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Walmart, a key bank with GMAC Financial Services, Best Buy, CVS, Travelocity, Re-Bath, Broadview Security and Allergan have all backed out, bringing the list of former Glenn Beck advertisers to Twenty
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He and Huckabee are the only two people on that Neocon pigpen worth watching. I don't think Obama is a racist, but it's not like Beck made a death threat.
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colorofchange.org has collected 75,000 signatures. They contacted sponsors and 7 have dropped beck.
It seems many people disagree with Becks' statement "Obama is a racist with a deep seeded hatred of white people".
please link that quote 240 I searched it and couldnt find anything...beck hasnt been the same since he was on cnn i dont get a chance to watch his show very often as he comes on early these days but from what ive seen i didnt like.
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please link that quote 240 I searched it and couldnt find anything...beck hasnt been the same since he was on cnn i dont get a chance to watch his show very often as he comes on early these days but from what ive seen i didnt like.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html
thanks hugo
I gotta say i dont really think beck is that far off on this from the rev. wright thing to playing the race card throughout the campaign to his wifes thesis in college. I mean I dont think I would go out and call the man a racist but he does definitly seem to have some deal with the white culture this may just be something against the main stream culture and its simply that the 2 coincide but like I said I dont think beck is to far off here.
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thanks hugo
I gotta say i dont really think beck is that far off on this from the rev. wright thing to playing the race card throughout the campaign to his wifes thesis in college. I mean I dont think I would go out and call the man a racist but he does definitly seem to have some deal with the white culture this may just be something against the main stream culture and its simply that the 2 coincide but like I said I dont think beck is to far off here.
Obama has condemned Wright's positions. that's the difference.
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Obama has condemned Wright's positions. that's the difference.
after sitting in his church for years, after it was brought up, after public pressure...has his wife apologized for hers? has he apologized for his wifes?
youre a bigger tool then I thought if you really by that shit 240 thats nothing more then a political move to cover his ass.
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thanks hugo
I gotta say i dont really think beck is that far off on this from the rev. wright thing to playing the race card throughout the campaign to his wifes thesis in college. I mean I dont think I would go out and call the man a racist but he does definitly seem to have some deal with the white culture this may just be something against the main stream culture and its simply that the 2 coincide but like I said I dont think beck is to far off here.
Dude was raised by a white family, raised in white culture and is half white. You can't be serious? Maybe he has a problem with factions of white culture, like the people who are racist themselves, but who that isn't racist doesn't? You can nail Obama for a lot of things but I don't think this is a legit thing to nail him on. He clearly has deep connections to both cultures and there's nothing wrong with that. People who accuse him of this, like Beck, are just trying to stur shit up.
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Dude was raised by a white family, raised in white culture and is half white. You can't be serious? Maybe he has a problem with factions of white culture, like the people who are racist themselves, but who that isn't racist doesn't? You can nail Obama for a lot of things but I don't think this is a legit thing to nail him on. He clearly has deep connections to both cultures and there's nothing wrong with that. People who accuse him of this, like Beck, are just trying to stur shit up.
again I said I wouldnt have called him a racist but like I said I think its pretty clear that obama has had or does have some problem with white culture or main stream culture. I dont think thats a far stretch here hugo and I think you would have to agree. His wife obviously does as well per her thesis paper, him sitting in rev. wrights church for what 15yrs doesnt exactly say much for his views on whites either.
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after sitting in his church for years, after it was brought up, after public pressure...has his wife apologized for hers? has he apologized for his wifes?
youre a bigger tool then I thought if you really by that shit 240 thats nothing more then a political move to cover his ass.
i believe obama only attended that church for political connections. I dont think he attended all that much while a member.
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again I said I wouldnt have called him a racist but like I said I think its pretty clear that obama has had or does have some problem with white culture or main stream culture. I dont think thats a far stretch here hugo and I think you would have to agree. His wife obviously does as well per her thesis paper, him sitting in rev. wrights church for what 15yrs doesnt exactly say much for his views on whites either.
I don't think that's clear at all. And you said Beck wasn't far off. Beck and others saying this are just stirring shit. They say this because they want whites to turn on Obama. non racist whites have no problem with blacks until they get clued in that the person hates whites, then it's like, oh yea, well fuck you too. So it's clear what's going on here, you all are playing for the racial division. I fucking hate it when Al Sharpton and Jesse do it. I'm going to call it out when the likes of fucking Beck do it too. And Tony, you shouldn't think Beck is even close on this. Beck is being a dirty rotten scoundrel with this, period.
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besides, what Tony did here was change the subject.
beck's accusations of obama have cost him major sponsors.
