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Speaking of poor choice of words . . . . The UH AD was already on the radio this morning condemning the remarks. Gotta watch what you say when the whole country is your audience.
Hawaii football coach uses homosexual slur in reference to Notre Dame
By Dan Hinxman • dhinxman@rgj.com • July 30, 2009
SALT LAKE CITY - Second-year Hawaii football coach Greg McMackin said Notre Dame players engaged in a "little homo dance" when describing a banquet the night before the Hawaii Bowl last December.
McMackin, speaking at the Western Athletic Conference's annual football media preview on Thursday morning, said the teams gathered the night before the game for a banquet when Irish coach Charlie Weis introduced the players and a ritual they do.
"I know most of the coaches in the country are rooting for us to beat Notre Dame," McMackin said. "Charlie gives this talk, 'We do something special at Notre Dame,' and (the players) get up and they do this little cheer ... this little homo dance."
McMackin said he felt he made a mistake by then having the Hawaii players do a Ha'a, a ritual Polynesian dance that McMackin believed made the Irish players take notice and get them to play at a higher level the following day. Notre Dame won, 49-21.
After describing the dances, McMackin asked reporters not to write about it and made a reference to Karl Benson, the WAC commissioner who was in the room.
"Don't write that 'homo' down. I was misquoted," he said. "Just please … cover for me," McMackin said Thursday. "Go ahead, say ‘homo dance.’ No. Please cover for me on that, too — right Karl? I’ll deny it. Anything else?"
About 15 minutes after McMackin left the room, he returned and added, "I want to officially, officially apologize. Please don’t write that statement I said as far as Notre Dame. The reason is, I don’t care about Notre Dame. But I’m not a … I don’t want to come out and have every homosexual ticked off at me. You know what I mean. Because I don’t have any problem with homosexuals. But I apologize for saying that and I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t run that word. If you said dance, that’s OK. But don’t use the bad term that I chose, please. Thank you."
Later this morning, McMackin had scheduled a press conference for further comment.
http://rgj.com/article/20090730/SPORTS/90730014&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
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Sad world that we live in where he has to apologize for it.
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If he worked at my university, I would fire him! The incoming Univ. of Hawaii president, M.R.C. (pronounced marcy) Greenwood is an out lesbian; he better watch it. :-X
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2009/06/08/daily37.html
Other press outlets quote him as saying "... this little f a g g o t dance." As I said in the other thread,
It’s like the Taliban or evangelicals; people are free to hold any attitudes or beliefs they want (even bigoted ones) as long as they do not act them out in ways that impact the lives and livelihoods of others. When you try to deny equal treatment under the law to people or start flying planes into buildings based on your personal beliefs then we have a problem.
In this case, a coach at a public university using language like that needs to go. He can easily be replaced by someone who will understand why using language like that is unacceptable. >:(
I would not be surprised if Greenwood fired him when she takes office next week.
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She can't fire him. Only the Board of Regents can make that decision and they're not about to fire McMackin. No way. He's the most popular and highest paid state employee. They got enough controversy as it is at that school. Her tenure would be over before it started if she picked a fight with him.
Plus people aren't crazy about her selection to begin with. The fact she was apparently forced out of a job over alleged misconduct was discussed quite a bit. People didn't want another mainland president. She got the job essentially by default when the other finalist pulled his name (although he could have done so because they told him he wasn't going to be selected). There was a call by many to reopen the entire hiring process and focus on local candidates when she became the only finalist.
So, no way does she even think about going there and keep her job long term.
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Well, they DO do the little homo dance. The homo dance is a Notre Dame tradition.
What's the problem?
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She can't fire him. Only the Board of Regents can make that decision and they're not about to fire McMackin. No way. He's the most popular and highest paid state employee. They got enough controversy as it is at that school. Her tenure would be over before it started if she picked a fight with him.
Plus people aren't crazy about her selection to begin with. The fact she was apparently forced out of a job over alleged misconduct was discussed quite a bit. People didn't want another mainland president. She got the job essentially by default when the other finalist pulled his name (although he could have done so because they told him he wasn't going to be selected). There was a call by many to reopen the entire hiring process and focus on local candidates when she became the only finalist.
So, no way does she even think about going there and keep her job long term.
Um, no. Coaches are hired or fired by the president—not the Board of trustees/regents/governors. The Board hires the president and s/he has ultimate authority over all campus personnel. If the Board does not like the decisions the president makes then they can fire him or her, but boards do not hire/fire coaches or other university personnel.
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Well, they DO do the little homo dance. The homo dance is a Notre Dame tradition.
What's the problem?
Maybe he should have said fairies instead of homos?
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Um, no. Coaches are hired or fired by the president—not the Board of trustees/regents/governors. The Board hires the president and s/he has ultimate authority over all campus personnel. If the Board does not like the decisions the president makes then they can fire him or her, but boards do not hire/fire coaches or other university personnel.
That's not how it works here. The president rarely gets involved with the hiring and firing of coaches. That's the AD's job. Even if the president were to get involved, all he or she can do is make a recommendation. The Board of Regents actually approves the hiring/firing/salary decisions regarding head coaches. The way it works in this system is the AD (or president) makes a recommendation, which is then voted on by the Board of Regents.
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they're not about to fire McMackin. No way. He's the most popular and highest paid state employee.
michael vick was the most popular and probably the highest paid athlete in georgia.
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michael vick was the most popular and probably the highest paid athlete in georgia.
Vick was actually the highest paid player in the NFL. McMackin didn't kill dogs. Absurd comparison.
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Well, they DO do the little homo dance. The homo dance is a Notre Dame tradition.
What's the problem?
