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James - the Communists are still down by 9 votes on MengleCare
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CURRENT WHIP COUNT -- DEMS DOWN BY 9 VOTES!!!
The Hill ^ | 03-16-2010 | cww
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:46:26 AM by CWW
According to The Hill, there are currently 37 definite or leaning no votes by DEMS and 58 undecideds. The DEMS would have to win ALL undecided votes to eek out a 216-215 win. Of the 58 undecideds, however, the following 9 are leaning “no”. If any of these 9 vote no, then the bill dies.
Jason Altmire (Pa.) * (N) Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told McClatchy he's targeting Altmire, who many view as key to passage. Altmire said on Fox News he has an "open mind." Voted no in committee and on floor, but bottom line is his yes vote is gettable.
Brian Baird (Wash.) (N) Retiring member who bucked party on Iraq war surge.
John Boccieri (Ohio) * (N) In a bad sign for the White House, Boccieri did not appear with President Barack Obama at his March 15 speech in Ohio. Boccieri, a GOP target, told Foxnews.com, "I'm not afraid to cast a tough vote..." Clyburn has publicly said he is leaning on Boccieri, whose vote could go a long way in determining whether healthcare reform will pass.
Bart Gordon (Tenn.) * (N) Retiring committee chairman. Clyburn especially wants his vote.
Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.) (N) Easily won her race in 2008; her 2010 race will be tighter.
Betsy Markey (Colo.) (N) Was a late no last time. In early March, Markey declined to be interviewed by Denver Post on her position on bill. Likely target for Democratic leaders.
Scott Murphy (N.Y.) (N) Reelection race looks good, for now. Told local media he might vote yes.
Glenn Nye (Va.) (N) In toss-up race
John Tanner (Tenn.) * (N) House deputy whip not running for reelection, but he still will need to be convinced to get to yes. Voted no in committee and on floor
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
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James - the Communists are still down by 9 votes on MengleCare
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
CURRENT WHIP COUNT -- DEMS DOWN BY 9 VOTES!!!
The Hill ^ | 03-16-2010 | cww
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:46:26 AM by CWW
According to The Hill, there are currently 37 definite or leaning no votes by DEMS and 58 undecideds. The DEMS would have to win ALL undecided votes to eek out a 216-215 win. Of the 58 undecideds, however, the following 9 are leaning “no”. If any of these 9 vote no, then the bill dies.
Jason Altmire (Pa.) * (N) Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told McClatchy he's targeting Altmire, who many view as key to passage. Altmire said on Fox News he has an "open mind." Voted no in committee and on floor, but bottom line is his yes vote is gettable.
Brian Baird (Wash.) (N) Retiring member who bucked party on Iraq war surge.
John Boccieri (Ohio) * (N) In a bad sign for the White House, Boccieri did not appear with President Barack Obama at his March 15 speech in Ohio. Boccieri, a GOP target, told Foxnews.com, "I'm not afraid to cast a tough vote..." Clyburn has publicly said he is leaning on Boccieri, whose vote could go a long way in determining whether healthcare reform will pass.
Bart Gordon (Tenn.) * (N) Retiring committee chairman. Clyburn especially wants his vote.
Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.) (N) Easily won her race in 2008; her 2010 race will be tighter.
Betsy Markey (Colo.) (N) Was a late no last time. In early March, Markey declined to be interviewed by Denver Post on her position on bill. Likely target for Democratic leaders.
Scott Murphy (N.Y.) (N) Reelection race looks good, for now. Told local media he might vote yes.
Glenn Nye (Va.) (N) In toss-up race
John Tanner (Tenn.) * (N) House deputy whip not running for reelection, but he still will need to be convinced to get to yes. Voted no in committee and on floor
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Did Dennis Kucinch flip his vote yesterday ? (Obama took him for a little ride on Air Force one yesterday)
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obama back up to 49% on gallup.
it's truly insane that after everything he's done - exactly half of the nation still fist-bumps the guy.
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obama back up to 49% on gallup.
it's truly insane that after everything he's done - exactly half of the nation still fist-bumps the guy.
100% of the black vote = 13%
The rest come from liberal jews and guilt ridden white voters.
The balance are college morons and the welfare drug addict vote like Julio.
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i dont like the use of words like that to descibe voters - it gets ppl too defensive. "College morons" has to be one of the funniest phrases.
Obama got 53.9% approval on election day. And he's at 49% today, despite a liberal agenda and crippled economy. That scares the shit outta me. The only light is that Palin and other idiot repubs have STFU for a few weeks and allowed sensible voices from the repub party to get a little airtime. Palin hasn't facebooked about something minor, Rush hasn't thrown a racist comment out there, and Beck hasn't cried. When these 3 stop being distractions, the GOP leaders actually get a little limelight to get thru to americans!
