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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Deicide on September 29, 2010, 04:54:13 PM
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I really don't have a fucking clue?! ???
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most are asking for something, which you aren't suppose to do, but then after all most christians aren't really christians
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Me either. ???
But if I venture a guess, I`d say its something along the lines of making themselves feel better and reaffirming that they are glad to not be in the same predicament as the person or issue they are "praying" for.
Just more self-reassuring/affirming bullshit from small minded people who seek no real solution.
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They think someone Magical is listening to their problems like if he has nothing else do to but wait hand and foot for them
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most are asking for something, which you aren't suppose to do, but then after all most christians aren't really christians
And muslims are somehow exempt from this statement?
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And muslims are somehow exempt from this statement?
Correct, Muslims do not ask for things from Allah. Allah blesses Muslims with blessings beyond anyone's dreams. They need not to ask, Allah will provide.
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I think Hammer said it best when he said, "You gotta pray just to make it today"
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My moms very christian. She prayers all day long for people. To bless other people who are sick and who need help. She prayers for strength when she's feeling weak. She is the hardest working and strongest willed person i've ever met. She helps the entire family and other people who need help. Someone my mom new sons died in a horrible car accident. The lady whos son died came to my mom because she couldn't afford the funeral. My mom took care of her. She believes god gave her a good buisness so they can help people. You can feel the holy spirit in my parents house. I love being home under there roof for holidays ect.
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My moms very christian. She prayers all day long for people. To bless other people who are sick and who need help. She prayers for strength when she's feeling weak. She is the hardest working and strongest willed person i've ever met. She helps the entire family and other people who need help. Someone my mom new sons died in a horrible car accident. The lady whos son died came to my mom because she couldn't afford the funeral. My mom took care of her. She believes god gave her a good buisness so they can help people. You can feel the holy spirit in my parents house. I love being home under there roof for holidays ect.
Imagine what how much more good she could do is she stopped wasting so much of her time on that foolishness, She could open a funeral home and send jesus GOD all mighty's children back home to him safely back to the magical sky
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Imagine what how much more good she could do is she stopped wasting so much of her time on that foolishness
QFT
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haha oh brother, another religious thread
yes, I'm certain that getbig posters will solve a puzzle that has existed for hundreds of years and has been discussed by the smartest people that ever lived who spent their entire lives thinking about it
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Foolishness to you. It's funny how people don't beleive get upset annoyed with people who do. Their wasting there time. I've felt the presence of the lord jesus christ in my life I know he's real. I felt the holy spirit sorrund me. The holy bible makes sense to me. It's about love and treating your neighbors good. What is wrong with that.
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haha oh brother, another religious thread
yes, I'm certain that getbig posters will solve a puzzle that has existed for hundreds of years and has been discussed by the smartest people that ever lived who spent their entire lives thinking about it
There is a puzzle in all of this? ???
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I really don't have a fucking clue?! ???
What do people think will happen when they make pointless fucking threads.
I really don't have a fucking clue?! ???
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There is a puzzle in all of this? ???
yes there is. Creation ex nihlo (however its spelt) vs. the problem of evil, deism vs theism, idea of impossibility of being an atheist, etc
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the human brain responds to prayer in a unique way, a way only activated by prayer. whther or not you realize the necessary existence of God, its an undeniable fact reveleaed through science that the human brain contains a segment devoted to communication with God. take it for what its worth
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Foolishness to you. It's funny how people don't beleive get upset annoyed with people who do. Their wasting there time. I've felt the presence of the lord jesus christ in my life I know he's real. I felt the holy spirit sorrund me. The holy bible makes sense to me. It's about love and treating your neighbors good. What is wrong with that.
Next time your Lord Jeasus christ is in your presence inform him that his Shitty people in the sand are cutting peoples heads off and his Sacrifice on the cross didn't change shit, Tell him to have a better game plan next time
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You think Jesus is gonna intervene in every conflict everywhere in the world. He puts us here to make our own decisions. There is a devil to.
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You think Jesus is gonna intervene in every conflict everywhere in the world. He puts here to make our own decisions. There is a devil to.
and we're off!
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You think Jesus is gonna intervene in every conflict everywhere in the world. He puts here to make our own decisions. There is a devil to.
He intervened when you were taking a dump between meal #4 and meal #5 as you have stated. (Surrounded you I think were your words). So why not intervene in actual conflicts where real people die?
I mean you probably need all the help you can get physique wise, but why are you and your feces more important than the rest of humanity?
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You think Jesus is gonna intervene in every conflict everywhere in the world. He puts us here to make our own decisions. There is a devil to.
I surely thought he would intervene when i slipped that girl a mickey at the bar
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I'm trying not to sound like preachy jerk. It's funny though everyone who denies god as soon as they hit rock bottom or their life is in serious danger or a family members life is in danger they 90% of the time find god.
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there is something out there beyond our comprehension
some feel it others don't
if you don't feel it don't bash the ones who do.
but of course there are plenty of people who claim religion but don't live it (usually baptists) and they make the rest of us look bad
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Obama is a socialist. Sociliamism bad. We all no jesus was anti socialism. Christkillers are the only socialists. Infedals are evil we shall bomb the middle east until we acheive peace.
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I'm trying not to sound like preachy jerk. It's funny though everyone who denies god as soon as they hit rock bottom or their life is in serious danger or a family members life is in danger they 90% of the time find god.
amen. one bad car wreck and the first words out of their mouth are begging God for forgiveness
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i once had a problem taking off a nut off the axel from my car, and i said Lord Please, PLEASE LORD ALL MIGHT allow me the power to release this stubbern NUT, and it came loose, THen i asked PLEASE lord PLEASE no more crack babys, and the lord said NO, CRACK BABYS make the world turn, now finish fixing your car my son
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I'm trying not to sound like preachy jerk. It's funny though everyone who denies god as soon as they hit rock bottom or their life is in serious danger or a family members life is in danger they 90% of the time find god.
Not really. Complete myth.
Take it from Pat Tillman`s brother. Pwning Mccain and other religious schmucks at his brother`s funeral:
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amen. one bad car wreck and the first words out of their mouth are begging God for forgiveness
So what your saying is God likes people to grovel at his feet, thats why he makes them have bad car wrecks so he feel more important then he already is ???
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You infidels will die when Allah comes to save you from deliverences. But I digress.
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there is something out there beyond our comprehension
existence is beyond our comprehension. material, matter, the very thing of which everything is made, doesnt make any sense at all. energy, the driving force of all existence, is really nothing more than matter. but matter, anytihng solid, is by definiton infinitely divisible. so the atom, the basic building block of all matter, the smallest unit of matter before it explodes into energy, is itself made up of infiniteyly divisible material. think about the membrane, the skin of the atom. what is this solid material covering the outside of this basic unit of matter? and once the atom is split, and it 'transforms' into energy, what then happens to this skin material that was the outside shell of the atom? what is it made of?
thats only the beginning of the beginning
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amen. one bad car wreck and the first words out of their mouth are begging God for forgiveness
I'll try not to get involved in this thread too much, but you are wrong
A lot of people stop believing in God WHEN something bad happens to them. Because God is suppose to be omniscient (all knowing), omni benevolent (wholly good), and omnipotent (all powerful). So for these 3 to be true, the idea that evil can still exist in the world is not logical.
Example: I'm a grown adult. I walk by a lake. A child is at the edge of the lake drowning. I stand there and watch the child drown. Someone asks me "why didn't you help him?" I reply "I knew he was drowning, i didn't want him to drown, and I could have prevented him from drowning". Your first response would be to think that i am lying about one of those, because those don't make any sense if I still let the child drown, correct?
So for evil to exist in the world with that type of God, God had to have been able to prevent it, seen it coming, and not want it, yet evil exists in the world. 3 options for pro God people to avoid this paradox. They can either deny one of those omnipredicates and say that God isnt all knowing, or wholly good, or all powerful. Or they can deny that evil exists in the world. Or they can use the theodicy argument.
Gayer than typing out philosophy on getbig
EDIT: the type of "God" i am referring to is the God of theism: judaism, islam, christianity
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You guessed it I have no idea what you fucks are saying as its just as postless as me trying to increase my post count.
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I'm trying not to sound like preachy jerk. It's funny though everyone who denies god as soon as they hit rock bottom or their life is in serious danger or a family members life is in danger they 90% of the time find god.
Why would that be funny? I think that would be pretty remarkable. Remember, you have "felt god's presence" so you are enlightened and know otherwise.
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Or they can use the theodicy argument.
theodicy= justification of god
thats way too vague
evil exists because good exists. everything is dependant upon its opposite.
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the human brain responds to prayer in a unique way, a way only activated by prayer. whther or not you realize the necessary existence of God, its an undeniable fact reveleaed through science that the human brain contains a segment devoted to communication with God. take it for what its worth
We could repeat the process and make people pray for the squirrels of the forest instead and the results might be similar. Prayer is the ultimate conditioning tool, in which a person believes he is communicating with something and can change his future life. Of course that affects parts of the brain that aren't usually activated. Person uses all his mental power to make himself believe that the prayer works.
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the human brain responds to prayer in a unique way, a way only activated by prayer. whther or not you realize the necessary existence of God, its an undeniable fact reveleaed through science that the human brain contains a segment devoted to communication with God. take it for what its worth
Im amazed nobody picked up on this Gem, care to post those scientific studies, stud?
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theodicy= justification of god
thats way too vague
evil exists because good exists. everything is dependant upon its opposite.
okay Augustine. God is all powerful so he could make a world where there was only good, correct?
Theodicy is not that simple. Theodicy says that yes evil exists in the world, yes God could have made the world without evil, but for reasons we as humans cant understand (this is the loophole) evil is necessary. Like an ugly spot on a painting that is ugly by itself but when we see the whole painting, it's necessary to make the painting as a whole beatuiful. This idea comes from Leibniz.
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Cognitive training(praying) is actually a useful tool for altering peoples lives. Tricking your brain into believing that theres order or purpose in this universe is a very important part of survival. Science nuthuggers do this all day long, grab hold of theories they know nothing about. They only difference is people that believe in science think no one else knows what they know. ::)
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Im amazed nobody picked up on this Gem, care to post those scientific studies, stud?
I assumed his post as truth, but yeah some kind of link to those studies would be nice.
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I have never needed to 'find God' as to me he was never lost.
I say a few private prayers each day and I go to Mass. This may sound silly but I do find and feel peace and optimism for being religious. Is this God or simply endorphins through some sort of self-hynosis? Who knows. Either way my beliefs have never caused others harm or impinged on their life.
I believe in God. I do not try to make others do so.
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okay Augustine. God is all powerful so he could make a world where there was only good, correct?
Theodicy is not that simple. Theodicy says that yes evil exists in the world, yes God could have made the world without evil, but for reasons we as humans cant understand (this is the loophole) evil is necessary. Like an ugly spot on a painting that is ugly by itself but when we see the whole painting, it's necessary to make the painting as a whole beatuiful. This idea comes from Leibniz.
you cant understand why evil is necessary? well, if god DID create a world without evil, we were all born 100% morally virtuous people in a world free of pain, tradgedy, discomfort of any kind, would we appreciate our lives? would we have any idea that our lives were good? we would not know that we experienced no pain or discomfort, because we would have no ideas what those things even were.
im a huge fan of leibniz.. he is probably th emost accurate philosoper as to the true nature of existence. as the modern age ended and we moved into the postmodern era, philosphers persuaded by the emperics logical pragmatism became afraid of making any kind of affirmation, and lost any contribution there philosophies may have made in the process. pragmatists tend to forget that the very heart of their system lies one fundamental fact= nothing can be proven logically undeniable.. neither induction nor deduction is valid.. and thus by taking the pragmatist position they would be better off just submitting a blank piece of parchment.. anyways, i digress...
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I'll try not to get involved in this thread too much, but you are wrong
A lot of people stop believing in God WHEN something bad happens to them. Because God is suppose to be omniscient (all knowing), omni benevolent (wholly good), and omnipotent (all powerful). So for these 3 to be true, the idea that evil can still exist in the world is not logical.
Example: I'm a grown adult. I walk by a lake. A child is at the edge of the lake drowning. I stand there and watch the child drown. Someone asks me "why didn't you help him?" I reply "I knew he was drowning, i didn't want him to drown, and I could have prevented him from drowning". Your first response would be to think that i am lying about one of those, because those don't make any sense if I still let the child drown, correct?