You're fired. 8)
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You're fired. 8)
And sued. :)
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Vick was actually the highest paid player in the NFL. McMackin didn't kill dogs. Absurd comparison.
There are 5 million admitted homosexuals in the USA.
That's a lot of offense.
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There are 5 million admitted homosexuals in the USA.
That's a lot of offense.
Sorry. That doesn't make your Vick comparison any better.
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Sorry. That doesn't make your Vick comparison any better.
but it sure did make a boring thread more interesting.
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but it sure did make a boring thread more interesting.
Not really.
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Not really.
Agree.
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Not really.
Agree.
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me too mee too!!!
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me too mee too!!!
me three. :-\
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you guys are all homos.
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lol. Hey there are some here who think he might get suspended.
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Maybe he can have a beer with Greenwood, while the NotreDame & UH football teams danced in the background?
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Sad world that we live in where he has to apologize for it.
Agree... WTF? ???
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If he worked at my university, I would fire him! The incoming Univ. of Hawaii president, M.R.C. (pronounced marcy) Greenwood is an out lesbian; he better watch it. :-X
I tell you what the problem is.
Everybody seems to be offended these days.
Are you one of those "offended" persons?
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Sad world that we live in where he has to apologize for it.
boom...
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A lot of people get 'offended' because it is one of the very few ways they can have an impact and influence over someone else.
The UH coach is much higher in the big scheme of things that some nobody psudo-homosexual or whoever is complaining these days... and that nobody is irrelevent unless he can be 'offended', and make a big scene that unfortunatly has an impact by making the news.
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He was on the radio this morning apologizing and crying (literally). Now, I'm sure the tears could be related to the possible loss of his annual million dollar salary, but I think he was genuine. He's a good guy. Has been good for the community.
Poor choice of words, but definitely nothing he should be fired or even suspended over. If he is punished, it will be to satisfy certain segments of the public.
Hawaii football coach apologizes for gay slur
By Stephen Tsai
HawaiiWarriorBeat.com Editor
SALT LAKE CITY — In a comment heard 'round the sports world, University of Hawai'i football coach Greg McMackin yesterday made an admittedly "offensive" slur that not only created widespread stir but rebuke from one local gay and lesbian support group.
Hours later, his eyes reddened from emotion and self-anger, McMackin shook his head and whispered: "I'm so disappointed in myself. So disappointed."
McMackin was about to board a shuttle to the Salt Lake City airport, where he would take a long, six-hour flight to Honolulu.
Up in the air last night was the repercussion from the gay slur he uttered three times to describe a chant by Notre Dame football players at a banquet preceding last year's Sheraton Hawai'i Bowl.
McMackin used the slur during a speech to reporters yesterday at the Western Athletic Conference Football Preview, where each of the nine WAC coaches was allotted 30 minutes to talk about his football team.
In recalling a battle of chants between Notre Dame and UH players, McMackin used the derogatory phrase in describing the performance by the Fighting Irish.
"They get up and do this little cheer ... this little f----- dance," McMackin told reporters, who chuckled as he demonstrated the dance.
But the mood turned stone-cold sober as McMackin uttered the slur two more times while clumsily trying to apologize.
Before the next coach's session, McMackin returned to the conference room and offered another apology.
A half-hour later, WAC officials called a news conference, and McMackin issued a more formal apology.
"I would sincerely like to apologize for the inappropriate verbiage of words that I used," said McMackin, his voice cracking. "I have nothing against the University of Notre Dame. I don't talk like that. I'm really ticked off at myself for saying that. I don't have any prejudices. It really makes me mad that I said that. I'm disappointed in myself."
He faces disciplinary action from UH and the WAC, of which UH is a member. WAC commissioner Karl Benson said the slur might violate the league's sportsmanship policy with sanctions ranging from a private reprimand to suspension.
UH athletic director Jim Donovan called Notre Dame officials to apologize.
IT'S 'UNACCEPTABLE'
McMackin's comments were reported nationally. ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" used it as a debate topic on yesterday's show. Host Michael Wilbon said McMackin's comments were "just stupid."
The O'ahu chapter of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays issued a statement calling on the university to require more than an apology from McMackin.
"PFLAG O'ahu is appalled that the head coach at UH-M would be so unprofessional, so homophobic and so prejudicial that he would voice a gay slur even in jest. Behind closed doors is bad, but to voice the 'F' at a press conference at the Western Athletic Conference Football Preview is unacceptable," the organization said.
McMackin made his comments in response to a question about the aftermath of the Warriors' 49-21 loss to Notre Dame in the 2008 bowl.
He said he might have inadvertently fired up the Fighting Irish by allowing his team to get into the battle of chants at the banquet.
McMackin described the loss to Notre Dame as the worst in his 40-year career.
"It ticks me off that I said (the slur) because Notre Dame played a great ball game," McMackin said. "What I was trying to do was be funny, and I wasn't funny, and it's not funny. Even more, it isn't funny to me. I was trying to make a joke. It was a bad choice of words. I really, really feel that.
"I wanted to apologize," he added. "I'm going to apologize to my team. I'm going to apologize to the people of Hawai'i. ... All I can do is apologize, and I feel bad that I used those words. It was really stupid. I just feel really bad. I apologize."
DONOVAN WEIGHS IN
Middle linebacker Brashton Satele, who also attended the meet-the-media event, said it was out of character for McMackin to use the phrase.
"He loves everybody," Satele said. "He never says anything bad about anybody."
Donovan said: "I am disappointed in what he said. I know he's disappointed in himself, and he made a sincere apology. Greg is a good man. He's never said anything disparaging about anybody in all of the time I've known him."
McMackin and Donovan met last night. Donovan declined to comment on any possible sanction.