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I don't think that's clear at all. And you said Beck wasn't far off. Beck and others saying this are just stirring shit. They say this because they want whites to turn on Obama. non racist whites have no problem with blacks until they get clued in that the person hates whites, then it's like, oh yea, well fuck you too. So it's clear what's going on here, you all are playing for the racial division. I fucking hate it when Al Sharpton and Jesse do it. I'm going to call it out when the likes of fucking Beck do it too. And Tony, you shouldn't think Beck is even close on this. Beck is being a dirty rotten scoundrel with this, period.
agreed althought you maybe taking it a tad far with he wants whites to turn against obama...
Like I said I wouldnt call obama racist but to say that he doesnt have some grudge against white culture or main stream culture is pretty ignorant. Its obvious that at least to some degree has some problem with either or both cultures.
LOL obama played the race card as well many times during the campaign...
Do you believe that there is no reason why somebody would question obamas views on white or main stream culture given his past and his wife?
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Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.
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So, he hates his own mother?
Only an idiot would make such a claim.
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Obama has condemned Wright's positions. that's the difference.
Ha,ha,ha,ha,YEAH after 20 years and after he was FORCED to because Wright made an ass of himself in front of the press club.Obama says he never heard ANY of that in 20 years of Sundays.Not only is Obama a racist but hes a liar as well.By the way,a PROVEN liar with his lie anout the AARP the other day.
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I used to listen to Beck but he yells and whines too much these days. I liked him better on CNN.
I don't think Obama is racist...but he identifies with traditional black culture, was a long time member of a curch led by a black liberation theologist and was a champion of black causes/issues even though he is bi-racial abandoned by his African father. He married a black woman who was also very active with these issues, with a degree in African American studies and a thesis "Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black Community".
None of these things mean he is racist, but he certainly chose to be deeply involved in issues surrounding the black community.
I also heard him speak on reparations once, he said that he is not in favor of reparations currently but thinks the civil rights movement and the surrounding legal decisions did not go far enough. He's also said he was a continued advocate of affirmative action.
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Ben Stein lost his New York Times gig too. He feels it's becasue he was critical of Obama the last few months.
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The advertisers did not leave FOX entirely. They simply allocated their dollars to other shows on the network. Essentially, these other shows will be subsidizing Beck's show. Sounds sort of *socialist* if you ask me. The irony! :)
What I'm wondering is, will Beck's show now be "Less commercials, more bawwing"?
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The advertisers did not leave FOX entirely. They simply allocated their dollars to other shows on the network. Essentially, these other shows will be subsidizing Beck's show. Sounds sort of *socialist* if you ask me. The irony! :)
What I'm wondering is, will Beck's show now be "Less commercials, more bawwing"?
That doesn't mean they're going to like it. also it can't look good for him when others at fox are questioning his program there.
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The advertisers did not leave FOX entirely. They simply allocated their dollars to other shows on the network. Essentially, these other shows will be subsidizing Beck's show. Sounds sort of *socialist* if you ask me. The irony! :)
What I'm wondering is, will Beck's show now be "Less commercials, more bawwing"?
7 sponsors so far.
we'll see if FOX keeps subsidizing his show when 17, 27, or 37 sponsors leave.
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I used to listen to Beck but he yells and whines too much these days. I liked him better on CNN.
I don't think Obama is racist...but he identifies with traditional black culture, was a long time member of a curch led by a black liberation theologist and was a champion of black causes/issues even though he is bi-racial abandoned by his African father. He married a black woman who was also very active with these issues, with a degree in African American studies and a thesis "Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black Community".
None of these things mean he is racist, but he certainly chose to be deeply involved in issues surrounding the black community.
I also heard him speak on reparations once, he said that he is not in favor of reparations currently but thinks the civil rights movement and the surrounding legal decisions did not go far enough. He's also said he was a continued advocate of affirmative action.
shoot if I had to have another poster speak on my behalf it would be you, your posts and my views often seem to coincide.
as for the bold nothing like fighting racism with racism...ironic isnt it?
this post is more to the end i was trying to go just more articulate ;D
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Obama says he never heard ANY of that in 20 years of Sundays.Not only is Obama a racist but hes a liar as well.
Intellectuals attend church for networking reasons, not to listen to what's being said.
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Lol, i think i might tune in to see if he says anything. Funny how he did a complete 180 from his time at hln
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Intellectuals attend church for networking reasons, not to listen to what's being said.
C'mon Tre you are smarter than this. You honestly believe he attended the church for that many years and never listened to anything being said?
If so, just take away the whole "church" aspect and lets just say for the sake of argument it had been a weekly "Neighborhood enrichment program/seminar" that Obama attended for 20 years where Wright said the exact same things. Honestly, would your opinion be different?