So for evil to exist in the world with that type of God, God had to have been able to prevent it, seen it coming, and not want it, yet evil exists in the world. 3 options for pro God people to avoid this paradox. They can either deny one of those omnipredicates and say that God isnt all knowing, or wholly good, or all powerful. Or they can deny that evil exists in the world. Or they can use the theodicy argument.
Gayer than typing out philosophy on getbig
EDIT: the type of "God" i am referring to is the God of theism: judaism, islam, christianity
off the top off my head, i can see a few key variables you're not counting.
1.) Job 1:7 says that satan roams the earth, and the gospels clearly show Satan temping humans. So if Satan is on earth, what stops him from doing evil? Which brings us to.
2.) If God helps those who ask, why is it his fault for not sticking everyone of us in a protective garden? He tried that already, with brings us to.
3.) original sin. Man's punishment was disobeying God was pain in life.
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I assumed his post as truth, but yeah some kind of link to those studies would be nice.
Yes, Id be interested in these studies that prove that part of the brain is for communication with God!!Did those scientists find Gods phone number, email and facebook page in there?Cumdrizzle is basically saying we proved the existence of God and we now know how to communicate with him, do you really expect those studies to exist?!
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Im amazed nobody picked up on this Gem, care to post those scientific studies, stud?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997741
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Lets say you have kennel full of puppies you are trying to raise. Do you challenge them with something to make them appreciate their lives more, like kick them or step on them or do you pet them and give them all the love you can? If you do the latter, you are better than god.
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you cant understand why evil is necessary? well, if god DID create a world without evil, we were all born 100% morally virtuous people in a world free of pain, tradgedy, discomfort of any kind, would we appreciate our lives? would we have any idea that our lives were good? we would not know that we experienced no pain or discomfort, because we would have no ideas what those things even were.
im a huge fan of leibniz.. he is probably th emost accurate philosoper as to the true nature of existence. as the modern age ended and we moved into the postmodern era, philosphers persuaded by the emperics logical pragmatism became afraid of making any kind of affirmation, and lost any contribution there philosophies may have made in the process. pragmatists tend to forget that the very heart of their system lies one fundamental fact= nothing can be proven logically undeniable.. neither induction nor deduction is valid.. and thus by taking the pragmatist position they would be better off just submitting a blank piece of parchment.. anyways, i digress...
I'm avoiding a huge list of homework by being on here, so I'll type this and leave for a few hours. God could have created us with that appreciation already built in us. God could have given us that lesson and appreciation already and not need evil if he is all powerful, correct? You're saying that without bad we wont appreciate good. Why cant God make us appreciate good without bad?
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amen. one bad car wreck and the first words out of their mouth are begging God for forgiveness
"I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."
Luke 15:7
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The Invention Of Lying... with Ricky Gervais comes to mind when reading this.
"The Man In The Sky".
Try this one, then: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=X9omBYO9T7E&feature=related (http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=X9omBYO9T7E&feature=related)
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997741
"from Christians who speak in tongues to Buddhist monks to people who claim to have had near-death experiences"
The inherent problem with all of this, tbombz, is that everyone's perception on what god is, is entirely different, influenced by your environment and upbringing, which is strong evidence that it's all just wishful thinking.
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I'm avoiding a huge list of homework by being on here, so I'll type this and leave for a few hours. God could have created us with that appreciation already built in us. God could have given us that lesson and appreciation already and not need evil if he is all powerful, correct? You're saying that without bad we wont appreciate good. Why cant God make us appreciate good without bad?
Original sin.
God made us good. We fucked up. We can can be good again though Christ.
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off the top off my head, i can see a few key variables you're not counting.
1.) Job 1:7 says that satan roams the earth, and the gospels clearly show Satan temping humans. So if Satan is on earth, what stops him from doing evil? Which brings us to.
2.) If God helps those who ask, why is it his fault for not sticking everyone of us in a protective garden? He tried that already, with brings us to.
3.) original sin. Man's punishment was disobeying God was pain in life.
Had to respond to this before leaving
My response: Why did God give Adam and Eve the option of the tree of knowledge? Why did God create the tree if he knew (because he has to know by default, he's all knowing) that they would disobey God. Why did God create Adam and Eve with the ability to disobey. Why did God create satan knowing that he would lead humans to hell eventually.
FYI: I am not telling what I believe. I"m telling the arguments. I havn't said yet what i personally believe
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I'm avoiding a huge list of homework by being on here, so I'll type this and leave for a few hours. God could have created us with that appreciation already built in us. God could have given us that lesson and appreciation already and not need evil if he is all powerful, correct? You're saying that without bad we wont appreciate good. Why cant God make us appreciate good without bad?
we love god beause he gave us our own identity. we shape ourselves. tabula rasa= blank slate. emperics are absolutely right about pragmatism and knowledge coming from sense perception only. god gave us freedom of thought, freedom of action. he allows us ot be evil, or good. creating a people that are forced to be a certain way, think a certain way is not good. god is good. he created us and gave us production control of ourselves.
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I have never needed to 'find God' as to me he was never lost.
I say a few private prayers each day and I go to Mass. This may sound silly but I do find and feel peace and optimism for being religious. Is this God or simply endorphins through some sort of self-hynosis? Who knows. Either way my beliefs have never caused others harm or impinged on their life.
I believe in God. I do not try to make others do so.
In physc its important to belive theres order and reason to the universe. The simple truth is there isnt. Its a meaningless assumption so humans need something to grasp inorder to be healthy.
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Original sin.
God made us good. We fucked up. We can can be good again though Christ.
Great plan, god. He just couldn't realise how fucking dumb people can be.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997741
That was laughable, all that said was what chemical proceses and which part of the brain are used during "prayer" i.e begging and self "hypnosis", guess what, the brain uses chemicals and different parts for every emotion, thought or feeling we have!Again please post the studies that have identified what God is and that we are 100% able to communicate with it.
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I see what you mean.
I was raised no differently from many of my sisters and brothers yet I feel compelled to go to Mass. Much the same way as my Dad does. It is not the Catholic guilt etc. But I genuinely feel a peace and calmness when in Mass and often when I pray.
I do not use God as a crutch. I do not use him as a last resort either. He is there perpetually for anyone who wishes.
But I do not think I am doing harm to myself or others in believeing in God.
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god gave us freedom of thought, freedom of action.
If you believe this, you believe that some people just want to become pedophile rapists. They might have been bored one day and thought hey I could start raping little children. Is that how it works?
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Had to respond to this before leaving
My response: Why did God give Adam and Eve the option of the tree of knowledge? Why did God create the tree if he knew (because he has to know by default, he's all knowing) that they would disobey God. Why did God create Adam and Eve with the ability to disobey. Why did God create satan knowing that he would lead humans to hell eventually.
FYI: I am not telling what I believe. I"m telling the arguments. I havn't said yet what i personally believe
Youre still assuming that the universe can be completely good with us knowing both good and evil.
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Great plan, god. He just couldn't realise how fucking dumb people can be.
He knew, he loved us too much. That's why he ask Adam if he ate from the Tree of the knowledge even tho he must have known.
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God gave free will and respects that decision right to the very end.
When he died on the cross for us he paid the price for all our sins. This did not mean that we are all good and can all go to heaven. It means that through his death and sacrafice we have the choice to return to God and turn back to him.
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He knew, he loved us too much. That's why he ask Adam if he ate from the Tree of the knowledge even tho he must have known.
No, he really didn't know. God was at the point a ghost like entity wandering through the paradise and had even more human like attributes than he later on would have.
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God gave free will and respects that decision right to the very end.
When he died on the cross for us he paid the price for all our sins. This did not mean that we are all good and can all go to heaven. It means that through his death and sacrafice we have the choice to return to God and turn back to him.
When you mock Derek Anthony for example, do you pray to God for forgiveness after?If not then why?
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Honestly, no.
It does not come to my mind. I do however apologise and ask for forgiveness for the things I am genuinely sorry for. You only get forgiven for things you are sorry for. I have plenty of things I have done wrong.
Maybe my brashness and foul mouth will set my fate but no point in lying to God or myself.
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So what your saying is God likes people to grovel at his feet, thats why he makes them have bad car wrecks so he feel more important then he already is ???
of course not, just when bad things happen people's pride drops and they change their tune.
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off the top off my head, i can see a few key variables you're not counting.
1.) Job 1:7 says that satan roams the earth, and the gospels clearly show Satan temping humans. So if Satan is on earth, what stops him from doing evil? Which brings us to.
2.) If God helps those who ask, why is it his fault for not sticking everyone of us in a protective garden? He tried that already, with brings us to.
3.) original sin. Man's punishment was disobeying God was pain in life.
Bingo
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i once had a problem taking off a nut off the axel from my car, and i said Lord Please, PLEASE LORD ALL MIGHT allow me the power to release this stubbern NUT, and it came loose, THen i asked PLEASE lord PLEASE no more crack babys, and the lord said NO, CRACK BABYS make the world turn, now finish fixing your car my son
LOLZ
im gonna ask jesus for training advice
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Foolishness to you. It's funny how people don't beleive get upset annoyed with people who do. Their wasting there time. I've felt the presence of the lord jesus christ in my life I know he's real. I felt the holy spirit sorrund me. The holy bible makes sense to me. It's about love and treating your neighbors good. What is wrong with that.
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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God is a future event.
End of thread.
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in all honesty though, put someone in a situation where they are facing death and they become religious real quick lol.
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God is a future event.
End of thread.
alpha and omega
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Foolishness to you. It's funny how people don't beleive get upset annoyed with people who do. Their wasting there time. I've felt the presence of the lord jesus christ in my life I know he's real. I felt the holy spirit sorrund me. The holy bible makes sense to me. It's about love and treating your neighbors good. What is wrong with that.
LOL OF course you felt the holy spirit bro! The bible says god is everywhere man. It would be weird to not feel the jesus in the air!
I don't know about you, BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT JESUS! Can I get a hallelujah!
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(http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-08-30/1283146964168.jpg)
:D
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just sayin
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(http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-08-30/1283146964168.jpg)
:D
How do fossils test our faith ???
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How do fossils test our faith ???
It's a common explanation by Christians why there are fossils that are millions are years old. Apparently he is testing their faith but placing them there.
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just sayin
WHat in the FUck is that >?
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It's a common explanation by Christians why there are fossils that are millions are years old. Apparently he is testing their faith but placing them there.
Thanks D
So for that to be "pwnage" ;D would it include these assumptions:
1. That the bible states that the earth itself is only ~6000 years old. (It doesn't)
2. That people that subscribe to the thought that the earth and life are millions of years old have faith in what they have read/been taught about carbon dating and the geological column.
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Not really. Complete myth.
Take it from Pat Tillman`s brother. Pwning Mccain and other religious schmucks at his brother`s funeral:
How does the brother apply to makaveli's post? Or are you saying it applies to Pat Tillman himself?
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WHat in the FUck is that >?
that's the Bishop in Atlanta thinking about Jamie Curtis while he's praying
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Thanks D!
So for that to be "pwnage" ;D would it include these assumptions:
1. That the bible states that the earth itself is only ~6000 years old. (It doesn't)
2. That people that subscribe to the thought that the earth and life are millions of years old have faith in what they have read/been taught about carbon dating and the geological column.
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Carbon dating is not based on faith. Nor are the DOZENS of other dating systems used in science. That is just pure ignorance. You don't really believe that millions of scientists have over the decades developed multiple dating systems based on faith do you? :-\
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How does the brother apply to makaveli's post? Or are you saying it applies to Pat Tillman himself?
It applies to Tillman himself as he is described as not being religious.
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It applies to Tillman himself as he is described as not being religious.
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(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/demotivational-posters-religion.jpg)
hahahahahahahaha thats so messed up
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It's a common explanation by Christians why there are fossils that are millions are years old. Apparently he is testing their faith but placing them there.
"....a common explanation by Christians....."
Just not true friend.
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He had good genetics!
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LOL OF course you felt the holy spirit bro! The bible says god is everywhere man. It would be weird to not feel the jesus in the air!
I don't know about you, BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT JESUS! Can I get a hallelujah!
James, I'm sorry to say, but at this point in your life you can't understand the meaning of his post.
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James, I'm sorry to say, but at this point in your life you can't understand the meaning of his post.