"I cannot comment on personnel matters," Donovan said. "We'll go through the normal university procedures."
The coaches' segments are recorded on video, and then posted on the WAC's Web site. Because the speech was made to print reporters, there is no other available video of the segment.
Benson said the WAC will not post McMackin's segment.
http://sports.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090731/SPORTS0201/907310359&template=UHSports/Hawaii+football+coach+apologizes+for+gay+slur
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I haven't seen the Notre Dame dance, but here is the UH pregame "ha`a" dance the team does before every game.
Has anyone seen the Notre Dame dance?
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#10 might be kinda hot... if it weren't for that receding hairline. He looks almost like a Klingon. :-\
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As I said in the thread about firing the Boston police officer (who btw should not be fired) for what he said in an email message, “people are free to hold any attitudes or beliefs they want (even bigoted ones) as long as they do not act them out in ways that impact the lives and livelihoods of others.” McMackin acted out with what he said in that interview and should be fired. Perhaps he and Isaiah Washington (fired from Grey’s Anatomy) can have a beer and drown their sorrows together.
The world has changed people: bigotry in your heart or in private is perfectly fine, but in the public sphere it will not be tolerated—especially from overpaid, high profile people who can easily be replaced. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for this guy...
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WTF is the world coming to when people can't call gay shit gay?
As I said in the thread about firing the Boston police officer (who btw should not be fired) for what he said in an email message, “people are free to hold any attitudes or beliefs they want (even bigoted ones) as long as they do not act them out in ways that impact the lives and livelihoods of others.” McMackin acted out with what he said in that interview and should be fired. Perhaps he and Isaiah Washington (fired from Grey’s Anatomy) can have a beer and drown their sorrows together.
The world has changed people: bigotry in your heart or in private is perfectly fine, but in the public sphere it will not be tolerated—especially from overpaid, high profile people who can easily be replaced. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for this guy...
You're a bigger bigot than him and stupid. Thinking (and I use that term loosely) being gay means people own a word and all its contexts is asinine.
Lame-assed examples of idiots overreacting to flippant comments like this is one of the reasons moderates can't get behind (pun intended) the gay cause. A lot of you idiots, both gay and straight, can't appreciate the difference between and a sword.
Sadly, two very important fears we've been led to believe irrational are being proven true again, and again: 1. Gays want extra, not equal rights. 2. Those rights will come at the expense of others. Pretending otherwise is like saying healthcare will be free.
Your main spokespeople fail at every opportunity to show tolerance and just can't be trusted. It's sad the culture, as a whole, can't appreciate how scenes over silly shit like this alienate the majority.
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As I said in the thread about firing the Boston police officer (who btw should not be fired) for what he said in an email message, “people are free to hold any attitudes or beliefs they want (even bigoted ones) as long as they do not act them out in ways that impact the lives and livelihoods of others.” McMackin acted out with what he said in that interview and should be fired. Perhaps he and Isaiah Washington (fired from Grey’s Anatomy) can have a beer and drown their sorrows together.
The world has changed people: bigotry in your heart or in private is perfectly fine, but in the public sphere it will not be tolerated—especially from overpaid, high profile people who can easily be replaced. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for this guy...
The problem with this analysis is Coach Mac is not a bigot. The man doesn't have a spiteful bone in his body. He loves everybody. He's actually too nice sometimes. This was nothing more than a very poor attempt to be funny.
He can't be easily replaced. Nonsense. Practice starts next week and the season starts in a month. Firing him now would cripple the program, which is the lifeblood of the athletic department and probably the school's single largest revenue generator.
UH is in the middle of a lawsuit with the former women's basketball coach that they recently fired for cause. There is no way they are going to fire Coach Mac for cause, with about four years left on his mil per year contract, and face another lawsuit. Will never happen.
The man is heavily involved in the community and is well liked by pretty much everyone. I think the worst thing that will happen is he gets suspended for a game (even that would be too harsh).
This thing is way overblown.
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WTF is the world coming to when people can't call gay shit gay?
Lame-assed examples of idiots overreacting to flippant comments like this is one of the reasons moderates can't get behind (pun intended) the gay cause. A lot of you idiots, both gay and straight, can't appreciate the difference between and a sword.
Sadly, two very important fears we've been led to believe irrational are being proven true again, and again: 1. Gays want extra, not equal rights. 2. Those rights will come at the expense of others. Pretending otherwise is like saying healthcare will be free.
Your main spokespeople fail at every opportunity to show tolerance and just can't be trusted. It's sad the culture, as a whole, can't appreciate how scenes over silly shit like this alienate the majority.
I can kind of agree with this... I mean, I have gay friends... I like gay people, but if something is gay... It's gay.
Why think it's bad?
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I can kind of agree with this... I mean, I have gay friends... I like gay people, but if something is gay... It's gay.
Why think it's bad?
I don't have a single gay, white, black or any other labeled friend. People are people.
This is basically the boy who cried bigot.
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I pretty much agree. I don't have a problem being PC, but people shouldn't have to walk on egg shells. This shouldn't be the lead story in the news, on ESPN, and front page of both our daily papers.
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I don't have a single gay, white, black or any other labeled friend. People are people.
This is basically the boy who cried bigot.
:o :o :o C'mon Jakey, ...you know better than to refer to a black man as boy!
You just love pushing those buttons don't ya? You're such a brat sometimes! :D
Personally, I have a bigger problem with a cop charged with dealing with the public on a day to day basis, having such sentiments, letting alone feeling that disseminating them was in any way acceptable, than I do with a football coach who deals with football players day to day using such unfortunate verbiage.
Did he say homo or faggot? If he did say homo, could it have merely been an abbrev of homosexual?
