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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Firemuscle on November 01, 2010, 06:54:48 PM
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About 6 months ago I just got totally sick and tired of following the high protien, high calories bodybuilding diet and I said "Fuck it, i'm not gonna do this any more."
So I just started eating a standard 3 balanced meals a day with some snacks. No supps, no protein powders. None of that bullshit.
I kept on lifting hard and kept everything else the same.
What changed? I didn't lose any strength or muscle mass. But I DID lean out a lot. It seemed like the extra protien and calories I was consuming were just going into fat for me, not muscle.
So now, i'm eating healthier, eating less, spending less money on food, i'm leaner and I look a lot better......
I think that for a natural lifter. You should just lift hard and eat healthy, and your genetics will take you to your peak regardless of what you eat. And if you overeat, it'll just go toward fat.
All this force feeding and bulking is good if you are on steroids. But for a natural it'll just get you chubby.
Lift hard, be healthy, your genetics will take you where you wanna go.
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Why can't you just NOT overeat but still do a bodybuilding diet?
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About 6 months ago I just got totally sick and tired of following the high protien, high calories bodybuilding diet and I said "Fuck it, i'm not gonna do this any more."
So I just started eating a standard 3 balanced meals a day with some snacks. No supps, no protein powders. None of that bullshit.
I kept on lifting hard and kept everything else the same.
What changed? I didn't lose any strength or muscle mass. But I DID lean out a lot. It seemed like the extra protien and calories I was consuming were just going into fat for me, not muscle.
So now, i'm eating healthier, eating less, spending less money on food, i'm leaner and I look a lot better......
I think that for a natural lifter. You should just lift hard and eat healthy, and your genetics will take you to your peak regardless of what you eat. And if you overeat, it'll just go toward fat.
All this force feeding and bulking is good if you are on steroids. But for a natural it'll just get you chubby.
Lift hard, be healthy, your genetics will take you where you wanna go.
This. Genetics=Everything.
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Why can't you just NOT overeat but still do a bodybuilding diet?
Well that's basically what i'm doing now. Eating normal foods and normal portions, but trying to get slightly higher protien intake in.
I'm talking more about bulking diets and consuming massive amounts of protien. For a natural lifter this is usually NOT a good thing to do.
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how much protein do u eat each day? like per meal?
whats a typical lunch for u?
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Well that's basically what i'm doing now. Eating normal foods and normal portions, but trying to get slightly higher protien intake in.
I'm talking more about bulking diets and consuming massive amounts of protien. For a natural lifter this is usually NOT a good thing to do.
Well... I'm Notorious for going overboard with off-season bulking...
In 2004 I competed in April at 176..... By December 2004 I was 250 lbs. A few months later I was 265....
In 2006 I dieted for four months and went from 260 to a competition weight of 180 lbs.
In 2007 I didn't go over 215, and competed at 160 after four months of dieting!
Today I'm 235 (at about 22% bf), and I know I should be around 215-220ish.... I wanna compete at 180 next year
My point is that...
Its important not to go overboard on either side of the spectrum, one of my favorite quotes that I ever heard from Skip LaCour, he said "In the off-season I don't eat to get fat, and I don't eat to get lean, I eat to gain muscle"
It seems that 12-15% is an ideal bf for gaining muscle.... once you get to 10% and below, its really tough to add muscle, then again I've seen and heard of people that can pull it off, but its not easy, your training, diet, supplement intake really needs to be on point!
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how much protein do u eat each day? like per meal?
whats a typical lunch for u?
For lunch today I ate white rice, a pile of guppie fish, some grass with olive oil on it, hot cabbage and pears. They serve that shit at this little restaurant next to my work.
For dinner tonight I plan on going and eating fried pork, rice, and vegetables with my friends.
I don't count grams of protein. But I used to always drink milk between meals, munch on dried squid and beef jerky for snacks, slam a few raw eggs, eat a chunk of peanut butter, etc. And all that extra protien and calories just went to fat for me.
Now I just eat 3 meals and 1 snack. And it's doing me right.
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Well... I'm Notorious for going overboard with off-season bulking...
In 2004 I competed in April at 176..... By December 2004 I was 250 lbs. A few months later I was 265....
In 2006 I dieted for four months and went from 260 to a competition weight of 180 lbs.
In 2007 I didn't go over 215, and competed at 160 after four months of dieting!
Today I'm 235 (at about 22% bf), and I know I should be around 215-220ish.... I wanna compete at 180 next year
My point is that...
Its important not to go overboard on either side of the spectrum, one of my favorite quotes that I ever heard from Skip LaCour, he said "In the off-season I don't eat to get fat, and I don't eat to get lean, I eat to gain muscle"
It seems that 12-15% is an ideal bf for gaining muscle.... once you get to 10% and below, its really tough to add muscle, then again I've seen and heard of people that can pull it off, but its not easy, your training, diet, supplement intake really needs to be on point!