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While I don't know if he has a deep seated hatred for whites, I think it is patently obvious he does not care for whites. If I spent 20 years at an anti black KKK church as a half black person, what would that make me? He is either ashamed of being half white or only uses his mixed racial identity as a springboard to have credibility with non black voters.
He does not identify with his half white ancestry in the least; He even changed his name from Barry to Barak.
Don't even get me started on his wife.
I dont agree with Beck entirely, but what he said is not outrageous in the least.
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C'mon Tre you are smarter than this. You honestly believe he attended the church for that many years and never listened to anything being said?
If so, just take away the whole "church" aspect and lets just say for the sake of argument it had been a weekly "Neighborhood enrichment program/seminar" that Obama attended for 20 years where Wright said the exact same things. Honestly, would your opinion be different?
From Newsweek:
For any spiritually minded, up-wardly mobile African-American living in Chicago in the mid-1980s, the Trinity United Church of Christ was—and still is—the place to be. That's what drew Oprah Winfrey, a recent Chicago transplant, to the church in 1984. She was eager to bond with the movers and shakers in her new hometown's black community. But she also admired Trinity United's ambitious outreach work with the poor, and she took pride in upholding her Southern grandmother's legacy of involvement with traditional African-American houses of worship. Winfrey was a member of Trinity United from 1984 to 1986, and she continued to attend off and on into the early to the mid-1990s. But then she stopped. A major reason—but by no means the only reason—was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
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If Oprah had built a root system there and I've got huge aspirations, then I'm certainly going to consider attending as well.
People are acting like Wright preached the same rhetoric week after week, which I highly doubt to be the case. Hell, not even the Mormons do that. In 20 years - assuming he never missed a Sunday - Obama would've been exposed to 1000 different sermons and probably remembers the content of maybe a small handful. People with intelligent and active minds don't have time to listen to fairy tales, primarily because they've got better things to think about.
Obama used that church for its intended purpose and now he's moved on.
I don't believe that Obama or Cheney actually hates America. They both just know that most Americans are unintelligent suckers and have exploited that for personal gain and for the benefit of their friends as well.
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While I don't know if he has a deep seated hatred for whites, I think it is patently obvious he does not care for whites. If I spent 20 years at an anti black KKK church as a half black person, what would that make me? He is either ashamed of being half white or only uses his mixed racial identity as a springboard to have credibility with non black voters.
He does not identify with his half white ancestry in the least; He even changed his name from Barry to Barak.
Don't even get me started on his wife.
I dont agree with Beck entirely, but what he said is not outrageous in the least.
*yawn*
If you sat in the 'KKK church', but did not agree with what was spoken and didn't discriminate against anyone because of race, then it would make you nothing more than a guy who attended that particular church. Attendance does not equal endorsement, despite what the pigeonholers say.
He's proud of being an American and he's proud of being an American of color who has risen to the most powerful seat in the world...something which makes him even *prouder* to be American.
Truth.
Beck is entitled to his opinion, but the inanity of such a remark cannot be disputed.
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colorofchange.org has collected 75,000 signatures. They contacted sponsors and 7 have dropped beck.
It seems many people disagree with Becks' statement "Obama is a racist with a deep seeded hatred of white people".
"White people will do you like that". from DIckheads book.
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*yawn*
If you sat in the 'KKK church', but did not agree with what was spoken and didn't discriminate against anyone because of race, then it would make you nothing more than a guy who attended that particular church. Attendance does not equal endorsement, despite what the pigeonholers say.
He's proud of being an American and he's proud of being an American of color who has risen to the most powerful seat in the world...something which makes him even *prouder* to be American.
Truth.
Beck is entitled to his opinion, but the inanity of such a remark cannot be disputed.
Can you give me an example of ANY human being on earth,that attends a church for twenty years without believing what the church teaches,unless hes forced to do so.Then tell me if you dont believe in the man doing the preaching,why have him baptise your kids,why quote him in your book[the title comes from one of Wrights sermons],why listen to his sermons on headphones as you fall asleep.Come on,the guy believed in what Wright taught and stood by him UNTILL Wright acted like an idiot in front of the national press club.
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*yawn*
If you sat in the 'KKK church', but did not agree with what was spoken and didn't discriminate against anyone because of race, then it would make you nothing more than a guy who attended that particular church. Attendance does not equal endorsement, despite what the pigeonholers say.
He's proud of being an American and he's proud of being an American of color who has risen to the most powerful seat in the world...something which makes him even *prouder* to be American.
Truth.
Beck is entitled to his opinion, but the inanity of such a remark cannot be disputed.
