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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1996064,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo
Anchor babies isn't a very endearing term, but in Arizona those are the words being used to tag children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants. While not new, the term is increasingly part of the local vernacular because the primary authors of the nation's toughest and most controversial immigration law are targeting these tots — the legal weights that anchor many undocumented aliens in the U.S. — for their next move.
Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.
(See "The Battle for Arizona: Will a Border Crackdown Work?")
But the likely new bill is for the kids. While SB1070 essentially requires of-age migrants to have the proper citizenship paperwork, the potential "anchor baby" bill blocks the next generation from ever being able to obtain it. The idea is to make the citizenship process so difficult that illegal immigrants pull up the anchor and leave.
(See TIME's photo-essay "The Border Fence Rises in the Southwest.")
The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment states that "All persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.
(Comment on this story.)
But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says, the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," he says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born in the U.S. should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.
Those who oppose the bill say it would lead to more discrimination and divide the community. Among them is Phoenix resident Susan Vie, who is leading a citizen group that's behind an opposing ballot initiative. She moved to the U.S. 30 years ago from Argentina, became a naturalized citizen and now works as a client-relations representative for a vaccine company. "I see a lot of hate and racism behind it," Vie says. "Consequently, I believe it will create — and it's creating it now — a separation in our society." She adds, "When people look at me, they will think, 'Is she legal or illegal?' I can already feel it right now." Vie's citizen initiative would prohibit SB1070 from taking effect and place a three-year moratorium on all related laws — including the anchor-baby bill — to buy more time for federal immigration reform. Her group is racing to collect 153,365 signatures by July 1 to qualify for the Nov. 2 general election.
Both sides expect the anchor-baby bill to end up before the U.S. Supreme Court before it is enacted. "I think it would be struck down as facially unconstitutional. I can't imagine a federal judge saying this would be O.K.," says Dan Barr, a longtime Phoenix lawyer and constitutional litigator. Potentially joining the anchor-baby bill at the Supreme Court may be SB1070, which Republican Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into law in April. It is set to take effect July 29, but at least five courtroom challenges have been filed against it. Pearce says he will win them all.
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Great. One by one, step by step.
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good bye, and good riddance
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Seems pretty backwards to me... If you're born in any other country in the world, you are a citizen of that country if born on it's soil.
I think it's trying to create more stupid laws instead of just enforcing the ones we have.
It is completely useless.
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Seems pretty backwards to me... If you're born in any other country in the world, you are a citizen of that country if born on it's soil.
I think it's trying to create more stupid laws instead of just enforcing the ones we have.
It is completely useless.
Dead wrong. Most countries dont allow anchor baby sabotage like we have.
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Great. One by one, step by step.
so now you have no problem ignoring the U.S Constitution in this case??? I thought the Tea Party which you seem to be an ardent supporter of wants to "bring back" The Constitution...I'm confused.
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Dead wrong. Most countries dont allow anchor baby sabotage like we have.
Which countries?
Most countries in Europe and South America do...
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so now you have no problem ignoring the U.S Constitution in this case??? I thought the Tea Party which you seem to be an ardent supporter of wants to "bring back" The Constitution...I'm confused.
Didn't you get the memo? The Constitution is only for white people, and some blacks. Otherwise you're out of luck.
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how many other countries in the world have the problem that america does which is a bunch of prego women comming over just to poop out some borritos, because they know that the child will recieve free healthcare, food and so on and so forth? maybe that is why its not an issue for other countries
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that amendment was only made to the constitution to ensure that slave families stayed in america , NEWS FLASH we no long buy and sell slaves . so just as that stopped so should that law..
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how many other countries in the world have the problem that america does which is a bunch of prego women comming over just to poop out some borritos, because they know that the child will recieve free healthcare, food and so on and so forth? maybe that is why its not an issue for other countries
this makes me laugh....if you're talking about state provided help, Europe and most of their socialist countries are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of whatever we're doing here. They are providing a lot more than we are to be clear. :-\ So your theory is completely false.
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today people just abuse that law and use it in a way that it was never intended for..