Are you a Christian fanatic now Man? ???
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Are you a Christian fanatic now Man? ???
Being a believer in Christ doesn't necesitate fanaticism. I believe in Christ, I believe in the cross and I'm a Christian...no more, no less.
I'm not afraid to express what I believe in a mild-mannered, tactful way.
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Again, atheists are just as delusional and arrogant as believers.....neither side can prove a godamn thing.
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Again, atheists are just as delusional and arrogant as believers.....neither side can prove a godamn thing.
Honestly, I don't find that many arrogant atheists.....most are well-educated, highly-informed people searching for answers. Unfortunately, I do see many arrogant believers who don't possess a quarter of the knowledge their non-believing counterparts possess. This is something I'm attempting to rectify in my own life. In this age of lightning fast knowledge and communication you can't present a convincing position unless you can really back up your position. Nonbelievers often want to skip the message of Christ and go right into the most difficult questions of physics and microbiology that neither they or the believers they're confronting can answer. We all regurgitate what others have said, but few take the time to personally evaluate both sides of the equation in a truly honest way....not all are like this, but unfortunately the majority are (both believers and nonbelievers alike).
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what i don't get about Atheists is that they make a cause that is based on not believing in something.
Isn't that kinda like making a whole cause about not believing that Barney the Dinosaur doesn't exist in real life?
I mean, I know that Barney is just a character but I don't go make a big deal about it or join some sort of cause to support that- it's just something I accept and don't even think of ever.
Why do Atheists make such a big deal about how they don't believe in God then? If he/she/it doesn't exist then why pay it any mind?
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Honestly, I don't find that many arrogant atheists.....most are well-educated, highly-informed people searching for answers. Unfortunately, I do see many arrogant believers who don't possess a quarter of the knowledge their non-believing counterparts possess. This is something I'm attempting to rectify in my own life. In this age of lightning fast knowledge and communication you can't present a convincing position unless you can really back up your position. Nonbelievers often want to skip the message of Christ and go right into the most difficult questions of physics and microbiology that neither they or the believers they're confronting can answer. We all regurgitate what others have said, but few take the time to personally evaluate both sides of the equation in a truly honest way....not all are like this, but unfortunately the majority are (both believers and nonbelievers alike).
Neither side can prove 100% whether there is or is'nt a god. To claim either side requires a certain amount of delusionality and arrogance. Period. What's so godamn hard to understand about that?
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what i don't get about Atheists is that they make a cause that is based on not believing in something.
Isn't that kinda like making a whole cause about not believing that Barney the Dinosaur doesn't exist in real life?
I mean, I know that Barney is just a character but I don't go make a big deal about it or join some sort of cause to support that- it's just something I accept and don't even think of ever.
Why do Atheists make such a big deal about how they don't believe in God then? If he/she/it doesn't exist then why pay it any mind?
Look at your country man.
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what i don't get about Atheists is that they make a cause that is based on not believing in something.
Isn't that kinda like making a whole cause about not believing that Barney the Dinosaur doesn't exist in real life?
I mean, I know that Barney is just a character but I don't go make a big deal about it or join some sort of cause to support that- it's just something I accept and don't even think of ever.
Why do Atheists make such a big deal about how they don't believe in God then? If he/she/it doesn't exist then why pay it any mind?
Do you really want a person of power(POTUS, etc) making decisions that directly effect you and me based on what some magical voice in the sky tells them to do?
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what i don't get about Atheists is that they make a cause that is based on not believing in something.
Isn't that kinda like making a whole cause about not believing that Barney the Dinosaur doesn't exist in real life?
I mean, I know that Barney is just a character but I don't go make a big deal about it or join some sort of cause to support that- it's just something I accept and don't even think of ever.
Why do Atheists make such a big deal about how they don't believe in God then? If he/she/it doesn't exist then why pay it any mind?
I've wondered some of these same things. I've spoken with atheists that are highly offended by religion, but this world is heavily favored by non-believing people, symbols and cultures. It's far easier for an atheist to ignore believers than believers to ignore nonbelievers, but there in lies the believer's responsibility.....to communicate to others about what they belief and how others can also share in that belief. Look at cable television, it's 98% secular and 2% religious.....same thing with libraries and the world of music....just a few example. It's far easier for an atheist to turn a deaf ear or blind eye than a believer.
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Neither side can prove 100% whether there is or is'nt a god. To claim either side requires a certain amount of delusionality and arrogance. Period. What's so godamn hard to understand about that?
Atheists don't disprove god. We view what has been proposed through various religions as being unsubstantiated. It's not that hard to understand.
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Atheists don't disprove god. We view what has been proposed through various religions as being unsubstantiated. It's not that hard to understand.
That would make you an agnostic...just like me. You, as I, have no problem with saying "I don't know" and neither does anyone else.
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Neither side can prove 100% whether there is or is'nt a god. To claim either side requires a certain amount of delusionality and arrogance. Period. What's so godamn hard to understand about that?
I understand from a non-believer's perspective how it's simple to reach this conclusion, but as a believer I simply don't agree with the conclusion.
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Do you really want a person of power(POTUS, etc) making decisions that directly effect you and me based on what some magical voice in the sky tells them to do?
okay, that would be the exception to what i stated...but, other than that what is the big deal if you DON'T believe in something.
again, I don't believe in Barney the dinosaur being a real person so i'm not gonna start a "not for profit" group to support that cause
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That would make you an agnostic...just like me. You, as I, have no problem with saying "I don't know" and neither does anyone else.
We don't know for sure whether Zeus and Poseidon exist either yet most of us go about our business as if they don't. Same thing applies to the Abrahamic god.
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That would make you an agnostic...just like me. You, as I, have no problem with saying "I don't know" and neither does anyone else.
The words are subjective. Regardless, it's not considered a creed but rather a method. A lot of people who call themselves atheists do not have some life purpose or cause to disprove god. Maybe some do.
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I really don't have a fucking clue?! ???
Too bad you're wasting your time thinking about it! Just imagine what else you could be doing besides starting a thread like this. SAD!
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Atheists have one less religion to believe in than Christians.
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Atheists have one less religion to believe in than Christians.
I see you're up on your dawkins
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I really don't have a fucking clue?! ???
When I pray the majority of time I'm lifting others up in prayer. Other times either before or during prayer I feel compelled to pray for a person or situation so I do. I don't pray that much for myself, but I do pray for myself from time to time (for courage, for healing, for strength, for guidance, foor wisdom). I rarely pray for material things. I pray for family and friends and those people in my small circle of the world. I often pray and give thanks and praise to God for the many blessings in my life. I pray that I develop into a good father. I pray that my faith won't falter and that I'll have the courage to share it with others.
In summary, I'm praying to God for those types of things.....that's what I know I'm doing.
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I've felt the presence of the lord jesus christ in my life I know he's real.
seriously the last guy that told me this in person is now in an institution
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seriously the last guy that told me this in person is now in an institution
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Earl, I've always respected your brand of humor, but in all seriousness this is a concept (holy spirit washing over a believer) that isn't understood by nonbelievers. I don't fault them for that....it's just the truth. Now that I've gotten my head on straight and reclaimed by faith and salvation, I've once again experienced the holy spirit wash over me time and time again. It happens in times of quiet meditation, during prayer, during worship, etc.....it's a very initimate, special time but hard to put in words. There are others much wiser and more articulate than me that can explain much better.
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what really sucks is when you die....
thats it ,,its done ..
there is nothing else its over
unfortuately
there is no god
no supreme being
no ala
i mean
nothing
the end
just dirt!
and that really sucks bad!!!!
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what really sucks is when you die....
thats it ,,its done ..
there is nothing else its over
unfortuately
there is no god
no supreme being
no ala
i mean
nothing
the end
just dirt!
and that really sucks bad!!!!
Boy do I have good news for you brother!!
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Earl, I've always respected your brand of humor, but in all seriousness this is a concept (holy spirit washing over a believer) that isn't understood by nonbelievers. I don't fault them for that....it's just the truth. Now that I've gotten my head on straight and reclaimed by faith and salvation, I've once again experienced the holy spirit wash over me time and time again. It happens in times of quiet meditation, during prayer, during worship, etc.....it's a very initimate, special time but hard to put in words. There are others much wiser and more articulate than me that can explain much better.
haha ok "man of steel"
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Earl, I've always respected your brand of humor, but in all seriousness this is a concept (holy spirit washing over a believer) that isn't understood by nonbelievers. I don't fault them for that....it's just the truth. Now that I've gotten my head on straight and reclaimed by faith and salvation, I've once again experienced the holy spirit wash over me time and time again. It happens in times of quiet meditation, during prayer, during worship, etc.....it's a very initimate, special time but hard to put in words. There are others much wiser and more articulate than me that can explain much better.
Yea i get that same feeling when i watch a good porno or eat a nice cup of mocha almond ice cream
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Yea i get that same feeling when i watch a good porno or eat a nice cup of mocha almond ice cream
I can't speak to the porn part, but as a fat guy I do get awfully giddy around cookies n cream.
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Well, If you don't believe in God and this is it....WHAT'S STOPPING YOU????? Go rob a bank, kill a few of your hated enemies. You don't have to worry about your after life. If your smart and get away from it then go to it. That's one thing I figure out about Athiests!
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the human brain responds to prayer in a unique way, a way only activated by prayer. whther or not you realize the necessary existence of God, its an undeniable fact reveleaed through science that the human brain contains a segment devoted to communication with God. take it for what its worth
No, not even close. They know that people, when doing the act of prayer, have a certain part of their brain stimulated. Guess what? Same when you're horny.
They don't know that the communication is ending up with god.
I don't doubt a lot of these idiots BELIEVE it's effective. But then again, how can you argue with people who refute all logic and evidence, laid right out before them?
Shit is weak, man.
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Well, If you don't believe in God and this is it....WHAT'S STOPPING YOU????? Go rob a bank, kill a few of your hated enemies. You don't have to worry about your after life. If your smart and get away from it then go to it. That's one thing I figure out about Athiests!
Uhm...no.
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Well, If you don't believe in God and this is it....WHAT'S STOPPING YOU????? Go rob a bank, kill a few of your hated enemies. You don't have to worry about your after life. If your smart and get away from it then go to it. That's one thing I figure out about Athiests!
Ridiculous.
Morality is self evident. If you need a god to stop you from being a reckless nut then what does that really say about yourself and why would god want anything to do with you anyway?
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Had to respond to this before leaving
My response: Why did God give Adam and Eve the option of the tree of knowledge? Why did God create the tree if he knew (because he has to know by default, he's all knowing) that they would disobey God. Why did God create Adam and Eve with the ability to disobey. Why did God create satan knowing that he would lead humans to hell eventually.
FYI: I am not telling what I believe. I"m telling the arguments. I havn't said yet what i personally believe
How are we supposed to sleep tonight?
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How are we supposed to sleep tonight?
The same way you normally would. Disregarding the argument that isn't your own and keep on living your life the same way as if this thread had never been created.
That's the odd thing about arguing about religion. People still go about their daily lives afterwards no matter what they believe.
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LOL at the :30sec mark ::) ::) ::) guy needs his last prayer read to him before he goes to war ::) ::) ::)
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LOL at the :30sec mark ::) ::) ::) guy needs his last prayer read to him before he goes to war ::) ::) ::)
phil can't read? ???
:D this thread is fun lol
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Well, If you don't believe in God and this is it....WHAT'S STOPPING YOU????? Go rob a bank, kill a few of your hated enemies. You don't have to worry about your after life. If your smart and get away from it then go to it. That's one thing I figure out about Athiests!
wtf do u think dude how bout jail ah prison!!!! duhhhhh
perfect logic from people who essentually believe in the tooth fairy of god
jsut cause there is no afterlife ur suppose to make this life suck by goin to prison jeeez perfect logic
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James, I'm sorry to say, but at this point in your life you can't understand the meaning of his post.
I get it completely, i just like to make humor (not claiming quality here) of christian beliefs.
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Seriously though, god wouldn't put before us more than we can handle ourselves right?! He just forgot about Darfur.
(http://www.iansa.org/women/images/darfur1.jpg)
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That's why GOD gave us the ability to create the ADAM BOMB so we can destroy not only ourselves but every living thing GOD ever created into extinction
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Ridiculous.
Morality is self evident. If you need a god to stop you from being a reckless nut then what does that really say about yourself and why would god want anything to do with you anyway?