LOL you have got to be fucking kidding me. If Barry was white and attended some ultra right wing Christian fundamentalist redneck racist church for 20 years and named the pastor of the church as his spiritual adviser, you would have a conniption fit, and theres no way he becomes president. Being part of an ignorant, racist community for 20 years makes you by proxy a racist. Any other interpretation is completely moronic and out of touch with reality.
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LOL you have got to be fucking kidding me. If Barry was white and attended some ultra right wing Christian fundamentalist redneck racist church for 20 years and named the pastor of the church as his spiritual adviser, you would have a conniption fit, and theres no way he becomes president. Being part of an ignorant, racist community for 20 years makes you by proxy a racist. Any other interpretation is completely moronic and out of touch with reality.
Absolutely not.
I love the propaganda-munchers' love affair with the term 'spiritual advisor'. So what?
Religion - like politics - is a business and it's safe to say that the two go hand-in-hand. Obama is a savvy businessman and that's why he chose that particular church in the first place.
We've agreed that people should 'pretty much' be able to worship as they please in America. Even if a church leader's beliefs aren't mainstream enough for public consumption, so long as it doesn't affect the work (at their real jobs) of the members, it's just not a big deal.
The problem is that you're putting too much stock in 'religion', period, instead of focusing on the political machine which brought Obama to prominence in the first place.
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You are totally missing the point and are either letting your blind love of Obama cloud your judgement, or your just an idiot.
If I went to a radical Islamic Mosque that preached terrorism, the destruction of America and Israel and that praised the 911 attacks and I attended that Mosque for 20 years and designated the Imam as my spirtual advisor, would you be stupid enough to think that I didn't agree with the message being preached at that Mosque?
How is it propaganda? Its truth- Its fact and its reality.
By your warped point of view, I could attend a local cross burning with the KKK and watch effiagies of blacks hung from trees-- BUT! I could then claim I didn't believe in the hatred being spewed in my face for 20 years-- I just wanted to make sure I got the racist redneck vote. ::)
Religion is NOT a business and while it does go hand in hand with politics to an extent, you dont hang around with racists and ignorant hate mongers for 20 years and have the leader of the hate mongers be your spiritual advisor unless you believe in what is being preached. Plain and Simple.
We've agreed that people should 'pretty much' be able to worship as they please in America. Even if a church leader's beliefs aren't mainstream enough for public consumption, so long as it doesn't affect the work (at their real jobs) of the members, it's just not a big deal.
^BULLSHIT. What we have decided in this country, is that if your the right color or ethnic group, then you can worship as you please and its not a big deal. One of the big reasons Romney didn't win the republican ticket is because he is mormon-- Theres no way he would win the election.
What normal people should find disturbing, even if your interpretation is correct, is that Obama would associate with such slime for 20 years just to get elected. Its politics as usual, pander to whoever can get you elected and lie your ass off for votes. Doesn't seem like much hope and change to me.
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LOL you have got to be fucking kidding me. If Barry was white and attended some ultra right wing Christian fundamentalist redneck racist church for 20 years and named the pastor of the church as his spiritual adviser, you would have a conniption fit, and theres no way he becomes president. Being part of an ignorant, racist community for 20 years makes you by proxy a racist. Any other interpretation is completely moronic and out of touch with reality.
Case closed. GW - as usual, you nail these posts.
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Can you give me an example of ANY human being on earth,that attends a church for twenty years without believing what the church teaches,unless hes forced to do so.Then tell me if you dont believe in the man doing the preaching,why have him baptise your kids,why quote him in your book[the title comes from one of Wrights sermons],why listen to his sermons on headphones as you fall asleep.Come on,the guy believed in what Wright taught and stood by him UNTILL Wright acted like an idiot in front of the national press club.
EXACTLY!!!
I've known people to leave a church, simply because they didn't like the type of music that the choir sang. Yet, we're supposed to believe that Barack Obama holds none of the ideas, touted by Wright, during the 20 years that the President attended his church.
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7 sponsors so far.
we'll see if FOX keeps subsidizing his show when 17, 27, or 37 sponsors leave.
What if! What if!
The story of your life.
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You are totally missing the point and are either letting your blind love of Obama cloud your judgement, or your just an idiot.
Well, we know that's not it! lol
If I went to a radical Islamic Mosque that preached terrorism, the destruction of America and Israel and that praised the 911 attacks and I attended that Mosque for 20 years and designated the Imam as my spirtual advisor, would you be stupid enough to think that I didn't agree with the message being preached at that Mosque?
How is it propaganda? Its truth- Its fact and its reality.