I think we really need to see the dance in question. If it looked like a bunch of men doing some type of a courtship ritual, then calling it a homo dance would be appropriate. Then too, what was his tone? Did he spit out the word with contempt, ...or was he clearly trying to be descriptive?
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I pretty much agree. I don't have a problem being PC, but people shouldn't have to walk on egg shells. This shouldn't be the lead story in the news, on ESPN, and front page of both our daily papers.
Since the release of the 911 tapes, the Cambridge PD audio dispatch, and the witness statements that the only words she spoke to Crowley was "I'm the woman who called", ...how else are we going to divert people's attention away from that story? Besides, ...according to some people in the community ...Gay is the new Black. ;)
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:o :o :o C'mon Jakey, ...you know better than to refer to a black man as boy!
You just love pushing those buttons don't ya? You're such a brat sometimes! :D
Personally, I have a bigger problem with a cop charged with dealing with the public on a day to day basis, having such sentiments, letting alone feeling that disseminating them was in any way acceptable, than I do with a football coach who deals with football players day to day using such unfortunate verbiage.
Did he say homo or faggot? If he did say homo, could it have merely been an abbrev of homosexual?
I think we really need to see the dance in question. If it looked like a bunch of men doing some type of a courtship ritual, then calling it a homo dance would be appropriate. Then too, what was his tone? Did he spit out the word with contempt, ...or was he clearly trying to be descriptive?
Now men can't refer to their sons as 'boy' for fear of offending some random black dude? :)
What's the world coming to?
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Since the release of the 911 tapes, the Cambridge PD audio dispatch, and the witness statements that the only words she spoke to Crowley was "I'm the woman who called", ...how else are we going to divert people's attention away from that story? Besides, ...according to some people in the community ...Gay is the new Black. ;)
The Gates/Crowley story has run its course. I doubt there is much talk about it next week.
This one will blow over by next week too, except Coach Mac will be apologizing for the next four years. :-\
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ND's head coach comments:
In a prepared release, Weis said: "Yesterday, Coach McMackin demonstrated poor judgment when, while making comments critical of our football program, he used a derogatory word.
"Speaking only for our football program, we were offended by the remarks.
"This afternoon I received a phone call from Coach McMackin and he apologized to me and asked I pass that along to my players and coaches. We accept his apology and we will move on."
In his statement, Weis also noted that as a parent of a daughter with global developmental delays "I am especially sensitive to offensive characterizations like the one at issue here."
Still, Weis says, "in no way do I believe Coach McMackin's comments were intended to be offensive.
"In our phone conversation today, I expressed those sentiments. It is now time to put this incident behind us and return focus to the 2009 season."
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090731/BREAKING01/90731054/UH+to+hold+3+30+p.m.+press+conference+over+coach+McMackin+s+use+of+gay+slur
They're having news conference at 1530 today. Geeze Louise. You'd think the man slapped someone's momma.
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Now men can't refer to their sons as 'boy' for fear of offending some random black dude? :)
What's the world coming to?
tsk tsk We all know you weren't refering to your son, ...you were refering to BayBGM,
not some random black dude, but a man who for all intents & purposes appears to be your senior.
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They're having news conference at 1530 today. Geeze Louise. You'd think the man slapped someone's momma.
Maybe he didn't slap her, ...just suggested he'd talk with her on the porch? :D
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tsk tsk We all know you weren't refering to your son, ...you were refering to BayBGM,
not some random black dude, but a man who for all intents & purposes appears to be your senior.
Being senior would only mean he's been stupid a long time, LOL!
It's stupidity I'm against. If you perceived him being called a boy I don't have the right to determine how posts are interpreted. Boy, like most other terms, has many contexts so feel free to use whatever one feels good at the moment.
It's shit like this that really makes me feel bad for their cause. The actual grievance has merit but shoving the issue down everyone's throat isn't going to work. Stupid incidents like this make people hypersensitive around gays and since no one wants to walk on eggshells every day socially they'll end up being less included.
I use gay all the time. My kids use it, LOL! I even had a friend hang up the phone last week yelling "Fuck you fag!!" last week after being called gay. I could care less about someone's sexuality but if it means walking on eggshells all day long I'd probably never knowingly hire gays again. Last thing I want is someone's panties getting all knotted up over a simple comment.
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Being senior would only mean he's been stupid a long time, LOL!
It's stupidity I'm against. If you perceived him being called a boy I don't have the right to determine how posts are interpreted. Boy, like most other terms, has many contexts so feel free to use whatever one feels good at the moment.
It's shit like this that really makes me feel bad for their cause. The actual grievance has merit but shoving the issue down everyone's throat isn't going to work.
I'm so tempted to make a comment, ...but I think I'll leave it be. ;D
Stupid incidents like this make people hypersensitive around gays and since no one wants to walk on eggshells every day socially they'll end up being less included.
I use gay all the time. My kids use it, LOL! I even had a friend hang up the phone last week yelling "Fuck you fag!!" last week after being called gay. I could care less about someone's sexuality but if it means walking on eggshells all day long I'd probably never knowingly hire gays again. Last thing I want is someone's panties getting all knotted up over a simple comment.
Maybe you shouldn't knowingly hire gays?
Maybe you should only knowingly hire easygoing individuals with whom you are compatible (who may or may not be gay)?
So someone is overly sensitive? Is an increased awareness of something that has previously not impacted you negatively such a bad thing? Would you not learn something which you previously did not? Is that such a bad thing?
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Press conference is over. Punishment is as follows:
- Thirty-day-suspension without pay, but will be allowed to coach the team.
- His salary reduction will be used to fund a student intern for the student GLBT group.
