it.
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The UFC Welterweight Champion talked to MMA Weekly about Thiago Alves:
I'm a different fighter than when I fought B.J. Penn. It's a different fight against a different opponent, and I do have a specific strategy that I will use against him... The main thing is to keep your opponent out of their comfort zone. The best defense is the offense. Not all of the time, but most of the time.
I'm not afraid of him standing up. I'm not afraid of him anywhere. I just acknowledge his strength, and I know what he's good at, but I'm not afraid of it. Either standing up, on the ground, anywhere."
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People can talk as much as they want, talking doesn't help. It’s the fighting that's going to do the job in the Octagon. Thiago Alves is a great fighter, and he doesn't have to talk bad to make himself confident. He's a confident guy by himself, so that's what makes him even more dangerous than B.J. Penn.
Georges St. Pierre has went to different camps in preparation for his fight with Thiago Alves. This includes training in Montreal's Tri-Star Gym, Greg Jackson's team, Renzo Gracie's team in New York, and with world class muay Thai experts in France. St. Pierre is already coming off the biggest and most impressive win in his career, yet he says that he has evolved even more since that last fight. A scary thought, indeed.
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Back in May of last year, Dong Hyun Kim made his UFC debut at UFC 84: Ill Will against British fighter Jason Tan. Unknown to most casual MMA fans at the time, Kim was actually making history under the South Korean flag in that he had become only the second Korean fighter to set foot into the Octagon since Joe Son at UFC 4. After three rounds of action that saw the "Stun Gun" tactically out-strike Tan and pick him apart, Kim ended the bout via a technical knockout in the third round to become the first Korean to win in the UFC. Most fans didn't see this match as it was on the undercard, but the nation of South Korea erupted overnight after the battle aired three times on Korean network Super Action.
As John Evans over at Sherdog.com pointed out in an article back in early June, Koreans are absolutely "fanatical" about their athletes. Even athletes such as Denis Kang and Yoshihiro Akiyama are highly regarded within the country even though Kang was born in France and raised in Canada, and Akiyama surrendered his Korean citizenship in 2001 and subsequently defeated Ahn Dong-Jin of South Korea in the 2002 Asian Games gold medal match.
Interestingly enough, Dong Hyun Kim is now being included in that short list of Korean athletes that citizens of the nation are rallying behind. His recent bouts have been re-aired countless times on television, and he single-handedly brought Korea's #1 network, Super Action, back from dismal ratings after PRIDE shut down in Japan. With Yoshihiro Akiyama stepping into the Octagon at UFC 100 as well, Super Action should begin seeing some huge ratings considering Akiyama is a national icon in South Korea.
For all the flak that Zuffa has received from MMA fans regarding sponsorships, restrictive contracts, and low pay, Zuffa has managed to appeal to new markets with wise acquisitions. Re-igniting the passion for MMA in Korean fans was a bold risk for the UFC to take, but Dong Hyun Kim's performances in the UFC have proven that the UFC could potentially make solid revenues in the market. It also sets up the potential for the UFC to carve out a piece of the pie within a market that has been deemed "impossible" to deal with in the past.
In order for that appeal to continue for Zuffa in South Korea, Kim needs to continue his winning ways. He'll face Canadian up-and-comer T.J. Grant at UFC 100 in what should be a chance for "Stun Gun" Kim to "show off" to his native country. The only problem is that Grant isn't exactly a pushover opponent as he was able to upset PRIDE veteran Ryo Chonan at UFC 97 back in April.
Although the Nova Scotia-native is formidable on the floor, Kim's overall style and tactics in the cage should outweigh Grant's abilities in this fight. Kim's powerful strikes coupled with his judo tactics make for a very formidable opponent for anyone in the cage. I expect Kim to win and the UFC will continue to ease Kim into tougher opponents as his appeal in Korea grows. If Akiyama happens to defeat Alan Belcher at UFC 100, the UFC will have a duo of Asian market draws that could truly put their foot in the door.
The more intriguing question for me is whether or not Kim will evolve into a fighter that can make a run toward the top of the division. A lot of fans felt that Matt Brown won their matchup at UFC 88, and Karo Parisyan was able to defeat Kim in lackluster fashion at UFC 94 before having the result overturned due to a positive drug test. Many fans also felt that the Parisyan matchup could have gone either way as well. These results inevitably beg the question: will Kim evolve into the type of fighter that can regularly punish weaker opponents ? At any rate, a win is a win in the Octagon, and Kim seems to have the skill set to be a real success in the UFC. I'm sure Zuffa is hoping Kim continues on the road toward the top as well.
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At the beginning of 2008, the majority of MMA fans following the sport had never heard of Jon Jones. In fact, unless you grew up in the Endicott, NY area or had followed the reign of Iowa Central Community College's success in the Junior College wrestling circuit, Jon Jones was merely a name of another newcomer to the fast-growing sport of MMA. Fast foward to a little over a year since Jon Jones made his MMA debut, he's now scheduled to battle it out once again in MMA's elite organization known as the UFC for the third time.
Jones has an impressive story when it comes to his meteoric rise to the top. Back in April of 2008, he made his MMA debut in a small regional promotion in the Boston area. Seven days later, he battled it out in the cage once again in Atlantic City for his second win, and won a third matchup only six days later in another small-time promotion in the Boston area. In only 13 days, Jones had went from a debut fighter to a 3-0 wrecking machine.
In only 4 months actually competing professionally, Jones had made his way to the big leagues as if he were a prodigy child entering college at age 12. Relatively unknown to anybody in the MMA community, Jones had managed to destroy six opponents and grab the attention of the UFC. On August 9th at the age of 21, Jones entered the Octagon at UFC 87 against Brazilian fighter Andre Gusmao.
In two fights in the UFC, Jon Jones has turned heads countless times. He has impressive power, outstanding Greco-Roman wrestling skills, and his unorthodox striking techniques have caught opponents completely off guard at times. Mixing in spinning elbows and fists while moving out of the clinch and during exchanges has been a trademark of Jones' wild stand-up style, but he's also been impressive in leveraging his power to throw opponents to the floor.
UFC 100 will see Jones try to make another statement to the UFC's light heavyweight division. He's been matched up with smothering former UFC heavyweight fighter Jake O'Brien, who recently defeated Christian Wellisch at UFC 94 via split decision. Jones will likely only have one true challenge in this matchup in that he'll need to work to stuff O'Brien's takedowns to keep away from what many fans consider a "lay n' pray" style that O'Brien uses to win matchups.
I fully expect Jones to pull out the win on Saturday night as he has the power, speed, unorthodox striking, and wrestling to defeat O'Brien. There is, however, one problem I'd like for the UFC to try to address in Jon Jones... his conditioning. In both the Andre Gusmao and Stephan Bonnar fights, it was evident that Jones was tiring in the late second and third rounds of those matchups. He had, however, done so much damage early that it was easy for the judges to score it for Jones in both the first two rounds of those matchups, but a more well-rounded opponent who is very good in most areas of his own skill set could give Jones some big problems in the latter rounds. It might be a motivating factor to give Jones a matchup in which he knows that conditioning will need extra focus.
Jones' rise into the top promotion in MMA in only six months is unheard of in this era of the sport. With fighters evolving their games to be very well-rounded, it's a rare sight to see a guy like Jones propel into the UFC and win fights in impressive fashion. We can say that Jones has had the training in the wrestling department as he did wrestle at Iowa Central with a guy by the name of Cain Velasquez, but it's an even scarier thought to imagine what Jones could become with better conditioning and a more structured skill set. He could truly be the future of MMA.
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UFC 100 Preview - Georges St-Pierre talks training since Mid-February:
"I have a real good strategy to take Alves out." "Wrestling is a secret strategy wise, I have it all planned but its part of the game plan"
"I'm ready for his left hook, knees and his kick; they are lethal so I'm going to have to be very careful of that"
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Steve McNair - The tragic, and still unclear, death of former NFL quarterback, Steve McNair, will be the story for the foreseeable future. I am sure many of you are familiar with the basic details surrounding his untimely death but for those that don't like nor follow American football here is a brief summary of the story. Steve McNair was found dead with his twenty year old girlfriend (McNair is married). ...
Manny Ramirez - If the "Manny being Manny" phrase was beaten to death before he was suspended for steroids prepare yourself for a whole new circus. ...
Tennis - With Wimbledon ending on Sunday there are multiple story-lines that will eat up the mainstream media's attention for several days. ...
MLB All-Star Game - The game is set for the 13th and the rosters have been announced but that doesn't mean there won't be plenty to talk about. ...
Free Agency - The NBA and NHL free agency period began several weeks ago and the major moves should be winding down. However there is always the possibility of a monkey wrench being thrown into the machinery. ...
Brett Farve [sic] - This is the wild card story of the week. ProFootballTalk's Mike Florio thinks that an announcement is coming one way or the other by July 13th, a deadline that is two days before UFC 100. ...
He's got more analysis on each topic at Watch Kalib Run.
As Zach Krantz wrote last week:
People forget that the UFC is only 16 years old and the unified rules were codified in 2000. Stars that can cross over such as Lesnar, St. Pierre, and Carano will help gain notoriety, but there will be more of them to come. We are currently in the infancy of Mixed Martial Arts and have a long road ahead of us before we can achieve mainstream success.
The enormous success of Mixed Martial Arts and more importantly the continued growth of the UFC have happened at such a rapid pace that we the fans expect instant acceptance. Despite what baseball purists might say the NFL has become THE sport in the United States. Professional football was established in 1920 and the merger happened in the late 60s (started in1966 and fully merged in 1970). It was not until baseball's strike in the early 90s when football began to take over mainstream media with the Cowboy teams becoming celebrities. These things take time and MMA is moving at an incredible pace. The fact that we receive any mainstream attention after nine years is remarkable.
We might have to wait a generation before we become a major player. A major reason baseball has its storied history and tradition is because so many grew up on the game. Their dad, their dad's dad, and generations before always went to the ballpark. It will be the next generation who grows up during the growth of MMA that can push it to the next level. We will obviously be farther along by then, but that is how we establish long term significance. Passing along our passion and knowledge through generations can keep MMA around for the long run. In the mean time we need to relax and appreciate the immeasurable growth we have achieved in such a short period of time. I am anxious to see the attention received over the next week and leading up to August 15th, but if we receive any at all that will be outstanding. It may take time, but MMA can become part of people sport conscious in time. We the fans just need to be patient.
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At UFC 41, a young Frank Mir got to welcome old school UFC legend Tank Abbott back to the Octagon after a five year layoff. Mir was coming off a loss to journeyman English brawler Ian Freeman.
It's widely believed that Mir was sent in to lose to Tank by the Zuffa brass who wanted to leverage his popularity with the old school UFC audience that had abandoned the promotion during the Dark Ages.
0:46 later, Frank Mir had put the kibosh on those plans with a submission hold not often seen in MMA: the Toe Hold or Foot Lock.*
After taking the fight to the ground by pulling guard, Mir immediately attacked the floundering Abbott with a flurry of submission attempts. From a triangle attempt, he moved into an omaplata, giving him control over Tank's right arm with his legs. From there he spun his body around and attacked Tank's right leg, locking the foot in a figure four grip and getting the tap out.
From Luke Thomas:
Toe holds are hard to finish, that's why you don't seem them very often. It's partly that Tank is weak on the ground and I know people will howl, but the reality is Mir is using a butt load of strength. Truth is Mir is strong as shit. Not as strong as Lesnar, but he has really nasty submissions because he leverages so much power.
here's El Guapo to explain it better!