By your warped point of view, I could attend a local cross burning with the KKK and watch effiagies of blacks hung from trees-- BUT! I could then claim I didn't believe in the hatred being spewed in my face for 20 years-- I just wanted to make sure I got the racist redneck vote. ::)
Absolutely.
You want me to judge you by the company you keep, but I'm instead choosing to judge you by YOUR words and by YOUR actions.
If you're a local businessman and/or politician and almost everything you've ever done has improved your community fairly for all its people, then I honestly will not care where you spend your Sunday mornings.
Am I a unique individual? Yes. But is my way of thinking where the country needs to be headed? Absolutely.
Religion is NOT a business...
Wrong.
Until you can accept that reality, I'm afraid that we won't be able to debate. Seriously, if you don't recognize that religion is not only business, but BIG business, then you're not going to be able to move forward in a productive discussion.
^BULLSHIT. What we have decided in this country, is that if your the right color or ethnic group, then you can worship as you please and its not a big deal. One of the big reasons Romney didn't win the republican ticket is because he is mormon-- Theres no way he would win the election.
The Mormons are using their position on gay marriage to gain support within the mainstream Christian community. They've run a very carefully scripted PR campaign for the past 25 years and now, people are a lot less concerned about their doctrine than previously.
I could go into more details, but LDS, Inc. is an extremely well-run business, one which takes advantage of the free/cheap labor at its disposal, just like every other business wants to.
Only the perfect Republican was going to be able to defeat Cheney-Bush in the last election, and as both Drkaje and I have stated, the Republicans really did not want to win it, given where the economy was headed.
If they're smart, they'll keep Romney off the ticket in 2012 and he'd be the odds-on favorite to win the White House in 2016. That is my prediction.
What normal people should find disturbing, even if your interpretation is correct, is that Obama would associate with such slime for 20 years just to get elected. Its politics as usual, pander to whoever can get you elected and lie your ass off for votes. Doesn't seem like much hope and change to me.
RIGHT. Obama is a politician's politician, even moreso than Hillary Clinton, it would seem. If you look at all his moves from 2004 up to the election, Obama did *everything* necessary to get elected. Now, Cheney-Bush definitely helped him, no question, but if we'd been in prosperous times, I highly doubt he would've run in 2008. Clinton would've been the nominee, and she would've been defeated in a pretty close election by Tom Ridge or Dick Cheney.
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From Newsweek:
For any spiritually minded, up-wardly mobile African-American living in Chicago in the mid-1980s, the Trinity United Church of Christ was—and still is—the place to be. That's what drew Oprah Winfrey, a recent Chicago transplant, to the church in 1984. She was eager to bond with the movers and shakers in her new hometown's black community. But she also admired Trinity United's ambitious outreach work with the poor, and she took pride in upholding her Southern grandmother's legacy of involvement with traditional African-American houses of worship. Winfrey was a member of Trinity United from 1984 to 1986, and she continued to attend off and on into the early to the mid-1990s. But then she stopped. A major reason—but by no means the only reason—was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
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If Oprah had built a root system there and I've got huge aspirations, then I'm certainly going to consider attending as well.
People are acting like Wright preached the same rhetoric week after week, which I highly doubt to be the case. Hell, not even the Mormons do that. In 20 years - assuming he never missed a Sunday - Obama would've been exposed to 1000 different sermons and probably remembers the content of maybe a small handful. People with intelligent and active minds don't have time to listen to fairy tales, primarily because they've got better things to think about.
Obama used that church for its intended purpose and now he's moved on.
I don't believe that Obama or Cheney actually hates America. They both just know that most Americans are unintelligent suckers and have exploited that for personal gain and for the benefit of their friends as well.
Tre, so you honestly believe that if he witnessed that whack-job Wright hopping around and yelling "Goddamn the United States!" that he wouldn't have taken notice? Or that his "connections" he met wouldn't have heard that and have it be a topic of conversation as they sipped wine and had some bre? There is no way on earth that he attended, even casually and sleeping as it appears you believe, and didn't know this was the kind of bullshit that ole "Reverand" Wright was spewing. Utter nonsense.
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Ha,ha,ha,ha,YEAH after 20 years and after he was FORCED to because Wright made an ass of himself in front of the press club.Obama says he never heard ANY of that in 20 years of Sundays.Not only is Obama a racist but hes a liar as well.By the way,a PROVEN liar with his lie anout the AARP the other day.
Yes.thisis tru!anyone can se that Obama IS aliar anout EVERYTHING!