- Voluntary salary reduction, which he was probably going to do anyway (I think 10 percent). All UH admin officials are doing this.
- He must do a public service announcement for the GLBT folks.
- He must work with the student GLBT group with whatever they want him to do.
He apologized again at the press conference and cried (again).
The student(?) in charge of the UH GLBT group spoke about homophobia.
I'm just flabbergasted at what pansies we have become in this country. If you didn't know the facts, you would think this man sexually assaulted a student. Just outrageous what they are doing to this man.
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Press conference is over. Punishment is as follows:
- Thirty-day-suspension without pay, but will be allowed to coach the team.
- His salary reduction will be used to fund a student intern for the student GLBT group.
- Voluntary salary reduction, which he was probably going to do anyway (I think 10 percent). All UH admin officials are doing this.
- He must do a public service announcement for the GLBT folks.
- He must work with the student GLBT group with whatever they want him to do.
He apologized again at the press conference and cried (again).
The student(?) in charge of the UH GLBT group spoke about homophobia.
I'm just flabbergasted at what pansies we have become in this country. If you didn't know the facts, you would think this man sexually assaulted a student. Just outrageous what they are doing to this man.
what the hell...all fucked up......this aint america no more...
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Press conference is over. Punishment is as follows:
- Thirty-day-suspension without pay, but will be allowed to coach the team.
- His salary reduction will be used to fund a student intern for the student GLBT group.
- Voluntary salary reduction, which he was probably going to do anyway (I think 10 percent). All UH admin officials are doing this.
- He must do a public service announcement for the GLBT folks.
- He must work with the student GLBT group with whatever they want him to do.
He apologized again at the press conference and cried (again).
The student(?) in charge of the UH GLBT group spoke about homophobia.
I'm just flabbergasted at what pansies we have become in this country. If you didn't know the facts, you would think this man sexually assaulted a student. Just outrageous what they are doing to this man.
I so agree with you. That is insane. I wonder if they would have done this much to June Jones.
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I'm so tempted to make a comment, ...but I think I'll leave it be. ;D
Maybe you shouldn't knowingly hire gays?
Maybe you should only knowingly hire easygoing individuals with whom you are compatible (who may or may not be gay)?
So someone is overly sensitive? Is an increased awareness of something that has previously not impacted you negatively such a bad thing? Would you not learn something which you previously did not? Is that such a bad thing?
The pun was a freebie. :)
Fuck overly sensitive people! Their sensitivities don't equate extra rights or the ability to decide for others.
There's nothing to be learned from dumbasses.
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Other press outlets quote him as saying "... this little f a g g o t dance." As I said in the other thread,
In this case, a coach at a public university using language like that needs to go. He can easily be replaced by someone who will understand why using language like that is unacceptable. >:(
Are you serious? I'm sure they WERE doing a little homo dance. One of my best friends from high school is gay and one of my best friends and training partner now is a transexual. I'm sure I've used a phrase like that tons of times in front of them.
If he said they were dancing around like morons would every person with IQ between 50-70 call for his retirement?
If he said they were dancing around like dorks would everyone with a penis call for his retirement?
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Another sad day in our countries history. Are we really serious about this whole "incident"? Did a coach saying "hey, that dance is a homo dance" really, truly offend ANYONE? Probably not, but, as another poster said, this is a great way to get noticed, pretend you are "compassionate" and have control over someone else.
I call utter and total bullshit that him saying "homo dance" offended anyone. And talk about prejudging people, none of these fools ,that are crying to the moon, know a damn thing about this coach....but they are quick to call him a bigot, a nazi, a war criminal and the worst person since Hitler..or worse than Hitler. What fucking bunch of homo's....wow, I'm Hitler now. I need to be publicly humiliated, torn down, called a bigot, called homophobe, called intolerant and have my salary confiscated by the thought police. Even though no-one has ever met me in real life.
If this is the absolute best the "Movement" can come up with.......kill yourselves now before you embarrass and alienate the entire country any more.
HOMO....in our lexicon....what does it even mean now? The ass lame dance the Irish do was aptly called a "homo dance" by the coach. Seems like the right adjective to use considering where the word is in our culture now.
This is truly some limp dick shit. Great, I've probably drawn the ire from the American Limp Dick Association.
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Press conference is over. Punishment is as follows:
- Thirty-day-suspension without pay, but will be allowed to coach the team.
- His salary reduction will be used to fund a student intern for the student GLBT group.
- Voluntary salary reduction, which he was probably going to do anyway (I think 10 percent). All UH admin officials are doing this.
- He must do a public service announcement for the GLBT folks.
- He must work with the student GLBT group with whatever they want him to do.
He apologized again at the press conference and cried (again).
The student(?) in charge of the UH GLBT group spoke about homophobia.
I'm just flabbergasted at what pansies we have become in this country. If you didn't know the facts, you would think this man sexually assaulted a student. Just outrageous what they are doing to this man.
He is lucky he was not axed! As I said, the world has changed. You can either deal with it (get with the program) or you will be dealt with. ;D
That kind of talk is fine in private (or on anonymous message boards) but it will not be tolerated in the public sphere.
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He is lucky he was not axed! As I said, the world has changed. You can either deal with it (get with the program) or you will be dealt with. ;D
That kind of talk is fine in private (or on anonymous message boards) but it will not be tolerated in the public sphere.
I agree, but don't you think the punishment was way over excessive?
I wonder if there is anything a person can publicly that didn't involve homosexuality that would garner this type of punishment?
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Another sad day in our countries history. Are we really serious about this whole "incident"? Did a coach saying "hey, that dance is a homo dance" really, truly offend ANYONE? Probably not, but, as another poster said, this is a great way to get noticed, pretend you are "compassionate" and have control over someone else.
