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What's the debate??
Drunken breast-feeding arrest touches off debate
By JAMES MacPHERSON – 3 days ago
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BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — Police responding to a domestic disturbance arrived at Stacey Anvarinia's home to find the mother breast-feeding her 6-week-old baby in front of them. And she was drunk, they said.
Officers arrested the woman, who later pleaded guilty to child neglect and faces up to five years in prison. Now her case has touched off a debate among moms about breast-feeding, alcohol — and privacy.
Since Anvarinia's arrest, blogs have been abuzz with comments questioning whether breast-feeding mothers could risk criminal charges if they drink even modest amounts. Authorities insist police were right to make the arrest, even if the mother had not been breast-feeding, out of concern for the child's welfare.
"Since when is breast-feeding while drunk a crime?" said Dr. Amy Tuteur, a retired obstetrician and gynecologist in Boston who has been following the case on her Web site, the Skeptical OB.
If the 26-year-old woman had been bottle-feeding her baby, "no one would have bothered to check what was in the bottle," Tuteur said. "You can do a lot more damage by mixing formula wrong."
Medical research on alcohol and breast-feeding is murky, mainly because the issue is difficult to study. Researchers cannot ethically conduct controlled research on intoxicated women who breast-feed. So doctors rely on anecdotal evidence.
The breast-feeding advocacy group La Leche League International advises women to nurse their children only when "completely sober."
In published advice to mothers, the group says: "Drinking to the point of intoxication, or binge drinking, by breast-feeding mothers has not been adequately studied. Since all of the risks are not understood, drinking to the point of intoxication is not advised."
The American Academy of Pediatrics says excessive alcohol consumption by a breast-feeding mother can lead to drowsiness, deep sleep, weakness and abnormal weight gain in an infant.
Dr. Lori Feldman-Winter, who helps oversee breast-feeding policy for the American Academy of Pediatrics, said the group considers limited alcohol consumption compatible with breast-feeding.
"A mother who becomes intoxicated should not breast-feed," said Winter, who also heads the division of adolescent medicine at Cooper University Hospital in Camden, N.J. "After drinking one glass of wine, a woman should abstain from breast-feeding for two to three hours."
La Leche, which knew of no similar cases to Anvarinia's, says the effect on a baby is directly related to how much the mother drinks.
In general, "Feed the baby first, and then wait until it leaves your bloodstream," McCallister said.
The group says it takes up to three hours for one serving of beer or wine to be eliminated from the body of a 120-pound woman.
Melissa Peat, a mother of three in Topeka, Kan., said she has had an "occasional beer or glass of wine" while breast-feeding. Peat said the topic of alcohol and breast milk comes up in conversations with other mothers.
"The conventional wisdom among breast-feeding mothers is that alcohol, coffee, spicy food — everything in moderation is acceptable for the breast-feeding mom," said Peat, 32, a former high school math and science teacher who now is a stay-at-home mom.
Arrests involving intoxicated breast-feeding mothers have been difficult to prosecute.
The city of Bethel, Alaska, paid two women $2,500 apiece in 1992 to settle a lawsuit they filed over their arrest on charges of endangering their children by drinking alcohol before breast-feeding. The women had been charged with misdemeanor reckless endangerment in 1990, but prosecutors later dropped the charges, saying no crime had been committed.
It's unclear how much Anavarina had to drink. Police never conducted a blood-alcohol test. Investigators believed she was drunk, and her arrest on a charge of child abuse and neglect did not require a test.
"The majority of our problems are caused by alcohol," said Grand Forks Police Capt. Kerwin Kjelstrom. "Our officers handle it so much that it is pretty much a general knowledge thing to know when someone is intoxicated. It's pretty obvious."
When police came to the home on April 13, Anvarinia, who had a criminal record, told them that she had been assaulted by her boyfriend. A police report said she had swelling on her nose and chin and a small scratch on her left cheek.
The boyfriend was not home and has not been charged, and authorities have not said who has custody of the child. Anvarinia's court-appointed attorney, David Ogren, did not return repeated telephone calls.