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Didn't you get the memo? The Constitution is only for white people, and some blacks. Otherwise you're out of luck.
Maybe if these invaders were not coming here to rape the system and bleed the taxpayer dry people would be a little more sympathethic.
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this might work on NEW kids born starting on some date.
But are you going to tell a 17-year old girl who was born here, that she suddenly loses her citizenship and can't go to college? And even though she doesn't speak a lick of spanish and has lived in Boston her entire life, she suddenly has to move to mexico City?
Really?
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Didn't you get the memo? The Constitution is only for white people, and some blacks. Otherwise you're out of luck.
Actually this issue has never been challenged in court.The constitution doesnt state those that are illegal and have a kid here makes the kid a ctizen.It will be challenged eventually if a law like this passes.
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you missed my hole point completly, i wasnt comparing what we do vs. other countries, i asked how many other countries have the prob of immagrants entering their country illegally for the soul purpose of giving birth? america has a major prob with that, so compare how big our prob with that is to another country who as the level of that as america
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Maybe if these invaders were not coming here to rape the system and bleed the taxpayer dry people would be a little more sympathethic.
Weird. The most comprehensive study done on Illegals showed a net effect for america, not a deficit 70K was the figure i believe. Numerous economic studies have been undertaken by the government and the positive effect illegals have had on the economy has been proven. This is why no one has moved on the issue. It doesn't make economic sense. If you want to say it's a moral issue then so be it. But to perpetrate lies that it's about economics is patently false. Unless of course white house issued studies and economists are somehow lying to take over the world in an NWO with al gore leading the charge and obama turning everyone muslim ::)
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These people are waging economic, cultural, and demographic warfare on this country and need the freaking boot back to whereever the hell they come from along with their anchor bombs.
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exactly, if they are going to come here , just to protest our laws and the way they are treated go some where else , just like you left where you came from cause you didnt like something
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Weird. The most comprehensive study done on Illegals showed a net effect for america, not a deficit 70K was the figure i believe. Numerous economic studies have been undertaken by the government and the positive effect illegals have had on the economy has been proven. This is why no one has moved on the issue. It doesn't make economic sense. If you want to say it's a moral issue then so be it. But to perpetrate lies that it's about economics is patently false. Unless of course white house issued studies and economists are somehow lying to take over the world in an NWO with al gore leading the charge and obama turning everyone muslim ::)
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The Fed Gov loves it since some of these people pay into the SS system. However, the state govts, who cant print money like the Fed. gov. and actually have to deal with this bs are bleeding dry due to this insanity.
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Actually this issue has never been challenged in court.The constitution doesnt state those that are illegal and have a kid here makes the kid a ctizen.It will be challenged eventually if a law like this passes.
Okay Billy if this were to pass and be deemed constitutional, would you be in favor of retroactive enforcement? I am sure there were hundreds if not thousands of European immigrants who didn't have papers or falsely stated things on immigration documents. It would seem only fair to punish all immigrants wouldn't it? I'm sure we could find thousands upon thousands of 'Americans' with ties to illegal or false document immigrants from years ago. We could then void their status as Americans and be rid of those leeches. Lets start with your family. Would you like to prove your family origins came here completely legally without falsifying any documents please?
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Okay Billy if this were to pass and be deemed constitutional, would you be in favor of retroactive enforcement? I am sure there were hundreds if not thousands of European immigrants who didn't have papers or falsely stated things on immigration documents. It would seem only fair to punish all immigrants wouldn't it? I'm sure we could find thousands upon thousands of 'Americans' with ties to illegal or false document immigrants from years ago. We could then void their status as Americans and be rid of those leeches. Lets start with your family. Would you like to prove your family origins came here completely legally without falsifying any documents please?
Bingo
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Bingo
My family came here LEGALLY via Ellis island and not one has ever collected a dime of welfare, public assistance, sec. 8. WIC, etc,, like the caravan of leeches flooding us from the south.
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Canada does not allow anchor babies.
