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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: BFG on August 12, 2010, 10:37:44 AM
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More info on another popular "guru," Oscar Arden.
Oscar got popular with the success of Kai Greene, and with that attention got a couple of other big names to work with him such as Evan Centopani.
Oscar's drug protocol for contest prep revolves around 3 key points:
1) 1-2 high insulin days every week - insulin is dramatically reduced for 5-6 days of the week but 1-2 days of the week are basically stuffing as many carbs down and slamming as much insulin as possible, all day. Ever notice how in all of Kai Greene's photos leading up to a contest his distention is out of control? Direct result of this. Same reason why all of Chad Nichols' clients get bad distention.
2) heavy emphasis of orals, especially anadrol - big believer in using anadrol right up to contest time to stay full. Greene is notorious for his gluttony with abombs.
3) high doses of all peptides - the more is better concept, basically just to cover all the bases possible. Every pro uses PGF, MGF, IGF, etc because even though they dont have a huge effect every guy wants as much of an edge as possible. Arden is a firm believer in upping the dosage especially with MGF and IGF, used in a synergistic cycle. gh stays very high too, 20+ iu's.
Word is Kai has been hitting the SEO's hard and dramatically increased the local IGF injections in the delts and traps to bring up his two most glaring weaknesses. Look for kai to show up at the Olympia with noticeable improvements in those areas, but still too watery and bloated.
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keep these post coming BFG ;)
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BFG, How is Jay able to improve this late in the game in terms of vascularity and muscle maturity, while at the same time also reducing bloat?
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BFG, How is Jay able to improve this late in the game in terms of vascularity and muscle maturity, while at the same time also reducing bloat?
Good question Rami.
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BFG, How is Jay able to improve this late in the game in terms of vascularity and muscle maturity, while at the same time also reducing bloat?
He cuts out chinese food.
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BFG, How is Jay able to improve this late in the game in terms of vascularity and muscle maturity, while at the same time also reducing bloat?
if you are referring to his recent showing at the 2009 O, he switched tren sources, and began even usage of insulin pre contest. The whole high insulin days that are so popular among a few gurus causes the majority of the bloat and distention you see on stage.
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thank somebody for this BFG dude, gh15 can go suck a moose cock.
keep the goods coming.
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I don't understand how getting "cleaner" tren is gonna change anything. It's not like HG vs. UG. Where UG can be dirty or underdosed.
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I don't understand how getting "cleaner" tren is gonna change anything. It's not like HG vs. UG. Where UG can be dirty or underdosed.
i have taken a LOT of tren in my past....and i must say....i have seen VERY dramatic differences in the way i look based on who it came from.......
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Furosemide substitute via now NP in his household, no 4-5 night cheats at IN n Out Burger and FST-7 high reps ::)
1st one matters the most vs 2001
as far as tren...are you saying upping from 200-300mg - over 1000mg?
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Furosemide substitute via now NP in his household, no 4-5 night cheats at IN n Out Burger and FST-7 high reps ::)
1st one matters the most vs 2001
i can totally picture jay having a IV stand in his bedroom full of furosemide with a bucket to "expell" water into so he doesn't have to get up, and waste muscle ;D
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this is the answer
(http://cache.scbih.com/content/hg2/galleries/Tc0051/6141/content/12.jpg)
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this is the answer
(http://cache.scbih.com/content/hg2/galleries/Tc0051/6141/content/12.jpg)
interesting :D
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if you are referring to his recent showing at the 2009 O, he switched tren sources, and began even usage of insulin pre contest. The whole high insulin days that are so popular among a few gurus causes the majority of the bloat and distention you see on stage.
your a fckin clown fella,,,you dont even know what happened to jay in 2009 let me set you straight,,in 2008 he lost contact of his drugs so to prepare for 2009 he find new contact for his durug of choice to ring out vascuarlity,,,it was during hte bust of 2008 that some folks intiated within the steroid community a crackdown worldwide with U.S initatiing verything,,,you clown go eat some candy in your basement while I sip on some ice tea and read my daily newspaper ::)
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your a fckin clown fella,,,you dont even know what happened to jay in 2009 let me set you straight,,in 2008 he lost contact of his drugs so to prepare for 2009 he find new contact for his durug of choice to ring out vascuarlity,,,it was during hte bust of 2008 that some folks intiated within the steroid community a crackdown worldwide with U.S initatiing verything,,,you clown go eat some candy in your basement while I sip on some ice tea and read my daily newspaper ::)
totally wrong, sorry.