Note how Mir finishes Tank with both of his shoulder blades pinned to the mat. That's technique, but with a lot of brute force behind it. He's turning the ankle with the hold, but he's not using his body at all to finish nor any special angle, just powering the ankle into breaking. The Bas Rutten video (see full entry) shows Bas using angles on the toehold to finish where Mir just cranked it.
What Bas is doing puts pressure on the knee as well. It reminds me of a Sambo or catch wrestling variation, what you'd expect him to learn in Pancrase. Most BJJ practicioners learn toe holds from the oma plata, but it's hard to finish. The opponent will squirm both to free his legs and arms. You've got to be quick and crank it fast to get the tap out. Mir is both
This performance was one of the early Frank Mir fights that set the MMA world buzzing. Here was a heavyweight with the speed and skill to apply submissions like a lightweight. In recent years we've seen Mir broaden his game to include a more robust striking skill-set, but its telling that he beat Brock Lesnar and revived his career with a submisison.
*According to Leland Roling's analysis of the FightFinder database: Only 115 fights (out of approx. 62,600) have been won via Toe Hold. There are probably others that were called Ankle Lock or Footlock but that only accounts for another 204 fights.
On the left you can see Mir's legs locked in a figure four to seal the omaplata he's got on Tank's right shoulder.(So no picture I was to lazy to post it sorry fellas) He's torquing Tank's foot and putting immense pressure on the ankle. Tank's attempt to spin his left leg over is irrelevant and does nothing to relieve the pressure. Sorry I don't have a gif of Frank spinning from the omaplata to take the leg.
Here's more on the toe hold from Riz's Martial Arts:
Sometimes referred to simply as a ‘Foot Lock', the Toe Hold Ankle Lock is a submission that is applied via the twisting and applying torque around one's instep and the axis that runs along the centre of the foot.
It is easy to apply and worlds safer than the Heel Hook; as such, it is the second most frequently used ankle lock (following the Achilles Lock) and probably one of the most popular leg locks used.
The submission is applied using both your arms. In the case of applying the submission to your opponent's (who has his/her back to the ground) right leg, your right arm grasps his right foot with your hands placed over his toes (your fingers should be curling in below his foot). Your left hand should move in front of his shin and wrap around his leg (thus encircling it with your arm) and then grab on to your right wrist using a five finger ‘monkey' grip. Using the left arm as a fulcrum, apply pressure by pushing down on the foot/turning your body and twisting the toes towards your opponent's groin.
From Wikipedia:
A toe hold involves using the hands to hyperextend and/or hyperrotate the ankle, typically by grabbing the foot near the toes, and twisting or pushing the foot while controlling the opponent's leg. A common type of toe hold is the figure-four toe hold, where a figure-four hold is used to hold the opponent's foot. This type of toe hold is performed by holding the foot by the toes with one hand, and putting the other hand under the opponent's achilles tendon, and grabbing the wrist. By controlling the opponent's body, and using the hands to plantar flex the foot either straight or slightly sideways, hence putting considerable torque on the ankle. The toe hold can also be applied in a similar position as an Ankle Lock (as in Ashiyubi Jime in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu).
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oh no, pispigs pissed off now, im scared to go outside knowing pispig is pissed off. im sure dans hiding under lindlands bed shaking in fear after hearing about bispig being mad. dans fought the whos who of mma and bispigs gonna find that out this weekend when he wakes up in the hospital sunday morning after dan beats him down very bad
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I hope HENDO punishes him. I hate that douchebag.
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This is a great move for Hendo, Pillowhands is going to come out throwing everything but the kitchen sink and Dan will catch him. I'm glad Hendo figured this out, Bisping's ego will get the best of him.
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Check out part 2 of Dana White's UFC 100 video blog:
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Ufc 100 blog.
And Ufc 100 coundown is tonight!
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Some poeple think dana is an asshole.
I think the man is one Funny Fucker and a good business man ;D (if u ignore the fedor issue)
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What's this got to do with Federer?
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Some poeple think dana is an asshole.
I think the man is one Funny Fucker and a good business man ;D (if u ignore the fedor issue)
Dana ain't no asshole.
A bit of ego, and a great media guy that knows how to stirr up shit.
In private he = probably a very nice guy, including being very opinionated.
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Dana ain't no asshole.
A bit of ego, and a great media guy that knows how to stirr up shit.
In private he = probably a very nice guy, including being very opinionated.
Dana is kinda like myself.
Maby I should send him a email
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Dana is kinda like myself.
Maby I should send him a email
Yes, you should.
He needs a little "mini-me" to follow him around.
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Yes, you should.
He needs a little "mini-me" to follow him around.
I can be that minime!
and I can teach him about roids
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I can be that minime!
and I can teach him about roids
No more manual labour jobs for you! On to Vegas baby :-*
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No more manual labour jobs for you! On to Vegas baby :-*
spermer
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spermer
Fagger
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I prefer K-1
K1 is great alright
Havent seen it in a few years though
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I prefer K-1
Max > UFC. Although I find it has gone downhill a bit since the Buakaw rules were put in.
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From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter via MMA Payout:
The UFC is now charging prospective sponsors a $100,000 fee for the right to sponsor fighters that appear on UFC broadcasts for a six month period. This eliminates all the small-time sponsors because they may be able to pay $1,000 to a fighter but they aren’t paying $100,000 to UFC for the right to pay $1,000 to a fighter. The ones hurt the worst are the low-end guys who are struggling to make it on prelim money contracts. It also lessens the amount of money going to the fighters, because the $200,000 per year going to UFC as a licensing fee means perhaps $200,000, but certainly significantly less, going directly to the fighters.
As stated, this really hurts the mid- and lower-tier guys who rely on sponsorship dollars like waitresses rely on tips. Where will these guys replace sponsors who are unable or unwilling to spend $100,000 for the "privilege" to plaster their logo on fighters' shorts?
I'm also curious as to the motivations behind this move. Is it a Zuffa money grab? Are they using their leverage to eliminate competition for Zuffa friends (Tapout, etc.)? Is it another step in attempt to control fighters economically?
Zuffa loves to toot their own horn about how well they take care of their fighters. Maybe they do a lot more behind the scenes that we don't know about. However, we can only look at the facts available to us. For instance, at UFC 98, ten of the twenty four fighters worked for purses of $10k/$10k or worse. When you factor in training fees, corner fees, taxes, and then your normal monthly expenses, these guys don't end up with much money in the bank at the end of the day.
I've said all along that Zuffa's well within their rights to pull something like this. However, that doesn't make it a positive ethical decision. It's directly taking money out of fighter's pockets and putting it into Zuffa's coffers.
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Since Setanta crumbled, I have heard rumours that it will be screened on Bravo or Virgin.
It is just a few days away, and I am yet to hear any confirmation.
Does anyone know what's going on?? :(
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Since Setanta crumbled, I have heard rumours that it will be screened on Bravo or Virgin.
It is just a few days away, and I am yet to hear any confirmation.
Does anyone know what's going on?? :(
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Since Setanta crumbled, I have heard rumours that it will be screened on Bravo or Virgin.
It is just a few days away, and I am yet to hear any confirmation.
Does anyone know what's going on?? :(
TVU player.
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in sweden its actually just on a normal channel lol. No ppv or anything, pretty strange ;D
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in sweden its actually just on a normal channel lol. No ppv or anything, pretty strange ;D
What is the name of that channel??
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Fuck the UFC.
It's teaching street urchins how to do armbars.
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What is the name of that channel??
Tv4 sport
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Tv4 sport
Thanks Dana MiniMe White!
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pwtorrents.net
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Probably be on the night after it happens on Bravo
Thats what they did before anyway
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I was worrying about the exact same thing. How the hell am I going to be able to watch it?! :( They've got to sort some sort of deal out before the weekend :-\
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I just don't see bisping bringing anything to dan at all other than his chin for dan to check .
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I just had a wwe raw backstage interview flashback after watching this for some odd reason.
all that was missing was him making his entrance to the ring, bouncing up and down in place with sparks flying..etc.
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what a loser.
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LOL, looks like a WWE shot video.
It's still real to me dammit!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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LOL.....bunch of internet tough guys talking bullshit..... ::)
Brock Lesnar would literally be able to buttfuck each and every one of you at will in a fight. ;D
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Bunch of internet tough guys talking bullshit..... ::)
Brock Lesnar would be able to buttfuck each and every one of you at will in a fight. ;D
Your screen name should be "UPONBROCKSNUTS"
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got to wonder if brock's gonna control that rage and emotion and actually follow some kind of game plan saturday night...
or is just gonna come out balls to the wall and fall into another sub ?...
I'm totally on the fence now as far as who I think wins this...
I pretty sure frank won't get brocks back in a million years,but I won't be surprised if we see franks hands play a bigger part in this..
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picking hendo to take bisping to school....
but in the back of my mind I still wonder about the age/cardio factor for dan...
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got to wonder if brock's gonna control that rage and emotion and actually follow some kind of game plan saturday night...
or is just gonna come out balls to the wall and fall into another sub ?...
I'm totally on the fence now as far as who I think wins this...
I pretty sure frank won't get brocks back in a million years,but I won't be surprised if we see franks hands play a bigger part in this..
I think this will be the fight that tests Brock chin, if he can take a hit, Mir will be in trouble. Not sure anyone can take Brock down if he doesn't want them to.
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Brutal set-up or door already off the hinges.
Nevertheless, Frank Mir is in a lot of trouble 8)
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I think this will be the fight that tests Brock chin, if he can take a hit, Mir will be in trouble. Not sure anyone can take Brock down if he doesn't want them to.
Wasn't Randy about to slam Brock when he grabbed the fence to stop him?
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mir will catch brock in a submission again if brock doesnt keep his composure, if he goes haywire like last time mir will catch him, mirs got so many different ways to sub someone its crazy
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Wasn't Randy about to slam Brock when he grabbed the fence to stop him?
I dunno, got a video?
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Randy (for his size) did a great job nullifying brocks stand up grappling strength...
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Brutal set-up or door already off the hinges.
Nevertheless, Frank Mir is in a lot of trouble 8)
I agree with that
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Your screen name should be "UPONBROCKSNUTS"
Sure thing there, 'chaos'.... ::) Your name just screams originality, by the way....
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UPONBROCKSNUTS, you removed your mouth from Ray Lewis's sphincter long enough to give Brock a good ball waxing? For shame. How does Ray feel about this? ???
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This was the betting thread until you went on a merging frenzy ::)
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UPONBROCKSNUTS, you removed your mouth from Ray Lewis's sphincter long enough to give Brock a good ball waxing? For shame. How does Ray feel about this? ???
Ray will get it over it......
How you been these days, Mr. Irrelevant?
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probly be a delayed coverage on bravo....... still heard nothing confirming anything tho
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That was an empty cardboard box if ive ever seen one.
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I think Lesnar wants this too badly, he has the work ethic of a true athlete while Mir seems to get lazy and too full of himself when he wins, now he's walking around all cocky thinking he's a badass cause he put an injured battered Nog out of his misery. I think Lesnar's sheer agression and raw power will outmatch anything Mir has to offer.
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I think Lesnar wants this too badly, he has the work ethic of a true athlete while Mir seems to get lazy and too full of himself when he wins, now he's walking around all cocky thinking he's a badass cause he put an injured battered Nog out of his misery. I think Lesnar's sheer agression and raw power will outmatch anything Mir has to offer.
Debussey think Mir will get beaten up by Lesnar.