I call utter and total bullshit that him saying "homo dance" offended anyone. And talk about prejudging people, none of these fools ,that are crying to the moon, know a damn thing about this coach....but they are quick to call him a bigot, a nazi, a war criminal and the worst person since Hitler..or worse than Hitler. What fucking bunch of homo's....wow, I'm Hitler now. I need to be publicly humiliated, torn down, called a bigot, called homophobe, called intolerant and have my salary confiscated by the thought police. Even though no-one has ever met me in real life.
If this is the absolute best the "Movement" can come up with.......kill yourselves now before you embarrass and alienate the entire country any more.
HOMO....in our lexicon....what does it even mean now? The ass lame dance the Irish do was aptly called a "homo dance" by the coach. Seems like the right adjective to use considering where the word is in our culture now.
This is truly some limp dick shit. Great, I've probably drawn the ire from the American Limp Dick Association.
Possibly, ...but you're perfectly positioned to snag an endorsement deal from Pfizer, ...as a spokesperson for Viagra. :P
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I agree, but don't you think the punishment was way over excessive?
I wonder if there is anything a person can publicly that didn't involve homosexuality that would garner this type of punishment?
Whether the punishment fits the crime is always debatable. I am sure there were people on campus calling for him to be fired. They probably do not think this punishment was excessive. Clearly, the school wanted to send a message; they saw this as a measured punishment: serious but not fatal.
I do think there are a number of other things he could have said that would have garnered a similar sanction. Epithets like the F-word, the N-word, Gook (remember McCain used it even during his campaign), Kike, etc. are used specifically to demean and dehumanize, and in a country with our history of treatment toward minorities (where dehumanization was practically written into the law) it is fitting that a university would take people--who should know better--to task when they create a hostile environment for the students/staff and reflect so poorly on the institution.
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Our society has become hypersensitive. This whole ordeal is absurd. I was talking to a UH student who said the money being forfeited by Coach Mac and used for a GLBT intern could be used to hire teachers. UH has serious money problems and has recently let some lecturers go that they couldn't afford. Talk about whacked priorities.
I do think Coach Mac shouldn't have said what he did, but when evaluating an inappropriate comment, you have to look at intent, context, and whether the person is actually a bigot.
The man told a joke for Pete's sake. He's not a bigot. As ND's coach said, there was no intent by Coach Mac to demean anyone. The man has been literally crying like a friggin baby all day. They should have given him an oral reprimand and let it go.
I get the feeling the AD and Chancellor wanted to make an impression on the incoming lesbian president. :-\
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I wonder... how does one verify that they are indeed a GLBT intern and qualified to accept the internship?
Do you engage in a public display of sex with someone of the same gender, ...or will a homemade video tape do? And how does the acceptance of this internship impact any future career plans to participate in the military? I don't think they thought this through. :-\
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OK, I just heard his exact words. Hmmm... kind of hard to get around it when you use the 6 letter F word. :-\
Does anyone have a tape of him crying? I want to see him crying. Does that make me a bad person? ???
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This should not be an issue.
1 for bay, why is it okay to say something in private, but not public.
2. If he called ND's dance a girly dance, would women now have the right to be offended???
3. I have no problem with gays, but this shit is getting taken way too far.
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Even if he called them fags, guys, queers or any other term people shouldn't be so sensitive. It's gay.
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Our society has become hypersensitive. This whole ordeal is absurd. I was talking to a UH student who said the money being forfeited by Coach Mac and used for a GLBT intern could be used to hire teachers. UH has serious money problems and has recently let some lecturers go that they couldn't afford. Talk about whacked priorities.
I do think Coach Mac shouldn't have said what he did, but when evaluating an inappropriate comment, you have to look at intent, context, and whether the person is actually a bigot.
The man told a joke for Pete's sake. He's not a bigot. As ND's coach said, there was no intent by Coach Mac to demean anyone. The man has been literally crying like a friggin baby all day. They should have given him an oral reprimand and let it go.
I get the feeling the AD and Chancellor wanted to make an impression on the incoming lesbian president. :-\
He said "homo dance" and offended billions of people to the point of mass suicide.
He must be punished.
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He said "homo dance" and offended billions of people to the point of mass suicide.
He must be punished.
I did feel a little dizzy recently. Thought it was a virus but now I realize the world momentarily stopped spinning and gravity was lost due to his harsh comments. :)
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As I said in the thread about firing the Boston police officer (who btw should not be fired) for what he said in an email message, “people are free to hold any attitudes or beliefs they want (even bigoted ones) as long as they do not act them out in ways that impact the lives and livelihoods of others.” McMackin acted out with what he said in that interview and should be fired. Perhaps he and Isaiah Washington (fired from Grey’s Anatomy) can have a beer and drown their sorrows together.
The world has changed people: bigotry in your heart or in private is perfectly fine, but in the public sphere it will not be tolerated—especially from overpaid, high profile people who can easily be replaced. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for this guy...
What's the point of everyone being so easily offended? ???
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What's the point of everyone being so easily offended? ???
It's really pretty simple, Zack.
They are morally weak and secretly ashamed of themselves for being gay. Stifling us is the only way to avoid dealing with their feelings.
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It's really pretty simple, Zack.
They are morally weak and secretly ashamed of themselves for being gay. Stifling us is the only way to avoid dealing with their feelings.
I think it's extremely gay.
8)
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What's the point of everyone being so easily offended? ???
That's a damn good question.
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I think it's extremely gay.
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Someone secure in their own shit wouldn't care or politicize certain words.