Exactly, It's the philosophy brother! So why argue about God or not, If someone wants to worship a rock but they are good, loving people then why not?
You seem to be on the anti-religion bandwagon. How many nasty posts have you written on here hurting others in the process? Maybe you should follow the judeo/christian "philosophy" and be a "nicer" person. Yeah?
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Exactly, It's the philosophy brother! So why argue about God or not, If someone wants to worship a rock but they are good, loving people then why not?
You seem to be on the anti-religion bandwagon. How many nasty posts have you written on here hurting others in the process? Maybe you should follow the judeo/christian "philosophy" and be a "nicer" person. Yeah?
Why is the word philosophy in quotes?
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Exactly, It's the philosophy brother! So why argue about God or not, If someone wants to worship a rock but they are good, loving people then why not?
You seem to be on the anti-religion bandwagon. How many nasty posts have you written on here hurting others in the process? Maybe you should follow the judeo/christian "philosophy" and be a "nicer" person. Yeah?
It was you that decided to jump into this thread and imply that anyone who doesn't believe in a god is an inherent murderer and bank robber. Now you want sympathy from me? :D I don't feel the need to break any laws, Fallsview - maybe an occasional speeding ticket. :o I file my taxes, I donate to charities... I don't need your god to be a nicer person either. If you can't handle a little bit of my debating, you're free to ignore me :)
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"You can only pray so much, after that, it's begging"
Archie Bunker
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Believing in a higher power is not a bad thing, I do not understand how you can say it is. I guess it is normal for people to attack those who do not follow the same belief system as themselves. I can say this though, I never have has as much fulfillment in my life until I made the decision to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. And in all honesty, everything else in this world has lost any real value to me other than God, my family, and friends. Religion truly opens your eyes, even though others say it closes them.
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Well, If you don't believe in God and this is it....WHAT'S STOPPING YOU????? Go rob a bank, kill a few of your hated enemies. You don't have to worry about your after life. If your smart and get away from it then go to it. That's one thing I figure out about Athiests!
so you're saying you have no morals?
this "god" character is the only thing that prevents you from being a piece of shit?
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LOL oh my good god holy jesus christians are fuckin hilarious ;D
hahahahahahahahah. holyshit it's gold.
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I think christianity must be like some sort of elaborate santa clause. You're too dumb to know (or admit to yourself) that it's all ridiculous.
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Next time your Lord Jeasus christ is in your presence inform him that his Shitty people in the sand are cutting peoples heads off and his Sacrifice on the cross didn't change shit, Tell him to have a better game plan next time
and you think that is true Christianity?
oh brother
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How do fossils test our faith ???
They don't, of course. He's no good for serious discussion but I find the religion pigeon meme hilarious. He's right up there with the foul bachelor frog (present!) for cheap yuks.
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It was you that decided to jump into this thread and imply that anyone who doesn't believe in a god is an inherent murderer and bank robber. Now you want sympathy from me? :D I don't feel the need to break any laws, Fallsview - maybe an occasional speeding ticket. :o I file my taxes, I donate to charities... I don't need your god to be a nicer person either. If you can't handle a little bit of my debating, you're free to ignore me :)
You seem to have a "healthy ego" saying I want sympathy from you, I don't and I never stated that. "My God"? I don't think I even brought up I was religious. My point is anything too much is bad for oneself, and that goes for religion. If a religion is of peace than whats the harm of it? It is the people on TV, acting crazy and asking for money that "derail" the followers and who's fault is that? I'm glad your "tooting your horn" with the paying taxes and charity bit. Good for you. But one does notice you seem "angry" and alittle "bent" about religion. It is only when you learn to let go you will truly learn how to live. A very wise man once roaming these boards once said...Godspeed!
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Believing in a higher power is not a bad thing, I do not understand how you can say it is. I guess it is normal for people to attack those who do not follow the same belief system as themselves. I can say this though, I never have has as much fulfillment in my life until I made the decision to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. And in all honesty, everything else in this world has lost any real value to me other than God, my family, and friends. Religion truly opens your eyes, even though others say it closes them.
You have got to be kidding me.
That's the history of religion right from the beginning.
An atheist may argue with you, but it's the last person you need to worry about. Other people's make believe is going to clash with yours and this is where the violence always is.
Why can't you just admit that your need for identity has overcome your logic?
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Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.
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Correct, Muslims do not ask for things from Allah. Allah blesses Muslims with blessings beyond anyone's dreams. They need not to ask, Allah will provide.
Then why the fuq pray to God 5x a day. Isn't that a bit excessive, since I'm already going to be blessed? And what about those women who pray and then are raped, then stoned for being raped? Is that a blessing?
Let's face it, there is no better religion, the bullshit that "this is the one true religion", is bullshit. As is the only way to heaven is thru Jesus, just another way of saying, "this is the one true religion".
All Islam really is, is a extreme reaction to the breakdown and fall of a certain empire and the lawlessness of the time within trade routes. To protect these people and to establish order, extreme measures needed to be taken...
Laws are good for the Lawless, but must adapt to current times.
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Carbon dating is not based on faith. Nor are the DOZENS of other dating systems used in science. That is just pure ignorance. You don't really believe that millions of scientists have over the decades developed multiple dating systems based on faith do you? :-\
Do you believe that carbon dating or the "dozens of other dating systems" have any flaws?
Also, accepting carbon dating etc. as infallibly true from what you have read/been taught by other people w/o empirically testing it yourself means you have faith in it. Just like I have faith in God. You knew I would post this angle ;D
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It applies to Tillman himself as he is described as not being religious.
The brother seems to believe that Tillman rejected God/religion up until the moment of his death. I don't think we can assume that about anyone.
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You have got to be kidding me.
That's the history of religion right from the beginning.
An atheist may argue with you, but it's the last person you need to worry about. Other people's make believe is going to clash with yours and this is where the violence always is.
Why can't you just admit that your need for identity has overcome your logic?
That's the thing, I don't need relgion for identity. I'm sure I could be a happy person without being religious. A lot of people are. It's not about that though. Any person can be a good person, it's about why you live your life the way you do, the fulfillment it gives you, and in the end, what happens to you.
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what really sucks is when you die....
thats it ,,its done ..
there is nothing else its over
unfortuately
there is no god
no supreme being
no ala
i mean
nothing
the end
just dirt!
and that really sucks bad!!!!
Why would that suck? If that's the way it is you wouldn't know any better..no regrets or pain ...nothing right?
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That's why GOD gave us the ability to create the ADAM BOMB so we can destroy not only ourselves but every living thing GOD ever created into extinction
The fall of man? Clever!
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Zero evidence for a creator of the Universe.
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Zero evidence for a creator of the Universe.
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Look at it this way also: Zero evidence that the Universe was created, maybe it was always here?
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Look at it this way also: Zero evidence that the Universe was created, maybe it was always here?
It appears so actually.
Universe(s) appear to spring forth from quantum fluctuations every now and then, apparently. No such thing as nothing, meaning no beginning.
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It appears so actually.
Universe(s) appear to spring forth from quantum fluctuations every now and then, apparently. No such thing as nothing, meaning no beginning.
that's a theory
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that's a theory
It's an hypothesis, not a theory, which is supported by corroborating EVIDENCE.
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Supported by EVIDENCE.
it's still a theory though. Theres another competing theory with the whole oscillating universe thing. I cant think of it off hand since I'm not really into universe stuff. I just remember it being as equally depressing lol
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I just remember it being as equally depressing lol
Yes, and lol. haha
Spontaneous/uncaused existence has been hypothesized to occur in the form of virtual particles, which is interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particles
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what i don't get about Atheists is that they make a cause that is based on not believing in something.
Isn't that kinda like making a whole cause about not believing that Barney the Dinosaur doesn't exist in real life?
I mean, I know that Barney is just a character but I don't go make a big deal about it or join some sort of cause to support that- it's just something I accept and don't even think of ever.
Why do Atheists make such a big deal about how they don't believe in God then? If he/she/it doesn't exist then why pay it any mind?
I think you're confusing Athiests with Agnostics. Agnostics bash religion, seeking out believers and cutting them down. Athiests, on the other hand, simply don't believe in God much in the manner you've described not believing in Barney.
I used to be an Athiest. Now I'm just plain unsure and wouldn't be shocked if my earlier non-belief was simply a reply to the "pull the dick out in public, shove down kids throat" type religious fervor I had been subjected to.
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I think you're confusing Athiests with Agnostics. Agnostics bash religion, seeking out believers and cutting them down. Athiests, on the other hand, simply don't believe in God much in the manner you've described not believing in Barney.
I used to be an Athiest. Now I'm just plain unsure and wouldn't be shocked if my earlier non-belief was simply a reply to the "pull the dick out in public, shove down kids throat" type religious fervor I had been subjected to.
No.
Agnosticism is the idea that we don't know either way. I'm agnostic with strong leanings towards atheism.
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No.
Agnosticism is the idea that we don't know either way. I'm agnostic with strong leanings towards atheism.
Some people claim it's impossible to be an atheist since it's impossible to prove a negative. Just like the tea pot around jupitar thing. So at the most, so it's said, people can only be agnostic
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Some people claim it's impossible to be an atheist since it's impossible to prove a negative. Just like the tea pot around jupitar thing. So at the most, so it's said, people can only be agnostic
Yep, depending on one's pov.
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Me either. ???
But if I venture a guess, I`d say its something along the lines of making themselves feel better and reaffirming that they are glad to not be in the same predicament as the person or issue they are "praying" for.
Just more self-reassuring/affirming bullshit from small minded people who seek no real solution.
I am NOT a man of religion and faith nor do I pray.
I can understand why this would give some comfort at a time of stress and strife.
My issue is those types that pray to win a game or find their keys. That is retarded.
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No.
Agnosticism is the idea that we don't know either way. I'm agnostic with strong leanings towards atheism.
People missed my point that we are all functional atheists with regards to most gods (Zeus, Odin, Thor, etc.); the Abrahamic god should be treated no differently.
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No.
Agnosticism is the idea that we don't know either way. I'm agnostic with strong leanings towards atheism.
You're right, I had it backwards.
I guess that makes me an Agnostic.
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You're right, I had it backwards.
I guess that makes me an Agnostic.
:)
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People missed my point that we are all functional atheists with regards to most gods (Zeus, Odin, Thor, etc.); the Abrahamic god should be treated no differently.
typical dawkins talking point.
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typical dawkins talking point.
So what if he uses it? So does Sam Harris; so did Baron D'Holbach almost 300 years ago. It's true.
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I am NOT a man of religion and faith nor do I pray.
I can understand why this would give some comfort at a time of stress and strife.
My iusse is those types that pray to win a game or find their keys. That is retarded.
Yep.
Jesus doesn't care about your softball team.
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Yep.
Jesus doesn't care about your softball team.
But he does care about oiled up men in thongs on dozens of drugs (especially Ronnie Coleman).
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But he does care about oiled up men in thongs on dozens of drugs (especially Ronnie Coleman).
That goes without saying
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But he does care about oiled up men in thongs on dozens of drugs (especially Ronnie Coleman).
I don't think Jesus would go for mass montser like Ronnie.
The guy who won the Mr Judah back in 20 A.D. was cut , balanced but not too massive
He would be cheering more for a guy like Frank Zane.
If Jesus was the head judge, sandal wearing would be required on stage.
Ya gotta think that they were pretty lean back then, eating just fish and pita bread. :D
I wonder if GH15 knows what roids jesus was on back in the day?
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I wonder if GH15 knows what roids jesus was on back in the day?
Yes. He can tell merely by looking at artists renditions of HeyZeus.
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Yes. He can tell merely by looking at artists renditions of HeyZeus.
I bet GH15 would say they juiced on boiled down extract of donkey balls.
The side effect was thick facial and body hair. Thus, the beard was a symbol of power and virtillity for most middle eastern men ever since.
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I will pray for you all tonight.
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Religion is just a business. Its like shopping, lots of stores to choose from and lots of churches to choose from. They just want your money. The bible is a storey book nothing more. Who wrote it? oh ya, man.
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I will pray for you all tonight.
I don't stand a prayer of chance to start praying msyelf ??? But you go ahead and start without me.
