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(CNN) -- Two more churches in Malaysia were firebombed Sunday, bringing the total to six since a court ruled that non-Muslims can use the word "Allah" as a term for God.
No one has been hurt in the attacks, which began Friday. They follow a high court's ruling that Christians can use the word "Allah" in literature printed in the country's official language, Malay.
In Malay, the word for God is "Allah," as it is in Arabic.
But many in the predominantly Muslim country, including the government, believe the word should be exclusive to Islam.
The government has banned the use of the word in Christian literature, saying it is likely to confuse Muslims and draw them to Christianity.
It has also appealed the high court's ruling.
The bombings may be an attempt to intimidate judges to overturn the decision, said the Rev. Hermen Shastri, general secretary of the Council of Churches in Malaysia.
Political leaders from a range of parties deplored the attacks on the churches.
Prime Minister Najib Razak visited one of the targeted churches on Saturday and called for calm.
Emphasizing his resolve to maintain ethnic and racial harmony in society, Najib also said the Muslim faith prohibits insulting other religions or destroying their sanctuaries.
In recent months, authorities in Malaysia have seized more than 20,000 Bibles because they refer to God as Allah.
The seizures have fed fears among minority groups, which see signs of encroaching Islamic fundamentalism in the predominantly Muslim but multiracial country.
A Roman Catholic weekly newspaper, The Herald, challenged the ban in court after the government threatened to revoke the newspaper's license for using the word in its Malay edition.
Hearings on the case went on for two years before the high court's ruling last week.
Malaysia has some of the tightest government restrictions on religion in the world, according to a study published last month by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. The country was among the 10 most restrictive countries out of 175 in the survey.
But it had relatively low levels of social tension between religious groups, the report found. The Pew study covered events from mid-2006 to mid-2008.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/10/malaysia.church.bombings/index.html
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What do muslims in this forum have to say about this?
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What do muslims in this forum have to say about this?
Is there one?
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There are several muslims in this forum...
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What do muslims in this forum have to say about this?
The apologists will justify it and give us some rambling, incoherent speech about Islam being a peaceful religion or some other shit like that.
If you're in the religious minority living in a predominantly Muslim country, you = fucked. And then they have the balls to cry intolerance and oppression. ::)
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The apologists will justify it and give us some rambling, incoherent speech about Islam being a peaceful religion or some other shit like that.
If you're in the religious minority living in a predominantly Muslim country, you = fucked. And then they have the balls to cry intolerance and oppression. ::)
True. They are false scum living in our countries as parasites!
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The apologists will justify it and give us some rambling, incoherent speech about Islam being a peaceful religion or some other shit like that.
If you're in the religious minority living in a predominantly Muslim country, you = fucked. And then they have the balls to cry intolerance and oppression. ::)
Its time that people start taking the fight to these barbarians in these instances.
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there are crazy christians who will shoot a doctor in church in the name of god.
there are crazy muslims who will suicide bomb US soldiers in baghdad in the name of god.
crazy, fuccked up religious zealouts are the problem, not some book (bible or koran).
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there are crazy christians who will shoot a doctor in church in the name of god.
there are crazy muslims who will suicide bomb US soldiers in baghdad in the name of god.
crazy, fuccked up religious zealouts are the problem, not some book (bible or koran).
::) ::)
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not some book (bible or koran).
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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there are crazy christians who will shoot a doctor in church in the name of god.
there are crazy muslims who will suicide bomb US soldiers in baghdad in the name of god.
crazy, fuccked up religious zealouts are the problem, not some book (bible or koran).
how many doctors have been shot in the name of Christ?
how many ppl have blown themselves up in the name of allah?
try not to be so willingly ignorant ;)
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There are several muslims in this forum...
there are several people who are accused of being apologists. Who are the muslims? I think Islam sucks and this is just yet another dumb and dumber item from them and I get accused of being an apologist and even muslim from time to time... Seriously, I don't know who all the muslims are on this board. I'm curious?
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there are several people who are accused of being apologists. Who are the muslims? I think Islam sucks and this is just yet another dumb and dumber item from them and I get accused of being an apologist and even muslim from time to time... Seriously, I don't know who all the muslims are on this board. I'm curious?