Debussey = really starting to like Lesnar. He = the born competitor and just so damn stubborn!
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Televisa has officially announced that UFC 100 will be broadcasted live in Mexico on the network-television channel. Grupo Televisa is the largest media corporation in the Spanish-speaking world.
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This was the betting thread until you went on a merging frenzy ::)
no this was the new thread hence why it says official and not official betting thread, guy has mod buttons so he thinks he knows it all!
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Along the same lines.........I read somewhere that Big Show says Brock Lesnar is the strongest guy he had ever been in the ring with.
It was nuts seeing him steamroll through Herring like a godamn freight train!!! right after he broke his orbital bone with that big right ;)
guy is so godamn explosive... 100% born athlete...not natural by any means but wow, what an athlete.
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I think Mir just filled his head up (and I'm sure his camp and entourage helped) with delusions of grandeur, how he's the best HW and etc. etc. lest we forget that Lesnar was destroying him in their first match up until that piece of shit mazzagatti hadn't broken it up. Mir's face was starting to look like hamburger.
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I think Mir just filled his head up (and I'm sure his camp and entourage helped) with delusions of grandeur, how he's the best HW and etc. etc. lest we forget that Lesnar was destroying him in their first match up until that piece of shit mazzagatti hadn't broken it up. Mir's face was starting to look like hamburger.
I think this is a way in getting into an oppenents head. if not than mir is finished.
I want Brock to get destroyed.
Mir FTW!
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I think Mir just filled his head up (and I'm sure his camp and entourage helped) with delusions of grandeur, how he's the best HW and etc. etc. lest we forget that Lesnar was destroying him in their first match up until that piece of shit mazzagatti hadn't broken it up. Mir's face was starting to look like hamburger.
Mir has been doing a lot of thrash talk this time. It really does not suit him as he has neither the personality to do it, nor the ability to be funny with his insults.
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Your screen name should be "UPONBROCKSNUTS"
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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i wouldve loved to see either a young, prime kerr or coleman battling brock for position and see who wouldve put the other on thier backs, to be honest i dont think there was a person alive in the mma world that a beefed up, young, and in shape coleman or kerr couldnt put on thier backs back in the mid 90,s, esprcially when mark just came from the usa olympic trials and jumped into the ufc, he was a monster at taking people down. kerr was just as good as coleman at taking people down back then also, i read a interview from bas rutten and he said if kerr wanted your ass on the ground, your going on the ground. ive always liked to think about things like that, i think its kinda cool even though we will never know the real answer. the one match up that i wanted to see was when randy and coleman where supposed to fight about 10 years ago more or less, randy said in an interview that he didnt feel coleman could take him off his feet, coleman said he thought he wouldve been able to take randy down with a double or single leg. i wouldve loved to see them to scrambling for position
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alot of it is hyping the fight imo, if frank sits there and sounds unconfident and nervous thats not good. they are both trying to get into each others heads. mir keeps using the ( i beat you already and the pressures on you) routine, hoping maybe brock might get over aggressive and wreckless. we all know and saw what can happen when you leave a limb exposed to mir for that split second, trust me guys, if mir snatches a limb again i believe mirs gonna take brocks leg or arm home with him and hang it over his fire place, cause mir knows he might only get that one chance in the fight and he needs to seize it cause if he doesnt mirs head might be hanging over brocks fireplace :o
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alot of it is hyping the fight imo, if frank sits there and sounds unconfident and nervous thats not good. they are both trying to get into each others heads. mir keeps using the ( i beat you already and the pressures on you) routine, hoping maybe brock might get over aggressive and wreckless. we all know and saw what can happen when you leave a limb exposed to mir for that split second, trust me guys, if mir snatches a limb again i believe mirs gonna take brocks leg or arm home with him and hang it over his fire place, cause mir knows he might only get that one chance in the fight and he needs to seize it cause if he doesnt mirs head might be hanging over brocks fireplace :o
What do you think about Mir talking about standing up with him?
Mir's kickboxing and shit seems pretty good, but if Lesnar can get in a few of those monster-punches, the day might be over for Mir :o
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I want Mir to win, being a BJJ player myself, but I don't see how. IF Mir stands with Lesnar, it will be good night. His chance is to get the fight to the ground, sweep, get to top where he can use his BJJ. I don't think he wants to play bottom with Lesnar in guard. Hammerfists will end his night, methinks.
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Hamill put a beating on Bisping, and should have won. Hendo should end him. With sooo many fighters "aging" before our eyes, I really hope Hendo doesn't get beat by that douchebag.
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Hamill put a beating on Bisping, and should have won. Hendo should end him. With sooo many fighters "aging" before our eyes, I really hope Hendo doesn't get beat by that douchebag.
You have absolutely nothing to worry about.
Bisping wouldn't win this one even if it was fought in England. Hendo will absolutely murder Bisping. I will enjoy watching Bisping trying to back away and skipping backwards, starting to panick when he realize bad ass Dan won't have any of his stalling antics.
Dan will be patient and take Bisping down at will, and if Bisping tries to mix it up with kicks and jabs, Dan will just destroy him with his wrestling looping overhand hook.
In simple terms: Bisping is like Franklin, with more kicks, less punching power and no ground offense what so ever (he can stall on the ground, that's all).
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UFC 100 will be airing live on Sky channel 433 in the UK, according to SunSport. The channel will air a total of 9 hours of UFC programming, beginning with all five episodes of the UFC’s Ultimate 100 Greatest Fights series at 9 p.m. BST, the Countdown to UFC 100 show at 2 a.m. BST, and the UFC 100: Lesnar vs. Mir event at 3 a.m. BST.
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no this was the new thread hence why it says official and not official betting thread, guy has mod buttons so he thinks he knows it all!
Look at the very first post of this thread ::)
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UFC 100 will be airing live on Sky channel 433 in the UK, according to SunSport. The channel will air a total of 9 hours of UFC programming, beginning with all five episodes of the UFC’s Ultimate 100 Greatest Fights series at 9 p.m. BST, the Countdown to UFC 100 show at 2 a.m. BST, and the UFC 100: Lesnar vs. Mir event at 3 a.m. BST.
thanks brother
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Look at the very first post of this thread ::)
I'm just giving you a hard time! don't get all crazy old man! It"s all good and worked out either way, how was I supposed to know you would start the betting thread 2 months early? ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I'm just giving you a hard time! don't get all crazy old man! It"s all good and worked out either way, how was I supposed to know you would start the betting thread 2 months early? ::) ::) ::) ::)
one month early....biatch :D
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Yemeni obviously needs to find a new hobby.
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Awesome!
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NewTek Inc. has announced that TriCaster will be streaming the UFC Expo live on FOX Fight Game w/Mike Straka on July 10 and 11 starting at 12 p.m. ET/9 a.m. PT.
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Randy Couture and Rashad Evans are special guests on the ESPN MMA Live 07-09-09 episode. They preview UFC 100 and Evans talks about Kimbo Slice and coaching on The Ultimate Fighter Season 10.
Check out the video at http://mmawaves.com/?p=1287
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Check out this new Gatorade Canada commercial featuring Georges St. Pierre:
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you can view them at MMA Betting Blog
if you visit the link above, some of the figures will make more sense
Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir
Let’s start with the main event of the evening. An interesting fight for sure, and with Frank at one end of the Octagon, anything can happen here. Mir improved tremendously in the striking department and shocked the world in his most recent fight against the lion-hearted Nogueira. A heavyweight who seemed be lacking in all major aspects of the stand-up game until relatively recently, he pulled multiple rabbits out of the hat. He displayed far better footwork, appeared to have way more power in his hands than ever before and even chased Big Nog all over the Octagon with multi-punch combinations. I am not even going to mention Mir’s ground game, which is one of the most explosive in all of MMA. While Mir does not walk through his opponents’ guards the way Vitor Ribeiro does or pull out Imanari style flying foot locks, he identifies openings very quickly and skillfully and once he gets a hold of something, he pulls it to break it.
This bold, vicious attitude gives Mir a unique advantage, but can also work against him. In the Ian Freeman fight, he simply did not want to let go of the leg lock while Freeman was raining punches from the top and took more than a dozen extremely heavy shots and lost the fight. Similarly, in his earlier encounter with Lesnar, Mir kept going for submissions while Lesnar was doing damage from the top, even though he could have let go and focused on defense. Another weakness for Mir is his takedowns. Though he is great on the ground, he does have a hard time taking the fight there and most of his submissions result from takedowns initiated by his opponents or them simply following Frank to the ground as Tim Sylvia did following a knockdown. Finally, Mir’s endurance has always been suspect, and while we do not know how much he has improved in that area, it is safe to assume that he will likely have some difficulties if the fight should drag on, simply because doing battle with a giant is far more tiring than fighting a man your own size. In short, Mir is a great fighter, who most often finds a way to win despite a few holes in his game. With a great attitude and brilliant mind, he is also an excellent ambassador for the sport. However, I cannot put any money on him in this fight due to a big problem who goes by name of Brock Lesnar.
In my opinion, Lesnar is the second most android-like man in MMA today right behind Fedor Emelianenko . I would even go so far as to state that there are no more than a handful of people on earth who weigh as much as Lesnar and move as fast as he does. To make matters more interesting, he also showed that he can fight hard for three full rounds when he batteled Heath herring, which is truly astounding for a 280 pounder (he will likely cut weight to make 265 and re-hydrate after weigh-ins). He hits hard, could probably take down any MMA fighter in the whole world and appears willing to learn. If Lesnar chooses to keep the fight on the feet, it will be virtually impossible for Mir to take it to the ground. If he wishes to go down, Mir must similarly oblige. Lesnar will have 100% control over where the fight is fought during 100% of the 25 minute period. I think he may also choose a hybrid strategy and push Mir against the fence without taking him down. From close distance he can minimize the risk of eating one of Mir’s newfound uppercuts or crosses but can still do huge damage with elbows and short punches. A man of Lesnar’s dimensions does not necessarily need to “punch from the hip” or put his whole body behind his punches to do big damage and can hit very hard while at the same time tiring Mir, during the pummel against the fence. Should the fight go for more than 2 rounds, Lesnar’s chances for a victory are even higher as Mir will inevitably tire with a 280 pound monster all over him.
“But what if the fight somehow goes to the ground” you may ask. Lesnar may get hit in the face once too many times or simply get nervous and revert to what he knows best, going in for a takedown. If that should happen, I think that he will smoothly ground-and-pound his way into victory. This man has been training submission defense for over six months now and with his size and strength he has many more defenses that are simply not available to mere mortals (such as Rampage’s power bombs out of the triangle, or slams when an armbar is partially locked in). Six months of pure jiu-jitsu defense training goes a very long way Even in the first fight, it wasn’t easy for Mir to pull of that kneebar and Lesnar dominated during most of the ground game. Had he not punched to the back of Mir’s head, the fight would have likely been stopped in Lensar’s favor. Mir can always pull a submission out of thin air, of course, but I can live with that probability and will therefore place a $240 bet on Lesnar at -240. If Lesnar should win, we’ll be up $100.
As an aside, someone is getting hurt badly here. Mir is not one to tap to strikes or even to let them distract him from his submissions, so by the time the referee jumps in, Mir may have a severely busted face. If Mir gets a hold of a limb, on the other hand, he will do everything to break it. He did so without reservation before and has all the more motivation to do so now, after much trash talking by both man.
PS: My prediction is that the fight will not last beyond the third round. If you can get a bet on the duration of the fight, go for that instead of a straight bet. There is very little chance, in my opinion, that we will see a fourth round here.