It simply comes down to fear and how hearing certain words (regardless of their context) forces people to deal with their self hatred.
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yeah suspended 30 days....super gay
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yeah suspended 30 days....super gay
Gayer than hell.
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You two are gonna get suspended!! >:(
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Whether the punishment fits the crime is always debatable. I am sure there were people on campus calling for him to be fired. They probably do not think this punishment was excessive. Clearly, the school wanted to send a message; they saw this as a measured punishment: serious but not fatal.
I do think there are a number of other things he could have said that would have garnered a similar sanction. Epithets like the F-word, the N-word, Gook (remember McCain used it even during his campaign), Kike, etc. are used specifically to demean and dehumanize, and in a country with our history of treatment toward minorities (where dehumanization was practically written into the law) it is fitting that a university would take people--who should know better--to task when they create a hostile environment for the students/staff and reflect so poorly on the institution.
That's the thing. I don't think anyone is debating whether or not something should have been done. The issue is what was done.
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That's the thing. I don't think anyone is debating whether or not something should have been done. The issue is what was done.
Have you been reading this thread? There are people posting here who think this is all overblown and no punitive action should have been taken. I am sure many other people out there who share that view. Like the coach, they do not get it. But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price. ;)
Following the termination of Isaiah Washington from Grey’s Anatomy (for the same offense) people should have clued in by now. I suppose it will take a few more firings and other punishments before people finally start to get it.
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Have you been reading this thread? There are people posting here who think this is all overblown and no punitive action should have been taken. I am sure many other people out there who share that view. Like the coach, they do not get it. But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price. ;)
Following the termination of Isaiah Washington from Grey’s Anatomy (for the same offense) people should have clued in by now. I suppose it will take a few more firings and other punishments before people finally start to get it.
Maybe in a hundreds years people will clue in. It will take some time but we will get there. Changing something ingrained into a culture takes more than just one generation. How long did it take to get the "N" word out? It's still practiced in casual conversation by old people (60+ years of age) in places like Arkansas.
The Coaches comment wasn't a premeditated direct slander on gays. It was an indirect irresponsible comment that directly insulted a particular group of people. Because of that the punishment didn't need to be this severe.
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Like the coach, they do not get it. But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price. ;)
Wrong. YOU do not get it. You're not fucking special. You're just another insignificant human trudging through life like the rest of us. As much as you want to believe you're so important that this coach was purposefully trying to insult you and every other gay person by joking around about a bunch of kids he probably cares about like sons, it's not true.
You spend half your life on this board trying to mock people for following a sport by acting like you have "ultra-secret information" that only a select group of other special people get to know. YOU have made many insensitive remarks that were said for no other reason that to insult or defame others. YOU have countless posts where you claim various degrees of homosexuality for different pro bodybuilders for the sole intent of insulting them and the people who admire them. YOU purposefully try to make posters feel ignorant because they don't have the super-secret knowledge that everyone in bodybuilding is gay.
YOU use slang terms for homosexuality in a derogatory manner every fucking day. To come here and act insulted by this coach is disgusting, and makes you the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth.
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Wrong. YOU do not get it. You're not fucking special. You're just another insignificant human trudging through life like the rest of us. As much as you want to believe you're so important that this coach was purposefully trying to insult you and every other gay person by joking around about a bunch of kids he probably cares about like sons, it's not true.
You spend half your life on this board trying to mock people for following a sport by acting like you have "ultra-secret information" that only a select group of other special people get to know. YOU have made many insensitive remarks that were said for no other reason that to insult or defame others. YOU have countless posts where you claim various degrees of homosexuality for different pro bodybuilders for the sole intent of insulting them and the people who admire them. YOU purposefully try to make posters feel ignorant because they don't have the super-secret knowledge that everyone in bodybuilding is gay.
YOU use slang terms for homosexuality in a derogatory manner every fucking day. To come here and act insulted by this coach is disgusting, and makes you the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth.
Ouch.
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Camaron Miyamoto, coordinator for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Student Services at UH-Manoa, said the comment has shocked many on the campus.
"We have hurt, anger, outrage. All understandable reactions," he said, adding that he hopes the incident spurs a "more respectful campus."
::) If you are hurt, angry, or outraged by this joke, you need to grow a pair. Even Coach Mac needs to quit crying already.
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Camaron Miyamoto, coordinator for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Student Services at UH-Manoa, said the comment has shocked many on the campus.
"We have hurt, anger, outrage. All understandable reactions," he said, adding that he hopes the incident spurs a "more respectful campus."
::) If you are hurt, angry, or outraged by this joke, you need to grow a pair. Even Coach Mac needs to quit crying already.
Yeah, no kidding. some people need to go bridge building
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Have you been reading this thread? There are people posting here who think this is all overblown and no punitive action should have been taken. I am sure many other people out there who share that view. Like the coach, they do not get it. But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price. ;)
Following the termination of Isaiah Washington from Grey’s Anatomy (for the same offense) people should have clued in by now. I suppose it will take a few more firings and other punishments before people finally start to get it.
What offense?! He called a gay guy gay. Who gives a fuck?
Camaron Miyamoto, coordinator for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Student Services at UH-Manoa, said the comment has shocked many on the campus.
"We have hurt, anger, outrage. All understandable reactions," he said, adding that he hopes the incident spurs a "more respectful campus."
::) If you are hurt, angry, or outraged by this joke, you need to grow a pair. Even Coach Mac needs to quit crying already.
They should STFU!
Overreactions like this hurt all gay people. If anyone pays a price it will be them.
