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Texas lawmaker to introduce anti-immigration bill (Since Feds won't enforce the law, state's will)
AUSTIN, Texas -- A Texas lawmaker says she plans to push for a law similar to Arizona's get-tough immigration measure.
San Antonio Express-News and Houston Chronicle report Wednesday that Republican Rep. Debbie Riddle of Tomball says she will introduce the measure in the January legislative session.
The new Arizona law would require local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status - and make it a crime for immigrants to lack registration documents.
Riddle says if the federal government did its job "Arizona wouldn't have to take this action, and neither would Texas."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/28/AR2010042801551.html
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Awesome.
Even if 20% self deport that would be great.
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This ad is being called racist but truth hurts
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We need to bring all this to a head at some point.
I'm sick of this crap and these scumbags need to go the fuck home if they want official documents to be in other languages.
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We need to bring all this to a head at some point.
I'm sick of this crap and these scumbags need to go the fuck home if they want official documents to be in other languages.
Epic CD! Should get that out of storage tonight. :)
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S.O.D. produced for me what typified the 80's Thrash metal movement.
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good, tomball is about a 10 min drive for me they have some great home cooking :D
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Gov. Brewer in Arizona got a 16 point bump in her approval rating AFTER signing the bill.This is a winning issue for the right.By the way ,compare that bump to Obamas after signing health care.
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We need to bring all this to a head at some point.
I'm sick of this crap and these scumbags need to go the fuck home if they want official documents to be in other languages.
English isn't the official language of America though. BTW SOD are a satire band they do it for the reaction they don't actually believe that stuff :-*
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English isn't the official language of America though. BTW SOD are a satire band they do it for the reaction they don't actually believe that stuff :-*
It damn well should be. Speaking passable English should be a requirement for citizenship. It's amazing that American-born hispanic children can grow up to be adults and not be able to speak a word of English.
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BTW i don't get all this anti-immigration sentiment on here. Considering the amount of fiscal conservatives who seem to be opposed to amnesty and immigration from the south. It seems at odds with the real numbers done by real studies. Currently more than half are currently working on the books, i.e. paying income tax. They all pay taxes on goods and services used including accommodation, in a comprehensive study it was found that "approximately $80,000 more in taxes than they receive in state, federal and local benefits over their life times".
These studies are done by the council of economic advisers, the national research council, the executive office of the white house etc. It tells you exactly why no one has decided to 'kick them out' because it would cost us more money than it's worth. We would a) have to pay for the deportation etc, b) lose revenue from the taxes paid, c) miss out on revenue from the other 50% who work currently off the books and would be on the books if given amnesty. Economically it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. So as fiscal conservatives how can you back kicking them all out?
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BTW i don't get all this anti-immigration sentiment on here. Considering the amount of fiscal conservatives who seem to be opposed to amnesty and immigration from the south. It seems at odds with the real numbers done by real studies. Currently more than half are currently working on the books, i.e. paying income tax. They all pay taxes on goods and services used including accommodation, in a comprehensive study it was found that "approximately $80,000 more in taxes than they receive in state, federal and local benefits over their life times".
These studies are done by the council of economic advisers, the national research council, the executive office of the white house etc. It tells you exactly why no one has decided to 'kick them out' because it would cost us more money than it's worth. We would a) have to pay for the deportation etc, b) lose revenue from the taxes paid, c) miss out on revenue from the other 50% who work currently off the books and would be on the books if given amnesty. Economically it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. So as fiscal conservatives how can you back kicking them all out?
I guess that makes it ok that they are breaking the law?
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It damn well should be. Speaking passable English should be a requirement for citizenship. It's amazing that American-born hispanic children can grow up to be adults and not be able to speak a word of English.
But it's not the official language, nothing is. Why does this bother you so much? What if the official language became an original native american dialect? would you support it or is it only a language you understand and grew up with that should be official?
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I guess that makes it ok that they are breaking the law?
Economically speaking it sure does.
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Economically speaking it sure does.
I see so as long as i am contributing economically then I am above the law?
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But it's not the official language, nothing is. Why does this bother you so much? What if the official language became an original native american dialect? would you support it or is it only a language you understand and grew up with that should be official?
Because it's ridiculous to have to deal with Spanish speaking people in an English speaking country? Why is it that everyone that immigrated here back in the 1800s or whatever learned the language yet these hispanic immigrants can't? These people don't even make an attempt to learn English and therein lies the problem.
