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A 48 year old Ray Mercer KOs one of the greatest UFC HW champs of all time in 9 secs....boxers rule. Peak tyson v peak fedor no holds barred? Tyson in 5 seconds,,,easy
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Royce Gracie beat a boxer in the very first UFC.
Although I am a HUGE fan of boxing your premise is very stupid.
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post the video of it jackass
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"boxing rules" NO SHIT, Ofc the boxer wins fucking retard haha.
Put him in a MMA match against fedor and he loses within 10 sec
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Its on youtube about 8000 times
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lol @ you thinking sylvia is one of the best HW of all times haha. Hes record is good because of his Size and nothing else.
can't believe how dumb some people are. Put a top fuel dragster and a f-1 car and have them race 100m and then call the dragster the best car in the world because it won ::) ::)
And Tim has been washed up for a few years.
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If top level boxers would easily knockout all the top MMA competition like you people claim ad naseum....Why don't more of them *gasp*....FIGHT IN MMA???
Do they prefer making paltry paychecks doing boxing rather than the hundreds of thousands of dollars they could make per match if that was the case??
P.S. - cause I know someone will say "Pacman and Mayweather make more money" doing PPVs...I'm not talking about those guys. ...I am talking about the guys right below them.
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A 48 year old Ray Mercer KOs one of the greatest UFC HW champs of all time in 9 secs....boxers rule. Peak tyson v peak fedor no holds barred? Tyson in 5 seconds,,,easy
one of the greatest hw champs?? who are you talking about???
using one fight as argument doesnt sound too much 'deep'... This for me just prooves 2 things: 1 - Sylvia is on a decline (and its not just because of this fight) and 2nd, for what i saw, this Mercer guy has a very heavy hand
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only thing that will kill MMA is the UFC.
let the UFC burn a fast death.
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one of the greatest hw champs?? who are you talking about???
using one fight as argument doesnt sound too much 'deep'... This for me just prooves 2 things: 1 - Sylvia is on a decline (and its not just because of this fight) and 2nd, for what i saw, this Mercer guy has a very heavy hand
You and I are most likely wasting our time.
These people won't listen to any sort of reason. They'd rather jerk off while thinking of some dude whose "peak" lasted 18 months and fought over 20 years ago. ::)
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A 48 year old Ray Mercer KOs one of the greatest UFC HW champs of all time in 9 secs....boxers rule. Peak tyson v peak fedor no holds barred? Tyson in 5 seconds,,,easy
that would be convincing if he didnt get destroyed by Kimbo.
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only thing that will kill MMA is Dana White
let the UFC burn a fast death.
fixed
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Bunch of haters on here. MMA is better and more exciting. Live with it.
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x2 ;D
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that would be convincing if he didnt get destroyed by Kimbo.
hazbin has spoken the correct.
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its kinda funny though when dana challenged sly stallones boxer guys( the contender) to fight his (tuf) mma guys in the octagon, stallon turned the offer down, stallone knew the deal. to be fair though stallones boxers would do better in a queensbury rules boxing match over danas tuf mma guys imo.
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This must have been moved to this board.. Hence why the jackals at the beggining are no longer on the thread... Mercer/Sylvia means absolutley nothing in the realm of fighting..... Here read this article cause I refuse to type on such a dumb topic!
Actually, let me continue with the Sylvia-Mercer thoughts. ESPN's MMA blogger, Jake Rossen, ran with the headline "Ray Mercer beats Tim Sylvia; boxing's death rattle delayed," and then called out boxing promoters with "inferiority complexes" about MMA, saying they'll be reveling in this. Here's the thing: Nobody gave a damn about the Sylvia-Mercer fight except MMA folks that were interested in what Sylvia was up to, and guys like me who are ridiculous weirdos. I really doubt Bob Arum had Mercer-Sylvia on his radar. This fight was a disaster. The fact that it resulted in something highly YouTubeable is meaningless. There are surely numbskulls out there that love boxing and hate MMA and think this mattered, but anyone rational couldn't really care less other than the outcome was memorable. Boxing isn't dead or dying, MMA still has room to grow, and neither Ray Mercer nor Tim Sylvia are likely to play vital roles in the future of either sport. Period. The idea that this fight "meant something" is melodramatic. It was a fat guy that didn't give a crap against an old guy that kinda did and can still throw a punch.
The only real take home lesson from this fight is that the universe's laws of biophysics are what we thought they were. No more, no less. Feel free to carry on.
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If top level boxers would easily knockout all the top MMA competition like you people claim ad naseum....Why don't more of them *gasp*....FIGHT IN MMA???
Do they prefer making paltry paychecks doing boxing rather than the hundreds of thousands of dollars they could make per match if that was the case??