If GOD shows up , let me know. I always wanted to meet that dude. ;D ;D
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Just beacuse you don't believe in God does not mean he does not believe in you :)
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I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only stranger than we imagine, but stranger than we can imagine. - J. B. S. Haldane
Just beacuse you don't believe in God does not mean he does not believe in you :)
Yeah he believes you'll burn in hell forever for not believing, but thats okay right?
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I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only stranger than we imagine, but stranger than we can imagine. - J. B. S. Haldane
Yeah he believes you'll burn in hell forever for not believing, but thats okay right?
I was joking about. I do not care if others do not believe in him.
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I was joking about. I do not care if others do not believe in him.
careful, jesus is serious business. How do you think wars start?
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Economics?
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Where does the Nation Of Islam fit into all this? What about the Honorable Elijah Muhammad? Remember he was the last messenger of Allah.
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Just beacuse you don't believe in God does not mean he does not believe in you :)
and just because he exists in your mind doesn't mean he exists in reality...
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and just because he exists in your mind doesn't mean he exists in reality...
Agreed.
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I am NOT a man of religion and faith nor do I pray.
I can understand why this would give some comfort at a time of stress and strife.
My issue is those types that pray to win a game or find their keys. That is retarded.
When I pray the majority of time I'm lifting others up in prayer. Other times either before or during prayer I feel compelled to pray for a person or situation so I do. I don't pray that much for myself, but I do pray for myself from time to time (for courage, for healing, for strength, for guidance, foor wisdom). I rarely pray for material things. I pray for family and friends and those people in my small circle of the world. I often pray and give thanks and praise to God for the many blessings in my life. I pray that I develop into a good father. I pray that my faith won't falter and that I'll have the courage to share it with others.
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When I pray the majority of time I'm lifting others up in prayer. Other times either before or during prayer I feel compelled to pray for a person or situation so I do. I don't pray that much for myself, but I do pray for myself from time to time (for courage, for healing, for strength, for guidance, foor wisdom). I rarely pray for material things. I pray for family and friends and those people in my small circle of the world. I often pray and give thanks and praise to God for the many blessings in my life. I pray that I develop into a good father. I pray that my faith won't falter and that I'll have the courage to share it with others.
You should pray that cowboy stadium in texas doesn't collapse and put more coaches and players in wheel chairs
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You should pray that cowboy stadium in texas doesn't collapse and put more coaches and players in wheel chairs
Yes, I'll stick to watchin the boys on tv.
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"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)
Here's the most important prayer that needs to be prayed.
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As has been said, it really doesn't matter what you believe as far as God goes. What's important is how you behave. If there's a God, He'd tell me I'm a-ok.
What interests me about these discussions is everyone putting in their $.02 when they know full well that no one is going to change their mind. So why? What's the motivation? Well, the non-believers get to feel good because they live in the real world with their observable and repeatable data, rely on action instead of prayer to help people, and they are enlightened by reason while you are an ignorant and deluded fairy tale follower who would still be living in a cave banging sticks together if it wasn't for the glory of Science. Believers get to feel good because they know the truth and you don't, they are morally superior with God on their side, and they're eternally generous toward the ungrateful because they will pray for you.
Everyone gets to feel good about themselves. Mine is better than yours. Same old child's game. Play on. End rant.
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Actor Allen Allah? The guy that starred in M*A*S*H
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As has been said, it really doesn't matter what you believe as far as God goes. What's important is how you behave. If there's a God, He'd tell me I'm a-ok.
What interests me about these discussions is everyone putting in their $.02 when they know full well that no one is going to change their mind. So why? What's the motivation? Well, the non-believers get to feel good because they live in the real world with their observable and repeatable data, rely on action instead of prayer to help people, and they are enlightened by reason while you are an ignorant and deluded fairy tale follower who would still be living in a cave banging sticks together if it wasn't for the glory of Science. Believers get to feel good because they know the truth and you don't, they are morally superior with God on their side, and they're eternally generous toward the ungrateful because they will pray for you.
Everyone gets to feel good about themselves. Mine is better than yours. Same old child's game. Play on. End rant.
It's a believer's responsibility to tell others about salvation through Christ otherwise the message is lost. There is no moral superiority. There is none of this one is better than the other business. Believer or nonbeliever, we are ALL broken and it's through the grace of God we're made whole.
How we behave is very important, but first we gotta get our hearts right with God.
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It's a believer's responsibility to tell others about salvation through Christ otherwise the message is lost. There is no moral superiority. There is none of this one is better than the other business. Believer or nonbeliever, we are ALL broken and it's through the grace of God we're made whole.
How we behave is very important, but first we gotta get our hearts right with God.
There are darker aspects to my personality, as with everyone, but I don't interpret them as indicating that there's something wrong with me and I don't feel bad or guilty about it. It's simply part of being human. I choose not to indulge them, of course, but I'm ok with having dark thoughts and feelings from time to time. I can't agree that I'm broken.
You're right that I shouldn't paint everone with the same brush tho, MOS. I still think there's an awful lot of what I spoke about going on, on both sides, but I agree there are some people acting selflessly. Talking is harmless enough, and almost always for the good.
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I lead a pretty good life, straight-edge and everything. People like me. But I never talk about religion, instead I just wear a small cross of nails which usually sparks people's interest. Note that christians are the main cause of atheism due to them always talking instead of doing.
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and just because he exists in your mind doesn't mean he exists in reality...
man do i want to give an Anslem response to this lol.
Anyways, I think i'll stir the pot a little
Some say that proof of God is not needed. That science and religion can't be measured by the same standards. Religion is measured based on faith, not on empirical evidence. So a lack of evidence is not a good argument for saying that God doesn't exist. Aristotle talked about the unmoved mover that's needed to set everything in the universe into motion.
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There are darker aspects to my personality, as with everyone, but I don't interpret them as indicating that there's something wrong with me and I don't feel bad or guilty about it. It's simply part of being human. I choose not to indulge them, of course, but I'm ok with having dark thoughts and feelings from time to time. I can't agree that I'm broken.
You're right that I shouldn't paint everone with the same brush tho, MOS. I still think there's an awful lot of what I spoke about going on, on both sides, but I agree there are some people acting selflessly. Talking is harmless enough, and almost always for the good.
We can substitute broken for sinner if it's more meaningful. I'm a sinner, you're a sinner, everyone on this board are sinners. The only way we can be saved from our sins is to align ourselves with Christ. We all want to be able play judge and jury for ourselves, but that doesn't help our case.
Now, I certainly agree that be it believer or nonbeliever we have self-righteous, arrogant stone-throwers in every church, government and community on earth. Thereinlies that part of being human you mentioned that seperates us from God. Without the love and grace of God we are inherently sinful regardless of how many random acts of kindness we may also engage in. Works alone due not reconcile our sin, but further a believer's faith in Christ that is without works is a dead faith.
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We can substitute broken for sinner if it's more meaningful. I'm a sinner, you're a sinner, everyone on this board are sinners. The only way we can be saved from our sins is to align ourselves with Christ. We all want to be able play judge and jury for ourselves, but that doesn't help our case.
Now, I certainly agree that be it believer or nonbeliever we have self-righteous, arrogant stone-throwers in every church, government and community on earth. Thereinlies that part of being human you mentioned that seperates us from God. Without the love and grace of God we are inherently sinful regardless of how many random acts of kindness we may also engage in. Works alone due not reconcile our sin, but further a believer's faith in Christ that is without works is a dead faith.
I'm not religious but I'm a good man. I'm just as morally viable as plenty of Christians. I hope your beliefs make room for that possibility.
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Religion is for the weak. Face oblivion like a man, not on your knees like a bitch.
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"People judge each other by their actions, only God Judges your heart" :)
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I'm not religious but I'm a good man. I'm just as morally viable as plenty of Christians. I hope your beliefs make room for that possibility.
Tapeworm, you are a man with a plan!
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Tapeworm, you are a man with a plan!
Absolutely. Life is just the stuff that happens in the meantime.
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What interests me about these discussions is everyone putting in their $.02 when they know full well that no one is going to change their mind. So why? What's the motivation?
It's not about changing peoples' minds, as I'm not seeking to convert anyone. I call attention to false claims about the world being implied on the basis of religious authority, faith, and pseudoscience or metaphysics.
As has been said, it really doesn't matter what you believe as far as God goes.
Umm....sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism
In a politico-religious context, dominionism (also called subjectionism[1]) is the tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action. The goal is either a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.
A longstanding usage of dominionism among social scientists and legal scholars describes a Biblical argument in favor of anthropocentrism, a favoring of the rights and interests of humans in relation to environmentalism and/or animal rights
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I'm not religious but I'm a good man. I'm just as morally viable as plenty of Christians. I hope your beliefs make room for that possibility.
A relationship with Christ is a completely personal choice, but I (and other believers) will never be able to act as judge or jury of your heart when all is said and done. We all fall short of God's grace and power and will all be individuallly judged by what's truly in our hearts. Again, the only way we can be saved from our sins is to align ourselves with Christ. I understand this concept may be weird or completely foreign, but I suggest taking the honest questions of your heart straight to the source in prayer.
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man do i want to give an Anslem response to this lol.
Anyways, I think i'll stir the pot a little
Some say that proof of God is not needed. That science and religion can't be measured by the same standards. Religion is measured based on faith, not on empirical evidence. So a lack of evidence is not a good argument for saying that God doesn't exist. Aristotle talked about the unmoved mover that's needed to set everything in the universe into motion.
A believer knows God exists because of our individual and personal relationships with him and the works he's done in us, but as believers we have faith in that which he has already done/said and has promised will be. Further we know Christ is alive and well because of empirical evidence. There is nothing more personal in our walk with Christ then our own observations and experiences. That in turn is what we share with others. We want to encourage others to come to know Christ in a personal way and help them understand that Christ wants a relationship with each of us and that his love is deep enough to cover all of us completely if we seek him.
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theres very little proof jesus existed.
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theres very little proof jesus existed.
I would suggest honestly praying to the source and asking for him to perform a work in your heart and life.
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theres very little proof jesus existed.
Agreed. I studied the issue for a number of years and concluded that there was likely never even a human Christ, let alone a deity by that name.
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Agreed. I studied the issue for a number of years and concluded that there was likely never even a human Christ, let alone a deity by that name.
Funny, I've done the same and reached the opposite conclusion.
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Funny, I've done the same and reached the opposite conclusion.
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maybe you shouldnt use ted haggards books as source then?
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maybe you shouldnt use ted haggards books as source then?
Bingo.
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maybe you shouldnt use ted haggards books as source then?
Who are you replying to?
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Where does the Nation Of Islam fit into all this? What about the Honorable Elijah Muhammad? Remember he was the last messenger of Allah.
There always seems to be confusion over what the Nation of Islam teaches. They don't say that Elijah Muhammad was the last messenger of Allah. They believe that God came to Elijah Muhammad in the person of Master Fard Muhammad as a means to deliver Islam to a people who had been taken from their homeland and destroyed.
If you listen to the teachings of Minister Farrakhan he actually teaches Jesus better than most Christian preachers I have seen.
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Funny, I've done the same and reached the opposite conclusion.
No doubt. You believe not based on evidence but because of faith, the desire to do so, irrespective of the truth. If you were some other religious follower you would no doubt be affirming the existence of whatever other magical god man they invented.
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No doubt. You believe not based on evidence but because of faith, the desire to do so, irrespective of the truth. If you were some other religious follower you would no doubt be affirming the existence of whatever other magical god man they invented.
A believer knows God exists because of our individual and personal relationships with him and the works he's done in us, but as believers we have faith in that which he has already done/said and has promised will be. Further we know Christ is alive and well because of empirical evidence. There is nothing more personal in our walk with Christ then our own observations and experiences. That in turn is what we share with others. We want to encourage others to come to know Christ in a personal way and help them understand that Christ wants a relationship with each of us and that his love is deep enough to cover all of us completely if we seek him.
On a personal note, I often find that the staunchest opposition to Christ are typically the same people that desperately want someone like Christ in their lives the most. They want to know the love of Christ, but because of past experiences and influences they simply can't relent their worldly positions. I understand this, I do. Others fear that a relationship with Christ will lead to a boring, diminished lifestyle....that they'll have to give up those sinful pleasures they relish so. Others take solace in attempts to intellectualize away their sins via the regurgitation of the philosophy like that of Hume, Locke, etc.... What they refuse to give creedance to is that Christ washes clean the sins of your heart and gives you new eyes and perspective. A heart aligned with Christ no longer sees the world as it once did. Sure believers and nonbelievers alike make mistakes....we're all sinners and always will be. Fortunately as believers we confess our sins and are forgiven via the grace of God. Repentance isn't a license to sin by any means, but it is nice to know that when we falter and succumb to our old sinful ways that we can turn it all over to Christ because of his sacrifice on the cross.