Mark Coleman vs Stephan Bonnar
Mark Coleman is a pioneer and has a huge heart. He is also a strong man with serious wrestling credentials, but sadly, he refuses to evolve and hasn’t furthered his skills beyond his famous ground-and-pound. Unfortunately, he hasn’t even sharpeded this one tool since his debut in the Octagon a decade ago and continues to keep his head low and his arms in, thus opening himself up to armbars as well as triangles, which Fedor and Big Nog have scored three times against him in as many fights. His stand up is quite poor and his endurance even worse. He also “over-commits” to takedowns and is out of breath after a few of failed attempts. As if one needs more reason to bet on Bonnar, Coleman’s double legs also open him up to guillotines. No disrespect for Mark, but he belongs to a different era and will have a hard time beating any of the modern MMA.
Bonnar, on the other hand, may not be the next 205 pound champ, but he is severely underrated. He has gone toe to toe with Forrest Griffin twice for a total of 30 full minutes, which, even though he lost both times, is a testament to his endurance, chin and ability to “take a beating and keep on ticking”. Bonnar also fails to get the credit he deserves for his ground game despite seven out of his 11 career wins coming by way of submission. If Coleman continues to make the usual mistake of leaning on his opponent while in the guard (as opposed to continuously “posturing up” while delivering ground-and-pound style punishment ala Fedor) Bonnar can pull of an armbar. Another advantage for Bonnar is the fact that Coleman simply refuses to master guard passes and side control. I do not wish to excessively downplay Coleman’s ground-and-pound game or make it sound like any rookie can submit him from the bottom. But Coleman’s dislike for guard passes make the submission attempts of his opponents’ a low risk endeavor. Go for an armbar or triangle, and if you miss with Coleman landing on side control, put him back in guard and repeat until a) the referee stands up a tired and wasted Coleman b) you lock one of your sub attempts and get a tapout.
This mismatch gives me the confidence to place some dough on Bonnar despite pretty poor potential returns. I am breaking my own rule here by betting despite less than a third in paybacks, but this is an exceptional fight. So $250 on Bonnar, with -350 odds. If Bonnar wins, we’re up $71.
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Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping
What do the following names have in common? Dan Henderson, Kevin Randleman, Chael Sonnen? Answer: They could have dominated their weight classes and retired with shiny belts around their waists if only they took a full year off and did nothing but train no-gi jiu-jitsu. I must say that Dan Henderson has the most evolved submission game among the aforementioned names and he did improve his submissions–both offensively and defensively- to a respectable degree. But given his (and other similar wrestlers’) strength, flexibility, agility and work ethic, it is hard to understand why, after such a long and illustrious career, Henderson does not follow up his excellent takedowns with armbars, kata gatames, kimuras or rear naked chokes. His striking is, likewise, nowhere near where it could be. No, I haven’t forgotten the famous right overhead that can kill a dinosaur, but where are the combinations or the kicks? Long story short, Henderson is a diamond in the rough with no time left to polish it up.
Michael Bisping, on the other hand, is learning as quickly as his fellow countryman Isaac Newton. He has evolved tremendously since his first appearance at the Ultimate Fighter and holds the honor of revisiting the show as a coach, not too long after graduating as a resident of that dangerous house; quite the steep learning curve. Bisping’s chief strength is his crisp stand-up. He has certainly evolved greatly as a ground fighter, but won’t take down Henderson. He could indeed find himself at the bottom following an upper body takedown by Henderson but I doubt he can submit the American from the bottom, which is a feat that no one has accomplished thus far. As Bisping himself stated, he will attempt to get up if the fight goes to the ground, as opposed to wasting energy and taking undue risks with reversal or submission attempts. So while the advantage on the ground goes to Henderson, I do believe that Bisping can do enough to either force a referee stand-up or get up on his own at some point.
For as long as the fight is standing, I give Bisping a slight advantage. With the exception of knockout power, he is superior to Henderson in almost every way while both are up on their feet. He utilizes knees and kicks very effectively, which Henderson has little answer to (though Henderson does an excellent job absorbing the punishment and continuing to push forward) and he can punch from a variety of positions and distances. Henderson’s effective range is not short but pretty inflexible; he must stand at a moderate distance with his right hand pulled slightly back and dropped a little, ready to snap into action with a twist of his waist. The resulting punch has the force of his entire upper body behind it and travels a long distance before hitting the opponent, thus reaching a very high velocity. If one of those grenades land right on the chin, it’s lights out. But unfortunately, this style necessitates a telegraphing of the upcoming punch, leaves his own chin somewhat exposed and, since he doesn’t mix it up with other stances and combinations, makes him a little predictable. He hasn’t done huge damage with this punch in his last four fights.
Bisping can counter this right hand in a variety of ways. He can circle away from it, just as Fedor kept circling away from CroCop’s left side to avoid the famous high kick, or he can stay out of the range of this looping right hand. The latter strategy is not easy to pull off because Henderson is known to follow up a forward leap with the right overhead, so simply staying outside of the conventional range may not cut it. Conversely, if Bisping comes too close, Henderson can clinch and take him down. Unlike Coleman, Henderson is a Greco-Roman wrestler and a moderately tight clinch is all he needs. If staying out of range or circling prove infeasible, Bisping’s other choice is to defend against the right overhead with pure speed and agility. Considering the somewhat lackluster performance of Henderson in the recent past, I consider this a feasible option. At 185, Bisping is quick, very quick actually, and can be simply bold and walk right into Henderson, taking a moderate but not overwhelming risk of suffering a knockout. I would in fact argue that what Bisping has to fear more is letting Henderson get away with a decision victory, by doing just enough to outlast his opponent for 15 minutes. In fact, seven out of Henderson’s last nine matches have gone to a decision, and when they do, the American Energizer Bunny tends to win.
Long story short, if Bisping can keep the majority of this fight standing, he can win this. While the ever-present danger of this fight dragging to a decision in favor of Henderson or him rediscovering the overhead right (which he hasn’t scored a knockout with in over two years) are somewhat worrying, Henderson’s deteriorating performance of late and Bisping’s hunger, speed and versatility make a bet on the Brit a reasonable proposition at +190. So I am putting just $120 of my imaginary dollars on Bisping. If Bisping wins, we will be up $228.
PS: Fingers crossed for not getting a “no contest” for unintentional headbut. With Henderson’s habit of pushing in with his head and Bisping’s speedy forward movements, that can happen and would suck. Before placing a bet, do ask the oddsmaker whether you will get your money back right away in such a case.
Georges St. Pierre vs. Thiago Alves
Fireworks, expect nothing but fireworks in this fight, for the Deadly Canadian Gentlemen is facing the Brazilian Pit-bull. Lest you accuse me of having lost my mind as you read on and slowly discover where I am going, let me just confess upfront: I will bet on Alves. Now if I had to pick one winner, with no betting lines involved, I would go with St. Pierre. But with Vegas giving odds of +250 for Alves, this is worth a shot.
Alves could beat St. Pierre simply because his aggression and fearless style is exactly what the doctor ordered. Hughes, Koscheck, Trigg and a host of others have tried to outmuscle St. Pierre before; unfortunately, it does not work. Neither judo nor wrestling, nor BJ’s crazy flexibility were enough to control St. Pierre. If St. Pierre wants you down, you’re going down, dog! So fighting the takedowns is not the answer, but what is? The answer is to ignore the takedowns, throw punches like every single one of them is the last strike of your life and pray for the best, which is exactly what Alves does for a living. Alves has an intensity that is so terrifying that I feel uneasy if I come closer than 10 feet to the television screen during his fights. He truly does not seem to care, whether his punches will break your jaw, pulverize your nose, or open a gash right above your eye. Nor does he seem to be concerned with catching the wrong spot on your head and breaking his hand in the process, giving up the takedown, or any other trivial matter of such nature.
His focus and rage are so overwhelming that no man, even St. Pierre, can distract or scare Alves. The pit-bull will come forward and engage in a fierce battle until one man lies motionless on the ground and the other is circling the octagon waving to a cheering crowd. Now, there is a good chance that Alves will be the one in a horizontal position, while St. Pierre will stand at a 90 degree angle murmuring something happy in French, but we simply cannot discount the possibility that the opposite outcome will materialize. It can happen in one way and one way only (knockout!), hence this is a dangerous bet (which we will take into account by betting a relatively modest amount)but the odds are tempting. A knockout could come in a variety of ways. Alves will certainly punish GSP every time the Canadian goes for the clinch. St. Pierre will not make the mistake that Hughes did and go for a double, which Alves could stuff with his famous flying knees. However, even St. Pierre’s upper body clinches are not risk-free and he is certain to eat a few heavy hands in the process. While I do think that St. Pierre will take Alves down, I am not sure it will happen as easily as many people assume. Alves is an extraordinarily strong 170 pounder and may very well be the heaviest guy St. Pierre has ever faced. So St. Pierre may be forced to soften him up with blows as he did against BJ Penn and put himself in harm’s way during the process.
Finally, let us not forget about those crazy kicks of Alves, which can do huge damage to the legs, midsection or even score a knockout. Most fans assume that Alves will be reluctant to kick for fear of a takedown (by way of GSP getting a hold of the kicking foot), but I dispute this on two counts. First, you cannot worry about takedowns when fighting GSP; sooner or later he will bring you down to the ground anyway. Alves knows this better than anyone; he will stick to his striking game and not allow the fear of GSP’s wrestling disintegrate his game plan. Secondly, GSP will have a hard time catching the Brazilian’s legs due to a variety of reasons. Alves kicks very hard and very fast, nor does he leave his foot hanging after the kick; his pullback is swift and sudden. In addition, catching a striker’s leg for a takedown is far easier if you can dictate the distance and have little fear of the striker’s hands. Neither is true in this particular case. Alves is just as quick as GSP on the feet and with more tools than the Canadian at his disposal (a wider variety of effective punches and significantly better kicks) he won’t allow GSP to dictate the distance. Make no mistake about it, if Alves hits you anywhere between the hips and the shoulder, you’re in trouble. You cannot block them with the arm, as these can easily shatter your forearm. Nor can you simply cover your head with your elbow and decide to take the kick on your ribs. Your only choice is to avoid those kicks altogether by staying out of their range. This is the precise reason very very few people were able to catch CroCop’s kicks to follow it up with a takedown. So Alves does have tools in his arsenal to damage GSP and hurt him.
Bottom line; I give GSP a slightly higher than 50% chance to win this fight, because he will likely take this fight to the ground and if he can do so without taking too much damage, he can control Alves on the ground for long enough for a referee stoppage or a decision. But Alves has far more than a punchers’ chance and will present an immense danger to GSP every time the Canadian gets into close range. Therefore, we are betting $120 on Alves and with odds of +250 in our favor, we will get $300.
In Sum:
Lesnar beats Mir ($240 on Lesnar)
Bonnar beats Coleman ($250 on Bonnar)
Bisping beats Henderson ($120 on Bisping)
Alves beats St. Pierre ($120 on Alves)
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I can't see GSP losing to anyone at this point, not even Silva.
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Agree with you there. GSP will definitely not lose to Thiago Silva.
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shut the fuck up with all this text.
We don't like your kind here.
All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR
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Why you talking to yourself, Swede? ::)
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shut the fuck up with all this text.
We don't like your kind here.
All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR
Fedor is not fighting???