KSA triceps is a muslim if im not mistaken
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hahahaha dude, EVERY RELIGION DOES IT. yes, FOX news gets us all riled up with pics of that shit today, but for many people, the elective war in iraq is nothing more than a christian conquest of an arabian state. mind you, I dont give a shit - if it means lower gas prices and more US bases for defense against future chinese aggression, I'm okay with it - but you can't deny both sides do it.
And for some interesting examples of how this shit has just gone on forever...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
The Crusades were a series of religiously-sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe...to restore Christian control of the Holy Land
If you have some specific numbers of whether more christians or muslims have killed in the name of their holy book, then by all means share them. But so far, I'm seeing everyone does it and they all use their God to justify killing each other.
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KSA triceps is a muslim if im not mistaken
ok, so we have one, with less than 400 posts. Is there more, confirmed that we know about?
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hahahaha dude, EVERY RELIGION DOES IT. yes, FOX news gets us all riled up with pics of that shit today, but for many people, the elective war in iraq is nothing more than a christian conquest of an arabian state. mind you, I dont give a shit - if it means lower gas prices and more US bases for defense against future chinese aggression, I'm okay with it - but you can't deny both sides do it.
And for some interesting examples of how this shit has just gone on forever...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
The Crusades were a series of religiously-sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe...to restore Christian control of the Holy Land
If you have some specific numbers of whether more christians or muslims have killed in the name of their holy book, then by all means share them. But so far, I'm seeing everyone does it and they all use their God to justify killing each other.
ok, 240 is a muslim, we have 2 now :D
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hahahahahhahahahahahhaha yeah right.
I went to Catholic school for 10 years. I grew up thinking masturbation was evil :)
Church is a business that keeps people essentially good when nobody is looking, and gives people hope facing mortality. Personally I believe there is some energy out there which created and owns us, but our feeble brains could never define it.
People from ALL RELIGIONS love war for conquest and profit, and they use the shield of God to justify it for small minded people. :)
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hahahahahhahahahahahhaha yeah right.
I went to Catholic school for 10 years. I grew up thinking masturbation was evil :)
Church is a business that keeps people essentially good when nobody is looking, and gives people hope facing mortality. Personally I believe there is some energy out there which created and owns us, but our feeble brains could never define it.
People from ALL RELIGIONS love war for conquest and profit, and they use the shield of God to justify it for small minded people. :)
terrorist!
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there are crazy christians who will shoot a doctor in church in the name of god.
there are crazy muslims who will suicide bomb US soldiers in baghdad in the name of god.
crazy, fuccked up religious zealouts are the problem, not some book (bible or koran).
Too rational, 240.... Try going on a tirade about how the whole thing is a ruse to keep us invested in the middle east forever and people will listen. :)
Ultimately.... the people killed weren't white so no one cares beyond whatever value tories like this as anti-semitic fodder.
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ok, so we have one, with less than 400 posts. Is there more, confirmed that we know about?
Here's some Muslims/Apologists for you Hugo:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312118.0
I'd add Jag and KSA even though I don't remember them in the above thread. Although they may have posted in it.
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Here's some Muslims/Apologists for you Hugo:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312118.0
I'd add Jag and KSA even though I don't remember them in the above thread. Although they may have posted in it.
not reading the whole thread. It's in G&O too. KSA was already mentioned. Is Jag a muslim or just an accused apologist. I've also been accused many times.
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hahahaha dude, EVERY RELIGION DOES IT. yes, FOX news gets us all riled up with pics of that shit today, but for many people, the elective war in iraq is nothing more than a christian conquest of an arabian state. mind you, I dont give a shit - if it means lower gas prices and more US bases for defense against future chinese aggression, I'm okay with it - but you can't deny both sides do it.
And for some interesting examples of how this shit has just gone on forever...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
The Crusades were a series of religiously-sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe...to restore Christian control of the Holy Land
If you have some specific numbers of whether more christians or muslims have killed in the name of their holy book, then by all means share them. But so far, I'm seeing everyone does it and they all use their God to justify killing each other.