Authorities insist the woman's decision to breast-feed was not the only factor in her arrest.
"This case is more than just the breast-feeding. It was the totality of the circumstances," said Grand Forks Police Lt. Rahn Farder. "It is quite unusual for a mother to be breast-feeding her child as we are conducting an investigation, whether she was intoxicated or not."
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It's wrong what she's doing... but. FIVE YEARS IN PRISON FOR IT?
I mean, you can steal a car, enjoy a police chase, and wrap it around a telephone pole and still get less than 5 years in prison.
She sounds like a piece of work, garbage mom all the way, certainly needs a nice boot in the ass. But missing 1/3 of her child's life? If a mom has 1 glass of wine and breast feeds, does she deserve 1,825 days in prison?
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Alcholol passes into the breast milk. You can have 1 drink after breastfeeding but not before. You cannot be drunk while breastfeeding. It needs time to dissipate from the system. Being drunk while breastfeeding is the same as giving a baby alcohol. Not cool. I call that clear child abuse if she was drunk.
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It's wrong what she's doing... but. FIVE YEARS IN PRISON FOR IT?
I mean, you can steal a car, enjoy a police chase, and wrap it around a telephone pole and still get less than 5 years in prison.
She sounds like a piece of work, garbage mom all the way, certainly needs a nice boot in the ass. But missing 1/3 of her child's life? If a mom has 1 glass of wine and breast feeds, does she deserve 1,825 days in prison?
yea, this is what's wrong with our justice system, they can't tell the difference between a hard criminal who commits a violent offense and a person who needs help. The only thing this lady needs is help. put her on probation at the most, madate some rehab if she's an alcoholic. Taking her away from the baby is just making matters worse for all involved.
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yea, this is what's wrong with our justice system, they can't tell the difference between a hard criminal who commits a violent offense and a person who needs help. The only thing this lady needs is help. put her on probation at the most, madate some rehab if she's an alcoholic. Taking her away from the baby is just making matters worse for all involved.
personally, if my wife was wasted, feeding my kid... she'd be the one calling the police form the ass-kicking I'd be handing out :)
Definitely child abuse... but 5 YEARS in prison? They should have VERY clear laws for blood alcohol content for breast-feeding on the books. Just for times like this, with this idiot.
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Breast feeding while drunk is no different than putting liquor in a baby's bottle. She deserves 5 years behind bars.
They might even consider making her sterile.
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Breast feeding while drunk is no different than putting liquor in a baby's bottle. She deserves 5 years behind bars.
They might even consider making her sterile.
So what level of alcohol consumption should be the cutoff? .8, as with DUI?
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Breast feeding while drunk is no different than putting liquor in a baby's bottle. She deserves 5 years behind bars.
They might even consider making her sterile.
Exactly. Separating a "mother" from her child in this instance isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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So what level of alcohol consumption should be the cutoff? .8, as with DUI?
Probably a lot less, because we are talking about a baby here not an adult.
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Probably a lot less, because we are talking about a baby here not an adult.
I'm with you. I just wonder where 1 glass = fine, 2 glass = 5 years in prison.
Don't get me wrong, I'd kick this POS down a flight of steps if I caught her breast-feeding buzzed. Just curious what the cutoff would be.
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Cut off? For what? How much alcohol can you put in a baby's bottle?
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personally, if my wife was wasted, feeding my kid... she'd be the one calling the police form the ass-kicking I'd be handing out :)
Definitely child abuse... but 5 YEARS in prison? They should have VERY clear laws for blood alcohol content for breast-feeding on the books. Just for times like this, with this idiot.
I can't even go with that hypothetical :D My wife drinks 1/3 to half a beer and calls it quits lol... She likes the taste so I buy her a six pack but she's can't drink much... Only problem, I end up drinking my beer then the rest of her beer and she only gets a taste out the beer she picked ;D You can drink while breastfeeding. I actually did quite a bit of research on it a few months back just because I was researching the hell out of everything to do with having a kid. Being drunk, no, they just advise no more than one drink after you're done breastfeeding then it's out of your system by the next time you have to feed next. This woman in the story just needs help, not prison.