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Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir
Georges St-Pierre vs Thiago Alves
Jon Fitch vs Paulo Thiago
Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs Alan Belcher
Undercard:
Mark Coleman vs Stephan Bonnar
Mac Danzig vs Jim Miller
Jon Jones vs Jake O'Brien
Dong Hyun Kim vs Jonathan Goulet
CB Dollaway vs Tom Lawlor
Matt Grice vs Shannon Gugerty
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shut the fuck up with all this text.
We don't like your kind here.
All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR
Spot on we dont give a shit
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shut the fuck up with all this text.
We don't like your kind here.
All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR
haha, Mini-me trying to act as the "community spokesman" to earn toughness-points ;D
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Fuck UFC and Fuck the people who stink of protein farts that watch it.
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haha, Mini-me trying to add as the "community spokesman" to earn toughness-points ;D
busted ;D
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haha, Mini-me trying to add as the "community spokesman" to earn toughness-points ;D
LOL mini me, he is a bald ugly little midget.
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It's going to be on Sky Channel 433
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I want Mir to win, being a BJJ player myself, but I don't see how. IF Mir stands with Lesnar, it will be good night. His chance is to get the fight to the ground, sweep, get to top where he can use his BJJ. I don't think he wants to play bottom with Lesnar in guard. Hammerfists will end his night, methinks.
I think Brock has properly learned how to punch now, so we should see no more hammerfists.
Judging by the fact that everyone he's hit with a direct punch has fallen on their ass, I'd say if he lands a good clean shot Mir is in trouble.
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I'm just giving you a hard time! don't get all crazy old man! It"s all good and worked out either way, how was I supposed to know you would start the betting thread 2 months early? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Careful Sin, he'll "take your back and choke you out" :-X
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Swede,
How many threads have you not commented on since your joining on this board?
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I think Brock has properly learned how to punch now, so we should see no more hammerfists.
Judging by the fact that everyone he's hit with a direct punch has fallen on their ass, I'd say if he lands a good clean shot Mir is in trouble.
Esp. considering there's 285lbs. of muscle behind that punch :)
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Check out the UFC 100 pre-fight press conference video at http://mmawaves.com/?p=1293
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Look at this guy linking away from our site to his.. What a sneaky devil... Just playing it's all good.
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I've been blogging away about the many cool submissions of Frank Mir's UFC career and I don't want to give the impression that I'm expecting big things from Frank Mir and overlooking his opponent: the dread Brock Lesnar.
Because of Lesnar's NCAA wrestling pedigree you'd probably expect a Judo Chop featuring him to focus on his takedowns or his top control. Nope.
It's his punching power, reach and technique that has really impressed me. When he landed the first punch against Heath Herring at UFC 87 and sent Herring hurtling across the Octagon ass-over-ears with a shattered orbital bone, the MMA world realized that Brock Lesnar had begun to channel his raw power into a very dangerous standing game.
Sadly, I couldn't find a still of Lesnar that shows that punch and had to settle for a lesser later punch that isn't as technically crisp.
Lesnar also used technically sound punching to beat Randy Couture at UFC 91. The really frightening thing about the shot he dropped Couture with is his sheer reach. Couture actually ducked to avoid the punch but Lesnar's arms are so freaking long that Couture actually ducked and came back up to get caught before Lesnar's punch was through unwinding. Its a testament to Lesnar's sheer athletic talent and his trainability that he has added some basic but very technically sound striking to his budding MMA game.
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"I didn’t have any respect for Randy [Couture], I didn’t have any respect for Heath [Herring], I don’t have any respect for Frank."
"There’s going to be a winner, there’s going to be a loser. As soon as you step in and have any respect for your opponent, I think you become the loser a hell of a lot sooner."
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UFC 95 is probably an event that Jon Fitch's teammate Josh Koscheck would prefer to forget. Fresh off a stunning knockout victory of Yoshiyuki Yoshida at UFC Fight for the Troops in which Koscheck immediately gained new fans for his headhunting style, Koscheck met newcomer Paulo Thiago in a fight that many fans considered a squash match for Koscheck to end in spectacular fashion.
For the first three minutes of the bout, Koscheck forged into Thiago's range and threw heavy-handed bombs at the Brazilian submission specialist. Thiago tried to hang standing with Koscheck for most of the round, but it was evident that he had a much weaker striking game. Close to the 3:20 mark in the round, that all changed with an uppercut that found its mark on Koscheck's chin. Referee Marc Goddard stepped in to stop the bout, and a visibly upset Josh Koscheck denounced Goddard's decision. However you may feel about the stoppage, Paulo Thiago had beaten the odds and pulled off a surprise upset win.
Fast forward to Saturday night in which Paulo Thiago will have a chance to prove that he's no fluke. He'll take on Koscheck teammate and AKA member Jon Fitch in what is once again looking to be a squash match for the UFC to feature Jon Fitch.
What tells the tale that this could be a squash match? First and foremost, Paulo Thiago isn't a striking phenom. In fact, he looked appalling in his stand-up technique up until the flash knockout of Josh Koscheck at UFC 95. He was easily rattled by Koscheck's aggression and power, and he was taking substantial damage early. The major difference here is that Fitch won't be headhunting for Thiago. Jon Fitch is one wrestler who has avoided the trap of trying to win bonuses and fans by winging booming overhands.
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The UFC's middleweight division has been one of the more controversial weight classes in the sport for quite some time. Not only is the division seen as a shallow talent pool, but it has also suffered from having an overly dominant champion in Anderson Silva. An appalling performance at UFC 97 by Thales Leites didn't help. The controversy stems from the fact that Leites' performance excluded Demian Maia from receiving a title shot due to both being jiu jitsu stylists.
Enter Michael Bisping and Dan Henderson. Bisping vs. Henderson was not only a smart move in terms of creating an Ultimate Fighter season in which the UFC could pit the UK fighters vs. the U.S. fighters, but it also enables the UFC to push two fighters that have no qualms about trying to strike or takedown current champion Anderson Silva. Either fighter will take the fight to Silva as opposed to the passive approach of Thales Leites.
Additionally, the show had international appeal as it drew in current UK fans while adding to that fanbase by featuring Michael Bisping as a coach. It also brings in a new crop of fighters from the UK, and we all know that the UK fanbase could use some more star power than just Michael Bisping, Dan Hardy, Paul Taylor, and Terry Etim.
Not only does this bout provide a title contender that won't try the same style that Leites implemented against Silva, but if Bisping happens to defeat Henderson, it will surely set the stage for a massive event in the UK in which the UFC can make some solid revenue.
Stylistically, this bout has some mystery to it. Michael Bisping hasn't shown a solid wrestling base or unbelievable striking pedigree in the cage in many of his fights. He has managed to topple lesser competition in quick fashion, but his battles against Matt Hammil and Rashad Evans were telling signs that his game has yet to fully develop. After three consecutive wins following his bout with Rashad Evans, the question remains as to whether his skill set has improved.
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Brian Oswald thinks so:
If St-Pierre earns his 11th win in 12 fights, it would add more fuel to the fiery talk that he should move up to middleweight. Victory won't come easy. Alves is a bigger welterweight than the champion, and also is better able than most to stymie St-Pierre's takedown ability.
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Some will argue the Mike Swick-Martin Kampmann winner at UFC 103 would provide a good matchup, and Fitch himself has said he is not the same fighter that lost to the champion last summer. Despite those options, the most compelling and competitive fights for St-Pierre will be waiting for him in the middleweight division.
On the top of the list for most fans is a super-fight between himself and champion Anderson Silva. While people will argue St-Pierre should have to prove himself in the division before getting an immediate title shot, those sentiments will be silenced if UFC President Dana White wants to broker the fight.
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However, what's really on the line is GSP's legacy. He can finish out his career by continuing to rack up wins in the welterweight division, or he can significantly increase the level of his competition by moving onward and upward.
From a business angle, the logic is inexorable. Both Anderson Silva and Georges St Pierre are short of big money opponents in their own division. The problem is much worse for Anderson Silva, since he is not a draw himself and of the challengers nipping at his heels, only Michael Bisping is both a fresh opponent and a bit of a draw at least in the U.K.
In GSP's case, Mike Swick is at least a well known face to TUF fans and a win over Martin Kampmann would give Swick a legitimate, if arguable, claim on a title shot. But frankly, until and unless a new wave of young bloods emerges in the welterweight division -- I'm looking at you Dustin Hazelett, Anthony Johnson, and maybe, just maybe Paulo Thiago -- GSP might very well be better off testing the waters at middleweight
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As we build up to UFC 100, I've been running through the submissions UFC interim heavyweight champ Frank Mir is known for. We've covered his kneebar against Brock Lesnar, the Mir Lock, and the Footlock he busted out against Tank Abbott.
That's pretty much his greatest hits, right? I mean, sure, it was impressive when he armbarred BJJ black belt Roberto Traven, but that fight was in the "Dark Ages" and no one really talks about it as much as it merits. Oh wait, there is one more submission win Frank Mir has notched in the UFC that does get a little bit of attention.
Yeah, that's right, people still talk about Frank snapping Tim Sylvia's arm on live PPV at UFC 48. How could I forget? I also realize that I've never done a Judo Chop about the humble arm bar. Possibly the most high percentage submission in the game (after the rear naked choke), the arm bar gets taken for granted by nerds like myself.
According to our own Leland Roling's analysis of the FightFinder database, 5305 out of 62,600 fights ended via armbar or 8.47% of all fights and 5588 out of 62,600 ended via Rear Naked Choke or 8.93% of all fights.
But when we saw it for the first time at UFC 2, when Royce Gracie tapped out Jason DeLucia with it and the announcer was saying "Yup, he popped the capsule. Royce definitely broke his arm." It was pretty mind blowing stuff. The common-place status of the arm bar in today's MMA is testament to the ubiquituousness of jiu jitsu in the sport.
Here's Frank talking about that fight to BodyBuilding magazine:
Tim's was an interesting break since I snapped his forearm in half. You have to give him credit though. Even with his arm snapped in two he was still trying to pick me up with the same arm. He wanted to continue to fight me one handed.
It was an odd experience. The crowd didn't totally get that I had busted his arm in half and so they were surprised by the stoppage.
The funny part about that arm bar is that Sylvia didn't realize his arm had been broken either. That says a lot about Sylvia's pain tolerance and the power of adrenaline. But there's another factor that often gets over-looked: Sylvia had done what you need to do to escape from most arm bars. He had pulled his arm back enough to get the elbow out from between Mir's legs. The elbow is the normal pivot point that is attacked by the arm bar, not the middle of the forearm in this instance.
Mir has commented in interviews that it was his protective cup operating as a fulcrum (along with his considerable power) that snapped Sylvia's forearm. Normally, the hip acts as the fulcrum against the pivot point of the elbow. The combination of Mir's power, Sylvia's extremely long arms and the hard shell protective cup over Mir's manly goods was a bad one for Big Tim.
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It says on Sky's website that it's only available in Ireland.
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LOL ;D
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sounds crude but the guy has a point....
love the way he's carrying his "wrassling schtick" into the UFC with him...
people are always gonna pay to see him lose
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Andersons way too big for GSP...
p4p they're close on talent, but the size deficit will kill GSP
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I can't see GSP losing to anyone at this point, not even Silva.
I love GSP and think he could beat Anderson Silva. But Thiago's aggression is what's going to make or break the fight. I'd say it's a 50/50 change. GSP's my home boy and favorite fighter, but Thiago is a fucking ANIMAL. Abuses the shit out of diuretics and looks to be 20lbs heavier by the time he's fighting.
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lol i cant believe he said that
you can tell he hasnt had an ass whoopin ever.