LOL so youre pulling from the crusades to draw a moral equivalency to the muslims of today ::)
this is why youve earned your reputation on here 240 ::)
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Anyone know how many innocents that happened to be Muslim have accidentally been killed in our War on Terror?
I think the score is just about even...
:P
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just as you're somehow appointing yourself qualified to make a judgement as to which of the religion-justified homicide streaks was worse than the other - and you do so without any number to back up your argument!
I say they're both fuct up idiots using God to justify their greed and hatred.
You're saying one's a little worse than the other, mmmm okay.
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LOL so youre pulling from the crusades to draw a moral equivalency to the muslims of today ::)
this is why youve earned your reputation on here 240 ::)
Dead is dead, TT.
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LOL so youre pulling from the crusades to draw a moral equivalency to the muslims of today ::)
this is why youve earned your reputation on here 240 ::)
I love that argument. Completely ignores the fact that the Muslims back then were just as barbaric and violent as the Christians.
You know someone's really reaching when they have to reference events from 700 years ago to make their argument. ::)
There have been over 14,500 documented terrorist attacks since 9/11. There has been one prominent abortion doctor killed in that time span. Good argument.
How many innocents, RPF? The majority of innocents are killed by Muslims. ;)
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Anyone know how many innocents that happened to be Muslim have accidentally been killed in our War on Terror?
I think the score is just about even...
:P
is that in the name of Christ?
hmmm sorry bud not a valid comparison
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I see.... just to be clear, what date are we using as the official starting point for comparing which group of murderous nutbags are more evil? 2003? 2008?
geez, I can't believe i'm missing the patriots losing to argue some silly shit like this. Hey guys, what's wetter.... water or mountain dew? And I don't mean water from 1989, only water from 2005 or after...
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just as you're somehow appointing yourself qualified to make a judgement as to which of the religion-justified homicide streaks was worse than the other - and you do so without any number to back up your argument!
I say they're both fuct up idiots using God to justify their greed and hatred.
You're saying one's a little worse than the other, mmmm okay.
one is certainly worse than the other in this day in time...
youre the jack ass that drew the moral equivalent comparison to christians killing doctors to muslims blowing themselves up...sorry if youre argument doesnt hold water there hoss
muslims have the market cornered in the extremism department these days without a doubt.
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is that in the name of Christ?
hmmm sorry bud not a valid comparison
The Nazis were European.
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I see.... just to be clear, what date are we using as the official starting point for comparing which group of murderous nutbags are more evil? 2003? 2008?
geez, I can't believe i'm missing the patriots losing to argue some silly shit like this. Hey guys, what's wetter.... water or mountain dew? And I don't mean water from 1989, only water from 2005 or after...
LOL sorry i didnt think i needed to put a limit on your moral equivalency bullshit but apparently I do
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I see.... just to be clear, what date are we using as the official starting point for comparing which group of murderous nutbags are more evil? 2003? 2008?
geez, I can't believe i'm missing the patriots losing to argue some silly shit like this. Hey guys, what's wetter.... water or mountain dew? And I don't mean water from 1989, only water from 2005 or after...
I'm doing both. You don't own a laptop? ::)
Your argument holds no water. Referencing the crusades is just reaching as you completely ignore the fact that the Muslims were rampaging around the Middle East at the time, laying waste to everyone in their path. They were just as brutal as the Christians.
The one glaring difference is that most Christians, in this day and age, have moved beyond that while most Muslims haven't.
The Nazis were European.
Hitler wasn't Christian. Hitler believed the Koran's ideologies fell more in line with Nazi ideologies due to the militaristic nature of it.
This thread is a perfect example of the Getbig apologists at work. Completely derailed by those trying to compare it to Christianity 700 years ago. ::)
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What do muslims in this forum have to say about this?
i urge yall to catch this Natty geog documentary
i learned stuff i didn't know...like the extremist kind of islam is called "wahibism" and the saudi govt has spent over 200billion in the last 20 yrs forwarding their ajenda..osama is/ws a wahabi
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The Nazis were European.
did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?