P.S. - cause I know someone will say "Pacman and Mayweather make more money" doing PPVs...I'm not talking about those guys. ...I am talking about the guys right below them.
second tier boxers make more money than the top MMA fighters.
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Id rather fight Fedor or Lesnar on the street than Tyson or Roberto Duran anyday
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im right with you there brother
a broken arm is better than face reconstruction
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Bunch of haters on here. MMA is better and more exciting. Live with it.
Well yeh i mean you re the guy who claims he could beat world champion boxers with your "skills!"
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lets not forget most top boxers are just generaly hard people, the guy who more or less ran the city i come from couldnt get past european level before he took up his life of crime and he was untouchable hand to hand, couldnt fight a bullet , but thats another story....
the likes of tyson, duran, pacman etc etc etc,,, try and submit them when there biting chunks out your arm..
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Id rather fight Fedor or Lesnar on the street than Tyson or Roberto Duran anyday
What difference would it make? You'd be killed anyway.
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Well yeh i mean you re the guy who claims he could beat world champion boxers with your "skills!"
Really? Please show me where I made such claim?
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lets not forget most top boxers are just generaly hard people, the guy who more or less ran the city i come from couldnt get past european level before he took up his life of crime and he was untouchable hand to hand, couldnt fight a bullet , but thats another story....
the likes of tyson, duran, pacman etc etc etc,,, try and submit them when there biting chunks out your arm..
If there are no rules, MMA still wins. All boxers know how to do is box. A well rounded MMA guy understands boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Mui Thai and with guys like Machida, how to work angles and avoid damage. This is a stupid argument...
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second tier boxers make more money than the top MMA fighters.
I wasn't even saying second tier talent wise, but in their ability to draw money.
Trust me if Vladimir Klitchsko could come to MMA and knock-out Lesnar, Mir, and Congo in fast spectacular fashion like those G&O morons seem to think....he would make significantly more money than he is currently doing (not even HBO is picking up his fight this Saturday!!!)
This was my point.
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I thought that fight was canceled?? ... nvm, shame hbo isn't broadcasting it.
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klitschko's used to do kickboxing
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I wasn't even saying second tier talent wise, but in their ability to draw money.
Trust me if Vladimir Klitchsko could come to MMA and knock-out Lesnar, Mir, and Congo in fast spectacular fashion like those G&O morons seem to think....he would make significantly more money than he is currently doing (not even HBO is picking up his fight this Saturday!!!)
This was my point.
well your point is wrong.theres not an MMA fighter out there that makes over a million $ per fight.Klitchsko's average pay day per fight over his career is between 4-5 million per fight.do your research and you will see your logic is flawed.
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well your point is wrong.theres not an MMA fighter out there that makes over a million $ per fight.Klitchsko's average pay day per fight over his career is between 4-5 million per fight.do your research and you will see your logic is flawed.
Actually, you're wrong. Several fighters have exceeded $1 million when you factor in PPV $$. Arlovski got $1.5 against Fedor. Had he won, it would have been close to $2 million That said, top boxers are making more than the top MMA guys. But, that's slowly changing. Boxers are making less and less. MMA fighters are making more and more.
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A 48 year old Ray Mercer KOs one of the greatest UFC HW champs of all time in 9 secs....boxers rule. Peak tyson v peak fedor no holds barred? Tyson in 5 seconds,,,easy
stop exaggerating.... tim sliva one of the greatest???? Come on......... royce gracie schooled a boxer in UFC 1 and Kimbo whipped mercer.
I love both sports... but they are very different
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stop exaggerating.... tim sliva one of the greatest???? Come on......... royce gracie schooled a boxer in UFC 1 and Kimbo whipped mercer.
I love both sports... but they are very different
haha!
Yeah I remember that boxer came into the cage with only one glove on. :)
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Actually, you're wrong. Several fighters have exceeded $1 million when you factor in PPV $$. Arlovski got $1.5 against Fedor. Had he won, it would have been close to $2 million That said, top boxers are making more than the top MMA guys. But, that's slowly changing. Boxers are making less and less. MMA fighters are making more and more.
read my post Average payday per fight.yea Arvloski got 1.5 for that don't mean his average payday is over a million that is the rare exception.And is still chump change to a comperable boxer.the Tyson's,holyfields,de la hoya's have all made more in one fight than any MMA fighter has made in there intire career.that being said.....yea MMA fighter are starting to make a little more $.However I believe the fighters need to have a union or they will never actually make what there worth.And Dana & company will always be screwing over fighters.
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read my post Average payday per fight.yea Arvloski got 1.5 for that don't mean his average payday is over a million that is the rare exception.And is still chump change to a comperable boxer.the Tyson's,holyfields,de la hoya's have all made more in one fight than any MMA fighter has made in there intire career.that being said.....yea MMA fighter are starting to make a little more $.However I believe the fighters need to have a union or they will never actually make what there worth.And Dana & company will always be screwing over fighters.
