Muslims in Malaysia firebombing churches because of court ruling

[Fury]

LOL so youre pulling from the crusades to draw a moral equivalency to the muslims of today  

this is why youve earned your reputation on here 240  

I love that argument. Completely ignores the fact that the Muslims back then were just as barbaric and violent as the Christians.

You know someone's really reaching when they have to reference events from 700 years ago to make their argument.  

There have been over 14,500 documented terrorist attacks since 9/11. There has been one prominent abortion doctor killed in that time span. Good argument.




How many innocents, RPF? The majority of innocents are killed by Muslims.

[tonymctones]

Anyone know how many innocents that happened to be Muslim have accidentally been killed in our War on Terror?

I think the score is just about even...

 

is that in the name of Christ?

hmmm sorry bud not a valid comparison

[240 is Back]

I see.... just to be clear, what date are we using as the official starting point for comparing which group of murderous nutbags are more evil?  2003?  2008?


geez, I can't believe i'm missing the patriots losing to argue some silly shit like this.  Hey guys, what's wetter.... water or mountain dew?  And I don't mean water from 1989, only water from 2005 or after...

[tonymctones]

just as you're somehow appointing yourself qualified to make a judgement as to which of the religion-justified homicide streaks was worse than the other - and you do so without any number to back up your argument!

I say they're both fuct up idiots using God to justify their greed and hatred.

You're saying one's a little worse than the other, mmmm okay.

one is certainly worse than the other in this day in time...

youre the jack ass that drew the moral equivalent comparison to christians killing doctors to muslims blowing themselves up...sorry if youre argument doesnt hold water there hoss

muslims have the market cornered in the extremism department these days without a doubt.

[drkaje]

is that in the name of Christ?

hmmm sorry bud not a valid comparison

The Nazis were European.

[tonymctones]

I see.... just to be clear, what date are we using as the official starting point for comparing which group of murderous nutbags are more evil?  2003?  2008?


geez, I can't believe i'm missing the patriots losing to argue some silly shit like this.  Hey guys, what's wetter.... water or mountain dew?  And I don't mean water from 1989, only water from 2005 or after...

LOL sorry i didnt think i needed to put a limit on your moral equivalency bullshit but apparently I do

[Fury]

I see.... just to be clear, what date are we using as the official starting point for comparing which group of murderous nutbags are more evil?  2003?  2008?


geez, I can't believe i'm missing the patriots losing to argue some silly shit like this.  Hey guys, what's wetter.... water or mountain dew?  And I don't mean water from 1989, only water from 2005 or after...

I'm doing both. You don't own a laptop?  

Your argument holds no water. Referencing the crusades is just reaching as you completely ignore the fact that the Muslims were rampaging around the Middle East at the time, laying waste to everyone in their path. They were just as brutal as the Christians.

The one glaring difference is that most Christians, in this day and age, have moved beyond that while most Muslims haven't.

The Nazis were European.

Hitler wasn't Christian. Hitler believed the Koran's ideologies fell more in line with Nazi ideologies due to the militaristic nature of it.





This thread is a perfect example of the Getbig apologists at work. Completely derailed by those trying to compare it to Christianity 700 years ago.  

[ToxicAvenger]

What do muslims in this forum have to say about this?

i urge yall to catch this Natty geog documentary


i learned stuff i didn't know...like the extremist kind of islam is called "wahibism" and the saudi govt has spent over 200billion in the last 20 yrs forwarding their ajenda..osama is/ws a wahabi

[tonymctones]

The Nazis were European.

did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?

[240 is Back]

hahahah okay, somebody please deliver rough estimates on the numbers.

in the last 2000 years, which group has killed more people - crazy ass christians, or crazy ass muslims?  (please back up arguments with real data)

thanks!

[drkaje]

did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?

They just wanted people to concentrate better.

[Hugo Chavez]

did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?

interesting read:
http://www.theturning.org/folder/nazis.html

Also didn't hey have those back door deals with the Vatican for silent approval?  It's been an issue for a long time.

[Fury]

hahahah okay, somebody please deliver rough estimates on the numbers.

in the last 2000 years, which group has killed more people - crazy ass christians, or crazy ass muslims?  (please back up arguments with real data)

thanks!

If you're looking at people killed in the name of Christianity versus people killed in the name of Islam, the numbers are probably similar. Knowing you though you'll argue that anyone killed by a Christian was killed in the name of Christianity.

There have been over 14,500 documented terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims since 9/11. How many documented terrorist attacks have been carried out by Christians in that time span? I mean, it was front page news when one killed an abortion doc so I'm guessing there's not that many.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Of course many of the Muslim nations are living in the stone age, but it didn't help when our Christian nation invaded their country that was no threat to us, killed their leader because he was no longer useful to us, and killed tens of thousands of innocent people...  

Our actions in the Middle East have just increased the problem 10x fold...  We're actually giving these fundamentalist nut bags exactly what they need to turn normal Muslim people to their side.