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i dont like the use of words like that to descibe voters - it gets ppl too defensive. "College morons" has to be one of the funniest phrases.
Obama got 53.9% approval on election day. And he's at 49% today, despite a liberal agenda and crippled economy. That scares the shit outta me. The only light is that Palin and other idiot repubs have STFU for a few weeks and allowed sensible voices from the repub party to get a little airtime. Palin hasn't facebooked about something minor, Rush hasn't thrown a racist comment out there, and Beck hasn't cried. When these 3 stop being distractions, the GOP leaders actually get a little limelight to get thru to americans!
Most students in college are complete morons when it comes to politics. In fact some studies have shown at Cornell & Yale, students actually graduate knowing less about american History and Politics than when they first entered.
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I hope they vote this monstrous bill down, are forced to extract the good provisions and pass a more focused, less costly bill later in the next few months.
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I hope they vote this monstrous bill down, are forced to extract the good provisions and pass a more focused, less costly bill later in the next few months.
Shoot - I am going to post an article about doctors and what this is going to do you guys.
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'Most students in college are complete morons when it comes to politics.'
most college kids are complete morons when it comes to everything
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obama back up to 49% on gallup.
it's truly insane that after everything he's done - exactly half of the nation still fist-bumps the guy.
I think Rasmussen only polls people who vote.
Gallup polls anyone.
If I remember correctly, Gallup had Obama up by 11% in the election. but he won by 7 %
Rasmussen was only off by 1%
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Yes, I agree there james. But I like to use gallup for the historic factor - we can see how carter, reagan and others were at this point.
Also was resmussen consistently at that 1% off number? Or did they change at that last week? I remember one of the right-ish polling sources had mccain when nobody else did - then they changed it to obama at last second so they could make claim to accuracy. Not sure if it was rass or not.
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Yes, I agree there james. But I like to use gallup for the historic factor - we can see how carter, reagan and others were at this point.
Also was resmussen consistently at that 1% off number? Or did they change at that last week? I remember one of the right-ish polling sources had mccain when nobody else did - then they changed it to obama at last second so they could make claim to accuracy. Not sure if it was rass or not.
Why do people keep comparing Obama and Reagan?
Reagan loved this country and had a plan to get out of the mess we were in with Volker and it was short lived.
Now with Obama, he hates this country and reminds us of the same every damn day. Additionally, his plans suck and are making things far worse.
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What I don't understand is that other polls have shown a decrease. Close to Rasmussen's number. Yet, Gallup doesn't move from that 49%. Something is wrong with Gallup.
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What I don't understand is that other polls have shown a decrease. Close to Rasmussen's number. Yet, Gallup doesn't move from that 49%. Something is wrong with Gallup.
Gallup polls anyone, not just the people who vote. Most people dont vote, and that is why Gallup was off in the last election, and is currently off in Obama's recent approval numbers.
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lol...funny...
Bros is this shit gonna go on for 3 more years...possibly 7...jesus give it a rest
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'Why do people keep comparing Obama and Reagan? '
Both were right around 50% after a year by Gallup, as was Clinton.
I do it for the re-election factor. Remember (this is often forgotten), I'm a huge fan of politics, but of neither party. I think they're both full of greedy scumbags. But the tactics, the method, the public opinion swaying with misleading... this stuff fascinates me.
I was fascinated with Rove's ability to divide in order to conquer. I love the way axelrod sold a pre-packaged dream and convinced people to be a part of it. I'll probably be impressed with the 2012 republican, how he uses obama's own words and promises against him - almost cmpaigning AGAINST the rock star image. this is why I h ate cosmo lush Scoot Brown and complete idiot Palin - they steal tv time from Republicans who should actually be taking on obama.
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Yes, I agree there james. But I like to use gallup for the historic factor - we can see how carter, reagan and others were at this point.
Also was resmussen consistently at that 1% off number? Or did they change at that last week? I remember one of the right-ish polling sources had mccain when nobody else did - then they changed it to obama at last second so they could make claim to accuracy. Not sure if it was rass or not.
I think that was Reuters/Zogby that changed at the last.
Gallup polls during the day, and polls anyone, so I would not count on them to be very accurate about Obama's recent approval ratings.
Rasmussen is more accurate 240, as they only poll people who vote, and again, they were only only off by 1% in the last election.
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lol...funny...
Bros is this shit gonna go on for 3 more years...possibly 7...jesus give it a rest
Quite possibly. He (333) seems to have no other purpose in life than to be bitter and bicker.