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Exactly. Separating a "mother" from her child in this instance isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I agree. You have to be a permanently stupid person to do something like that. This is not about the mother's rights. It's about the baby's rights.
If this lady couldn't figure out that its very bad to breast feed drunk, than she's certainly an unfit mother.
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Cut off? For what? How much alcohol can you put in a baby's bottle?
none. You can't give a baby alcohol.
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I'm with you. I just wonder where 1 glass = fine, 2 glass = 5 years in prison.
Don't get me wrong, I'd kick this POS down a flight of steps if I caught her breast-feeding buzzed. Just curious what the cutoff would be.
I donno, what would feeding 1 glass of wine to a baby be like? A mother with any sense, wouldn't drink anything that could potentially harm the development of their baby's brain.
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Breast feeding while drunk is no different than putting liquor in a baby's bottle. She deserves 5 years behind bars.
They might even consider making her sterile.
I think help would be better, with probation.
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I donno, what would feeding 1 glass of wine to a baby be like? A mother with any sense, wouldn't drink anything that could potentially harm the development of their baby's brain.
For the mother to do that, she would have to have had something like 10 glasses of wine or maybe more. That's like over 2 bottles. A glass of wine for a baby could be deadly.
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I think help would be better, with probation.
Perhaps you are right. I donno. But anyone who would get drunk and breast feed is mentally unfit to parent.
For the mother to do that, she would have to have had something like 10 glasses of wine or maybe more. That's like over 2 bottles. A glass of wine for a baby could be deadly.
Any amount of alcohol to a developing brain can be dangerous.
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I donno, what would feeding 1 glass of wine to a baby be like? A mother with any sense, wouldn't drink anything that could potentially harm the development of their baby's brain.
I agree there should be zero.
My Q is... do you guys advocate a zero-tolerance law? One sip = 5 years in prison?
It not, then what should the cutoff be? .2 BAC? .4?
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none. You can't give a baby alcohol.
Right. No difference between alcohol in a bottle and alcohol in breast milk.
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And if you have a zero-tolerance policy... what kind of timing to use?
If a woman has a beer at 12 noon and breast feeds at 7 pm... does she get 5 years in prison?
If not, what kind of clock do you use? 6 hours? 5? 2?
it's easy to say idiots who drink belong in jail. it's tougher to assign numbers/rubric to it.
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I agree there should be zero.
My Q is... do you guys advocate a zero-tolerance law? One sip = 5 years in prison?
It not, then what should the cutoff be? .2 BAC? .4?
I don't know in this case. Initially, outrage fuels my opinion. I am a big advocate of the 3 strikes law.
Thinking about it, this lady deliberately got her self drunk and then breast fed. So, in my mind, she should get serious time. However, we also should think about the child.
Is the child better off with or without her? Can she rehabilitate? If so, how long would it take?
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Initially, outrage fuels my opinion.
Hi, Obama Voter.
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Hi, Obama Voter.
Ha Ha. Bush voter.
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This ain't rocket science. Don't drink while breast feeding. Hard to enforce because much of may take place in the home, but it's also difficult to enforce laws prohibiting putting alcohol in a baby's bottle when it's done at home too.
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Perhaps you are right. I donno. But anyone who would get drunk and breast feed is mentally unfit to parent.
Any amount of alcohol to a developing brain can be dangerous.
To me unfit to be a parent is in need of help, not prison. Save prison for the violent shit. We don't know what this lady was going through. Best option is to try to set her on the right path and 5 years behind bars won't do any of that. So she gets out in 5 years and if she gets custody of her kid back, she'll probably be even worse.
I know, any alcohol for a baby is bad. I was just commenting on your glass of wine for a baby comment with perspective of how much she would have to drink to do that. I wasn't implying anything.
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And if you have a zero-tolerance policy... what kind of timing to use?
If a woman has a beer at 12 noon and breast feeds at 7 pm... does she get 5 years in prison?