And yes, it bothers me. Last year I volunteered 6 hours every week in the ER at a hospital near my school that was located in a town that was about 90% hispanic so I had to deal with these people all the time. Every time I helped with getting people signed in and situated at the front desk. I had more than one incident where someone got pissed at me because I couldn't speak Spanish or understand their jibberish. Never mind the fact that it should be the other way around. Then the people running the volunteer program had the audacity to ask me to learn Spanish to make it easier to deal with them. Why should I have to learn Spanish? Why can't they learn English? It's ridiculous.
English should be the official language of this country and anyone living here she be required to speak a passable version of it.
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I see so as long as i am contributing economically then I am above the law?
haha ::) you've been exposed as a fraud, a wannabe fiscal conservative but with no understanding that immigration is what helps this country grow. Amnesty is the only way forward, you can debate the morals but you can not debate the economic impact.
BTW how's your state doing in the whole 'leaving the union' thing? I wish it would actually then the mexicans could take it back as their own. Be pretty funny to see you all becoming 'illegals' as you flee the mexican army.
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haha ::) you've been exposed as a fraud, a wannabe fiscal conservative but with no understanding that immigration is what helps this country grow. Amnesty is the only way forward, you can debate the morals but you can not debate the economic impact.
BTW how's your state doing in the whole 'leaving the union' thing? I wish it would actually then the mexicans could take it back as their own. Be pretty funny to see you all becoming 'illegals' as you flee the mexican army.
Immigration does indeed help this country grow. ILLEGAL immigration does not. No one on this board is against legal (keyword here being legal) immigration.
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Because it's ridiculous to have to deal with Spanish speaking people in an English speaking country? Why is it that everyone that immigrated here back in the 1800s or whatever learned the language yet these hispanic immigrants can't? These people don't even make an attempt to learn English and therein lies the problem.
And yes, it bothers me. Last year I volunteered 6 hours every week in the ER at a hospital near my school that was located in a town that was about 90% hispanic so I had to deal with these people all the time. Every time I helped with getting people signed in and situated at the front desk. I had more than one incident where someone got pissed at me because I couldn't speak Spanish or understand their jibberish. Never mind the fact that it should be the other way around. Then the people running the volunteer program had the audacity to ask me to learn Spanish to make it easier to deal with them. Why should I have to learn Spanish? Why can't they learn English? It's ridiculous.
English should be the official language of this country and anyone living here she be required to speak a passable version of it.
Why? Canadians have french speakers in their country, it doesn't cause any issues other than to those who sell goods there that need bilingual labels. I don't see any disharmony up there people accept it as a way of life, so should you.
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Immigration does indeed help this country grow. ILLEGAL immigration does not. No one on this board is against legal (keyword here being legal) immigration.
Oh please i just posted information as to why that's such bullsh*t. Keep crying in your cornflakes though about how it's such a horrible thing ::) when amnesty comes i'll look forward to the increase in tax revenue we'll get especially now in such tough times.
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haha ::) you've been exposed as a fraud, a wannabe fiscal conservative but with no understanding that immigration is what helps this country grow. Amnesty is the only way forward, you can debate the morals but you can not debate the economic impact.
BTW how's your state doing in the whole 'leaving the union' thing? I wish it would actually then the mexicans could take it back as their own. Be pretty funny to see you all becoming 'illegals' as you flee the mexican army.
so i see when confronted with your retarded logic you result to attacking me... :o color me shocked ::)
LOL where do you live? Kansas city? I live in houston hoss I know first hand the probems and benefits of immigrants...
there is a difference between legal immigration which I am for and illegal immigration...youve owned yourself if you dont realize the difference ::)
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Oh please i just posted information as to why that's such bullsh*t. Keep crying in your cornflakes though about how it's such a horrible thing ::) when amnesty comes i'll look forward to the increase in tax revenue we'll get especially now in such tough times.
thats fine then those ppl should be move to the front of the list for LEGAL immigration...them contributing economically doesnt excuse the fact they are breaking the law...dumb ass
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so i see when confronted with your retarded logic you result to attacking me... :o color me shocked ::)
LOL where do you live? Kansas city? I live in houston hoss I know first hand the probems and benefits of immigrants...
there is a difference between legal immigration which I am for and illegal immigration...youve owned yourself if you dont realize the difference ::)
Yeah i don't see the difference i am so dense i must be from texas too ::)
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Why? Canadians have french speakers in their country, it doesn't cause any issues other than to those who sell goods there that need bilingual labels. I don't see any disharmony up there people accept it as a way of life, so should you.