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youre right, Rass and pew were first in 2008 accuracy.
ouch... DailyKOS beat out FOX polling... yikes...
http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the_list_which_presidential_po.html
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Quite possibly. He (333) seems to have no other purpose in life than to be bitter and bicker.
Blah blah blah,
I'm sending out copies of a foreclosure of a mechanic's lien right now to where there are 30 defendants.
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youre right, Rass and pew were first in 2008 accuracy.
ouch... DailyKOS beat out FOX... yikes...
http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the_list_which_presidential_po.html
Did you see that Gallup was 20th out of 23 ? :o
Like I wrote earlier, Gallup is not an accurate poll anymore.
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Did you see that Gallup was 20th out of 23 ? :o
WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
He won...
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WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
He won...
This all started during Clinton's term with the daily polling nonsense. I think Dick Morris was the spark that set that fire ablaze.
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WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
He won...
So did Jimmy Carter .......Once.
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This all started during Clinton's term with the daily polling nonsense. I think Dick Morris was the spark that set that fire ablaze.
THIS SHIT IS RETARDED
(sorry palin)
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THIS SHIT IS RETARDED
(sorry palin)
Of course it is, the debates should be on the merits of the bills and laws they are trying to do.
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Blah blah blah,
I'm sending out copies of a foreclosure of a mechanic's lien right now to where there are 30 defendants.
So?
You want an award or something?
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So?
You want an award or something?
No, just the deadbeat owner to pay up. They owe $125k to my client alone and stiffed a lot of subcontractors on this.
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Popularity is fleeting and unimportant at this stage. All presidents know and understand this at some point.
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Popularity is fleeting and unimportant at this stage. All presidents know and understand this at some point.
However, it does make a difference for the congress people as they are up every 2 years.
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obama back up to 49% on gallup.
it's truly insane that after everything he's done - exactly half of the nation still fist-bumps the guy.
Now that is some pretty pathetic spin.
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Now that is some pretty pathetic spin.
Kinda like "is it part of a rule...is it illegal" Sickening
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Popularity is fleeting and unimportant at this stage. All presidents know and understand this at some point.
It may be fleeting, but it can forecast what will happen in November.
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However, it does make a difference for the congress people as they are up every 2 years.
True but that won't hurt Obama either. In fact it may help him further his bid for re-election. By showing he can work with a republican controlled congress. Next thing you know he's in for another 4.
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True but that won't hurt Obama either. In fact it may help him further his bid for re-election. By showing he can work with a republican controlled congress. Next thing you know he's in for another 4.
Good point, but the issue is how many dem congress people want to walk the plank for Obama?
I have said from day 1 that the Pelosi led House of Reps would be Obama's biggest problem. and it is. If he has a GOP Congress to deal with, he will ge things done, even if the DU, HP, FDL crowd hates it.
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No, just the deadbeat owner to pay up. They owe $125k to my client alone and stiffed a lot of subcontractors on this.
What has that got to do with a discussion on the prez's job approval rating?
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"Now that is some pretty pathetic spin. "
Really? I wouldn't call it spin, I'd call it analysis.
I think Obama should be at 33% right now, given the economy and his agenda. I've said it in your absense a million times... I'm utterly shocked he's as high as he is. Reagan and clinton were this low and the nation was in FAR better shape.
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There is nothing positive about a president who was immensely popular seeing his approval ratings plummet like a rock in one year. He has lost independents. He has lost the Republicans who supported him. He is even losing liberals.
I know it's early, but he is in serious trouble. At this point, in terms of November and the damage he will cause his party at the polls, his only hope is some kind of terrorist attack, war, etc.
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He lost some of those who supported him, yes. Is anybody denying that?
My point is that he had plenty to spare, and he sacrificed 20 points to print trillions, shove shit sandwiches down throats, and he's still neck and neck with any given GOP candidate, just as he was in summer of 2008. Yes, the tingles people had are gone. But only half of america disapproves? I mean, what does he have to do to drop to 35 or 40%?
You're right about any event too - good or bad, the nation unites. Bush didn't stop 911, and he jumped 40 points in polls because of it. If he had stopped it, he sure wouldn't have jumped 40 points.
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"Now that is some pretty pathetic spin. "
Really? I wouldn't call it spin, I'd call it analysis.
I think Obama should be at 33% right now, given the economy and his agenda. I've said it in your absense a million times... I'm utterly shocked he's as high as he is. Reagan and clinton were this low and the nation was in FAR better shape.
Its called being the ultimate con man.
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He lost some of those who supported him, yes. Is anybody denying that?
My point is that he had plenty to spare, and he sacrificed 20 points to print trillions, shove shit sandwiches down throats, and he's still neck and neck with any given GOP candidate, just as he was in summer of 2008. Yes, the tingles people had are gone. But only half of america disapproves? I mean, what does he have to do to drop to 35 or 40%?