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hahahah okay, somebody please deliver rough estimates on the numbers.
in the last 2000 years, which group has killed more people - crazy ass christians, or crazy ass muslims? (please back up arguments with real data)
thanks!
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did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?
They just wanted people to concentrate better.
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did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?
interesting read:
http://www.theturning.org/folder/nazis.html
Also didn't hey have those back door deals with the Vatican for silent approval? It's been an issue for a long time.
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hahahah okay, somebody please deliver rough estimates on the numbers.
in the last 2000 years, which group has killed more people - crazy ass christians, or crazy ass muslims? (please back up arguments with real data)
thanks!
If you're looking at people killed in the name of Christianity versus people killed in the name of Islam, the numbers are probably similar. Knowing you though you'll argue that anyone killed by a Christian was killed in the name of Christianity.
There have been over 14,500 documented terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims since 9/11. How many documented terrorist attacks have been carried out by Christians in that time span? I mean, it was front page news when one killed an abortion doc so I'm guessing there's not that many.
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Of course many of the Muslim nations are living in the stone age, but it didn't help when our Christian nation invaded their country that was no threat to us, killed their leader because he was no longer useful to us, and killed tens of thousands of innocent people... :-\
Our actions in the Middle East have just increased the problem 10x fold... We're actually giving these fundamentalist nut bags exactly what they need to turn normal Muslim people to their side.
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Of course many of the Muslim nations are living in the stone age, but it didn't help when our Christian nation invaded their country that was no threat to us, killed their leader because he was no longer useful to us, and killed tens of thousands of innocent people... :-\
Our actions in the Middle East have just increased the problem 10x fold... We're actually giving these fundamentalist nut bags exactly what they need to turn normal Muslim people to their side.
You keep saying the USA killed tens of thousands of people. Do you have any documentation of this? You realize that the overwhelming majority of people killed in Iraq/Afghanistan were killed by other Muslims, right? No one told them to start killing each other and it was fomented by *gasp* FOREIGN Muslims, who are no different than us. Although they seem to get a free pass because they're Muslim. ::)
Or are you implying that Muslims, at their very core, are nothing more than barbaric animals? That's what it seems like to me.
Extremism will always be prevalent in the Middle East. With or without us there. They have a laundry list of gripes with the civilized world and will just move on to the next one.
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They just wanted people to concentrate better.
LOL nice straw man did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?
not did they target ppl based on race, creed, religion...did they do so thinking they were doing gods work?
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You keep saying the USA killed tens of thousands of people. Do you have any documentation of this? You realize that the overwhelming majority of people killed in Iraq/Afghanistan were killed by other Muslims, right? No one told them to start killing each other and it was fomented by *gasp* FOREIGN Muslims, who are no different than us. Although they seem to get a free pass because they're Muslim. ::)
Or are you implying that Muslims, at their very core, are nothing more than barbaric animals? That's what it seems like to me.
Extremism will always be prevalent in the Middle East. With or without us there. They have a laundry list of gripes with the civilized world and will just move on to the next one.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html
One of the first attempts to independently estimate the loss of civilian life from the Iraqi war has concluded that at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians may have died because of the U.S. invasion.
Of course I don't have anything to document the exact amount of innocents killed by US forces. :-\
Just one innocent death at the hands of people invading some random country on a whim would be enough to infuriate me beyond return (if it happened to my country)...
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html
Of course I don't have anything to document the exact amount of innocents killed by US forces. :-\
Just one innocent death at the hands of people invading some random country on a whim would be enough to infuriate me beyond return (if it happened to my country)...
Yes, yes. 100,000 died. The USA did not kill 100,000. Most of them died as a result of sectarian violence that was fomented by foreign Muslims who came to Iraq.
It's funny how everyone ignores the fact that the high command of Al Qaeda in Iraq was comprised almost entirely of foreigners. The violence was fomented by FOREIGN Muslims, who have much less regard for the lives of Iraqi civilians than the USA did. They get a free pass because they're Muslim, though. ::)
Thanks for derailing yet another thread, though.