If not, what kind of clock do you use? 6 hours? 5? 2?
it's easy to say idiots who drink belong in jail. it's tougher to assign numbers/rubric to it.
no, you should be able to have one drink after breastfeeding but not before. There are websites online with doctor comments on this.
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This ain't rocket science. Don't drink while breast feeding. Hard to enforce because much of may take place in the home, but it's also difficult to enforce laws prohibiting putting alcohol in a baby's bottle when it's done at home too.
But when you do catch them, as in this case, how do you charge them? What numbers?
if it was illegal and people knew about it, a lot more pissed off dads would call it in, I'm sure.
personally, i'd propose an escalating rate.
BAC of .1, you can't do anything but call Children's services for an inspection.
BAC of .2, you can arrest and get probation and counseling.
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. etc, etc
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BAC of .1 or more, you go to federal, pound-me-in-the-can prison.
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To me unfit to be a parent is in need of help, not prison. Save prison for the violent shit. We don't know what this lady was going through. Best option is to try to set her on the right path and 5 years behind bars won't do any of that. So she gets out in 5 years and if she gets custody of her kid back, she'll probably be even worse.
I know, any alcohol for a baby is bad. I was just commenting on your glass of wine for a baby comment with perspective of how much she would have to drink to do that. I wasn't implying anything.
I pretty much see what you are saying but the thing is, this degree of being "unfit" involves deliberately putting the child's life in danger and borders on assault/poison/attempted murder.
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But when you do catch them, as in this case, how do you charge them? What numbers?
if it was illegal and people knew about it, a lot more pissed off dads would call it in, I'm sure.
personally, i'd propose an escalating rate.
BAC of .1, you can't do anything but call Children's services for an inspection.
BAC of .2, you can arrest and get probation and counseling.
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. etc, etc
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BAC of .1 or more, you go to federal, pound-me-in-the-can prison.
I wonder how drunk she was.
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But when you do catch them, as in this case, how do you charge them? What numbers?
if it was illegal and people knew about it, a lot more pissed off dads would call it in, I'm sure.
personally, i'd propose an escalating rate.
BAC of .1, you can't do anything but call Children's services for an inspection.
BAC of .2, you can arrest and get probation and counseling.
.
. etc, etc
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BAC of .1 or more, you go to federal, pound-me-in-the-can prison.
Fuck man, next they'll have the baby police to come around and check breastmilk.... We'll need a new federal enforcement agency... no no no thanks... This lady got busted, set her on the right path, make her realise her mistake and move on. We don't need new laws over it.
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Fuck man, next they'll have the baby police to come around and check breastmilk.... We'll need a new federal enforcement agency... no no no thanks... This lady got busted, set her on the right path, make her realise her mistake and move on. We don't need new laws over it.
Sounds like a pork barrel project.
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I pretty much see what you are saying but the thing is, this degree of being "unfit" involves deliberately putting the child's life in danger and borders on assault/poison/attempted murder.
yea but unfit? Take a look around the country... That's a good portion of it. Unfit parents everywhere. I can't believe some of the shit I've seen. Best course of action is to set the mother on the right path and if you think prison is that, you're out of your mind.
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Fuck man, next they'll have the baby police to come around and check breastmilk.... We'll need a new federal enforcement agency... no no no thanks... This lady got busted, set her on the right path, make her realise her mistake and move on. We don't need new laws over it.
I'm just saying, those cops just said "she's drunk" and she's looking at 5 years.
She might have had one beer and just been ain immature idiot. or she may have been on beer #12. We don't know, because no BAC was taken.
I like the idea of taking officer judgment out of the situation, and leaving it to numbers, which don't change if the cop has a bad day or is on a power trip.
They should have numbers on file for this. I'm surprised it hasn't come up before, with all the domestic disturbance calls in my old trailer park :)
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But when you do catch them, as in this case, how do you charge them? What numbers?
if it was illegal and people knew about it, a lot more pissed off dads would call it in, I'm sure.
personally, i'd propose an escalating rate.
BAC of .1, you can't do anything but call Children's services for an inspection.