You're right about any event too - good or bad, the nation unites. Bush didn't stop 911, and he jumped 40 points in polls because of it. If he had stopped it, he sure wouldn't have jumped 40 points.
It isn't that he lost some support. He has lost essentially all of the support that got him into office. Any president will usually have an approval rating somewhere around 40 percent or so. Those people likely represent voters who will support their party representative no matter what.
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"It isn't that he lost some support. He has lost essentially all of the support that got him into office. Any president will usually have an approval rating somewhere around 40 percent or so. Those people likely represent voters who will support their party representative no matter what. "
My belief is that he SHOULD be in Bush territory. He was around 30%. That includes a quarter of that 40% who votes party no matter what.
I mean, a large chunk of obama's base is broke. Yet they still love the guy. That is what's baffling. Obama should be at 30 or 35%. he SHOULD have lost that quarter of the loyal dem base. But he hasn't, yet.
IMO it's because the GOP hasn't offered a better solution. There is no anti-Obama with their shit together. You have idiots with crib notes on their hands and of course, every good GOP voice seems to have a mistress they just can't hide.
Seriously repubs... get a good candidate. Beach and 33, you guys are both more than adequately prepared. Why dont yall run for office? The repubs don't have a good voice. If any candidate was an educated and passionate as 333386, he'd clean obama's clock in a debate. And BB would be a fine running mate... eye rolls every time the other candidate in the debate spoke, that would be hilarious.
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"It isn't that he lost some support. He has lost essentially all of the support that got him into office. Any president will usually have an approval rating somewhere around 40 percent or so. Those people likely represent voters who will support their party representative no matter what. "
My belief is that he SHOULD be in Bush territory. He was around 30%. That includes a quarter of that 40% who votes party no matter what.
I mean, a large chunk of obama's base is broke. Yet they still love the guy. That is what's baffling. Obama should be at 30 or 35%. he SHOULD have lost that quarter of the loyal dem base. But he hasn't, yet.
IMO it's because the GOP hasn't offered a better solution. There is no anti-Obama with their shit together. You have idiots with crib notes on their hands and of course, every good GOP voice seems to have a mistress they just can't hide.
Seriously repubs... get a good candidate. Beach and 33, you guys are both more than adequately prepared. Why dont yall run for office? The repubs don't have a good voice. If any candidate was an educated and passionate as 333386, he'd clean obama's clock in a debate. And BB would be a fine running mate... eye rolls every time the other candidate in the debate spoke, that would be hilarious.
It took Bush 6 years to get whwere Obama is after only 1 year 240.
Sorry 24 - no one with my thick accent, speaks as fast as Drinking w Bob, looks like the guy from the Shield, and has over 35 guns and wants more, is a Slayer/Ice T/Public enemy fan is going to get elected to anything soon.
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"my thick accent, speaks as fast as Drinking w Bob, looks like the guy from the Shield, and has over 35 guns and wants more, is a Slayer/Ice T/Public enemy fan is going to get elected to anything soon. "
"Change you're Fvcking Afraid Of!"
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There is no way he should be in the 30s. Nonsense. He should not have lost all of the swing voters so soon. He burned through his political capital in a matter of months.
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"my thick accent, speaks as fast as Drinking w Bob, looks like the guy from the Shield, and has over 35 guns and wants more, is a Slayer/Ice T/Public enemy fan is going to get elected to anything soon. "
"Change you're Fvcking Afraid Of!"
Yeah, right. Thats what america wants a South Park Conservative who want sot cut at least 50 -75% of govt.
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it'd be better than the long line of dbags the GOP has now, waiting in line for the 2012 nomination
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WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
He won...
You do, fool. Otherwise, why do you keep responding?
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lol...funny...
Bros is this shit gonna go on for 3 more years...possibly 7...jesus give it a rest
Not possibly. There won't be 4 more years for that incompetent, lying jackass.
The social experiment is over.
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You do, fool. Otherwise, why do you keep responding?
STUNNING.. SIMPLY STUNNING
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STUNNING.. SIMPLY STUNNING
Obama should have read the tea leaves after Christie and McDonnell won. Instead, he is doubling down on insanity and when ObamaCare goes down, he will rightfully be a lame duck that he is. The man is completely inept and a mistake by the voters.
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True but that won't hurt Obama either. In fact it may help him further his bid for re-election. By showing he can work with a republican controlled congress. Next thing you know he's in for another 4.
That wont happen. He is no Bill Clinton and there is no way in hell he is going to hire another Dick Morriss as his political advisor.