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Wrong on all those picks except for the possiblity of a Lesner win, perfer Mir though.
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Until Sunday. And I wont have a internet connection.
So Im putting my trust in you people to go NUTS For me on the boards if Brock wins over mir?
Please?
Can?
You?
Do?
That?
Ive been the only member on Team Lesnar now for years. Squadfather and SS had a short burst as members though lol!
Please.
And Baam
(http://i25.tinypic.com/oigo79.jpg)
Never asked for anything on GB before :(
(http://www.philbodybuilders.com/pix/leepriest.jpg)
Whats lees arm routine btw? BB RELATED
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:'(
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Looking so forward to UFC 100 :o :D
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Looking so forward to UFC 100 :o :D
Ive had a semi boner all week because of it!
man Oh man Im gonna go NUTS 6 a clock in the morning if he wins ;D
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Ive had a semi boner all week because of it!
man Oh man Im gonna go NUTS 6 a clock in the morning if he wins ;D
It looks like Lesnar might win, yes :D
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It looks like Lesnar might win, yes :D
If he doesn't accidentally get caught in a stupid sumbmission he will RUN OVER MIR LIKE A FOCKING TRAIN
(http://www.ufcscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ufc81_brock_lesnar_vs_frank_mir.jpg)
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If he doesn't accidentally get caught in a stupid sumbmission he will RUN OVER MIR LIKE A FOCKING TRAIN
(http://www.ufcscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ufc81_brock_lesnar_vs_frank_mir.jpg)
Debussey will laugh if Mir knocks him out ;D
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Debussey will laugh if Mir knocks him out ;D
If you watch the Counture match closley, you can see at the begining of the fight he took an hit RIGHT on his chin, and didn't even flinch.
THE MAN IS A MACHINE!!! ;D
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UFC = tapout shirts, men trying to rape eachother and protein farts in no particular order.
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Ok, im going now, MAKE ME PROUD ;D
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Ok, im going now, MAKE ME PROUD ;D
later swede don't forget to use a condom :D
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I'm gonna download that sucker sunday morning... after that no interwebs for me till i see it in the evening...
And if Lesnar wins... (and I'm not betting on it...) i'm gonna scream my tonsils to a pulp...
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If you watch the Counture match closley, you can see at the begining of the fight he took an hit RIGHT on his chin, and didn't even flinch.
THE MAN IS A MACHINE!!! ;D
Couture's power = questionable ;D
Mir knocked out a sick nogueira ;D :P
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Couture's power = questionable ;D
Mir knocked out a sick nogueira ;D :P
???
doesn't surprise me someone with 52IQ is interested in UFC lol
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???
doesn't surprise me someone with 52IQ is interested in UFC lol
Debussey adores MMA.
At least it can comprehend some of it :D
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???
doesn't surprise me someone with 52IQ is interested in UFC lol
LOL. You don't get to that level of intelligence without taking some serious hits to the noggin.
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LOL. You don't get to that level of intelligence without taking some serious hits to the noggin.
Shut up you obnoxious muppet >:(
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Shut up you obnoxious muppet >:(
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This thing you keep on your bookshelf will soon become your reality you vicious bastard:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/3218057236_af8c7d273c.jpg?v=0)
>:(
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This thing you keep on your bookshelf will soon become your reality you vicious bastard:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/3218057236_af8c7d273c.jpg?v=0)
>:(
LOL. That is brilliant! I wonder how improvised that scene was, or was it just another day for John Cleese?
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This thing you keep on your bookshelf will soon become your reality you vicious bastard:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/3218057236_af8c7d273c.jpg?v=0)
>:(
LOL :D
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LOL. That is brilliant! I wonder how improvised that scene was, or was it just another day for John Cleese?
Only this man knows.
(http://nixiepixel.com/blog/media/blogs/a/famous/john-cleese-twitpic.jpg)
(http://donignacio.tripod.com/cleese8.jpg)
(http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/John_Cleese/john_cleese_basil_fawlty.jpg)
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Only this man knows.
I know he recently got divorced (for the 4th time!?), and it cost him $50 mil+. That's gotta bring on some tears. :-\
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UFC 100 is gonna be awsome 8)
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I know he recently got divorced (for the 4th time!?), and it cost him $50 mil+. That's gotta bring on some tears. :-\
He obviously forgot to live according to the Swerdlow school of relationships:
(http://www.skybooksusa.com/images/books/truesexuality.jpg)
(https://www3157.ssldomain.com/expansions/cw3/Assets/product_full/13Cubed.jpg)
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UFC 100 is gonna be awsome 8)
People like him=not the future.
People like De Grasse Tyson=yes 8)
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People like him=not the future.
People like De Grasse Tyson=yes 8)
Screw that way of thinking. MMA = highly entertaining.
And its still De Gary Bussey, not that crap way you pronounced Debussey in your video >:(
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Screw that way of thinking. MMA = highly entertaining.
And its still De Gary Bussey, not that crap way you pronounced Debussey in your video >:(
I thought you valued the mind and intellect over brute force?
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I thought you valued the mind and intellect over brute force?
Debussey = dumb as shit.
And you can value both. You can enjoy watching MMA in your spare time and do your intellectual stuff when needing to do that. :D
(and dont forget, MMA requires some brains as well :D )
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wrong on all of them?
So Mark Coleman is going to beat Bonnar?
care to tell how that will happen?
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Careful Sin, he'll "take your back and choke you out" :-X
I have a new move that I call the Colombian necktie. It's banned under UFC rules but in the STREETS, that's a whole different story. So watch your moufs!
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I have a new move that I call the Colombian necktie. It's banned under UFC rules but in the STREETS, that's a whole different story. So watch your moufs!
Getbig nostalgia ;D
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Mir will break Brocks arm in the exact same fashion he broke Tims.
Hendo K.O's Michele in the 1st.
GSP submits Thiago in the 2nd (R.N.C) In the same fashion as he did Hughes.
Bonner gets unfortunally caught by Coleman somehow in the 3rd.
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Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir - I want Mir to win, but I think Lesnar is now more than just a big bully. His standup will me much better and he should be able to nullify Franks offense with his wrestling. Plus, Franks cardio is questionable. If this goes past the second, I see Mir gassing out.
Georges St-Pierre vs Thiago Alves - an upset is definitely possible, but I still think GSP will walk through Alves. I'm looking forward to this one.
Jon Fitch vs Paulo Thiago - Paulo will be lucky to make it out of the 1st round.
Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping - this fight will be the most boring on the card. Bisbing running for his life for three solid rounds stick & move. Bisbing by split decision.
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs Alan Belcher - Yoshihiro is no joke. This is Alan's biggest test to date. This is a tossup. I'm going with Akiyama.
Undercard:
Mark Coleman vs Stephan Bonnar
Mac Danzig vs Jim Miller
Jon Jones vs Jake O'Brien - this should be on the main card!
Dong Hyun Kim vs TJ Grant
CB Dollaway vs Tom Lawlor
Matt Grice vs Shannon Gugerty
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Getbig nostalgia ;D
ha ha!
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My take as stated in the other thread.
Mir will break Brocks arm in the exact same fashion he broke Tims.
Hendo K.O's Michele in the 1st.
GSP submits Thiago in the 2nd (R.N.C) In the same style as he did Hughes.
Bonner gets unfortunally caught by Coleman somehow in the 3rd.
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It's available in Ireland on Setanta - UK is Channel 433
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It's available in Ireland on Setanta - UK is Channel 433
Is that definite, cos 433 is Racing World? It's not listed anywhere on any websites, Sky.com only has it in Ireland.
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Brockwurst has good standup, but on the ground Debussey would shatter his sphincter...
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Brockwurst has good standup, but on the ground Debussey would shatter his sphincter...
Speaking from experience? :D
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"Mir will break Brocks arm in the exact same fashion he broke Tims.
Hendo K.O's Michele in the 1st.
GSP submits Thiago in the 2nd (R.N.C) In the same fashion as he did Hughes.
Bonner gets unfortunally caught by Coleman somehow in the 3rd."
if all these things happen, I will clean your shoes and wash your dishes for the next 250 years...
funny how you say "Bonner gets unfortunately caught by Coleman somehow". Indeed, Coleman winning is such a remote possibility that it is hard to imagine how it can possibly occur...
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Lesnar will destroy Mir, I hope Bisping beauts up Hendo
but Im worried about GSP, his biggest problem is his lack of stopping/knockout power
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Bitchping is a joke, got is a$$ whupped by Hamill than walked and talked like he destroyed Matt, whats gonna happen now that he is fighting in the good Ole U.S.A., no british judges to give him the bout, he is small at 185lb, a joke, hoping Hendo ground and pounds him back to the U.K., although with the count of monte bitchko being mad, we should all run and hide
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No matter how many fights he wins
lesnar=loser
that comment shows what an a-hole he is, if not for guys like couture, when he washed up in rasslin, he wouldn't be making a dime right now, except to say, "you want fries with that"
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I like Mir as a fighter but his takedowns are quite inadequate, he has no kicks and lacks endurance. If Lesnar just closes the distance and pushes him aganist the cage for a full round, Mir is finished. Just push him and do the famous "dirty boxing" a la Randy Couture. A 280 lb guy throwing short punches to the body and face for 5 minutes will get the job done...
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Check out part 4 of Dana White’s UFC 100 video blog:
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No matter how many fights he wins
lesnar=loser
that comment shows what an a-hole he is, if not for guys like couture, when he washed up in rasslin, he wouldn't be making a dime right now, except to say, "you want fries with that"
::) ::) ::) ::) Oh lord ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I like Mir as a fighter but his takedowns are quite inadequate, he has no kicks and lacks endurance. If Lesnar just closes the distance and pushes him aganist the cage for a full round, Mir is finished. Just push him and do the famous "dirty boxing" a la Randy Couture. A 280 lb guy throwing short punches to the body and face for 5 minutes will get the job done...
That plus Lesnar seems to have a pretty solid chin..Couture hit him with a couple of hard shots and Lesnar barely blinked
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wrong on all of them?
So Mark Coleman is going to beat Bonnar?
care to tell how that will happen?
No one can predict by what means a fight will end, you can only guess who might win.
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pft ::)
That WWE smack talk shit is so lame.
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This video also describes the one the only Berzerkfury who is destined to be forgotten in life :-\
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That 7 foot Indian dude in the newest Longest yard needs to take a few years to learn some MMA. Because its obvious that the people in charge have no respect for the sport...Brock is the new Tyson and I have no doubt that he would get floored with a guy who man handles him...As soon as Brock gets thrown around, he will be done...SAme on the UFC to make him the greatest fighter and capable of fighting Fedor...
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Michael Bisping is a total
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Just got to Vegas - tomorrow morning, heading to the expo to check it out!
Tomorrow evening, will watch the fights, from the Mandalay Bay Arena...
Floor seats, Section 1, 7th row :)
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lucky ass ;)
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armbars are tough to get out of once the guy has it fairly good, imo if you dont roll and turn before the guy gets it snug your done
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armbars are tough to get out of once the guy has it fairly good, imo if you dont roll and turn before the guy gets it snug your done
Debussey = gonna laugh if Mir armbars Lesnar in any way ;D
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Did you watch the weigh-in? He looks like he has the HIV. Maybe he went overboard trying to lose weight to be a light-heavy.
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Throw an egg at Fred Durst for me.
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This is all about UFC is...
Men`s love...sugar daddy loves to watch it and wanabe with synthol biceps!