I agree.
Bulking diets are good for easing the pain of dieting constantly and make it easier to put on muscle.
If you want to stay lean all year round it's dumb to bulk, but when you know how to diet and how to use the rebound effect after a few months dieting, there's nothing wrong with high protein clean bulks with additional cheat days.
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Well... I'm Notorious for going overboard with off-season bulking...
In 2004 I competed in April at 176..... By December 2004 I was 250 lbs. A few months later I was 265....
In 2006 I dieted for four months and went from 260 to a competition weight of 180 lbs.
In 2007 I didn't go over 215, and competed at 160 after four months of dieting!
Today I'm 235 (at about 22% bf), and I know I should be around 215-220ish.... I wanna compete at 180 next year
My point is that...
Its important not to go overboard on either side of the spectrum, one of my favorite quotes that I ever heard from Skip LaCour, he said "In the off-season I don't eat to get fat, and I don't eat to get lean, I eat to gain muscle"
It seems that 12-15% is an ideal bf for gaining muscle.... once you get to 10% and below, its really tough to add muscle, then again I've seen and heard of people that can pull it off, but its not easy, your training, diet, supplement intake really needs to be on point!
That's all good man. Those are some great points you make and good info.
But you are obviously on steroids. I'm just a natty lifter trying to max my genetics out for now. So it's a different ball game.
And PLEASE, don't respond trying to claim you're natural.
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That's all good man. Those are some great points you make and good info.
But you are obviously on steroids. I'm just a natty lifter trying to max my genetics out for now. So it's a different ball game.
And PLEASE, don't respond trying to claim you're natural.
lol, that's the easiest way to bitch out.
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For lunch today I ate white rice, a pile of guppie fish, some grass with olive oil on it, hot cabbage and pears. They serve that shit at this little restaurant next to my work.
For dinner tonight I plan on going and eating fried pork, rice, and vegetables with my friends.
I don't count grams of protein. But I used to always drink milk between meals, munch on dried squid and beef jerky for snacks, slam a few raw eggs, eat a chunk of peanut butter, etc. And all that extra protien and calories just went to fat for me.
Now I just eat 3 meals and 1 snack. And it's doing me right.
thx
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That's all good man. Those are some great points you make and good info.
But you are obviously on steroids. I'm just a natty lifter trying to max my genetics out for now. So it's a different ball game.
And PLEASE, don't respond trying to claim you're natural.
LOL oh god here we go again ::) Believe whatever you want bro, but you'll always be wrong!
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you ate guppies? damn whats that like?
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lol, that's the easiest way to bitch out.
Bitch out of what?
I just know a steroid user when I see one. And when you're on steroids the training and diet strategy changes a lot.
You are a fucking girl. Every one of your posts smells like tuna.....
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Bitch out of what?
I just know a steroid user when I see one. And when you're on steroids the training and diet strategy changes a lot.
You are a fucking #girl. Every one of your posts smells like tuna.....
Thanks for the compliment :D
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you ate guppies? damn whats that like?
They just smother it in spice so you mostly taste the spice. They taste hard and crispy, fishy. They are good. Lots of protien, and calcium because you eat the whole skeleton too.
A couple days ago I ate dog meat soup. That shit is good.
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Bitch out of what?
I just know a steroid user when I see one. And when you're on steroids the training and diet strategy changes a lot.
You are a fucking #girl. Every one of your posts smells like tuna.....
Wow, that was brutal... ::) ::) ::)
I just love it when people tell of others that are more experienced with some BS excuse because they can't go that far themselves.
You should listen to BigAch, no matter what you think about his steroid use or not use, because he knows a lot more about dieting than you ever will.
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Wow, that was brutal... ::) ::) ::)
I just love it when people tell of others that are more experienced with some BS excuse because they can't go that far themselves.
You should listen to BigAch, no matter what you think about his steroid use or not use, because he knows a lot more about dieting than you ever will.
Thanks man, much appreciated ;)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bowflexcomparison.jpg)
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Thanks man, much appreciated ;)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bowflexcomparison.jpg)
No prob.
Damn you look like shit when you're fat. ;D ;D
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Wow, that was brutal... ::) ::) ::)
I just love it when people tell of others that are more experienced with some BS excuse because they can't go that far themselves.
You should listen to BigAch, no matter what you think about his steroid use or not use, because he knows a lot more about dieting than you ever will.
I've been lifting and into bodybuilding for over 15 years, i've been to tons and gyms, met tons of people, and been around the block plenty of times.