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I grew up on welfare, WIC and foodstamps. I couldn't really help it, as I was young and didn't have a say in the matter.
Poor people are always worrying about $, but they have SO MUCH free time to play, watch tv, and relax.
Now that I'm married with a double-income family, I don't stress $, but I don't get to play nearly as much as when I was broke.
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My family came here LEGALLY via Ellis island and not one has ever collected a dime of welfare, public assistance, sec. 8. WIC, etc,, like the caravan of leeches flooding us from the south.
As millions of other people did. However, that does not change the fact a very high number of families have some sort of "illegal" activity in their family's background at some point if you want to get technical. U might not even know about it.
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As millions of other people did. However, that does not change the fact a very high number of families have some sort of "illegal" activity in their family's background at some point if you want to get technical. U might not even know about it.
Right, you are going to equate peoples' actual crimes now, with some alleged crimes in the past you presume occured but cant name to rationlize the present illegal behavior. I got it.
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My family came here LEGALLY via Ellis island and not one has ever collected a dime of welfare, public assistance, sec. 8. WIC, etc,, like the caravan of leeches flooding us from the south.
Good for you. Now would you like to prove this to the feds? Cause you can't have a double standard here, it's either all babies born from illegals or none at all.
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Good for you. Now would you like to prove this to the feds? Cause you can't have a double standard here, it's either all babies born from illegals or none at all.
I have no problem doing that. Just like I have no problem giving my BC (Unlike Obama), I would gladly impose this to get rid of the 25 million invaders.
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Right, you are going to equate peoples' actual crimes now, with some alleged crimes in the past you presume occured but cant name to rationlize the present illegal behavior. I got it.
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What the fuck are you talking about Dumbo???? Crossing the border 200 years ago illegally was probably as much of a "crime" as it is today. I'm simply stating that some families came over ILLEGALLY in the past and today's descendants of that family might not even know about it. I have absolutely no problem with deporting criminals,drug dealers, and so forth...but it is simply astonishing to see some people trying to put this country on a path that would make it legal to strip somebody's citizenship/ take the birth citizenship right from them, because his parents committed an illegality. That's as fucked up as somebody in your family being convicted for a crime and you end up doing time it. C'mmon ....you're not that stupid, I'm pretty sure of it.
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What the fuck are you talking about Dumbo???? Crossing the border 200 years ago illegally was probably as much of a "crime" as it is today. I'm simply stating that some families came over ILLEGALLY in the past and today's descendants of that family might not even know about it. I have absolutely no problem with deporting criminals,drug dealers, and so forth...but it is simply astonishing to see some people trying to put this country on a path that would make it legal to strip somebody's citizenship/ take the birth citizenship right from them, because his parents committed an illegality. That's as fucked up as somebody in your family being convicted for a crime and you end up doing time it. C'mmon ....you're not that stupid, I'm pretty sure of it.
What about when these scumbags and fat pigs are 8.5 months prego and jump border for the sole purpose of getting legal status via anchor baby situation and sticking you and I with the tab?
I dont see how ANYONE justifies that.
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The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution.
Sure sounds like it does.
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What about when these scumbags and fat pigs are 8.5 months prego and jump border for the sole purpose of getting legal status via anchor baby situation and sticking you and I with the tab?
I dont see how ANYONE justifies that.
I don't know how much you know about immigration but let me tell you this, anchor or no anchor baby, that child can NOT file for his parents until he's 18 years old. Kind of a long time to wait to get legal status in this country, don't you think so?
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I don't know how much you know about immigration but let me tell you this, anchor or no anchor baby, that child can NOT file for his parents until he's 18 years old. Kind of a long time to wait to get legal status in this country, don't you think so?
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As soon as the baby is born here, it gets food stamps, medical, etc etc. And they wont deport the parents when they spit out two or three burrittos.
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As soon as the baby is born here, it gets food stamps, medical, etc etc. And they wont deport the parents when they spit out two or three burrittos.
Hmmm...I think you're trying to say...