BAC of .2, you can arrest and get probation and counseling.
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. etc, etc
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BAC of .1 or more, you go to federal, pound-me-in-the-can prison.
Any amount period. The penalty should the same penalty anyone would get for putting any amount of alcohol in a baby's bottle. It's not that complicated. No one is advocating house to house searches, but if the police encounter someone like this idiot, arrest and charge them.
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yea but unfit? Take a look around the country... That's a good portion of it. Unfit parents everywhere. I can't believe some of the shit I've seen. Best course of action is to set the mother on the right path and if you think prison is that, you're out of your mind.
Well, see, I'm not really too concerned about the mother. I more concerned about the baby. The only reason she shouldn't go to prison is because of the possibility she can get on the right path and benefit the child. The problem is, what she did is near assault or attempted murder depending on how much she drank.
And it is sad. There are may unfit parents everywhere. But not every unfit parent is breast feeding drunk and harming there child like that.
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I'm just saying, those cops just said "she's drunk" and she's looking at 5 years.
She might have had one beer and just been ain immature idiot. or she may have been on beer #12. We don't know, because no BAC was taken.
I like the idea of taking officer judgment out of the situation, and leaving it to numbers, which don't change if the cop has a bad day or is on a power trip.
They should have numbers on file for this. I'm surprised it hasn't come up before, with all the domestic disturbance calls in my old trailer park :)
yea, I agree,
Cops word isn't worth much IMO. They look down on people so much, they always assume the worst. She might have just mouthed off and he called her drunk and made a federal case out of it. I don't doubt that possibility for a second. But if she was drunk, she needs help in this case, not any prison time.
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Any amount period. The penalty should the same penalty anyone would get for putting any amount of alcohol in a baby's bottle. It's not that complicated. No one is advocating house to house searches, but if the police encounter someone like this idiot, arrest and charge them.
okay. So one sip of champagne at a New years eve party, followed by 2 hours of sleep then breast-feeding at 2 am, then having an angry ex call it in...
That woman should lose her kid, house, career, and freedom for 5 years?
Of course not. This is why BAC levels would solve the problem. 1 sip of champagne isn't the same as 10 tequila shots, but your suggestion is that we treat them the same way.
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If they don't know how drunk she was then she'll not get 5 years that's for sure.
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Well, see, I'm not really too concerned about the mother. I more concerned about the baby. The only reason she shouldn't go to prison is because of the possibility she can get on the right path and benefit the child. The problem is, what she did is near assault or attempted murder depending on how much she drank.
And it is sad. There are may unfit parents everywhere. But not every unfit parent is breast feeding drunk and harming there child like that.
That's what I was thinking the whole time with what I was saying. I see the mother and baby's general welfare as somewhat connected. A mother on the right path is a baby on the right path. That goes without saying, or should. So we have two choices... Send her away for her mistake=shit for the baby. Get her help=better chance for the baby.
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okay. So one sip of champagne at a New years eve party, followed by 2 hours of sleep then breast-feeding at 2 am, then having an angry ex call it in...
That woman should lose her kid, house, career, and freedom for 5 years?
Of course not. This is why BAC levels would solve the problem. 1 sip of champagne isn't the same as 10 tequila shots, but your suggestion is that we treat them the same way.
I don't care about that bleeding heart crap. We're talking about the healthy and safety of a newborn baby. And yes, if a "mother" is reckless enough to drink while breastfeeding she should suffer whatever consequences the law calls for.
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If they don't know how drunk she was then she'll not get 5 years that's for sure.
yea, this is all hypothetical.
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I don't care about that bleeding heart crap. We're talking about the healthy and safety of a newborn baby. And yes, if a "mother" is reckless enough to drink while breastfeeding she should suffer whatever consequences the law calls for.
The point here is that the law is very vague and there is no rubric for assigning punishment.
Some a-hole cop saying "yeah, she's drunk" means this woman loses 5 years with her child?
or, Some completely smashed woman gets off because nobody has any clue how drunk she was.