I know natural, and I know unnatural.
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I don't eat or train like a bb cause I'm not a bb.....pretty simple stuff.
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I don't eat or train like a bb cause I'm not a bb.....pretty simple stuff.
So what kind of regamin do you follow then?
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Thanks man, much appreciated ;)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bowflexcomparison.jpg)
Natural my ass.
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I've been lifting and into bodybuilding for over 15 years, i've been to tons and gyms, met tons of people, and been around the block plenty of times.
I know natural, and I know unnatural.
I don't doubt that you've been training for a long time and met tons of people at numerous gyms!
You just said you don't eat like eat like a bodybuilder because you're not one, but you are making a judgement on someone who's been eating like a bodybuilder for nearly 10 years, its been my life man! Eating, training, competing!
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So what kind of regamin do you follow then?
Whatever life allows me to. I try and eat clean the majority of the time, but I don't worry about 8 meals a day, unnecessary drugs and supplements, food measuring, charting, tupperware containers and food every 3 hours. I'm a normal person working a normal job, raising a normal family, etc.....I train as much as I'm able and eat as best I'm able to. I'm not in my early twenties in my bb obsession years anymore....that's a time for kids and daydreaming.
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not sure if my opinion matters here anymore since you are under the impression that I am natural.
But I DO NOT clean all the time, not even close, but I do have a plan that I do my best to follow, if I diverge I diverge... its the off-season! I have bodybuilding A.D.D. in that I'm constantly changing my mind about if I wanna cut or bulk in the off-season, but I think that on and off kinda works out well for me LOLL
For competition prep, thats a different issue, I stay on the diet and don't diverge period... sure I've caved and cheated at times... but it'll be like ONCE in 16 weeks!
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I don't doubt that you've been training for a long time and met tons of people at numerous gyms!
You just said you don't eat like eat like a bodybuilder because you're not one, but you are making a judgement on someone who's been eating like a bodybuilder for nearly 10 years, its been my life man! Eating, training, competing!
I started lifting in 1994. I've been through ups and downs over the years but i've learned a LOT about bodybuilding in the past 15 or 16 years and i've hit some pretty good peaks.
I ain't a newbie.
I didn't say that I don't eat like a bodybuilder. That other guy said that. I said that I stopped eating like a bodybuilding 6 months ago.
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I started lifting in 1994. I've been through ups and downs over the years but i've learned a LOT about bodybuilding in the past 15 or 16 years and i've hit some pretty good peaks.
I ain't a newbie.
I didn't say that I don't eat like a bodybuilder. That other guy said that. I said that I stopped eating like a bodybuilding 6 months ago.
I never called you a newbie!
Look if you want to believe that about me, thats fine, its false, but you know what, its a compliment and I take it that I must be doing something right!!! And I've said this before and I will say it again... I'm willing to put up money to back up my claim and take ANY drug test on any given day and I will pass it!
If you truly believe I'm on something, you honestly have a warped view on bodybuilding and its hard for me to believe that you've actually been around the block per say.... Believe what you want, i'm not gonna convince you otherwise, but you should probably have some higher expectations of what is possible naturally!
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(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/MiguelValenzuela/Vtechsuccessfulbulk.jpg)
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redstar, you're so shipshekki if I ever knew one....
anyway, I don't use protein supplements because they have 10000 other chemicals that definetely is not good for you... I allways felt like my system was "stuffy" after consuming alot of supplements... just protein snacks and fruits for me.
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so he IS SHipShekki :D
Welcome back 8), too bad you lost your alpha post account ;D... so how did the "homeless wondering around the country" work for you?
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Thanks man, much appreciated ;)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bowflexcomparison.jpg)
Fatso... ;D
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Fatso... ;D
Whats funny is that wasn't even my biggest...
THIS IS ME AT 260 ;D
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/260front.jpg)
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(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/MiguelValenzuela/Vtechsuccessfulbulk.jpg)
That kids name was Dreamer or some shit..Haha that is so funny...He gained 40 LBS of pure fat..That was an experiment in bulking gone wrong ;D
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Thats such an insult to ShipSekki
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/FunkyMonk6969/Picture003.jpg)
That picture is badass.
Later on i'm gonna go pull off a hot load to that one.
And since you've got it saved to your computer, i'm guessing you cracked one off to it too.
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so he IS SHipShekki :D
Welcome back 8), too bad you lost your alpha post account ;D... so how did the "homeless wondering around the country" work for you?
Actually while I was away I was just working my 9-5 job. I did travel to Thailand and Burma though.
I just felt like taking a break from getbig for a while.
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Actually while I was away I was just working my 9-5 job. I did travel to Thailand and Burma though.