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FOREIGN Muslims, who are no different than us. Although they seem to get a free pass because they're Muslim. ::)
I'm not giving these despicable Animals any kind of pass, if you're referring to me...
Them killing innocents is one thing, my own country killing innocents is another...
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This thread has fuck all to do with Iraq. It has everything to do with Muslims who claim to be tolerant firebombing churches across Malaysia because of their disagreement with a court ruling. ::)
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This thread has fuck all to do with Iraq. It has everything to do with Muslims who claim to be tolerant firebombing churches across Malaysia because of their disagreement with a court ruling. ::)
I was just bringing up the fact that our constant meddling in their affairs hasn't helped things.... You can't deny that can you? ???
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I was just bringing up the fact that our constant meddling in their affairs hasn't helped things.... You can't deny that can you? ???
It hasn't helped but anyone who thinks it's the sole reason for Muslims being violent jihadists is a moron. Their list of gripes with the West is a mile long and when one is taken care of they'll just move to the next. And it doesn't explain why southeast Asian Muslims are spitting images of their Middle Eastern brethren. They have their own agendas and yet they conduct themselves in the same exact manner.
I expect the problem to be amplified exponentially when the West gets off oil and they really sink into poverty.
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It hasn't helped but anyone who thinks it's the sole reason for Muslims being violent jihadists is a moron. Their list of gripes with the West is a mile long and when one is taken care of they'll just move to the next. And it doesn't explain why southeast Asian Muslims are spitting images of their Middle Eastern brethren. They have their own agendas and yet they conduct themselves in the same exact manner.
I expect the problem to be amplified exponentially when the West gets off oil and they really sink into poverty.
We agree on one thing. It will get far worse if we ever get off oil. Maybe that's why we aren't really making any true headway towards energy independence. They have nothing but bodies over there and without nukes we'd have to invade/occupy 4 or 5 countries to secure Israel's existence.
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Sounds like someone is trying to start a religious war between Muslims and Christians
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Why are people still bringing upthe Crusades?
Who cares what happened centuries ago? EARTH TO MORONS, THIS IS NOW. THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS OF TODAY.
Fight oppression or live under it.
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Why are people still bringing upthe Crusades?
Who cares what happened centuries ago? EARTH TO MORONS, THIS IS NOW. THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS OF TODAY.
Fight oppression or live under it.
they never made it out of the middle ages. Maybe there's a reason or more for that?
history counts.
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they never made it out of the middle ages. Maybe there's a reason or more for that?
history counts.
I'm not arguing that history doesn't count.
People on here are acting as if it justifies behavior today.
It does not.
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I'm not arguing that history doesn't count.
People on here are acting as if it justifies behavior today.
It does not.
I use to do the same here. Posting what 240 posted, but it's not my argument anymore. Been there done that to many times with no results... When I was posting shit like that, it was because people here were coming off like this stuff was the worst shit to ever happen. lol... Like they couldn't imagine we would ever commit such evils. Like they were posting on their high horses or whatever--above all that. But we have went through periods of that crap, some maybe worse. And IMO, if you count what we're not supposed to count, what we've done in South and Central America in this age.... unspeakable....... but we're not to count that.... Lets also not count what the American Indians went through..... No I'm not on a guilt trip. But if they were doing it, you know what we would be saying about it... lol...
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i guess i just see people defending evil of any kind, and I dont get it.
can't we all just condemn ALL crazy muslims AND crazy christians?
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i guess i just see people defending evil of any kind, and I dont get it.
can't we all just condemn ALL crazy muslims AND crazy christians?
Amen.
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what? really? Were you not posting contrary?
I was just kidding around.
I'm an atheist.
America is a powerful nation, and when it does something for the good, it is very good. When it does some fukked up shit, it is incredibly bad. But I don't see everyone from America claiming it is the will of God, Christian or otherwise, so it is in quite a different context, at least for me.
Many Muslims feel that they are morally superior to others and that everything they do is the will of God. It sickens me.
In Malaysia recently, when Hindus were talking about building a place of worship, they cut off a cow's head and began stomping on it (in front of the Hindus). Where is the humanity with these people?