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More info on another popular "guru," Oscar Arden.
Oscar got popular with the success of Kai Greene, and with that attention got a couple of other big names to work with him such as Evan Centopani.
Oscar's drug protocol for contest prep revolves around 3 key points:
1) 1-2 high insulin days every week - insulin is dramatically reduced for 5-6 days of the week but 1-2 days of the week are basically stuffing as many carbs down and slamming as much insulin as possible, all day. Ever notice how in all of Kai Greene's photos leading up to a contest his distention is out of control? Direct result of this. Same reason why all of Chad Nichols' clients get bad distention.
2) heavy emphasis of orals, especially anadrol - big believer in using anadrol right up to contest time to stay full. Greene is notorious for his gluttony with abombs.
3) high doses of all peptides - the more is better concept, basically just to cover all the bases possible. Every pro uses PGF, MGF, IGF, etc because even though they dont have a huge effect every guy wants as much of an edge as possible. Arden is a firm believer in upping the dosage especially with MGF and IGF, used in a synergistic cycle. gh stays very high too, 20+ iu's.
Word is Kai has been hitting the SEO's hard and dramatically increased the local IGF injections in the delts and traps to bring up his two most glaring weaknesses. Look for kai to show up at the Olympia with noticeable improvements in those areas, but still too watery and bloated.
Where do you get this information??
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this is the answer
(http://cache.scbih.com/content/hg2/galleries/Tc0051/6141/content/12.jpg)
I'd rather be doing that then lifting!! :) :)
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He cuts out chinese food.
Are you kidding me?
That's what got WL and Adonis ripped!!! ::) ::)
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if you are referring to his recent showing at the 2009 O, he switched tren sources, and began even usage of insulin pre contest. The whole high insulin days that are so popular among a few gurus causes the majority of the bloat and distention you see on stage.
Insulin gets alot of blame for this "distention" but wouldnt it be more the fact the larger quantitys of food that are being force fed to take advantage of the higher insulin levels giving more storage/fullness to the muscle ? its the large quantitys of food , being at a very low level of bf just makes it stand out more , no ?
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Insulin gets alot of blame for this "distention" but wouldnt it be more the fact the larger quantitys of food that are being force fed to take advantage of the higher insulin levels giving more storage/fullness to the muscle ? its the large quantitys of food , being at a very low level of bf just makes it stand out more , no ?
carb loading plays in the immediate distention. nonetheless, the actual protrusion of the abdominals is caused by a buildup of visceral fat.
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BFG when you talk about pros going over to steady insulin instead of short blasts of insulin are you talking about several small shots of a short acting insulin or once daily shots of a long acting insulin?
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More info on another popular "guru," Oscar Arden.
Oscar got popular with the success of Kai Greene, and with that attention got a couple of other big names to work with him such as Evan Centopani.
Oscar's drug protocol for contest prep revolves around 3 key points:
1) 1-2 high insulin days every week - insulin is dramatically reduced for 5-6 days of the week but 1-2 days of the week are basically stuffing as many carbs down and slamming as much insulin as possible, all day. Ever notice how in all of Kai Greene's photos leading up to a contest his distention is out of control? Direct result of this. Same reason why all of Chad Nichols' clients get bad distention.
2) heavy emphasis of orals, especially anadrol - big believer in using anadrol right up to contest time to stay full. Greene is notorious for his gluttony with abombs.
3) high doses of all peptides - the more is better concept, basically just to cover all the bases possible. Every pro uses PGF, MGF, IGF, etc because even though they dont have a huge effect every guy wants as much of an edge as possible. Arden is a firm believer in upping the dosage especially with MGF and IGF, used in a synergistic cycle. gh stays very high too, 20+ iu's.