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Without using the quote function to pinpoint 1-2 sentences that man of steel has made in the past page or so. I want to disagree with him on one point.
Christians do not believe in christ on empirical evidence. By faith, not by works, are ye saved. Paul talked about it comes down to faith. Evidence of things not seen. Christians believe in jesus christ that he came and died for the sins of the world and whosoever believes in him (whosoever has faith in jesus christ) can be saved. People may experience God in their lives at difficult moments or at happy times and may feel God working their lives, but this is not what lead them to believe to begin with. That was faith. Nobody looks towards science studies before believing on christ to determine whether or not they should make that decision. They know in their heart that christ exists and lives in them, not by reality, although reality (incidences in life) can boost faith, it still comes down to faith. Trusting in God as one's savior does not involve research studies or lab experiments
Yes things happen in christians lives where they can point to God and say "for we know that all things work together for good for them that love God", but faith in God that he sent his son to die on the cross was what lead them to be saved.
EDIT: some people say that the old catholic priests (or philosophers, whatever you want to call them) like aquinas or anslem all fell into the trap of the scientists by being enticed to provide a rational scientific argument for the existence of God and to put a human understanding on a heavenly subject which proves to be very hard to do, opening loopholes which skeptics can easily point out and say that this is why religion should not be believed
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Without using the quote function to pinpoint 1-2 sentences that man of steel has made in the past page or so. I want to disagree with him on one point.
Christians do not believe in christ on empirical evidence. By faith, not by works, are ye saved. Paul talked about it comes down to faith. Evidence of things not seen. Christians believe in jesus christ that he came and died for the sins of the world and whosoever believes in him (whosoever has faith in jesus christ) can be saved. People may experience God in their lives at difficult moments or at happy times and may feel God working their lives, but this is not what lead them to believe to begin with. That was faith. Nobody looks towards science studies before believing on christ to determine whether or not they should make that decision. They know in their heart that christ exists and lives in them, not by reality, although reality (incidences in life) can boost faith, it still comes down to faith. Trusting in God as one's savior does not involve research studies or lab experiments
Yes things happen in christians lives where they can point to God and say "for we know that all things work together for good for them that love God", but faith in God that he sent his son to die on the cross was what lead them to be saved.
The vast majority of believers come to know Christ because of the influence of an existing Christian witness. It's the testimony of this person in which they share their empirical evidence for Christ (their observations and experiences) that encourages a nonbeliever to pursue a personal relationship with Christ. Although, as I did state previously as believers we have faith in that which he has already done/said and has promised will be (those things we can't see), but once we are saved (through faith) we know that we are saved always. It is often in the face of adversity that our faith in Christ is tested the most be it physical, emotional, intellectual or spiritual trials. Yes, it is by faith we are saved, but that faith is often initiated based on the testimony of an existing believer or body of believers. A nonbeliever must first have faith that the word of God and the words of his believers are true; although, I didn't state that in my single previous post that aspect of salvation is implied. It's perfectly fine if it's spelled out more clearly here.
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A believer knows God exists because of our individual and personal relationships with him and the works he's done in us,
these works you attribute to an invisible guy in the sky, we see it as things that happened just by chance. sometimes ur lucky, other times ur not.
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Agreed. I studied the issue for a number of years and concluded that there was likely never even a human Christ, let alone a deity by that name.
Jesus Christ is NOT the son of God, he's just another guru and his real name was something like Joshua. Religious people need heroes to look up to, and worshipping a hero is like worshipping a statue. It's utter bullshit. "Kill" your idols and look into yourself. Every other religion is just another belief system. there is no heaven, there is no hell. God is not some kind of being, God is everywhere and everything. Your body dies, your spirit lives. Forever!
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Funny, I've done the same and reached the opposite conclusion.
Consider your sources , they need Jesus to be real
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There always seems to be confusion over what the Nation of Islam teaches. They don't say that Elijah Muhammad was the last messenger of Allah. They believe that God came to Elijah Muhammad in the person of Master Fard Muhammad as a means to deliver Islam to a people who had been taken from their homeland and destroyed.
If you listen to the teachings of Minister Farrakhan he actually teaches Jesus better than most Christian preachers I have seen.
You are wrong!!!!
http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/MessengerHistory.html
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these works you attribute to an invisible guy in the sky, we see it as things that happened just by chance. sometimes ur lucky, other times ur not.
I understand this perspective....I really, truly do. My best adivce, if you choose to (and you're absolutely free to choose your own path), is to take your concerns to the source. Pray to God about salvation and coming to have a relationship with him. If you pursue that road with an open heart that is genuine in spirit you'll find your answer.
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)
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Consider your sources , they need Jesus to be real
Everyone needs Jesus to be real; unfortunately most never come to the realization that he is. There again comes a believer's responsibility to tell others about Christ as best they are able. For those that spend a lifetime attempting to refute that God exists others spend a lifetime filling their lives with his abundant love and study of his word.
Respectfully, I dare you to pursue a genuine relationship with him and then tell me he's not real.
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Lets break it down. Muhammad was crazy, his family thought so. He left and found some "thugs" that listened to him. They went out to rape and steal and Muhammad told them this was wrong. These thugs kinda told good ol' Mu to "take a hike" and Mu was left by himself. BUT wait, if you are doing this for "GOD" then this is not wrong! BINGO, Mu has a following again. This is why there are no photos/images allowed of Mu! It would be to easy to identify a robber/rappist then, esp. if there were Post Offices back then.
Islam three choices of non-believers:
Convert
Pay the tax (Jizya)
Die
Hey, Just a few months ago a Husband and Wife in Orchard Park NY, who ran an Islam TV station had a problem. His wife was going to divorce him so what did he do? Cut her head off at the TV station. Oh Well!
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Jesus Christ is NOT the son of God, he's just another guru and his real name was something like Joshua. Religious people need heroes to look up to, and worshipping a hero is like worshipping a statue. It's utter bullshit. "Kill" your idols and look into yourself. Every other religion is just another belief system. there is no heaven, there is no hell. God is not some kind of being, God is everywhere and everything. Your body dies, your spirit lives. Forever!
"Jesus" is Yeshua in Aramaic (forgive my spelling here). Yeshua is like Joshua and I assume that's what you mean. Yeshua is Jesus of Nazareth.
Idols are human creations designed for worship....golden calves, etc.... So absolutely, shed your lives of idolotry.
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Everyone needs Jesus to be real; unfortunately most never come to the realization that he is. There again comes a believer's responsibility to tell others about Christ as best they are able. For those that spend a lifetime attempting to refute that God exists others spend a lifetime filling their lives with his abundant love and study of his word.
Respectfully, I dare you to pursue a genuine relationship with him and then tell me he's not real.
Not quite , Christians NEED Jesus to be real , it validates their beliefs , I don't need Jesus to be real in fact if you look honestly and objectively it's very hard to prove he existed and what he do know even from Christian sources is ALL second hand none of the new testament is written by Jesus himself
It's very hard for Christians to be objective on the subject for them literally everything hinges on his existence , they have to much invested to be really honest and objective that's why everything is based on belief and faith.
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Not quite , Christians NEED Jesus to be real , it validates their beliefs , I don't need Jesus to be real in fact if you look honestly and objectively it's very hard to prove he existed and what he do know even from Christian sources is ALL second hand none of the new testament is written by Jesus himself
It's very hard for Christians to be objective on the subject for them literally everything hinges on his existence , they have to much invested to be really honest and objective that's why everything is based on belief and faith.
Again, respectfully, I have no worries about whether or not he's real. And I'm completely lucid to boot.
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A believer knows God exists because of our individual and personal relationships with him and the works he's done in us, but as believers we have faith in that which he has already done/said and has promised will be. Further we know Christ is alive and well because of empirical evidence. There is nothing more personal in our walk with Christ then our own observations and experiences. That in turn is what we share with others. We want to encourage others to come to know Christ in a personal way and help them understand that Christ wants a relationship with each of us and that his love is deep enough to cover all of us completely if we seek him.
On a personal note, I often find that the staunchest opposition to Christ are typically the same people that desperately want someone like Christ in their lives the most. They want to know the love of Christ, but because of past experiences and influences they simply can't relent their worldly positions. I understand this, I do. Others fear that a relationship with Christ will lead to a boring, diminished lifestyle....that they'll have to give up those sinful pleasures they relish so. Others take solace in attempts to intellectualize away their sins via the regurgitation of the philosophy like that of Hume, Locke, etc.... What they refuse to give creedance to is that Christ washes clean the sins of your heart and gives you new eyes and perspective. A heart aligned with Christ no longer sees the world as it once did. Sure believers and nonbelievers alike make mistakes....we're all sinners and always will be. Fortunately as believers we confess our sins and are forgiven via the grace of God. Repentance isn't a license to sin by any means, but it is nice to know that when we falter and succumb to our old sinful ways that we can turn it all over to Christ because of his sacrifice on the cross.
Not taking solace in anything. No evidence, no need to believe.
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Again, respectfully, I have no worries about whether or not he's real. And I'm completely lucid to boot.
I have no doubts you believe he's real but alas it doesn't make it so. I'm just saying it's hard historically to prove he was and everything in the new testament is taken second hand NONE of it was written by Jesus himself and it was written a long time after he died , it's really asking a lot for people to believe
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Without using the quote function to pinpoint 1-2 sentences that man of steel has made in the past page or so. I want to disagree with him on one point.
Christians do not believe in christ on empirical evidence. By faith, not by works, are ye saved. Paul talked about it comes down to faith. Evidence of things not seen. Christians believe in jesus christ that he came and died for the sins of the world and whosoever believes in him (whosoever has faith in jesus christ) can be saved. People may experience God in their lives at difficult moments or at happy times and may feel God working their lives, but this is not what lead them to believe to begin with. That was faith. Nobody looks towards science studies before believing on christ to determine whether or not they should make that decision. They know in their heart that christ exists and lives in them, not by reality, although reality (incidences in life) can boost faith, it still comes down to faith. Trusting in God as one's savior does not involve research studies or lab experiments
Yes things happen in christians lives where they can point to God and say "for we know that all things work together for good for them that love God", but faith in God that he sent his son to die on the cross was what lead them to be saved.
EDIT: some people say that the old catholic priests (or philosophers, whatever you want to call them) like aquinas or anslem all fell into the trap of the scientists by being enticed to provide a rational scientific argument for the existence of God and to put a human understanding on a heavenly subject which proves to be very hard to do, opening loopholes which skeptics can easily point out and say that this is why religion should not be believed
In every sphere of human life, we use rationality to live and make decisions. From the smallest ones to the largest. Faith is clearly a compartmentalisation of the brain of otherwise rational people.
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I have no doubts you believe he's real but alas it doesn't make it so. I'm just saying it's hard historically to prove he was and everything in the new testament is taken second hand NONE of it was written by Jesus himself and it was written a long time after he died , it's really asking a lot for people to believe
QFMFT!
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Not taking solace in anything. No evidence, no need to believe.
And you've been given the free will to choose that path. I encourage you to read some of Lee Strobel's books concerning the evidence for Christ. It's not super-heady reading or anything.
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I have no doubts you believe he's real but alas it doesn't make it so. I'm just saying it's hard historically to prove he was and everything in the new testament is taken second hand NONE of it was written by Jesus himself and it was written a long time after he died , it's really asking a lot for people to believe
I encourage you to read Lee Strobel's "Case For Christ"....it addresses everything here and then some. It's all about the historocity of the bible, the span of time it was written after Christ died and rose, the writers of the New Testament, etc....
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And you've been given the free will to choose that path. I encourage you to read some of Lee Strobel's books concerning the evidence for Christ. It's not super-heady reading or anything.
Strobel is an idiot and a conman; only a 3rd grader would read his 'evidence' and consider it convincing...or a Christian. :-\
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And you've been given the free will to choose that path. I encourage you to read some of Lee Strobel's books concerning the evidence for Christ. It's not super-heady reading or anything.
He's an apologist looking to make data fit predetermined answers.
Cite some legitimate sources please.