Actually, it does cause problems as there are more than a few French Canadians who want Quebec to be a separate country due to its isolation from the rest of English speaking Canada. ::)
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Yeah i don't see the difference i am so dense i must be from texas too ::)
way to not address my points... :o again im shocked ;)
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thats fine then those ppl should be move to the front of the list for LEGAL immigration...them contributing economically doesnt excuse the fact they are breaking the law...dumb ass
so what it's a stupid law to begin with. If immigration laws were the same as they were when most of our families came they wouldn't be illegal. The fact that the rules changed for unskilled labor is a joke. Give everyone a chance to contribute and earn THAT is freedom.
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so what it's a stupid law to begin with. If immigration laws were the same as they were when most of our families came they wouldn't be illegal. The fact that the rules changed for unskilled labor is a joke. Give everyone a chance to contribute and earn THAT is freedom.
They have a chance to earn that freedom by doing it through legal means. It's amazing how much pandering you're doing for people who are breaking the law by entering this country illegally.
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so what it's a stupid law to begin with. If immigration laws were the same as they were when most of our families came they wouldn't be illegal. The fact that the rules changed for unskilled labor is a joke. Give everyone a chance to contribute and earn THAT is freedom.
Yes,lets just open our borders.In fact,why even have a country at all,it should be one world union,that way every piece of crap in the world can come here and Obama and the idiot democrats can pay for them all,using OUR money.
Why dont you try to cross the border into Mexico and see what their laws are.
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Stop hiring illegal immigrants and they will leave voluntarily. No jobs, no illegal immigrants.
"According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 in Arizona over just the last year and has fallen from 12.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 countrywide, as the recession means fewer jobs for immigrants and U.S. citizens alike."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812
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Yes,lets just open our borders.In fact,why even have a country at all,it should be one world union,that way every piece of crap in the world can come here and Obama and the idiot democrats can pay for them all,using OUR money.
Why dont you try to cross the border into Mexico and see what their laws are.
why would i want to go to mexico? I can't better my life by going there.
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Stop hiring illegal immigrants and they will leave voluntarily. No jobs, no illegal immigrants.
"According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 in Arizona over just the last year and has fallen from 12.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 countrywide, as the recession means fewer jobs for immigrants and U.S. citizens alike."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812/print
I've said this time and again but people don't get it. They see the immigrants as the issue not the business that hires them. I've made post after post about it. If they were serious they would be buying from companies that don't hire illegals but they'll still buy their tyson chicken, walmart shop and feed into the status quo.
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First off...fuck you KC...quit trying to make this about it being a southern thing like the news media. I'm of the minority on here that is from the south so just because I'm against ILLEGAL immigration don't try to turn this into a southern vs "educated" people theme. That statement was pure conjecture and bullshit, thought of from your narrow mind. I thought you were better than that...really.
Back on topic...it still doesn't change the fact that if amensty passes then we still wouldn't close our borders or enforce the laws that are already there. Nobody wants to address that fact...let's just say we are going to pass amnesty and forgive those that broke our laws...will we then close our borders and enforce our laws for any future immigrants? I seriously doubt it. How are we going to enforce the penalties for amnesty? Can we even track all of the people here? No, so how can we even enforce that? Amnesty while may be a viable economic solution it still doesn't address the border control situation.
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great move.
Hell, the GOP is complaining the federal level never fixed this. True for the last 2 years. The 8 before that, well, amnesty is hardly a solution.
Maybe it is best to keep it a states rights issue. And everyone here will be loving on MSNBC and the ACLU as the bust the balls of cops who choose to abuse this. They're BEGGING for a cop to use this to gaffle the SOB who slapped his sister around, etc. When a cop does abuse this, his ass will be plastered all over the news, I'm sure of that.
So if the lib media keeps the cops honest, and this bill actually results i ICE shipping the shitheads home, everyone wins. I had no idea the lib media and the conservatives would be so strongly against the police abuse on this - but I'm glad they are.
Also noteworthy - Palin is SILENT on this issue lol... scared of offending anyone. Quite the leader on reform. She pipes up "me too!" on every other issue. this is the 2nd biggest issue of the year, and her facebook is quiet. Hmmmm... she doesn't want to be out-conservatived by tancredo.