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Tre, so you honestly believe that if he witnessed that whack-job Wright hopping around and yelling "Goddamn the United States!" that he wouldn't have taken notice? Or that his "connections" he met wouldn't have heard that and have it be a topic of conversation as they sipped wine and had some bre? There is no way on earth that he attended, even casually and sleeping as it appears you believe, and didn't know this was the kind of bullshit that ole "Reverand" Wright was spewing. Utter nonsense.
We definately know that his wife got the message loud and clear.
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We definately know that his wife got the message loud and clear.
Women tend to listen more in church than their husbands or boyfriends do.
Tre, so you honestly believe that if he witnessed that whack-job Wright hopping around and yelling "Goddamn the United States!" that he wouldn't have taken notice? Or that his "connections" he met wouldn't have heard that and have it be a topic of conversation as they sipped wine and had some bre? There is no way on earth that he attended, even casually and sleeping as it appears you believe, and didn't know this was the kind of bullshit that ole "Reverand" Wright was spewing. Utter nonsense.
I'm not an Obama guy by any stretch, but I believe that much of what went on in the church in terms of church teachings was ignored, missed completely, or forgotten by Obama not long after the words were uttered.
Not bragging, but I know a lot of intelligent people who attend church for reasons other than to get a 'spiritual fill-up'.
When you've got an active mind or when you have a mind that's focused on big things, you're going to miss a lot of the little stuff that's used to occupy small minds, such as church talk.
That's a reality that likely runs counter to any thought you've ever had before, yet it's entirely reasonable once you think it through.
I still attend church from time-to-time, because my daughter's mom takes her there. I might take a note or two, but for the most part, I'm surfing the internet and writing out work plans on my iPhone.
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I usuallu just check out the women around me if I have to go to church.
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shoot if I had to have another poster speak on my behalf it would be you, your posts and my views often seem to coincide.
as for the bold nothing like fighting racism with racism...ironic isnt it?
this post is more to the end i was trying to go just more articulate ;D
Just so you are aware, ...affirmative action isn't racism, and it's biggest beneficiaries thus far have been white women.
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He does not identify with his half white ancestry in the least; He even changed his name from Barry to Barak.
Actually, his name is Barack. His name was changed to Barry as a child. As a man... he re-claimed his name.
Just like johnjohn did to become John F Kennedy Jr. Just as I'm sure my neice who I call Candy (cause she's just sooo sweet) will reclaim her name to be called Candace, when she grows up to become a woman.
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LOL you have got to be fucking kidding me. If Barry was white and attended some ultra right wing Christian fundamentalist redneck racist church for 20 years and named the pastor of the church as his spiritual adviser, you would have a conniption fit, and theres no way he becomes president. Being part of an ignorant, racist community for 20 years makes you by proxy a racist. Any other interpretation is completely moronic and out of touch with reality.
If you apply your thinking to Billy Graham and his flock... what does that say about previous presidents?
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Religion is NOT a business
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^BULLSHIT. What we have decided in this country, is that if your the right color or ethnic group, then you can worship as you please and its not a big deal. One of the big reasons Romney didn't win the republican ticket is because he is mormon-- Theres no way he would win the election.
How does that explain John F. Kennedy Jr? People said because Kennedy was Catholic, Washington would be controlled by the Vatican, ...that he'd be taking his marching orders from the Pope. Didn't happen did it?
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Just so you are aware, ...affirmative action isn't racism, and it's biggest beneficiaries thus far have been white women.
LOL ahh yes it is in fact racism and fine you want to throw in sexism too thats fine as well...legally discriminating towards a person based on sex or race, what would you call that jag?
Its racism/sexism darlin and there isnt any left wing liberal nut job spin you can put on it plain and simple...
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How does that explain John F. Kennedy Jr? People said because Kennedy was Catholic, Washington would be controlled by the Vatican, ...that he'd be taking his marching orders from the Pope. Didn't happen did it?
JFK was a war hero. Obama was a community agitator. Big difference.
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LOL ahh yes it is in fact racism and fine you want to throw in sexism too thats fine as well...legally discriminating towards a person based on sex or race, what would you call that jag?
Its racism/sexism darlin and there isnt any left wing liberal nut job spin you can put on it plain and simple...
It is called levelling the playing field and addressing the inequities and injustices of the past, that have created issues that still effect and impact us today. There is nothing wrong with affirmative action as a concept. If there is any fault to be found, ...it is in it's implementation. Medicine is a good thing, however if it is prescribed in incorrect or inadequate dosages, we might experience complications.
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JFK was a war hero. Obama was a community agitator organizer. Big difference.
Fixed.
So what you're saying is that it is more honourable to succeed in killing other people abroad,
...than it is to succeed in uplifting and enriching the lives of your fellow countrymen at home?
Both JFK and Obama are heros in their own way, ...and you have no need to fear either one.