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I encourage you to read Lee Strobel's "Case For Christ"....it addresses everything here and then some. It's all about the historocity of the bible, the span of time it was written after Christ died and rose, the writers of the New Testament, etc....
If you want to read real scholarship, read the following:
The Case Against The Case For Christ: A New Testament Scholar Refutes the Reverend Lee Strobel American Atheist Press. ISBN 1-57884-005-8 (15 Feb 2010)
The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man: How Reliable is the Gospel Tradition? Prometheus Books. ISBN 1-59102-121-9. (20 Dec 2003)
The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?. Ottawa: Age of Reason Publications. 2005 [1999]. ISBN 0-9689259-1-X.
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I encourage you to read Lee Strobel's "Case For Christ"....it addresses everything here and then some. It's all about the historocity of the bible, the span of time it was written after Christ died and rose, the writers of the New Testament, etc....
Like I said consider your sources :-\
he can't be objective on the topic
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And you've been given the free will to choose that path. I encourage you to read some of Lee Strobel's books concerning the evidence for Christ. It's not super-heady reading or anything.
We're given ' free will ' but by exercising it we are punished to burn for all eternity , that's not free will.
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Strobel is an idiot and a conman; only a 3rd grader would read his 'evidence' and consider it convincing...or a Christian. :-\
"Hume and Locke are absolute frauds. Their logic is reaching at best and completely unsupported gibberish. Even Hawking's work although brilliant in concept is really nothing more than metaphysical, self-serving nonsense. Those that take their words at face value are most likely high school graduates at best."
I can do this too, but fortunately it doesn't change anything I've mentioned about salvation in Christ. I'm not here to insult you so please know this.
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Like I said consider your sources :-\
he can't be objective on the topic
Well, the book title is "Case For Christ" so the books cited by other members could be considered the "Case Against Christ".
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"Hume and Locke are absolute frauds. Their logic is reaching at best and completely unsupported gibberish. Even Hawking's work although brilliant in concept is really nothing more than metaphysical, self-serving nonsense. Those that take their words at face value are most likely high school graduates at best."
I can do this too, but fortunately it doesn't change anything I've mentioned about salvation in Christ. I'm not here to insult you so please know this.
Hopefully you are joking comparing giants such as Locke and Hume to that idiot Stroebel...oh well, nothing to be done here I guess.
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Well, the book title is "Case For Christ" so the books cited by other members could be considered the "Case Against Christ".
As I said he can't be objective , I'm just talking from a historical standpoint it's very hard to prove Jesus was actually alive never mind the son of God ( although he never quite said that , his claim was he was " the son of man " . )
And at the least we can all agree that the new testament wasn't even written by Jesus and all of the information was second hand written years after his death
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If you want to read real scholarship, read the following:
The Case Against The Case For Christ: A New Testament Scholar Refutes the Reverend Lee Strobel American Atheist Press. ISBN 1-57884-005-8 (15 Feb 2010)
The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man: How Reliable is the Gospel Tradition? Prometheus Books. ISBN 1-59102-121-9. (20 Dec 2003)
The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?. Ottawa: Age of Reason Publications. 2005 [1999]. ISBN 0-9689259-1-X.
For each book you list I could quickly Google an opposing view....that can go on almost endlessly LOL!! You call my source a crock and I call your source a hack.....not my intention. I find no value in that kind of posting so I don't engage.
My purpose was to express how to come to have a personal relationship with Christ. I'm not a scholar, a theologian, a literary expert, a scientist, etc, etc....ad nauseum. I'm a regular man that beliefs in Christ, but that doesn't hate or dislike my nonbelieving counterparts.....I just pray they can come to understand the love of Christ that I've experienced.
That's it brother!
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"Hume and Locke are absolute frauds. Their logic is reaching at best and completely unsupported gibberish. Even Hawking's work although brilliant in concept is really nothing more than metaphysical, self-serving nonsense. Those that take their words at face value are most likely high school graduates at best."
I can do this too, but fortunately it doesn't change anything I've mentioned about salvation in Christ. I'm not here to insult you so please know this.
I'M a high school graduate, at best.
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Hopefully you are joking comparing giants such as Locke and Hume to that idiot Stroebel...oh well, nothing to be done here I guess.
It was just an quick, top of the head, generalized statement with no merit or support. It's the type of reply I read day in and out. I was just giving an example of how quickly that type of reply can be generated.
"I read this book by John Brown called "Jesus Sucks". Changed my life....here's a link."
"John Brown is a sham and a idiot....his work is unsupported nonsense."
This is the type of reply trading I can't stand, but the whole community of readers can instantly read and be influenced by.
Again, my purpose is to just share what I belief.
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It was just an quick, top of the head, generalized statement with no merit or support. It's the type of reply I read day in and out. I was just giving an example of how quickly that type of reply can be generated.
"I read this book by John Brown called "Jesus Sucks". Changed my life....here's a link."
"John Brown is a sham and a idiot....his work is unsupported nonsense."
This is the type of reply trading I can't stand, but the whole community of readers can instantly read and be influenced by.
None of that is needed.
Citing reference material from both legitimate historical and archaeological institutes with peer reviewed, verified and corroborated evidence would give reason to accept Jesus, the man, existed.
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None of that is needed.
Citing reference material from both legitimate historical and archaeological institutes with peer reviewed, verified and corroborated evidence would give reason to accept Jesus, the man, existed.
Best I can tell you is that Lee Strobel's books are collections of interviews with experts in a different fields of study. He doesn't often interject his opinions. He just presents the interviews with the experts. Everything is documented and all references cited.
Again, I encourage you to speak to the source. Pray with an open heart to God and ask him about salvation.
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Best I can tell you is that Lee Strobel's books are collections of interviews with experts in a different fields of study. He doesn't often interject his opinions. He just presents the interviews with the experts. Everything is documented and all references cited.
Not a legitimate source of info, sorry. Hes an apologist with an agenda which is probably one of the worst sources of legitimate information you could find.
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Not a legitimate source of info, sorry.
As I posted above:
For each book you list I could quickly Google an opposing view....that can go on almost endlessly LOL!! You call my source a crock and I call your source a hack.....not my intention. I find no value in that kind of posting so I don't engage.
My purpose was to express how to come to have a personal relationship with Christ. I'm not a scholar, a theologian, a literary expert, a scientist, etc, etc....ad nauseum. I'm a regular man that beliefs in Christ, but that doesn't hate or dislike my nonbelieving counterparts.....I just pray they can come to understand the love of Christ that I've experienced.
Again, I suggest speaking to the source directly. Pray to God with an open heart and come to him with concerns of salvation. MOS can't give you salvation, just express what I belief and maybe point you in the the direction of a church, book I've read, online article I've read, program I've watched on tv, etc....
That's it brother!
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As I said he can't be objective , I'm just talking from a historical standpoint it's very hard to prove Jesus was actually alive never mind the son of God ( although he never quite said that , his claim was he was " the son of man " . )
And at the least we can all agree that the new testament wasn't even written by Jesus and all of the information was second hand written years after his death
You should google some biblical references on the "son of man". I know exactly where you're going with this arguement, but can't articulate in fashion you'd appreciate.
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For each book you list I could quickly Google an opposing view.
The historicity of Jesus either is, or isn't, accepted by the modern scientific community. Until then is unsubstantiated conjecture.
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Not a legitimate source of info, sorry. Hes an apologist with an agenda which is probably one of the worst sources of legitimate information you could find.
Not a problem....you're free to feel that way.
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The historicity of Jesus either is, or isn't, accepted by the modern scientific community. Until then is unsubstantiated conjecture.
Not a problem....you're free to feel that way.
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Let's provide a different twist to this
for those that don't believe in God: What would it take in order for you to believe in God? The historical proof that a man named jesus existed? The end of times (or would u think u were crazy if u saw horses come out of the sky)?
for those that believe in God: What would it take in order for you not to believe in God? Historical proof that jesus didn't exist? Or would you just think the records were wrong,
If there are no arguments that will change your point of view. Then why argue and debate?
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Not a problem....you're free to feel that way.
I'd strongly suggest seeking out non-biased views for any further research into this subject for historical or scientific accuracy.
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COULD "NATURE" BE GOD?
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Then why argue and debate?
Already answered this.
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the human brain responds to prayer in a unique way, a way only activated by prayer. whther or not you realize the necessary existence of God, its an undeniable fact reveleaed through science that the human brain contains a segment devoted to communication with God. take it for what its worth
Activated by prayer, properly placed magnetic field, various drugs, or any number of other stimuli....
You can't really say the brain responds in a "unique way" to any single stimulus. If you do, you're generalizing the stimulus.
If you say that prayer response is "unique" then you can say the same for sleep, excitement, REM sleep, etc.
I'd be interested in seeing this "undeniable fact." There isn't a single undeniable fact about the brain.
There are biophysicists and mathematicians working on mathematical modeling of brain activity.....if you know anything about mathematics, the algorithms are anything but unique....
The very fact that nerve signals must convert an electrical signal into a chemical signal and back to an electrical signal at every single synapse is fundamentally non-unique.
Neural signaling is non-linear....the chemical output at the synapse is not directly proportional to the electrical input from the axon.
The best you can do with that is to make better and better linear approximations.....which isn't unique.
Considering that there are about 100,000,000,000,000 synapses in a human brain, any given "stimulus" is a system of millions, billions, or trillions of non-linear processes....all of which are non-unique.
I'm sure you saw some show on the Discovery channel that said something about the "prayer" response, but it's really much more complicated than that.
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but i have to admit, when i see mos his arms i can only think, there must be a god!
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I'd strongly suggest seeking out non-biased views for any further research into this subject for historical or scientific accuracy.
I have friend....I have. It's the overwhelming presence of the Holy Spirit in my heart and life and the works the Lord has done in my life that make it so hard to deny him.
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I have friend....I have. It's the overwhelming presence of the Holy Spirit in my heart and life and the works the Lord has done in my life that make it so hard to deny him.
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but i have to admit, when i see mos his arms i can only think, there must be a god!
LOL!! I like your style!
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Wait, I just realised: Man of Steel is the Genetic Giant! :o
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I'll just leave this here.
It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth
From the smallest necessity to the highest religious abstraction, from the wheel to the skyscraper, everything we are and everything we have comes from one attribute of man - the function of his reasoning mind.
Ayn Rand
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I just realised that Man of Steel would not be a Christian if he had bad bbing genetics. He believes because he was lucky to have good genetics.
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Let's provide a different twist to this
for those that don't believe in God: What would it take in order for you to believe in God? The historical proof that a man named jesus existed? The end of times (or would u think u were crazy if u saw horses come out of the sky)?
for those that believe in God: What would it take in order for you not to believe in God? Historical proof that jesus didn't exist? Or would you just think the records were wrong,
If there are no arguments that will change your point of view. Then why argue and debate?
I was actually asked this question when I was younger, but I don't remember how I answered. Still, it's an intriguing quetion actually.
What would it take for me to belief that God didn’t exist?
It would require the presence of the Holy Spirit suddenly being removed from my heart and life. It would require that all the past works the Lord has done in my life to somehow be negated. I would take the completely private, absolutely personal, transcendant spiritual experiences (that not even my wife has seen me experience) with the Holy Spirit to be somehow negated or removed from my life. It would require the personal relationship I experience with Christ on a daily basis being somehow turned off and the past experiences being explained away and negated.
I don’t know how else to put it…..I ain’t that smart LOL!!!
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A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.
Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances.
In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.
The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it's only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse. If you go to Bosnia or Somalia or Peru or much of the third-world then it appears that the apocalypse has already arrived.
We are so much the victims of abstraction that with the Earth in flames we can barely rouse ourselves to wander across the room and look at the thermostat
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I'll just leave this here.
It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth
From the smallest necessity to the highest religious abstraction, from the wheel to the skyscraper, everything we are and everything we have comes from one attribute of man - the function of his reasoning mind.
Ayn Rand
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,
29so that no one may boast before him.
30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
31Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”
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I just realised that Man of Steel would not be a Christian if he had bad bbing genetics. He believes because he was lucky to have good genetics.
God made me a fat kid with a knack for curling stuff LOL!!!
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I want to thank y'all for the conversation today. I always learn a lot in these conversations and it broadens my knowledge base. I like getting glimpses into the conflicting schools of thought and I appreciate when the exchanges are healthy. A little aggression is cool, but it's mostly been contained and that's all good.