You need to re-read my above post.
I am not talking about the Creme de la Creme PPV earners,which I made clear, and which you conveniently overlook.
The claim made when this thread was in the G&O was that any decent pro boxer would come into MMA and knockout everyone's asses within seconds. Ray Mercer was never even considered a top tier boxer and they used HIM as an example!!
If this were the case, you would see MANY more boxers coming to MMA for easy money, 20 second fights rather than 12 rounds of getting punched in the face hundreds of times.
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You need to re-read my above post.
I am not talking about the Creme de la Creme PPV earners,which I made clear, and which you conveniently overlook.
The claim made when this thread was in the G&O was that any decent pro boxer would come into MMA and knockout everyone's asses within seconds. Ray Mercer was never even considered a top tier boxer and they used HIM as an example!!
If this were the case, you would see MANY more boxers coming to MMA for easy money, 20 second fights rather than 12 rounds of getting punched in the face hundreds of times.
I didn't overlook your post.I referred to second tier fighters(Talent wise or Money draw wise).like I said try doing your homework and actually look up some paydays.an (AVERAGE) boxer brings in more $ then the Creme de la creme MMA fighter does.....and besides by your logic why can't it go the other way around and MMA guys go into boxing for some big paydays...I'll tell you why 99% of them would be KO'd within 3 Rd's.
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I didn't overlook your post.I referred to second tier fighters(Talent wise or Money draw wise).like I said try doing your homework and actually look up some paydays.an (AVERAGE) boxer brings in more $ then the Creme de la creme MMA fighter does.....and besides by your logic why can't it go the other way around and MMA guys go into boxing for some big paydays...I'll tell you why 99% of them would be KO'd within 3 Rd's.
Money is just is not in it in boxing like it was, except for a very select few. Mayweather had to back out of his fight with Marquez because the sales were slow(I believe the back injury claim is totall bullsh*t). If a boxer came in and was kayoing MMA fighters left and right like the G&O posters were saying they would make more money in MMA....except for maybe Manny Pacquiao and 7 or 8 other boxers who make a killing in boxing.
This is the best way I can sum it up. We can either agree, or agree to disagree....and probably the latter.
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I'll tell you why 99% of them would be KO'd within 3 Rd's.
Agreed, btw.... :)
Boxing > MMA, IMO.
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Why argue this point?
Boxing is still great it just doesn't have a good HW division kinda like the UFC's heavyweights.
A true fight fan could appreciate both.
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If there are no rules, MMA still wins. All boxers know how to do is box. A well rounded MMA guy understands boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Mui Thai and with guys like Machida, how to work angles and avoid damage. This is a stupid argument...
A nicely executed Osoto Gari, or Uchimata on the street would be deadly. Getting doubled by Brock and driven through the concrete aint fun either. Take the skillset of an elite MMA fighter, put them in a street fighting scenario and you have bad news for the opposition. Being in a dominant position raining down strikes where your head has no where to go.......
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If there are no rules, MMA still wins. All boxers know how to do is box. A well rounded MMA guy understands boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Mui Thai and with guys like Machida, how to work angles and avoid damage. This is a stupid argument...
no its not, and tell that to the guys tyson knocked out in prison... your missing my point, the guys ive mentioned, arent boxers, there fighters and there is a difference....
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no its not, and tell that to the guys tyson knocked out in prison... your missing my point, the guys ive mentioned, arent boxers, there fighters and there is a difference....
This topic always brings in Tyson and in my opinion a guy like Lennox Lewis would be much more deadly with his heights, size, and pure technique. Boxers are great but a Muay Thai guy vs. a boxer, my money is on the guy who uses elbows, knees, fists, feet, hands, headbutts,etc! Boxing you bunch mitts, other guys, and bags. Muah Thai you kick trees, Tree vs Bag, I take guy who breaks tree!
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Actually, you're wrong. Several fighters have exceeded $1 million when you factor in PPV $$. Arlovski got $1.5 against Fedor. Had he won, it would have been close to $2 million That said, top boxers are making more than the top MMA guys. But, that's slowly changing. Boxers are making less and less. MMA fighters are making more and more.
boxers Getting paid 10-20 million per fight thats a huge gap for mma to make up still quite a ways off!!!
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boxers Getting paid 10-20 million per fight thats a huge gap for mma to make up still quite a ways off!!!
not many boxers earn more than 5 million a match.
The boxer who is boxing mayweather in sept (mayweather "injured") gets less than 5 million from what i read....
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boxers Getting paid 10-20 million per fight thats a huge gap for mma to make up still quite a ways off!!!
to say "boxers" is totally misleading!!!
You are talking about an EXTREMELY small group of people....and those aren't necessarily even the most talented boxers.