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It is called levelling the playing field and addressing the inequities and injustices of the past, that have created issues that still effect and impact us today. There is nothing wrong with affirmative action as a concept. If there is any fault to be found, ...it is in it's implementation. Medicine is a good thing, however if it is prescribed in incorrect or inadequate dosages, we might experience complications.
im not saying anything of whether it was needed or not but the SIMPLE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT IS RACISM/SEXISM and that you cannot deny.
Logically you cannot justify racism with racism or sexism with sexism thats circular logic
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Bobby Jindal changed his name as well. Many people change their name in an attempt to assimilate into a culture, so no dice. Just sayin'.
He does not identify with his half white ancestry in the least; He even changed his name from Barry to Barak.
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further more the concept of affirmative action is ignorant it does not address the root of the problem only the symptoms. Medicine in general is meant to cure the illness not lessen the symptoms which is what AA does.
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further more the concept of affirmative action is ignorant it does not address the root of the problem only the symptoms. Medicine in general is meant to cure the illness not lessen the symptoms which is what AA does.
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This right up there with Whorewell's "Religion is not a business"
Big Pharma isn't interested in curing anything. To do so would put them out of business. They treat symptoms.
AA treats the symptoms, as well as eradicates the roots. Something so firmly rooted and entrenched does take time to tackle. It took well over 400 years for that tree to grow. Without dynamite, ...it's going to take a while to get at those roots.
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This right up there with Whorewell's "Religion is not a business"
Big Pharma isn't interested in curing anything. To do so would put them out of business. They treat symptoms.
AA treats the symptoms, as well as eradicates the roots. Something so firmly rooted and entrenched does take time to tackle. It took well over 400 years for that tree to grow. Without dynamite, ...it's going to take a while to get at those roots.
how does AA even attempt to treat the cause?
you need programs that are designed to bring biases to ppls attention alot of ppl are biased without even knowing it.
You need programs that will educate ppl not force them and in turn cause resentment...again justifying racism/sexism with racism/sexism isnt the answer.
How do you think those ppl felt before AA when they got turned down for a Job, pretty shitty and helpless...
well how do you think those ppl felt after AA when they got turned down for a job, just the same
If youre in agreeance that its racism/sexism then the arguement is over b/c like I said you cant justify racism with racism or sexism with sexism shit just logically doesnt work out
so please present your arguement as to why this isnt racist/sexist or just drop the AA thing and look for alternative options like ive presented.
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The advertisers did not leave FOX entirely. They simply allocated their dollars to other shows on the network. Essentially, these other shows will be subsidizing Beck's show. Sounds sort of *socialist* if you ask me. The irony! :)
What I'm wondering is, will Beck's show now be "Less commercials, more bawwing"?
The term for that in broadcasting is "sustaining".
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This entire thread got derailed somewhere- this whole debate is retarded.
On one side you have those ignoring the obvious and on the other, you have those pointing out the obvious.
Liberals love to complicate the most simple and straight forward truths to rationalize their hero's misdeeds.
Lets just agree to disagree. 2+2=4... But if you want to believe 2+2=5, thats your prerogative.
PS- to whomever pointed out that Bobby Jindal changed his name, your comparison is fallacious. Bobby Jindal never sat in a Church or Mosque that I am aware of, for 20 years where the entirety of the message being preached was anti-american, anti white and pro- terrorist. Jindal has been staunchly pro American since he entered politics and changing his name to match up better with American culture ( Bobby is a common American name, outside of Baraka from Mortal Combat, I cant say I have ever heard any name comparable to Barak) is a far cry from changing your name to do exactly the opposite.
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Religion is a big joke to me and I'd bet money that Obama feels the same way privately. So, where he 'sat for 20 years' is about as important to him today as what time his last bowel movement was.
Affirmative action came at a time when it was needed in order to open many doors that had always been closed. If it had never existed, our nation would be a lot less productive, meaning less money and lower standards of living for all. It was a good thing.
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Bobby Jindal changed his name as well. Many people change their name in an attempt to assimilate into a culture, so no dice. Just sayin'.
what was his original name?
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I understand the concept of affirmative action and understand the perceived need. However, it should be stopped for a host of reasons. The country has changed and we have a lot of mixed race individuals.
I hear what Tre is saying about religion being business...sort of, its not supposed to be but thats the way it works for some people (networking)...but being in that kind of church for 20 yrs is not excusable. It means an exceptance of some degree of black liberation theology, which is an extreme position. I think people attending other extreme religious services are odd too. I think Obama is very smart and very ambitious. I agree that he did everything he could to set up his senate seat and presidency. I had a problem with our president being in Rev Wright's church.