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Fuck off kneepad boy - Palin already said she favors the AZ law. You and KC are on thin ice with me right now for justifying the lying to support obamacare.
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It's amazing how much people are defending criminals. It's even worse that they want to reward their law breaking with amnesty.
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Its because they know these peasants will vote and advocate for the end of this nation via socialism, communism, welfareism, etc. Just ask KC, he already said that is what he wants.
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so what it's a stupid law to begin with. If immigration laws were the same as they were when most of our families came they wouldn't be illegal. The fact that the rules changed for unskilled labor is a joke. Give everyone a chance to contribute and earn THAT is freedom.
LMAO I see
so now we have:
1. you dont have to obey the law if youre contributing economically
2. you dont have to obey the law if you think its stupid
that sound about correct you dip shit?
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Stop hiring illegal immigrants and they will leave voluntarily. No jobs, no illegal immigrants.
"According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 in Arizona over just the last year and has fallen from 12.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 countrywide, as the recession means fewer jobs for immigrants and U.S. citizens alike."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812
LOL again this alone will NOT FIX THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
what of those that dont work? what of those that come have anchor babies and get on welfare?
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I've said this time and again but people don't get it. They see the immigrants as the issue not the business that hires them. I've made post after post about it. If they were serious they would be buying from companies that don't hire illegals but they'll still buy their tyson chicken, walmart shop and feed into the status quo.
nobody is saying that you dumb fuk what we are saying is that there are multiple parts to the problem not just one...like you are you myopic twit...
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Its because they know these peasants will vote and advocate for the end of this nation via socialism, communism, welfareism, etc. Just ask KC, he already said that is what he wants.
If one criminal deserves amnesty, why not all criminals? Breaking the law is breaking the law. I assume KC is all for giving child rapists, mass murderers and other various scumbags another shot at making it by giving them amnesty as well.
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"Fuck off kneepad boy - Palin already said she favors the AZ law."
Very cool - link to her statement on it? That's HUGE. She's siding with law and order over liberty - completely understandable...
However, strong constitutionalists will disagree vehemently on this one! tancredo for one.
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'If one criminal deserves amnesty, why not all criminals? Breaking the law is breaking the law. I assume KC is all for giving child rapists, mass murderers and other various scumbags another shot at making it by giving them amnesty as well. "
VERY TRUE.... Very true dude.
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Very cool - link to her statement on it? That's HUGE. She's siding with law and order over liberty - completely understandable...
However, strong constitutionalists will disagree vehemently on this one! tancredo for one.
so are you any time you agree with any law ;)
please quit using this tired ass bull shit ::)
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Since when is liberty supposed to be extended to law breakers you dumb mofo?
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Also noteworthy - Palin is SILENT on this issue lol... scared of offending anyone.
Wrong once again.
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240 will spin some bs on this aw well. his 3liberal knee padding act is wearing thin on most. Its a disgrace.
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240 will spin some bs on this aw well. his 3liberal knee padding act is wearing thin on most. Its a disgrace.
240 has watched MSNBC for so long now, that he is beyond the point of retuning to reality.
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Whats' hysterical is that i can tel when he is watching more TV than usual as it is reflective in his posts and he does not even realize it.
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Whats' hysterical is that i can tel when he is watching more TV than usual as it is reflective in his posts and he does not even realize it.
Agree.
Once his talking points from MSNBC fail to win him an argument on here, He then basically switches to: "every politician is a POS, so it doesn't matter anyway"
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He is so brainwashed he does not even realize he is doing it.
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He is so brainwashed he does not even realize he is doing it.
Another sign that he is spending allot of time watching MSNBC, is his anger towards Sarah Palin intensifies.
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Normally i like 240, but he is really wearing on me lately.
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because I agree with tancredo and not mccain/palin on this immigration issue?
Dude i was held in cuffs against my will. that sucked. totally sucked. when I think about how legal americans might have to go thru that.... I dont like it.
I'm not an illegal sympathizer. Has anyone else here called for them to have a leg broken when caught? LOL...
So why the venom at me lately? its been super thick dude.
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Cry me a river. Even you said you were ok with it at the end of the day. So you are ok when they are detaining people looking for pedophiles but not illegals now?
Bro - you dont even know what you believe anymore.
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I think it's a solution I'd support if I lived there. I fear Obama will try to use it nationally, I really do.