Take de la Hoya for example; the dudes been washed up for years yet he could always get big PPV draws because of his popularity.
Meanwhile a guy like Paul Williams would destroy Oscar and only can only make a fraction of the money fighting someone else.
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SInce you guys mention about silva losing to mercer meaning a thing, have a look at this clip. An LIGHTWEIGHT MMA champ vs a SUPERHEAVY WEIGHT boxing champ....
In mma, the fighters must worry about take downs, kicks, elbows, knees, punches, subs etc. Their stance and defences will surely not be as "SWEET SCIENCE LIKE" compared to boxers as they worry more than just the body and the head.
Boxing is part of MMA. And yes, one punch can end a fight, boxing or MMA. But there are the take downs, knees, subs, ground and pound.. etc. which is major in any fight.
By the way, do you know how much heavier butterbean is than Geki????
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SInce you guys mention about silva losing to mercer meaning a thing, have a look at this clip. An LIGHTWEIGHT MMA champ vs a SUPERHEAVY WEIGHT boxing champ....
In mma, the fighters must worry about take downs, kicks, elbows, knees, punches, subs etc. Their stance and defences will surely not be as "SWEET SCIENCE LIKE" compared to boxers as they worry more than just the body and the head.
Boxing is part of MMA. And yes, one punch can end a fight, boxing or MMA. But there are the take downs, knees, subs, ground and pound.. etc. which is major in any fight.
By the way, do you know how much heavier butterbean is than Geki????
Yeah. Butterbean getting owned does not help this argument one way or the other.
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1.mma fighters will never ever ever make anything close to boxing. unless you see lots of black mma fighters like there is alot of black and mexican boxers. this is fact
2. in a street fight it depends who you make the fight between. put any heavyweight mma fighter against tyson or george foreman and they would get not only mauled but they will need face reconstruction.
i am a fighting fan first i dont care about what martial arts you do but when it comes down to it who do you honestly think is going to win a liddell or randy or foreman or tyson.
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1.mma fighters will never ever ever make anything close to boxing.
it's not black and white like that, dumbass
There's a lot of MMA fighters who earn more per fight than boxers.
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not many boxers earn more than 5 million a match.
The boxer who is boxing mayweather in sept (mayweather "injured") gets less than 5 million from what i read....
my point! Still quite a bit more than the top mma guy!
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this thread is still around ???
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MMA vs boxing... never gets stale....... this topic is dicussed to death in boxing forums
They discuss every single thing there is between these two sports, winning a fight, money (boxing wins) etc...... up to the type of Fans the sport has. Hardcore Boxing Fans always say that MMA fans are all rednecks wearing tapouts... blah blah blah
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it's not black and white like that, dumbass
There's a lot of MMA fighters who earn more per fight than boxers.
yes it is black and white dumbass if chucky, tito or randy couldnt make 20 million a fight and they are the most famous ufc fighters ever than no one can or could
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yes it is black and white dumbass if chucky, tito or randy couldnt make 20 million a fight and they are the most famous ufc fighters ever than no one can or could
no it isn't and how many boxers currently make 20 million a fight? Do you realize how foolish you sound?
Chuck, Tito and Randy make more money than thousands of boxers around the world.
The best boxers do make more money but the top MMA guys are starting to make solid cash.
Maybe not big time football, basketball, baseball, or Elite Boxing PPV money but those contracts are just ridiculous anyways.
I clearly stated that very elite PPV Boxing earners make WAY more than Top MMA earners; perhaps you should go back and re-read my posts before coming in here and throwing around all these insults?
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define solid cash? because to me solid cash is 5 mill plus in one fight not 3 fights a year
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A 48 year old Ray Mercer KOs one of the greatest UFC HW champs of all time in 9 secs....boxers rule. Peak tyson v peak fedor no holds barred? Tyson in 5 seconds,,,easy
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I suppose Tysons a wimp compared to Rccs
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The interesting thing about MMA is Fedor is considered the badest Mma fighter on the planet yet a guy with just a few fights under his belt in Lesner has a better the average chance of actually beating him...Nowhere in the boxing world could that ever happen to the elite fighters...Its the reason I believe that MMA fighters will never be able to see purses like boxing's top...
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1.mma fighters will never ever ever make anything close to boxing. unless you see lots of black mma fighters like there is alot of black and mexican boxers. this is fact
2. in a street fight it depends who you make the fight between. put any heavyweight mma fighter against tyson or george foreman and they would get not only mauled but they will need face reconstruction.
i am a fighting fan first i dont care about what martial arts you do but when it comes down to it who do you honestly think is going to win a liddell or randy or foreman or tyson.
Fedor would give no chance to Tyson in a street fight... Tyson would end with both arms broken... face it... boxing is extremely limited comparing to mma.