(http://sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop.php?image=http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20090711123010__DJV0942b.JPG&width_size=600)
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Frank fertitta or (synthol biceps) as you know him can do whatever he wants ;)
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i see i am the only one who picked bisping to win
are people not picking him cause they don't like his attitude ???
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Check out Thiago Alves’ UFC 100 video blog:
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Tito Ortiz has been banned from attending the UFC Expo at the Mandalay Bay Convention Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, according to Cagewriter.com. The reason for the ban is due to his feud with Dana White.
Ortiz will instead be attending the Hooter’s Casino Hotel in Las Vegas today for an autograph signing session from 12 p.m. to 4 p.m. PT.
Here is what Ortiz told ESPNRadio 1100 about being banned:
“UFC wouldn’t let me go to the Fan Expo. I feel very sorry for all my fans. I’m here for the fans, I’m going to support them no matter what.”
http://mmawaves.com/?p=1370
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Is that definite, cos 433 is Racing World? It's not listed anywhere on any websites, Sky.com only has it in Ireland.
Yes, 100%
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100000485/answers-to-fans-questions-concerning-ufc-100-uk-tv-deal/
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Check out these two videos in which Frank Mir demonstrates some striking and submission techniques that he used to win his fights against Brock Lesnar and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira:
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like what he says between 3:35 - 4:16 in the first video
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Since when has Ron been a big UFC fan? ::)
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Since when has Ron been a big UFC fan? ::)
does it matter? Its a huge event and you can meet whole bunch of people. Rather than the same old bbing community.
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Is that definite, cos 433 is Racing World? It's not listed anywhere on any websites, Sky.com only has it in Ireland.
The Setanta Ireland says the UFC shows leading up to UFC100 and UFC100 is only for irish viewers,but its also got the same programmes on Racing World 433 from 9.40pm so hopefully UK viewers can watch it on that channel.
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Dana White is such pussy / controll freak..
no wonder Fedor doesn't want to sign with the UFC ;D
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i see i am the only one who picked bisping to win
are people not picking him cause they don't like his attitude ???
He's not going to know what to do when Dan puts him on his ass, that's why I'm not picking him.
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Bisping is cool.
Great scoucer attitude, and an excellent fighter.
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Matt Hammil was robbed!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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Just got to Vegas - tomorrow morning, heading to the expo to check it out!
Tomorrow evening, will watch the fights, from the Mandalay Bay Arena...
Floor seats, Section 1, 7th row :)
Ron where is the hook up for your MMA board mod?? No love from the Ron man... You could always send some pro's to the website so I could get an interview??/
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Anyone wanna pm me where to catch the fight thanks....
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thank
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The feeds went down anyone got links pm them please to early for bad links...
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Check your PM.
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does it matter? Its a huge event and you can meet whole bunch of people. Rather than the same old bbing community.
“Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive”
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Brock by ref stoppage or KO in the second.
I'm behind Alves but I can't call it for either. GSP is a monster.
Henderson by submission or TKO in the third or by decision.
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I'd also love a link.
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thanks :)
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My take as stated in the other thread.
Mir will break Brocks arm in the exact same fashion he broke Tims.
Hendo K.O's Michele in the 1st.
GSP submits Thiago in the 2nd (R.N.C) In the same style as he did Hughes.
Bonner gets unfortunally caught by Coleman somehow in the 3rd.
Do you have anymore of those drugs you are taking ::)
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Go download the sopcast player and add the MMA-TV channel. If you cant find the MMA-TV channel then just add sop://broker1.sopcast.com:3912/24267 to your sopcast player.
Enjoy.
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Bisping got knocked the fuck out!
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Bisping got knocked the fuck out!
Jeez. He was put away.
Hendo looked great.
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hook me up
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Brock destroys Mir. Very impressive. I don't see anyone beating this big boy for a looooooong time.
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Brock destroys Mir. Very impressive. I don't see anyone beating this big boy for a looooooong time.
Fedor, Overeem, Barnett and possibly Aleks.
hate lesnar
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His fuckin wrestling heel act at the end of the fight really turned me off.
Can't stand that twat.
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Can't stand that twat.
me neither, twat is perfect name for him.
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PRO MMA: Aleks, if possible would you like to fight in the UFC? Why or why not and what do you think of their heavyweight fighters and champion Brock Lesnar?
AE: Yes I want to. I like their fight organization level, it is very high. There is just one thing about Brock Lesnar, I will beat him.
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His fuckin wrestling heel act at the end of the fight really turned me off.
Can't stand that twat.
I hate to say it but even as a WWE fan and Lesnar fan I did not approve of his behaviour.
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Fedor, Overeem, Barnett and possibly Aleks.
hate lesnar
Carwin might have a chance as well 8)
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My take as stated in the other thread.
Mir will break Brocks arm in the exact same fashion he broke Tims.
Hendo K.O's Michele in the 1st.
GSP submits Thiago in the 2nd (R.N.C) In the same style as he did Hughes.
Bonner gets unfortunally caught by Coleman somehow in the 3rd.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!! DON'T GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB. ;D
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No matter how many fights he wins
lesnar=loser
that comment shows what an a-hole he is, if not for guys like couture, when he washed up in rasslin, he wouldn't be making a dime right now, except to say, "you want fries with that"
COme back when you take your head out of your ass. hahahahahahaha
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The Greatest Fighter to have Ever Lived 2.0
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His fuckin wrestling heel act at the end of the fight really turned me off.
Can't stand that twat.
I loved it!!!!!!!!! The fans want to boo him, fuck them!!! :D
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tonight is exactly why I love this guy. That added extra forearm was perfect.
As soon as I told my wife at the end of the 1st dan is setting up a lazy right just watch and see BOOM. Right on the button.
How can you not love Dan Henderson.
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Gotta love him.
Of course, it helps that Bisping is such an ass.
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hendo's one tough son of a bitch !
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Gotta love him.
Of course, it helps that Bisping is such an ass.
yes, him being an a$$ helped. Even when when they mentioned (dan) was a champ in pride she immediately asked why would bis talk so much sh*t , I said I don't know but he's going to sleep tonight.
LMAO.
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hendo's one tough son of a bitch !
Dawg..... I fuckin love this cat. I literally stole that right hand and I use it all the freaking time. seriously. That sh*t works. boxing and mma. High and tight and dive in with that sh*t.
Dan is the MAN.
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Great job Frank....after he regained consciousnes attack the referee thinking it's Brock... LOL
LESNAR ALL THE WAY!!!!
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It's on someone's tv..but better then nothing...
check out the overhead replay of the final seconds when Brock just unloads and Mir's head is bouncing like a basketball off the cage..
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Hendo is my HERO. ;D Hopefully, Michael "Down for the Count" Bisping will be more respcectful for some of the pioneers of the sport.
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Hendo's right hand, his greco roman wrestling, his ground and pound, and his chin was why I didn't pick "Down for the Count." Pillowhands had no respect from Hendo, he walked through everyone of his strikes and walked him down. Why Douchebag was circling toward Hendo's right hand is questionable.
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Bones Jones made short work of him.
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ok point proven ;D
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lesnar has no class
they should bring fedor in to fuck him up
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Dana White is such pussy / controll freak..
no wonder Fedor doesn't want to sign with the UFC ;D
agreed
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im the happiest guy in the world today, dan called it, dan said he will do his talking with his fist and his fist talked very loud. bisping was out cold from hendos over hand right, and i loved it when dan came down and smashed bispings face with another punch for good measure ;D
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Get them while they are still up:
http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/
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that last punch was brutal.................. ... could have cracked his skull... :o
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He should have been fined/penalized/suspended for that unnecessary second punch when Bisping was already out Cold...what a pussy.
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Andersons way too big for GSP...
p4p they're close on talent, but the size deficit will kill GSP
Agreed, GSP lacks knockout power.... Anderson has insane amounts of KO power...bad combo...also Anderson's fucking reach is like 82" GSP will be a sitting duck, and will get schooled hard in muay thai.
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that knock out was fukin sick!!!
Bisping will be lucky if he can talk again after that
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At first I thought that it was really uncool of Dana. But, it is business and Tito is no longer part of UFC. Let him go the Expo that he represents.
If you broke up with a girlfriend would you invite her over fro Christmas dinner probably not. Same thing for Dana, Dana does need to lighten up it shows a great deal of immaturity on his part.
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Andersons way too big for GSP...
p4p they're close on talent, but the size deficit will kill GSP
That's how I feel, and a lot of knuckleheads on this board called me crazy. ::)
However, there really is nothing left for GSP at welterweight. Maybe one day my boy Rumble will be ready, but not yet.
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Agreed, GSP lacks knockout power.... Anderson has insane amounts of KO power...bad combo...also Anderson's fucking reach is like 82" GSP will be a sitting duck, and will get schooled hard in muay thai.
badabing!
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lesnar has no class
they should bring fedor in to fuck him up
Mir talked alot of shit, just like Pisbing.....now tey both can STFU! :D
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Maybe he didn't realize he knocked him out and was just trying to go for the finish ???
Some of you guys are being too harsh.
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could'nt understand half of what was coming out of his pie hole in the first place..
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mir was once quoted, "I have never been knocked out in my life even after my motorcycle accident I was not knocked out the only time I got knocked out when I was 9 years old by my dad"
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He should have been fined/penalized/suspended for that unnecessary second punch when Bisping was already out Cold...what a pussy.
Why? The judge had not stopped the fight, and he did not break any rules.
Despite that, Bisping could have gotten seriously injured by that second punch. If not he still got some brutal brain trauma from it. Brutal potential for PCS.
Hopefully he will recover.
If anything, the pounding Pedro Rizzo recieved at the end of his recent fight with Yvel triumps Hendersons whopping 10 fold ;D
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He should have been fined/penalized/suspended for that unnecessary second punch when Bisping was already out Cold...what a pussy.
Um hey Einstein, you keep fighting till the ref stops it. And yes Bisping is a pussy...at least you got that right
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(http://i28.tinypic.com/mvqlw8.jpg)
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looks like a knee is growing there or something
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It was brusitis, he has been dealing with it for a month or so I think. didn't make to much of a differance last night, same thing Wandy had when he won the GP.
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He should have been fined/penalized/suspended for that unnecessary second punch when Bisping was already out Cold...what a pussy.
We replayed it in slow motion (DVR is great for UFC) and when Bisping hit the mat, his head and arms popped back up almost like he was going to defend himself at about the same time Hendo left his feet for the final punch, so I thought it was still a fair shot.
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It was brusitis, he has been dealing with it for a month or so I think. didn't make to much of a differance last night, same thing Wandy had when he won the GP.
GSP must've had it drained a few times, cause it didn't look nearly that bad last night.
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lesnar has no class
they should bring fedor in to fuck him up
Serious question, is Lesnar really that much of a disrespectful prick or is the whole WWE bad guy schtick part of an act to be the most hated guy in UFC so everyone tunes in hoping he'll lose?
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I agree, Equipoise is overreacting a bit, that was something that occurs commonly in all fights, you fight until the ref comes to pull you away. Hendo did exactly what he should have.
I bet that mouthy Brit, isn't doing much talking today
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Serious question, is Lesnar really that much of a disrespectful prick or is the whole WWE bad guy schtick part of an act to be the most hated guy in UFC so everyone tunes in hoping he'll lose?
nah.dude is really a dick.
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Living legend
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They mentioned last night the winner of Swick/Kampman gets GSP next...
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He should have been fined/penalized/suspended for that unnecessary second punch when Bisping was already out Cold...what a pussy.
hope your not a fighter.If you was you wouldn't fair very well with that type of thinking.