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Religion is a big joke to me and I'd bet money that Obama feels the same way privately. So, where he 'sat for 20 years' is about as important to him today as what time his last bowel movement was.
Affirmative action came at a time when it was needed in order to open many doors that had always been closed. If it had never existed, our nation would be a lot less productive, meaning less money and lower standards of living for all. It was a good thing.
not disputing that fact, whether it was a good thing or not is debateable though
fact of the matter though is AA is racist and sexist and logically you cannot justify one bad action with the same bad action. Racism/sexism is bad correct?, well AA while it may have been needed was bad b/c it discriminated on the basis or race and sex...
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Your right Tre and although I think its wrong to discriminate against one to promote another, I think there was a strong case to be made for AA at the time.
However, I believe current AA practices do not address root cultural or family dysfunction (which is now a much greater issue than any institutional racism). AA now fosters racism and race based anger. Just as blacks were rightfully upset about discrimination practices, non-minority kids today shouldn't have to suffer because of bad things that happened in this nation's past. Minorities don't have to carry the weight of thinking they were promoted because of race, not ability. They won't be seen by others as having an unfair advantage in the workplace either. We have to be forward thinking. We have a very different nation than 50yrs ago, both in our thinking and in our makeup. Pure caucasians are in decreasing #s every year. There are more mixed race and minorities on every census.
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Walmart, a key bank with GMAC Financial Services, Best Buy, CVS, Travelocity, Re-Bath, Broadview Security and Allergan have all backed out, bringing the list of former Glenn Beck advertisers to Twenty
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This entire thread got derailed somewhere- this whole debate is retarded.
On one side you have those ignoring the obvious and on the other, you have those pointing out the obvious.
Liberals love to complicate the most simple and straight forward truths to rationalize their hero's misdeeds.
Lets just agree to disagree. 2+2=4... But if you want to believe 2+2=5, thats your prerogative.
2+2 does equal 5 (when 2=2.5) :D
PS- to whomever pointed out that Bobby Jindal changed his name, your comparison is fallacious. Bobby Jindal never sat in a Church or Mosque that I am aware of, for 20 years where the entirety of the message being preached was anti-american, anti white and pro- terrorist. Jindal has been staunchly pro American since he entered politics and changing his name to match up better with American culture ( Bobby is a common American name, outside of Baraka from Mortal Combat, I cant say I have ever heard any name comparable to Barak) is a far cry from changing your name to do exactly the opposite.
Bobby never sat in a mosque preaching antiamericanism, he was too busy doing excorcisms and talking to ghosts.
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Walmart, a key bank with GMAC Financial Services, Best Buy, CVS, Travelocity, Re-Bath, Broadview Security and Allergan have all backed out, bringing the list of former Glenn Beck advertisers to Twenty
Beck lost Walmart?! If Beck loses the Walmart crowd... there goes his whole audience! lol
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what was his original name?
His birth cert reads Barack Hussien Obama II. The announcement in the paper of his birth lists the same name for his father.
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His birth cert reads Barack Hussien Obama II. The announcement in the paper of his birth lists the same name for his father.
Wouldn't that then make him Barack Hussein Obama III? :D
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Wouldn't that then make him Barack Hussein Obama III? :D
no, Obama's birth cert reads II. Did I get confused on something? nevermind, you were thinking because I said the same name that his father was II also. I meant his first name being the same.
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Beck lost Walmart?! If Beck loses the Walmart crowd... there goes his whole audience! lol
If Maddow lost P-FLAG she wouldnt have two listeners.On a more positive note,Olberman doesnt have to worry about loosing viewers,he already doesnt have any.
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boo fuckin hoo
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Walmart, a key bank with GMAC Financial Services, Best Buy, CVS, Travelocity, Re-Bath, Broadview Security and Allergan have all backed out, bringing the list of former Glenn Beck advertisers to Twenty
The truth:
Color of Change is claiming that WalMart, CVS, BestBuy, and Allergan have "pulled" their ads. It appears that only Allergan has actually confirmed this. BestBuy has not, and strangely, WalMart and CVS were not even sponsors of Glenn's to begin with!
http://defendglenn.com/advertisers.php
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The truth:
Color of Change is claiming that WalMart, CVS, BestBuy, and Allergan have "pulled" their ads. It appears that only Allergan has actually confirmed this. BestBuy has not, and strangely, WalMart and CVS were not even sponsors of Glenn's to begin with!
http://defendglenn.com/advertisers.php
Well that's interesting.....crickets chirping.
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Well that's interesting.....crickets chirping.
that happens when liberals are caught telling lies.
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let's get to the bottom of this