Word is Kai has been hitting the SEO's hard and dramatically increased the local IGF injections in the delts and traps to bring up his two most glaring weaknesses. Look for kai to show up at the Olympia with noticeable improvements in those areas, but still too watery and bloated.
its nice that as amatuer in the state level you say some truth to the members here,,i like that ,,but number 3 is complete and uteer balonie,,,,WE DO NOT USE THOSE PRODUCTS ,,WE USE IGF THE REST IS NOT TOUCHED BY US,,ATLEAST NOT BY ME AND IF I DONT TOUCH IS OTHER DONT EITHER ,,tried it yes touch it for long? hell no its bunk from china,,it cost less than a double mc,,it doesnt do anything to physiqe ,,this is like pct bunch of balonie the corupt dealers which are moderators on some boards want you to believe,,
tell the currupt moderator on olm he got 16 days ,,
gh15 approved
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its nice that as amatuer in the state level you say some truth to the members here,,i like that ,,but number 3 is complete and uteer balonie,,,,WE DO NOT USE THOSE PRODUCTS ,,WE USE IGF THE REST IS NOT TOUCHED BY US,,ATLEAST NOT BY ME AND IF I DONT TOUCH IS OTHER DONT EITHER ,,tried it yes touch it for long? hell no its bunk from china,,it cost less than a double mc,,it doesnt do anything to physiqe ,,this is like pct bunch of balonie the corupt dealers which are moderators on some boards want you to believe,,
tell the currupt moderator on olm he got 16 days ,,
gh15 approved
Translation: PGF is not on the list of drugs that i sell.
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its nice that as amatuer in the state level you say some truth to the members here,,i like that ,,but number 3 is complete and uteer balonie,,,,WE DO NOT USE THOSE PRODUCTS ,,WE USE IGF THE REST IS NOT TOUCHED BY US,,ATLEAST NOT BY ME AND IF I DONT TOUCH IS OTHER DONT EITHER ,,tried it yes touch it for long? hell no its bunk from china,,it cost less than a double mc,,it doesnt do anything to physiqe ,,this is like pct bunch of balonie the corupt dealers which are moderators on some boards want you to believe,,
tell the currupt moderator on olm he got 16 days ,,
gh15 approved
BFG owns your mind, shut the fuck up
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Translation: PGF is not on the list of drugs that i sell.
pgf is one nasty drug. the pros dont take that. nobody does. anyone who tried it will never try it again, unless theyve got a damn good reason. its a sacrifice. were talking about hours of vomiting, hevay sweating, and uncontrollable diarreah that is non stop for at least an hour. and its super runny. this stuff feels like death. but hey, it works! it causes local muscle growth and kills fat cells. and its very effective at both. dont use too much, or itll kill ya. literally :D ;D
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pgf is one nasty drug. the pros dont take that. nobody does. anyone who tried it will never try it again, unless theyve got a damn good reason. its a sacrifice. were talking about hours of vomiting, hevay sweating, and uncontrollable diarreah that is non stop for at least an hour. and its super runny. this stuff feels like death. but hey, it works! it causes local muscle growth and kills fat cells. and its very effective at both. dont use too much, or itll kill ya. literally :D ;D
so i guess that's nothing YOU would worry, about, right? ::) ::)
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so i guess that's nothing YOU would worry, about, right? ::) ::)
Sounds like he's already used it many times :-\
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Looks like there's a new God in town...
Finally
down to earth and as real as it can be
much appreciated, BFG
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pgf is one nasty drug. the pros dont take that. nobody does. anyone who tried it will never try it again, unless theyve got a damn good reason. its a sacrifice. were talking about hours of vomiting, hevay sweating, and uncontrollable diarreah that is non stop for at least an hour. and its super runny. this stuff feels like death. but hey, it works! it causes local muscle growth and kills fat cells. and its very effective at both. dont use too much, or itll kill ya. literally :D ;D
I lasted a couple days with it. Its the worst thing ever.
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Sounds like he's already used it many times :-\
tbombz will shove anything up his ass when you tell him, it's a drug and only ask questions later.
He is the Dirty Harry of drug abuse.
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pgf is one nasty drug. the pros dont take that. nobody does. anyone who tried it will never try it again, unless theyve got a damn good reason. its a sacrifice. were talking about hours of vomiting, hevay sweating, and uncontrollable diarreah that is non stop for at least an hour. and its super runny. this stuff feels like death. but hey, it works! it causes local muscle growth and kills fat cells. and its very effective at both. dont use too much, or itll kill ya. literally :D ;D
yes they do........
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Looks like there's a new God in town...
Finally
down to earth and as real as it can be
much appreciated, BFG
how fickle are the masses........
you should be ashamed of yourselves
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of course PGF is used. if it works even slightly for muscle growth, its used. When was the last time nasty side effects stopped a bodybuilder from using something to build muscle?
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of course PGF is used. if it works even slightly for muscle growth, its used. When was the last time nasty side effects stopped a bodybuilder from using something to build muscle?
how many do you know of using EPO?........its big here in texas...
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