[Fury]

Of course many of the Muslim nations are living in the stone age, but it didn't help when our Christian nation invaded their country that was no threat to us, killed their leader because he was no longer useful to us, and killed tens of thousands of innocent people...  

Our actions in the Middle East have just increased the problem 10x fold...  We're actually giving these fundamentalist nut bags exactly what they need to turn normal Muslim people to their side.

You keep saying the USA killed tens of thousands of people. Do you have any documentation of this? You realize that the overwhelming majority of people killed in Iraq/Afghanistan were killed by other Muslims, right? No one told them to start killing each other and it was fomented by *gasp* FOREIGN Muslims, who are no different than us. Although they seem to get a free pass because they're Muslim.  

Or are you implying that Muslims, at their very core, are nothing more than barbaric animals? That's what it seems like to me.

Extremism will always be prevalent in the Middle East. With or without us there. They have a laundry list of gripes with the civilized world and will just move on to the next one.

[tonymctones]

They just wanted people to concentrate better.

LOL nice straw man did the nazis commit their heinous acts in the name of Christ?

not did they target ppl based on race, creed, religion...did they do so thinking they were doing gods work?

[Eyeball Chambers]

You keep saying the USA killed tens of thousands of people. Do you have any documentation of this? You realize that the overwhelming majority of people killed in Iraq/Afghanistan were killed by other Muslims, right? No one told them to start killing each other and it was fomented by *gasp* FOREIGN Muslims, who are no different than us. Although they seem to get a free pass because they're Muslim.  

Or are you implying that Muslims, at their very core, are nothing more than barbaric animals? That's what it seems like to me.

Extremism will always be prevalent in the Middle East. With or without us there. They have a laundry list of gripes with the civilized world and will just move on to the next one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html 

One of the first attempts to independently estimate the loss of civilian life from the Iraqi war has concluded that at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians may have died because of the U.S. invasion.

Of course I don't have anything to document the exact amount of innocents killed by US forces. 

Just one innocent death at the hands of people invading some random country on a whim would be enough to infuriate me beyond return (if it happened to my country)...

[Fury]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html  

Of course I don't have anything to document the exact amount of innocents killed by US forces.  

Just one innocent death at the hands of people invading some random country on a whim would be enough to infuriate me beyond return (if it happened to my country)...

Yes, yes. 100,000 died. The USA did not kill 100,000. Most of them died as a result of sectarian violence that was fomented by foreign Muslims who came to Iraq.

It's funny how everyone ignores the fact that the high command of Al Qaeda in Iraq was comprised almost entirely of foreigners. The violence was fomented by FOREIGN Muslims, who have much less regard for the lives of Iraqi civilians than the USA did. They get a free pass because they're Muslim, though.  

Thanks for derailing yet another thread, though.

[Eyeball Chambers]

FOREIGN Muslims, who are no different than us. Although they seem to get a free pass because they're Muslim.  

I'm not giving these despicable Animals any kind of pass, if you're referring to me...

Them killing innocents is one thing, my own country killing innocents is another...

[Fury]

This thread has fuck all to do with Iraq. It has everything to do with Muslims who claim to be tolerant firebombing churches across Malaysia because of their disagreement with a court ruling. 

[Eyeball Chambers]

This thread has fuck all to do with Iraq. It has everything to do with Muslims who claim to be tolerant firebombing churches across Malaysia because of their disagreement with a court ruling. 

I was just bringing up the fact that our constant meddling in their affairs hasn't helped things.... You can't deny that can you? 

[Fury]

I was just bringing up the fact that our constant meddling in their affairs hasn't helped things.... You can't deny that can you?  

It hasn't helped but anyone who thinks it's the sole reason for Muslims being violent jihadists is a moron. Their list of gripes with the West is a mile long and when one is taken care of they'll just move to the next. And it doesn't explain why southeast Asian Muslims are spitting images of their Middle Eastern brethren. They have their own agendas and yet they conduct themselves in the same exact manner.

I expect the problem to be amplified exponentially when the West gets off oil and they really sink into poverty.

[drkaje]

It hasn't helped but anyone who thinks it's the sole reason for Muslims being violent jihadists is a moron. Their list of gripes with the West is a mile long and when one is taken care of they'll just move to the next. And it doesn't explain why southeast Asian Muslims are spitting images of their Middle Eastern brethren. They have their own agendas and yet they conduct themselves in the same exact manner.

I expect the problem to be amplified exponentially when the West gets off oil and they really sink into poverty.

We agree on one thing. It will get far worse if we ever get off oil. Maybe that's why we aren't really making any true headway towards energy independence. They have nothing but bodies over there and without nukes we'd have to invade/occupy 4 or 5 countries to secure Israel's existence.

[SAMSON123]

Sounds like someone is trying to start a religious war between Muslims and Christians

[garebear]

Why are people still bringing upthe Crusades?

Who cares what happened centuries ago? EARTH TO MORONS, THIS IS NOW. THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS OF TODAY.

Fight oppression or live under it.