I like accountability and fairness. Having a BAC list would mean any tiem there is suspicion, the cop can make the woman take a breathalizer and know for sure. Any time you give some high school grad policeman who hates his job (or worse, hates people of another race) the power to take a parent from her child for 1825 days on his word alone - THAT is scary.
Use numbers. They don't lie. If she's wasted, she's losing that kid. if she's had 2 sips and is just being an idiot, she won't. Some cop with an axe to grind shouldn't be the sole determiner.
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yea, this is all hypothetical.
I think you are right. Unless circumstances show otherwise, she doesn't deserve 5 years in prison. But, 5-10 years probation, counseling, CPS visits etc... Yes.
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I don't care about that bleeding heart crap. We're talking about the healthy and safety of a newborn baby. And yes, if a "mother" is reckless enough to drink while breastfeeding she should suffer whatever consequences the law calls for.
"If you choose to drink alcohol, drink it just after you nurse rather than just before."--American Academy of Pediatricians
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The point here is that the law is very vague and there is no rubric for assigning punishment.
Some a-hole cop saying "yeah, she's drunk" means this woman loses 5 years with her child?
or, Some completely smashed woman gets off because nobody has any clue how drunk she was.
I like accountability and fairness. Having a BAC list would mean any tiem there is suspicion, the cop can make the woman take a breathalizer and know for sure. Any time you give some high school grad policeman who hates his job (or worse, hates people of another race) the power to take a parent from her child for 1825 days on his word alone - THAT is scary.
Use numbers. They don't lie. If she's wasted, she's losing that kid. if she's had 2 sips and is just being an idiot, she won't. Some cop with an axe to grind shouldn't be the sole determiner.
What law is "very vague"? I didn't see the text of any law in the story, unless I overlooked it (which is possible).
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"If you choose to drink alcohol, drink it just after you nurse rather than just before."--American Academy of Pediatricians
Mothers shouldn't drink at all while breastfeeding IMO.
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What law is "very vague"? I didn't see the text of any law in the story, unless I overlooked it (which is possible).
The child neglect statute (or whatever the charge) in which she's facing 5 years.
We have the cop's word she was drunk. that's it. To me, that's not enough, because police do lie from time to time. I'd much prefer the cop's word AND a blood alcohol test from the scene before sending that moron to prison.
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Mothers shouldn't drink at all while breastfeeding IMO.
I think we all agree there. My wife cut out all meds, any alcohol, etc from the moment we started trying, until the month after breastfeeding ended. I don't think she even used hot sauce or other things that would upset the rugrat. We seem to all be good parents here, and I think we'd all shove that **** into a wall if we witnessed that shit happening.
I'm talking about police accountability and ability of some guy with a badge to end a family for 5 years. Ya need better (with detailed rubric) laws in place to protect the babies and prevent abuse by LEO.
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The child neglect statute (or whatever the charge) in which she's facing 5 years.
We have the cop's word she was drunk. that's it. To me, that's not enough, because police do lie from time to time. I'd much prefer the cop's word AND a blood alcohol test from the scene before sending that moron to prison.
Kind of hard to call it vague when you haven't actually read it, no?
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Mothers shouldn't drink at all while breastfeeding IMO.
by most sources one drink shortly after breastfeeding is not a problem. I'm not about to get upset over a mother who has one drink with dinner and doesn't breastfeed for 2 to 4 more hours. One drink is a whole different category than getting drunk.
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by most sources one drink shortly after breastfeeding is not a problem. I'm not about to get upset over a mother who has one drink with dinner and doesn't breastfeed for 2 to 4 more hours. One drink is a whole different category than getting drunk.
I doubt it's not a problem, but that's not what's at issue here anyway. This woman was drunk.
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I doubt it's not a problem, but that's not what's at issue here anyway. This woman was drunk.
what do you mean, you don't believe alcohol dissipates from the system? Or that one drink is a person with a problem? So you would say the Academy of Pediatricians is full of shit and should have just said no drinks at all?
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what do you mean, you don't believe alcohol dissipates from the system? Or that one drink is a person with a problem? So you would say the Academy of Pediatricians is full of shit and should have just said no drinks at all?