I think now we can get back to the real business....oily, muscle hunks in glitter thongs.
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I want to thank y'all for the conversation today. I always learn a lot in these conversations and it broadens my knowledge base. I like getting glimpses into the conflicting schools of thought and I appreciate when the exchanges are healthy. A little aggression is cool, but it's mostly been contained and that's all good.
Ditto.
I think now we can get back to the real business....oily, muscle hunks in glitter thongs.
Yep, dudes in thongs is serious business. ;D
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A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.
Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances.
In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.
The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it's only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still
have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse. If you go to Bosnia or Somalia or Peru or much of the third-world then it appears that the apocalypse has already arrived.
We are so much the victims of abstraction that with the Earth in flames we can barely rouse ourselves to
wander across the room and look at the thermostat
This.
You keep on this path, you are knocking them out of the park...
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Man of Steel,
Let's just face it. You are a Christian due to your cultural and environmental influences, with probably a genetic component
as well (not a gene towards Christianity, but just to have religious zeal in general). There is no divine influence or calling.
If you had been raised in Israel, you would have probably been a devout Jew. If you had been raised elsewhere in the Middle East, a Muslim, in Tibet, a Buddhist, etc. There are exceptions, but that is the norm.
There is this principle called Occam's Razor which you are probably familiar with, i.e. the simpler explanation to an observation is usually the correct one. I think it applies here.
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i'm coming in at this thread now and can't figure out how this thread got so big
i mean, I'm willing to bet that it is filled with Atheists talking about how "God" doesn't exist
don't you Atheists feel silly making this page as big as it has become discussing something that "doesn't exist"?
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These guys ate five protein shakes a day and prayed to Jesus.
That's why they have the big muscles.
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Man of Steel,
Let's just face it. You are a Christian due to your cultural and environmental influences, with probably a genetic component
as well (not a gene towards Christianity, but just to have religious zeal in general). There is no divine influence or calling.
If you had been raised in Israel, you would have probably been a devout Jew. If you had been raised elsewhere in the Middle East, a Muslim, in Tibet, a Buddhist, etc. There are exceptions, but that is the norm.
There is this principle called Occam's Razor which you are probably familiar with, i.e. the simpler explanation to an observation is usually the correct one. I think it applies here.
Yes, that is definitely correct. As I mentioned previously:
I was very blessed to be raised by a mother and father that guided me and my siblings with love and that shared with us the love of God. I never once saw my folks disrespect and speak ill of any nonbelievers in our community.
God has blessed me and my family. We were raised in the United States, in the great state of Texas under the guidance of loving, Christian parents (and grandparents); fortunately I wasn't raised in a jungle, desolate country or third world nation. I was blessed with all the comforts and freedoms of this country in conjunction with the love of a Christian home and elders. As a child my parents had several missionary friends and today my sister and brother in law have both gone on missionary trips to spread the word of Christ to those areas you mentioned.
It's easy to have zeal when I have the "joy, joy, joy , joy down in my heart to stay!!"
God has truly blessed me and my family and I give him praise for it!!
Occam's Razor, yep, learned about that in the movie Contact :D and then was later exposed to this theory again during some research on topics of metaphysics.
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What is good? Everything that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself.
What is bad? Everything that is born of weakness.
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.
Not contentedness but more power; not peace but war, not virtue, but fitness.
The weak and failures shall perish: first principle of our love of man. And they shall even be given every possible assistance.
What is more harmful than any vice? Active pity for all the failuires and all the weak: christianity. nietzsche!
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What is good? Everything that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself.
What is bad? Everything that is born of weakness.
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.
Not contentedness but more power; not peace but war, not virtue, but fitness.
The weak and failures shall perish: first principle of our love of man. And they shall even be given every possible assistance.
What is more harmful than any vice? Active pity for all the failuires and all the weak: christianity. nietzsche!
Nietzsche again.....cool.
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Nietzsche again.....cool.
And we know how he ended up....or did God punish him? HA!
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Let's provide a different twist to this
for those that don't believe in God: What would it take in order for you to believe in God? The historical proof that a man named jesus existed? The end of times (or would u think u were crazy if u saw horses come out of the sky)?
for those that believe in God: What would it take in order for you not to believe in God? Historical proof that jesus didn't exist? Or would you just think the records were wrong,
If there are no arguments that will change your point of view. Then why argue and debate?
I don't think once you truly believe like I do your mind can be changed. We join God after our death. If he does not exist then I just rot in the ground. No big deal. i won't know about it.
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Nietzsche again.....cool.
Just spreadin the word of rationality. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Why can't everyone figure out we arrived on the scene broke already! People throw that word Karma around but have no clue what it entales. Hate to brake the news to you all but you're all coming back!
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Nothing in life has meaning of itself. Only if you give it meaning, it has. For you. Same goes for worshipping Jesus. to you it may be meaningful, to me it's nothing, meaningless.
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Just spreadin the word of rationality. Nothing more, nothing less.
I see what you did here!! You took my post and exchanged my words for your rationality phrase thereby adding a touch of mocking......clever!!
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Nothing in life has meaning of itself. Only if you give it meaning, it has. For you. Same goes for worshipping Jesus. to you it may be meaningful, to me it's nothing, meaningless.
That's the great thing about Christ, whether or not you assign meaning to him he always has love for you and wants you to have a personal relationship with him.
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Nietzsche got beat up by little girls.
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That's the great thing about Christ, whether or not you assign meaning to him he always has love for you and wants you to have a personal relationship with him.
says who?
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says who?
Christ
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Christ
By the look of you, you could crush your wife in one hand.... :o
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By the look of you, you could crush your wife in one hand.... :o
At the present I'm rehabing my torn up leg so she could take me. In the pics I've posted she wouldn't stand a chance. ;)
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Nietzsche got beat up by little girls.
As long as he's not raping them he's okay in my book.
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Beautiful wife man of steel, i see why you're praising god now ;D
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Christ
uh huh...did you hear him say this?
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As long as he's not raping them he's okay in my book.
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Beautiful wife man of steel, i see why you're praising god now ;D
I appreciate that....kind of you to say. I am very fortunate she likes fat, ugly guys that resemble Shrek.
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uh huh...did you hear him say this?
Yes, he came to me in the form of Pee-Wee Herman and was holding the head of monkey that only spoke Chinese. Granted I had just sniffed a ton of glue and was tripping on acid at the time........spare me your leading posts.
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Yes, he came to me in the form of Pee-Wee Herman and was holding the head of monkey that only spoke Chinese. Granted I had just sniffed a ton of glue and was tripping on acid at the time........spare me your leading posts.
so no...gotcha..
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I'll just leave this here.
It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth
From the smallest necessity to the highest religious abstraction, from the wheel to the skyscraper, everything we are and everything we have comes from one attribute of man - the function of his reasoning mind.
Ayn Rand
And some people wonder why I've stated that atheism is simply man worshipping himself.
Plus, heaven promises no more suffering or death. This is something man simply cannot provide on this planet.
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If you want to read real scholarship, read the following:
The Case Against The Case For Christ: A New Testament Scholar Refutes the Reverend Lee Strobel American Atheist Press. ISBN 1-57884-005-8 (15 Feb 2010)
The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man: How Reliable is the Gospel Tradition? Prometheus Books. ISBN 1-59102-121-9. (20 Dec 2003)
The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?. Ottawa: Age of Reason Publications. 2005 [1999]. ISBN 0-9689259-1-X.
Welcome back!!!
Is it my imagination, or do you only appear during (American) football season? ;D
Plus, it appears I missed the memo, that authorized you to determine what is "real" scholarship and what ain't. What about books by the late Dr. D. James Kennedy, who had 9 advanced degrees and was deemed one of the Most Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th Century? Do his works count?
He also hosted the show, "Who Is This Jesus? Is He Risen?" which usually airs (and I usually bump here) during the week of Resurrection Sunday (bka Easter).
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I have no doubts you believe he's real but alas it doesn't make it so. I'm just saying it's hard historically to prove he was and everything in the new testament is taken second hand NONE of it was written by Jesus himself and it was written a long time after he died , it's really asking a lot for people to believe
Hard historically? I beg to differ.
Actually, the life of Jesus is recorded in whole or in part, different segments, in about 20 different non-Christian sources--historically or archaeologically--outside the New Testament. And most of these are little snippets--a sentence here, a paragraph there--but you put them all together, and you get approximately 60 to 65 facts, concerning the life, death, resurrection of Jesus Christ and the teaching of the earliest church. You can get an outline of His life and NEVER touch the New Testament." - Dr. Gary Habermas, "The Historical Jesus" (and "Who Is This Jesus? Is He Risen?")
Plus, most of what we know about many ancient historical figures comes from "second hand" sources. Take Alexander the Great. The bulk of data on him comes from the ancient historian, Arrian, whose account was about two centuries after Alex died.
There are a number of late 1st/early 2nd-century accounts regarding Jesus Christ, which are closer to his lifetime than are other sources closer to the figures whom they depict. If you throw out "second hand" sources, you throw out about 90% of ancient history altogether.
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And some people wonder why I've stated that atheism is simply man worshipping himself.
Plus, heaven promises no more suffering or death. This is something man simply cannot provide on this planet.
Which in no way whatsoever makes that promise true.
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Which in no way whatsoever makes that promise true.
Rand's comments claim that man should strive for heaven on earth. One of heaven's "advertisements" (for lack of a better term) is the END OF SICKNESS AND DEATH. Since man CANNOT deliver on that promise, his attempt to replicate heaven on earth is a miserable failure.
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Rand's comments claim that man should strive for heaven on earth. One of heaven's "advertisements" (for lack of a better term) is the END OF SICKNESS AND DEATH. Since man CANNOT deliver on that promise, his attempt to replicate heaven on earth is a miserable failure.
Who? Ayn Rand? (a she by the way). I don't personally subscribe to her philosophy. Heaven is a juvenlie fantasy and hence should not be attempted to be replicated. You can't replicate something that does not exist. One should accept this life (our only life) for what it is; it has good and bad, and make the best of it.
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Who? Ayn Rand? (a she by the way). I don't personally subscribe to her philosophy. Heaven is a juvenlie fantasy and hence should not be attempted to be replicated. You can't replicate something that does not exist. One should accept this life (our only life) for what it is; it has good and bad, and make the best of it.
That contradicts your earlier claims about ending one's life (or having it ended via abortion) if you're born into less-than-ideal circumstances.
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(a she by the way)
Lol. I think the jury's still out on that one.
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That contradicts your earlier claims about ending one's life (or having it ended via abortion) if you're born into less-than-ideal circumstances.
I totally don't follow you on this one. Care to explain? ???
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Lol. I think the jury's still out on that one.
That's true. ;D
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I totally don't follow you on this one. Care to explain? ???
You said here that people should accept the life they have on earth and make the best of it. But, on another thread (yours, I believe), you were claiming that, if someone were going to be born in a less-than-ideal situation (i.e. high-crime or to a crackhead) abortion wouldn't be so bad.
Actually, your thread seems to be a potshot at people who are pro-life/anti-abortion.
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You said here that people should accept the life they have on earth and make the best of it. But, on another thread (yours, I believe), you were claiming that, if someone were going to be born in a less-than-ideal situation (i.e. high-crime or to a crackhead) abortion wouldn't be so bad.
Actually, your thread seems to be a potshot at people who are pro-life/anti-abortion.
No, IF you are already alive...then you should make the best of this life but oblivion is preferable to some lives, no doubt.
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Actually, your thread seems to be a potshot at people who are pro-life/anti-abortion.
I don't want to go pointing fingers but if it weren't for babies we wouldn't have any of this trouble. I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose but they do manage to cause an awful lot of trouble for something so 'innocent.'
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I don't want to go pointing fingers but if it weren't for babies we wouldn't have any of this trouble. I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose but they do manage to cause an awful lot of trouble for something so 'innocent.'
LOL. That is dry, Perth-style wit for you. ;D
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I don't want to go pointing fingers but if it weren't for babies we wouldn't have any of this trouble. I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose but they do manage to cause an awful lot of trouble for something so 'innocent.'
You are a nut ;D
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Perth-style?
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You are a nut ;D
Crazy like a fox, sister!
And ya, Perth style. You never heard of The Mullet?!
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"Perth" sounds Greek to me.
All I can find out about it is that it's in Australia.