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its funny how ppl are only for ammending the constitution only when it suits their percieved purpose...
fact is many illegals do come here to give birth to children b/c they know they will receive welfare and help and will not be deported...
its also hillarious that ppl are against the arizona law saying they should target the reasons why ppl come here instead of the ppl but then those same ppl are against a law such as this... ::) ::) ::)
this does seem to me from the text of the article to violate the constitution though so we will have to see. One thing is for sure something needs to be done about the anchor baby situation as well as the other aspects of this problem.
Arizona wouldnt have to take these measures if federal govt would enforce the laws already on the books...So I dont blame them one bit for trying to alleviate the problem within their powers.
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As millions of other people did. However, that does not change the fact a very high number of families have some sort of "illegal" activity in their family's background at some point if you want to get technical. U might not even know about it.
good grief buddy. keep reaching. ::) I'd like to see the people you hang out with.
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Good for you. Now would you like to prove this to the feds? Cause you can't have a double standard here, it's either all babies born from illegals or none at all.
Give it up already.
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good grief buddy. keep reaching. ::) I'd like to see the people you hang out with.
Obviously you completely missed the point of the discussion...."Illegal" activity =somebody in your family tree that got here illegally. ::)
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Obviously you completely missed the point of the discussion...."Illegal" activity =somebody in your family tree that got here illegally. ::)
I know that. You obviously missed what I was suggesting. ::)
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I know that. You obviously missed what I was suggesting. ::)
I guess I did. :)
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this bill is for future births I dont understand all the whining about others generations and generations ago coming here illegally? ::)
the problem wasnt as prevelant 30, 50, 100 yrs ago but IT IS NOW and as such the laws need to reflect the current situation.
I personally dont have a problem with babies born in the US having US citizenship but if that allows the entire fuking family to stay then something needs to be done.
the babies can stay fine but you give them up for adoption or transfer parental rights to legal relatives in the US BECAUSE YOUR ASS IS GETTING DEPORTED...
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it also says in the healthcare bill that the parent of these illegal babies will be able to recieve healthcare under obamas new plan, even if its their first day here and they never paid a dime into healthcare
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this bill is for future births I dont understand all the whining about others generations and generations ago coming here illegally? ::)
the problem wasnt as prevelant 30, 50, 100 yrs ago but IT IS NOW and as such the laws need to reflect the current situation.
I personally dont have a problem with babies born in the US having US citizenship but if that allows the entire fuking family to stay then something needs to be done.
the babies can stay fine but you give them up for adoption or transfer parental rights to legal relatives in the US BECAUSE YOUR ASS IS GETTING DEPORTED...
IT DOES NOT! that's where the misinformation is. The parent is still an illegal alien regardless of the fact the child is born here and has American citizenship. Even after the child is 18 years old legally you can not gain citizenship as parent if you entered the country illegally, as far as I know. American born citizens can file a family based petition but only parents that entered the country legally are eligible. And as with every piece of legislation there might be a back door somewhere but trust me you end up paying the fuckin lawyers between 20-30 k before u get some sort of results.
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IT DOES NOT! that's where the misinformation is. The parent is still an illegal alien regardless of the fact the child is born here and has American citizenship. Even after the child is 18 years old legally you can not gain citizenship as parent if you entered the country illegally, as far as I know. American born citizens can file a family based petition but only parents that entered the country legally are eligible. And as with every piece of legislation there might be a back door somewhere but trust me you end up paying the fuckin lawyers between 20-30 k before u get some sort of results.
Where did I say the parents become legal citizens?
FACT IS though that we do not deport them B/C OF THEIR CHILDREN...FACT IS the children are eligible for welfare and govt aid etc..
so if we are not going to deport the parents of a legal child and we are instead going to give aid, why wouldnt they come give birth here in america?
that is what needs to change...
Like I said fine the baby can stay but the parents gotta go, if they dont like it take the baby with them...
but the sad reality is we dont do that so something needs to be done to address the problem either stop giving aid to these facks or stop giving citizenship to the children and allowing the entire family to stay...
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Like Brewer said "Take your kids home with you"
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Like Brewer said "Take your kids home with you"
Shut up and...