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because I agree with tancredo and not mccain/palin on this immigration issue?
wrong again 240
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Dude i was held in cuffs against my will. that sucked. totally sucked. when I think about how legal americans might have to go thru that.... I dont like it.
I'm not an illegal sympathizer. Has anyone else here called for them to have a leg broken when caught? LOL...
So why the venom at me lately? its been super thick dude.
Basically all the new law does is grant the State of Arizona the Rights that the Feds have.
FYI the State of Arizona is having problems, innocent people are being murdered by Illegals crossing over their property, and most citizens of Arizona want this new law, but since poor little 240 was held for a few hours, lets not allow the citizens of Arizona the right to protect themselves, and while we are at it, lets make it against the law for the feds ( ICE and the Border Patrol) to arrest Illegals as well, so 240 can feel better.
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'If one criminal deserves amnesty, why not all criminals? Breaking the law is breaking the law. I assume KC is all for giving child rapists, mass murderers and other various scumbags another shot at making it by giving them amnesty as well. "
VERY TRUE.... Very true dude.
HAHAHA yes because illegal immigrants are the same as child rapists. There is no distinction there right? hahaha.
Amnesty for illegals. Boom. Eat it and enjoy the fiscal benefits.
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HAHAHA yes because illegal immigrants are the same as child rapists. There is no distinction there right? hahaha.
Amnesty for illegals. Boom. Eat it and enjoy the fiscal benefits.
Drug dealers spend money which generates taxes too...let's give them amnesty.
You lost your credibility with this by making it a demographic/geography war.
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Many are child rapists and pedophiles and deserve a fucking guilotine.
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Drug dealers spend money which generates taxes too...let's give them amnesty.
You lost your credibility with this by making it a demographic/geography war.
I don't think drugs should be illegal. ;D
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Drug dealers spend money which generates taxes too...let's give them amnesty.
You lost your credibility with this by making it a demographic/geography war.
I didn't make it anything. I post supporting evidence that having these people here is good for our economy and posed the question that for a bunch of fiscal conservatives they sure do quit the fiscal part pretty quick when coloured people are involved. ;D
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I think it's a solution I'd support if I lived there. I fear Obama will try to use it nationally, I really do.
Obama is an idiot and in the last week has CLEARLY showed what a racist he is.NO ONE CARES what he says anymore.The magic is gone.He has come to divide the nation and is doing so based on race,economics.He will get no where with this.The days of race baiters like him winning are over,we are on to him.Thats why FOX SMOKES the lib networks and Rush SMOKES EVERY left wing pussy on the radio.Its over,he is finnished.
He got ZERO bounce from health care passing,the same amount or more want it repealed.70% of Arizonians support the bill despite his race baiting.No one ewants cap and trade.The guy has until Nov. to wreck what he can,then his socialist agenda is finnished.
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By the way,listen to the biggest race baiter in the country and tell me what fucking language he is speaking.This guy has visited Obama 5 times in the white house and pretty much sums up Obama himself.
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Hymie Town anybody?
Spitting in white peoples' food anybody?
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I didn't make it anything. I post supporting evidence that having these people here is good for our economy and posed the question that for a bunch of fiscal conservatives they sure do quit the fiscal part pretty quick when coloured people are involved. ;D
BTW i don't get all this anti-immigration sentiment on here. Considering the amount of fiscal conservatives who seem to be opposed to amnesty and immigration from the south. It seems at odds with the real numbers done by real studies. Currently more than half are currently working on the books, i.e. paying income tax. They all pay taxes on goods and services used including accommodation, in a comprehensive study it was found that "approximately $80,000 more in taxes than they receive in state, federal and local benefits over their life times".
Yeah, you did, that statement has nothing to do with the issue. Plenty of Americans don't want law breakers here...it isn't about an economic situation, it's about laws and our security. You miss the entire point with your fiscal talk. While I don't totally agree with Arizona's law, I fully and completely understand their predicament and fear of the people that actually have to deal with the problem on a daily basis. There should be no reason that any American citizen should fear to leave their home because of a foreign invader, and yes, that is what they are when they jump the border illegally.
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Once again, as I have posted before...even if we do grant amnesty there is no way to enforce the penalties and that is also not a fix to the problem which is the border security in the first place. I hope you see my point...people are concerned with our safety with people being able to just walk on over and get lost from the government.