I believe alcohol use by a breastfeeding mother is harmful to the baby, whether she drinks before or after.
Did you post something by the "Academy of Pediatricians" that said alcohol use after breastfeeding is "not a problem"?
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I believe alcohol use by a breastfeeding mother is harmful to the baby, whether she drinks before or after.
Did you post something by the "Academy of Pediatricians" that said alcohol use after breastfeeding is "not a problem"?
They basically said it should be avoided but if you do it, do it after you breastfeed. The concensus between sources is that if you're a heavy drinker you should abstain from breastfeeding. other than that, no more than two drinks a day. So I really see no issue with a mother that has one drink after breastfeeding. By the time she is nursing again there shouldn't be any measurable amount of alcohol in her milk. If it's a concern whatsoever, the mother could go one feeding with milk that was pumped prior to drinking. One drink won't hurt anything imo. Getting drunk is a major problem.
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They basically said it should be avoided but if you do it, do it after you breastfeed. The concensus between sources is that if you're a heavy drinker you should abstain from breastfeeding. other than that, no more than two drinks a day. So I really see no issue with a mother that has one drink after breastfeeding. By the time she is nursing again there shouldn't be any measurable amount of alcohol in her milk. If it's a concern whatsoever, the mother could go one feeding with milk that was pumped prior to drinking. One drink won't hurt anything imo. Getting drunk is a major problem.
Well if they recommend that it be avoided then I wouldn't call it harmless. But drinks after breastfeeding are a matter of opinion. Each mother has to make decisions she is comfortable with.
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Well if they recommend that it be avoided then I wouldn't call it harmless. But drinks after breastfeeding are a matter of opinion. Each mother has to make decisions she is comfortable with.
Guidelines
Current research says that occasional use of alcohol (1-2 drinks) is not harmful to the nursing baby. The American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Drugs classifies alcohol (ethanol) as a “Maternal Medication Usually Compatible With Breastfeeding.”
Many experts recommend against drinking more than 1-2 drinks per week.
It is recommended that nursing moms avoid breastfeeding during and for 2-3 hours after drinking (Hale 2002).
There is no need to pump & dump milk after drinking alcohol, other than for mom's comfort -- pumping & dumping does not speed the elimination of alcohol from the milk.
Alcohol does not increase milk production, and has been shown to inhibit let-down and decrease milk production (see below).
If you're away from your baby, try to pump as often as baby usually nurses (this is to maintain milk supply, not because of the alcohol). At the very least, pump or hand express whenever you feel uncomfortably full - this will help you to avoid plugged ducts and mastitis.
In general, if you are sober enough to drive, you are sober enough to breastfeed. Less than 2% of the alcohol consumed by the mother reaches her blood and milk. Alcohol peaks in mom's blood and milk approximately 1/2-1 hour after drinking (but there is considerable variation from person to person, depending upon how much food was eaten in the same time period, mom's body weight and percentage of body fat, etc.). Alcohol does not accumulate in breastmilk, but leaves the milk as it leaves the blood; so when your blood alcohol levels are back down, so are your milk alcohol levels.
Always keep in mind the baby's age when considering the effect of alcohol. A newborn has a very immature liver, so minute amounts of alcohol would be more of a burden. Up until around 3 months of age, infants detoxify alcohol at around half the rate of an adult. An older baby or toddler can metabolize the alcohol more quickly.
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Guidelines
Current research says that occasional use of alcohol (1-2 drinks) is not harmful to the nursing baby. The American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Drugs classifies alcohol (ethanol) as a “Maternal Medication Usually Compatible With Breastfeeding.”
Many experts recommend against drinking more than 1-2 drinks per week.
It is recommended that nursing moms avoid breastfeeding during and for 2-3 hours after drinking (Hale 2002).
There is no need to pump & dump milk after drinking alcohol, other than for mom's comfort -- pumping & dumping does not speed the elimination of alcohol from the milk.
Alcohol does not increase milk production, and has been shown to inhibit let-down and decrease milk production (see below).