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A New York hotel is staking its claim to have invented a new hospitality niche - birth tourism. The Marmara Manhattan offers "an exclusive package for new mothers that wish to give birth in the USA", with the additional bonus of the newborn child gaining US citizenship.
The hotel, which is part of the Turkish hospitality chain, exploits the 14th amendment to the US constitution, which states that all children born on American soil "are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside".
The Marmara Manhattan, which is located in New York's Upper East Side, told The Times: "What we offer is simply a one-bedroom suite accommodation for $5,100, plus taxes, for a month, with airport transfer, baby cradle and a gift set for the mother." There are also medical fees of about £20,500.
However the price is a cheap and easy one to pay for US citizenship. Many will eventually use the newborn - known as an "anchor baby" - as a stepping stone for the immigration of extended family.
The hotel has so far sold 15 of the packages.
According to the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, the practice is entirely legal as long as the women can pay their medical bills.
However there are noises being made in Washington to close the loophole.
Gary Miller, a Republican congressman, told The Times: "They come to this country and have babies. The children are citizens. The children are eligible to go to school.
They receive food stamps and social programmes. The American taxpayers are paying for it.
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/new-york-hotel-pioneers-birth-tourism/
This is fucking ridiculous. Of course, the far-left will welcome this idea with open arms.
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Dear God that is awful.
And yet, the deluded caravan of liberal freaks find no problem with that.
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A New York hotel is staking its claim to have invented a new hospitality niche - birth tourism. The Marmara Manhattan offers "an exclusive package for new mothers that wish to give birth in the USA", with the additional bonus of the newborn child gaining US citizenship.
The hotel, which is part of the Turkish hospitality chain, exploits the 14th amendment to the US constitution, which states that all children born on American soil "are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside".
The Marmara Manhattan, which is located in New York's Upper East Side, told The Times: "What we offer is simply a one-bedroom suite accommodation for $5,100, plus taxes, for a month, with airport transfer, baby cradle and a gift set for the mother." There are also medical fees of about £20,500.
However the price is a cheap and easy one to pay for US citizenship. Many will eventually use the newborn - known as an "anchor baby" - as a stepping stone for the immigration of extended family.
The hotel has so far sold 15 of the packages.
According to the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, the practice is entirely legal as long as the women can pay their medical bills.
However there are noises being made in Washington to close the loophole.
Gary Miller, a Republican congressman, told The Times: "They come to this country and have babies. The children are citizens. The children are eligible to go to school.
They receive food stamps and social programmes. The American taxpayers are paying for it.
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/new-york-hotel-pioneers-birth-tourism/
This is fucking ridiculous. Of course, the far-left will welcome this idea with open arms.
That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. In all fairness countries with a high percentage of visa denials are simply not able to take advantage of this loophole massively since the number of visas issued are extremely limited. And if you're a German or Dutch for example, or simply a citizen of any highly developed country why would you need to do something like that when your life is pretty good where you are, it doesn't make any sense.
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That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. In all fairness countries with a high percentage of visa denials are simply not able to take advantage of this loophole massively since the number of visas issued are extremely limited. And if you're a German or Dutch for example, or simply a citizen of any highly developed country why would you need to do something like that when your life is pretty good where you are, it doesn't make any sense.
You are a fucking idiot. But thank you for confirming that.
It's amazing how utterly clueless you are on most of the things you rant and rave about.
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You are a fucking idiot. But thank you for confirming that.
It's amazing how utterly clueless you are on most of the things you rant and rave about.
which part of my post was idiotic dumbass?? Why don't you point out what I'm so clueless about....instead of just calling me an idiot. ??? I would be the first one to admit I was wrong if there is something stupid in my post if you have a solid argument. Shoot. I'm listening.
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which part of my post was idiotic dumbass?? Why don't you point out what I'm so clueless about....instead of just calling me an idiot. ??? I would be the first one to admit I was wrong if there is something stupid in my post if you have a solid argument. Shoot. I'm listening.