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ok point proven ;D
;D
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That punch was one of the best things I've ever seen happen to a loud mouth.
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did anybody watch the 100 best ufc fights on spike?
notice how all of the tito fights on the list were losses? though they didn't show his awesome fight where he lost to frank, dana has bad blood with him too
how on earth could they leave off the first tito/ken fight? i think that was the first mma fight to gett mainstream coverage back in 2002, their rivalry was arguably the most heated in mma history and the fight was brutal
E
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brock definitely learned how to sell himself and his fights from the wwe
everybody wants to watch a "bad guy"
E
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Because its obvious that the people in charge have no respect for the sport
:(
can't wait till he gets beat. dana and him are a disgrace to mma.
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Maybe he didn't realize he knocked him out and was just trying to go for the finish ???
Some of you guys are being too harsh.
Well, Hendo sure as hell seemed to be aware in the post-fight interview with Joe that the second punch was pure bonus. ;D
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GSP is great. His corner men are awesome too. Not like that girl Bisping had in his corner, yelling and getting all upset.
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I don't personally know brock, and I doubt anyone here does either. With that being said, I think he's a normal guy, he just feeds off of crowds.
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GSP is great. His corner men are awesome too. Not like that #### Bisping had in his corner, yelling and getting all upset.
"I pulled my groin."
"I don't care, George. Hit him with your groin."
haha
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Dana White: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brock Lesnar Will Happen Eventually
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Quote:
Brock Lesnar became the undisputed heavyweight champion of the UFC with his win over Frank Mir at UFC 100. But he still needs to beat one more opponent before he could call himself the undisputed heavyweight champion of MMA.
That opponent, of course, is Fedor Emelianenko, who is widely regarded as the best heavyweight in the world, but who has never fought in the UFC because he won't agree to the UFC's contractual demands. A Fedor vs. Lesnar fight would be the biggest heavyweight fight in MMA history, and UFC President Dana White said after UFC 100 that he's confident he can make it happen.
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"This whole Fedor thing has been going on and on and on," White said. "I keep saying this and that about him and he keeps waiting. Eventually, Fedor's going to be here. I want Fedor. I want him to come to the UFC and everything else."
And although Fedor still has one more fight on his current contract with Affliction (an August 1 bout against former UFC heavyweight champion Josh Barnett), White is already looking ahead toward getting Fedor into the Octagon and giving him a shot at the UFC heavyweight champion in his first bout.
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"This guy just became the heavyweight champion," White said, gesturing to Lesnar. "We'll end up getting that deal done. And then we'll do Brock vs. Fedor, and it'll be a huge fight."
It would be a huge fight. And it would be a fight in which Fedor, despite a size disadvantage of around 50 pounds, would be favored to win.
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Serious question, is Lesnar really that much of a disrespectful prick or is the whole WWE bad guy schtick part of an act to be the most hated guy in UFC so everyone tunes in hoping he'll lose?
he was obviously told to apologise in his post fight interview
guy is an arrogant asshole
but he is also a fucking freight train in the ring
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linkage?!
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Mir talked alot of shit, just like Pisbing.....now tey both can STFU! :D
all fighters do that too promote fights
the thing i like about most fighters, is the class they show at the end of the fight win or lose when the animosity is forgoten and mutual respect is shown
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I agree. I don't think Brock is big enough to get a size and power advantage over Fedor's experience and skill. Fedor is no small fry himself.
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could'nt understand half of what was coming out of his pie hole in the first place..
;D
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I am glad he beat Bisping, but lets not get carried away. Anderson handled the guy quite easily, not to mention he lost to Rampage. He was given two shots at titles in his first two fights in the UFC and lost them both. Bisping needed an ass whipping, so I am glad he got one. Not sure how beating a glorified can makes Hendo a great fighter all of a sudden. Imo, the verdict is still out on him as far as his future in the UFC is concerned, he needs to beat a big name.
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I am glad he beat Bisping, but lets not get carried away. Anderson handled the guy quite easily, not to mention he lost to Rampage. He was given two shots at titles in his first two fights in the UFC and lost them both. Bisping needed an ass whipping, so I am glad he got one. Not sure how beating a glorified can makes Hendo a great fighter all of a sudden. Imo, the verdict is still out on him as far as his future in the UFC is concerned, he needs to beat a big name.
He's 38 years old.1-2 fights more at best.He's a damn good fighter (not great though)that has maximized his potential & been a class act.I don't see any Verdict being out on him.you win some lose some then call it a career.
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He's 38 years old.1-2 fights more at best.He's a damn good fighter (not great though)that has maximized his potential & been a class act.I don't see any Verdict being out on him.you win some lose some then call it a career.
He can still make a run in the UFC if given the chance. Not saying he could beat Machida or Silva, but if Page were to beat Machida for instance, Dan has a legitimate reason for a rematch considering they went the full 5.
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Fedor will not fight in the UFC.
The only way Lesnar/Fedor will happen is with a post-UFC Lesnar.
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Hendo gets 100,000 for ko of the night and lands the people's flying elbow ;D
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He can still make a run in the UFC if given the chance. Not saying he could beat Machida or Silva, but if Page were to beat Machida for instance, Dan has a legitimate reason for a rematch considering they went the full 5.
nobody's beating Machida !
it's just never gonna happen !
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the people's flying elbow ;D
YES!!! THE PEOPLE'S ELBOW!!!
(http://www.snichol.freeserve.co.uk/rock.jpg)
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haha bump :D
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one things for sure, the only reason dan creamed him after he was out was because bisping taunted dan the whole series, if anyone deserved that it was bisping for sure. im positive dan wouldnt of creamed him with that sweet and brutal haymaker while bisping was in la la land if it was another opponant who wasnt a prick like bisping. justice was served that night
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imo dans already proved himseld, dans a legit contender imo. hes getting up there in age but dans been in that cage/ring with the best of the best and showed his heart and fighting spirit along with his skills
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I am glad he beat Bisping, but lets not get carried away. Anderson handled the guy quite easily, not to mention he lost to Rampage. He was given two shots at titles in his first two fights in the UFC and lost them both. Bisping needed an ass whipping, so I am glad he got one. Not sure how beating a glorified can makes Hendo a great fighter all of a sudden. Imo, the verdict is still out on him as far as his future in the UFC is concerned, he needs to beat a big name.
Handled him quite easy? He won the first round. That was a good fight.
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this a great clip of the KO
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(http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&w=550&cs=1&s=6DAE213D-1422-0E8C-9A064651D2EE50AF.jpg)
I think I could get him to pop in here and chat. Should I??
www.progenexsrg.com
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Unfortunitely GSP would get owned by Silva. It's pretty obvious from saturday night that even GSP thinks that from listeining to his post fight comments. At least thats what i interpretted it as.
What about moving down to 155?
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I think you need to talk to me, you got all these guys on your product, I want to get them on the Radio Show!
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It's obvious after GSP post fight interview he has no intentions moving up to fight Anderson and I don't blame him.
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Lesnar's post match, unscripted remarks did not completely surpirse (sic) me. Those that do not personally know Lesnar as do I need to understand that his level of intensity and fury is scary. Brock has said many things in private conversations that I have been a part of that would make one do a double take. He is an intimidating, emotional jock who has been known for speaking first and thinking later. I don't think Brock is an inherently evil person whatsoever but his level of competitiveness can be dangerous. It's like Brock "moonsaulting" at Wrestlemania 19 in Seattle against Kurt Angle when being advised not to prior to the bout. Lesnar was told that men his size don't do top rope Moonsaults which was the wrong thing to say to the former NCAA All American and National Champion. Lesnar came close to tragically ending his athletic career that night while defying logic and doing what others told him that he could not do.
Lesnar, as I pointed out a couple of days ago, loves to be jeered...the louder the better. Brock takes his game to another level when he knows that it's him against the world. ...When Lesnar, who detested the travel and emotional demands of WWE's schedule, was the most "hated villain" on the roster he was at his happiest in sports entertainment.
Plus, let's not forget that some people genuinely enjoy being a badass bully. Lesnar, in a ring, mat, or octagon, embraces that persona. Brock may say that he did not like school but the South Dakota farm boy is far from being a dumb jock. Lesnar has plenty of common sense and knows, as Eric Bischoff wrote, that controversy does in deed create cash.
Jim Ross, announcer for the WWE and former head of talent relations blogs about his ex-employee Brock Lesnar's post UFC 100 blowup.
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How much does that knockout by Dan Henderson set him back as far as being toward the top of the 185lb class again?
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he never was at (or near) the top of 185....
my best guess is he'll become a permanent fixture on a lot of upcoming UFC fight night cards...
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I think GSP does have a real chance with Andersen. GSP would be able to control the fight with his wrestling and potentially win with a decision or sub. I want to see this fight!
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Bisping will only fight in England now
Bisping vs Wandy would be fun to watch
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bisping future is now a full time fluffer.
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Bisping vs Wandy would be fun to watch
yes...
wandy definely deserves an easier fight considering he's been fed to the wolves (with the exception of Jardine) since he's been in the UFC..
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The future of ALL MMA knockout highlights for the rest of his career ;)
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I think GSP does have a real chance with Andersen. GSP would be able to control the fight with his wrestling and potentially win with a decision or sub. I want to see this fight!
You're insane... Anderson has like a 6" reach advantage on GSP, is a bjj black belt and hits harder then GSP could ever dream of hitting... I love GSP but he just doesn't have the vicious knockout power that Silva effortlessly commands, if you're wondering what GSP vs. Silva would look like, look back to Franklin vs. Silva and you'll get a pretty good idea of the outcome. Many guys have said Anderson is one of the hardest if not the hardest hitting 185'er.
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You're insane... Anderson has like a 6" reach advantage on GSP, is a bjj black belt and hits harder then GSP could ever dream of hitting... I love GSP but he just doesn't have the vicious knockout power that Silva effortlessly commands, if you're wondering what GSP vs. Silva would look like, look back to Franklin vs. Silva and you'll get a pretty good idea of the outcome. Many guys have said Anderson is one of the hardest if not the hardest hitting 185'er.
If the two fought, I would favor Silva to win. But, it would not be as one-sided as you think.
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You're insane... Anderson has like a 6" reach advantage on GSP, is a bjj black belt and hits harder then GSP could ever dream of hitting... I love GSP but he just doesn't have the vicious knockout power that Silva effortlessly commands, if you're wondering what GSP vs. Silva would look like, look back to Franklin vs. Silva and you'll get a pretty good idea of the outcome. Many guys have said Anderson is one of the hardest if not the hardest hitting 185'er.
I used to think Anderson would demolish GSP, but I am not so sure anymore. Silva has not looked great in his last fights and GSP is getting better and better.
I think more than anything weight would be the biggest challenge for GSP. He walks around 180-185.
Either way great fight...but not so sure it will happen.
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I used to think Anderson would demolish GSP, but I am not so sure anymore. Silva has not looked great in his last fights and GSP is getting better and better.
I think more than anything weight would be the biggest challenge for GSP. He walks around 180-185.
Either way great fight...but not so sure it will happen.
Yeah, then he cuts weight to 170 and carbs back up to 187 the next day..but still, at the worst he'll smother Anderson on the ground with his wrestling, there's no way he's submitting or knocking Anderson out....so how does he win !?!? As far as Silva goes, I think he's just been bored his last few fights and was also retaliating for Dana not letting him box on the side, he said a year ago that he was gonna retire from MMA in a year or t wo anyways...