If you're away from your baby, try to pump as often as baby usually nurses (this is to maintain milk supply, not because of the alcohol). At the very least, pump or hand express whenever you feel uncomfortably full - this will help you to avoid plugged ducts and mastitis.
In general, if you are sober enough to drive, you are sober enough to breastfeed. Less than 2% of the alcohol consumed by the mother reaches her blood and milk. Alcohol peaks in mom's blood and milk approximately 1/2-1 hour after drinking (but there is considerable variation from person to person, depending upon how much food was eaten in the same time period, mom's body weight and percentage of body fat, etc.). Alcohol does not accumulate in breastmilk, but leaves the milk as it leaves the blood; so when your blood alcohol levels are back down, so are your milk alcohol levels.
Always keep in mind the baby's age when considering the effect of alcohol. A newborn has a very immature liver, so minute amounts of alcohol would be more of a burden. Up until around 3 months of age, infants detoxify alcohol at around half the rate of an adult. An older baby or toddler can metabolize the alcohol more quickly.
What are the effects of drinking alcohol while breastfeeding?
Many experts have concluded that breastfeeding is the best method of feeding infants at least until the age of six months old. While alcohol consumption is a common social custom all over the world, research studies have concluded that alcohol consumption during pregnancy can increase the chances of severe and avoidable risks to the unborn child, including increased risks of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Here’s a quick overview about the possible effects of alcohol consumption while breastfeeding.
The risks of alcohol consumption while breastfeeding your child is not truly defined at the present time. Different experts have come to some differing conclusions as to the effects of alcohol consumption on a breastfed baby. Some advise it is safe to drink alcohol in moderation, although there is no "safe" limit currently set.
Recent research has suggested that the occasional consumption of alcohol may not be harmful to a breast fed baby, as long as it is only one or two drinks. Other studies suggest if the mother is sober enough to drive, she is safe to feed her baby.
Research studies have suggested that the occasional drinking of alcohol by a breastfeeding mother is not deemed to be harmful to the breastfed baby. However, it is recommended by this research, that only one or two drinks per week be consumed. Experts also conclude, that if a mother avoids breast feeding her baby for two to three hours following her consumption of alcohol, there is no need to pump and throw away her breast milk. The alcohol consumed does not accumulate in breast milk. The alcohol leaves the mother's milk as soon as it leaves her blood.
In regards to drinking alcohol while breastfeeding, it is important to remember that alcohol can decrease the production of breast milk. Alcohol can remain in the mother's blood and milk supply for various amounts of time depending on factors including:
* the mother's height and weight
* the mother's body fat content
* when the last time the mother consumed a meal.
The time the alcohol can stay in breast milk varies from woman to woman.
While many research studies have concluded no ill effects linked between alcohol consumption and breast feeding, other studies would disagree. Firstly, the volume of the mother's breast milk can decrease noticeably with alcohol consumption. A baby's sleep patterns can be affected, as well as an increased chance of dying from SIDS.
Daily alcohol consumption by breast feeding mothers can cause slow weight gain in her child, as well as decrease the baby's motor skills development and hyperglycemia.
While studies on this subject are conflicting, the safest thing for mother and child is NOT to consume alcohol while you are breastfeeding.
http://www.betterhealthcentre.com/breastfeeding/breastfeeding_alcohol.htm
Does not sound definitive to me.
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So I was actually off with that Ozmo, it would probably take a case of wine for a baby to have a glass of wine. No argument intended, just informative.
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Does not sound definitive to me.
that's why I said "the concensus" is... and I am right about that.
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that's why I said "the concensus" is... and I am right about that.
O.K. I'm right about each mom needing to do whatever she feels comfortable doing. But I don't really care about being right. :) Nothing more than an exchange of ideas, opinions, etc.
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O.K. I'm right about each mom needing to do whatever she feels comfortable doing. But I don't really care about being right. :) Nothing more than an exchange of ideas, opinions, etc.
I do think that it shouldn't be anything regular. But if a mom wants to occationally have 1 drink, it's easily workable without there being a problem.