Your entire post was one pathetic attempt to discredit me without providing ANYTHING of substance. First off, why are you using two first world countries in Germany and the Netherlands, both of whom have immigration problems of their own, in your rebuttal? Talk about a stupid example and one that was expected for someone reaching as badly as you are.
And secondly, what does the number of visas have to do with anything? The government is not likely to kick someone out after having a child that is born an American citizen on these shores. They'll stick around for a few years (any amount of time is too long) and leech benefits and other luxuries off of us. Where are the statistics of visa denials for people who have children born here? I suppose you can bring up visa denials as a whole (those including student denials and other reasons for visa denials) to try to give to weight to your argument. KCballer does the same thing you're trying to do with regards to that. Seems to be a recurring theme for people who need something concrete to hold their argument up.
"Dur dur, why would German and Dutch citizens leave their life of luxury?" I'm still dumbfounded as to how someone manages to equate a Turkish owned hotel to German and Dutch citizens and end up thinking they have a sound argument. ::)
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Your entire post was one pathetic attempt to discredit me without providing ANYTHING of substance. First off, why are you using two first world countries in Germany and the Netherlands, both of whom have immigration problems of their own, in your rebuttal? Talk about a stupid example and one that was expected for someone reaching as badly as you are.
And secondly, what does the number of visas have to do with anything? The government is not likely to kick someone out after having a child that is born an American citizen on these shores. They'll stick around for a few years (any amount of time is too long) and leech benefits and other luxuries off of us. Where are the statistics of visa denials for people who have children born here? I suppose you can bring up visa denials as a whole (those including student denials and other reasons for visa denials) to try to give to weight to your argument.
"Dur dur, why would German and Dutch citizens leave their life of luxury?" I'm still dumbfounded as to how someone manages to equate a Turkish owned hotel to German and Dutch citizens and end up thinking they have a sound argument. ::)
TRying to discredit you???????????? U never cease to amaze me!!!! My first sentence was
That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. in reference to the practice you were talking about. I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU ...maybe if you open your eyes you'll see that. ;)
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Reason I was using two countries like Germany and Netherlands( which were picked randomly could be Japan or France for all I care), here's the answer . BECAUSE THEY COULD TRAVEL TO USA WITHOUT A VISA AND THEY ARE UNLIKELY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT LOOPHOLE.
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Reason I was talking about numbers of issued/denied visas
Countries like let's say Albania, Bulgaria or any african country where poverty is in full swing will not produce a wave of immigrants to take advantage of this thing since their citizens are NOT Issued visas to get into US massively. Yes there might be one 1-10- 100 cases each and there but it does not amount to serious migration
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TRying to discredit you???????????? U never cease to amaze me!!!! My first sentence was
That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. in reference to the practice you were talking about. I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU ...maybe if you open your eyes you'll see that. ;)
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Reason I was using two countries like Germany and Netherlands( which were picked randomly could be Japan or France for all I care), here's the answer . BECAUSE THEY COULD TRAVEL TO USA WITHOUT A VISA AND THEY ARE UNLIKELY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT LOOPHOLE.
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Reason I was talking about numbers of issued/denied visas
Countries like let's say Albania, Bulgaria or any african country where poverty is in full swing will not produce a wave of immigrants to take advantage of this thing since their citizens are NOT Issued visas to get into US massively. Yes there might be one 1-10- 100 cases each and there but it does not amount to serious migration
Well, I'll admit that I misinterpreted your post then.
But the problem isn't German or Dutch citizens. Of course they're not going to use that loophole to their advantage as Germany and the Netherlands are OK countries to live in. It's third-worlders that would be more than willing to come here to have their kid and then stick around for years because the government isn't going to kick out an American citizen. And for that matter, Germany, the Netherlands and most of Europe are good examples of this. They've had a massive influx of Turkish and other Muslims immigrants (and the problems that go along with them) using loopholes and other means of gaining citizenship there, hence why anti-immigration candidates have been gaining massive political steam over there as of late.
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BF - your story is exactly why we need to give these bums a boot in the ass aling with their anchor bomb babies.