If a word has that much power over a person they really should ask themselves why instead of trying to prevent its use. :)
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Yeah, no kidding. some people need to go bridge building
Yep. If anything is outrageous it's using his forfeited salary to hire a GLBT intern instead of hiring a teacher. We have a major budget/financial crisis and we're wasting money on this? ::)
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Have you been reading this thread? There are people posting here who think this is all overblown and no punitive action should have been taken. I am sure many other people out there who share that view. Like the coach, they do not get it. But they will eventually… or they, too, will pay the price. ;)
Following the termination of Isaiah Washington from Grey’s Anatomy (for the same offense) people should have clued in by now. I suppose it will take a few more firings and other punishments before people finally start to get it.
"Pay the Price"?!?
For what? Not following you special interest, attention seeking agenda?
WTF?
If gays weren't constantly seeking attention and special rights, would the rest of society even have you on its' collective radar?
No, it wouldn't. Just like the NAACP does, the gay agenda has to continually fabricate conflict to maintain its relevancy.
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What offense?! He called a gay guy gay. Who gives a fuck?
They should STFU!
Overreactions like this hurt all gay people. If anyone pays a price it will be them.
If a word has that much power over a person they really should ask themselves why instead of trying to prevent its use. :)
I agree.
Even the person to whom the comments were directed said let it go already:
Still, Weis says, "in no way do I believe Coach McMackin's comments were intended to be offensive.
"In our phone conversation today, I expressed those sentiments. It is now time to put this incident behind us and return focus to the 2009 season."
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Someone should post a video of said 'gay' dance.
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I looked for it, but this is all I could find: http://joshqpublic.com/2009/07/30/notre-dame-homo-dance/
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Put him on the sex offender registry next. ::)
WAC reprimands McMackin
Advertiser Staff
The Western Athletic Conference said this morning that it has reprimanded University of Hawaii head football coach Greg McMackin for comments he made last week during the WAC's annual football media preview in Salt Lake City.
McMackin's comments included a gay slur that he used while discussing the University of Notre Dame football team.
In addition to the reprimand, McMackin has been warned that any further violations of the WAC Sportsmanship Code will result in an automatic one-game suspension, at the minimum, the WAC said on its Web site.
"I greatly appreciate the quick and decisive actions by UH Chancellor Virginia Hinshaw and Athletics Director Jim Donovan as it has made my job in processing this very unfortunate situation much easier," WAC Commissioner Karl Benson said in a statement. "Coach McMackin's comments were clearly offensive, violated the WAC Code, and are not condoned by either Hawaii or the WAC."
The university last week suspended McMackin for 30 days without pay.
McMackin also volunteered to take an additional 7 percent pay cut from his $1.1 million salary.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090803/BREAKING02/90803021/WAC+reprimands+McMackin+
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7%!!??
Fuck them and the horse they rode in on! I wouldn't voluntarily give up shit.
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7%!!??
Fuck them and the horse they rode in on! I wouldn't voluntarily give up shit.
lol. ;D He was probably going to do this anyway. The Gov and her cabinet, the UH president, and the AD had already voluntarily agreed to pay cuts to help with the budget crisis.
Even with the cut he still makes over a mil a year. He made a little more than $100,000 a year ago before he became head coach.
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lol. ;D He was probably going to do this anyway. The Gov and her cabinet, the UH president, and the AD had already voluntarily agreed to pay cuts to help with the budget crisis.
Even with the cut he still makes over a mil a year. He made a little more than $100,000 a year ago before he became head coach.
this is all bad...im not really feeling this at all...the more news i see on this the madder i get
Bay i know youre homo and all, im cool with that. But dude its just words and for someone to get all penalized over that is unamerican..What seperated us from other countries was the freedom of speach..
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this is all bad...im not really feeling this at all...the more news i see on this the madder i get
Bay i know youre homo and all, im cool with that. But dude its just words and for someone to get all penalized over that is unamerican..What seperated us from other countries was the freedom of speach..
Penalized, LOL!
Been boning up on the Penal code, Mal?
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Penalized, LOL!
Been boning up on the Penal code, Mal?
haha...i had to really laugh at that
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this is all bad...im not really feeling this at all...the more news i see on this the madder i get
Bay i know youre homo and all, im cool with that. But dude its just words and for someone to get all penalized over that is unamerican..What seperated us from other countries was the freedom of speach..
It really is a complete overreaction. I was watching Blazing Saddles yesterday and they used the "f" word twice, once when talking about a dance. We've gone from that to hurt, anger, and outrage when someone makes a harmless joke. What if he would have called it a "queer dance"? ::)
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It really is a complete overreaction. I was watching Blazing Saddles yesterday and they used the "f" word twice, once when talking about a dance. We've gone from that to hurt, anger, and outrage when someone makes a harmless joke. What if he would have called it a "queer dance"? ::)
that would have been funny
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What if he would have called it a "queer dance"? ::)
The we wouldn't be discussing this. :D
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It really is a complete overreaction. I was watching Blazing Saddles yesterday and they used the "f" word twice, once when talking about a dance. We've gone from that to hurt, anger, and outrage when someone makes a harmless joke. What if he would have called it a "queer dance"? ::)
This is one sad state of affairs.
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This is one sad state of affairs.
Oh..... nevermind...
I thought you were talking about California....
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He should have said faggoty dance and at least earned all the drama, LOL!
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He should have said faggoty dance and at least earned all the drama, LOL!
I don't think his remarks would have caused such a fuss in England!
He could have said "Smoke all the fags!" and nobody would have batted so much as an eye! :-\
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I don't think his remarks would have caused such a fuss in England!
He could have said "Smoke all the fags!" and nobody would have batted so much as an eye! :-\
Even if he said 'poofter dance' the English don't have time for such foolishness.
They're too busy following royals and ignoring radical Islam.