I just felt like taking a break from getbig for a while.
Man going to Thailand who walks through metal detector sideways is going to bangkok ;D
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But I DO NOT clean all the time
Ach, you seem to be an intelligent guy. Can you please tell me your definition of "clean food", how you think it affects body composition, and what your basis for this belief is.
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Ach, you seem to be an intelligent guy. Can you please tell me your definition of "clean food", how you think it affects body composition, and what your basis for this belief is.
Why should he even bother, all he writes will be "irrelevant ad hominem"... ::) ::) ::)
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Why should he even bother, all he writes will be "irrelevant ad hominem"... ::) ::) ::)
not necessarily
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not necessarily
Oh i forgot: "Irrelevant ad hominem" if they are not matching your opinion. ::) ::)
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Ach, you seem to be an intelligent guy. Can you please tell me your definition of "clean food", how you think it affects body composition, and what your basis for this belief is.
Clean food = healthy bodybuilding foods, lean meats, whole grains, vegetables etc. No junk food.
Think about it a pizza has like 1,000 calories, its pretty easy to get to 1,000 calories eating that..... But you'd have to fucking eat a whole lot of lean grilled chicken breasts to get to 1,000 calories lol - so its obviously better cause of calorie control....
Aside from controlling calories, junk food - you know McD's, BK, all that shit has a ton of proccessed shit and fillers, which are in no way beneficial to bodybuilding and muscle gain, eventually they will hinder it if you keep decreasing insulin sensitivity.....
I love me some pizza and BK though ;D
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Clean food = healthy bodybuilding foods, lean meats, whole grains, vegetables etc. No junk food.
Think about it a pizza has like 1,000 calories, its pretty easy to get to 1,000 calories eating that..... But you'd have to fucking eat a whole lot of lean grilled chicken breasts to get to 1,000 calories lol - so its obviously better cause of calorie control....
Aside from controlling calories, junk food - you know McD's, BK, all that shit has a ton of proccessed shit and fillers, which are in no way beneficial to bodybuilding and muscle gain, eventually they will hinder it if you keep decreasing insulin sensitivity.....
I love me some pizza and BK though ;D
Wavelength admits that his diet is not optimal for optimal dump taking.
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Big ach, during that offseason what did you ate daily for a typical day?
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Big ach, during that offseason what did you ate daily for a typical day?
If I'm actually not cheating:
Meal 1 (Already eaten):
4 whole eggs
1 pack of oatmeal (maple and brown sugar flavor)
3 scoops whey protein
Meal 2 (Already eaten):
2 foot long subs from Subway (Whole wheat bread, grilled chicken, nothing on except a little bit of ketchup)
Meal 3:
2 scoops whey protein
1 scoop Phenom Labs Hearculean Xtreme
Meal 4 (Post work out):
2 scoops whey protein
1 teaspoon creatine
1 bottle of Gatorade Perform (24 oz bottle - Its got dextrose ;-))
Meal 5:
1 chicken breast
1 packet of rice (I like that Uncle Ben's Ready Rice)
15 Almonds
Meal 6:
2 scoops night time protein
I also take 8 tabs of fish oil, glucosamine, and multi-vitamins!
Total comes out to around; Cals: 3700, protein: 370, Carbs: 370, fat: 80
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If I'm actually not cheating:
Meal 1 (Already eaten):
4 whole eggs
1 pack of oatmeal (maple and brown sugar flavor)
3 scoops whey protein
Meal 2 (Already eaten):
2 foot long subs from Subway (Whole wheat bread, grilled chicken, nothing on except a little bit of ketchup)
Meal 3:
2 scoops whey protein
1 scoop Phenom Labs Hearculean Xtreme
Meal 4 (Post work out):
2 scoops whey protein
1 teaspoon creatine
1 bottle of Gatorade Perform (24 oz bottle - Its got dextrose ;-))
Meal 5:
1 chicken breast
1 packet of rice (I like that Uncle Ben's Ready Rice)
15 Almonds
Meal 6:
2 scoops night time protein
I also take 8 tabs of fish oil, glucosamine, and multi-vitamins!
Total comes out to around; Cals: 3700, protein: 370, Carbs: 370, fat: 80
I bet you take quality dumps.
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I bet you take quality dumps.
Fuck yeah!!! LOL ;D
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Man going to Thailand who walks through metal detector sideways is going to bangkok ;D
welcome back, I thought you were walking through the country homeless, atleast I remember you had that thing you wanted to try out going on last time we saw...
you got banned though from your original account ???
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secondly johnnynoname is salvatore... by the help of the
muscle schmoes admins he changed his name to salvatore without losing postaccount/anything else.
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If I'm actually not cheating:
Meal 1 (Already eaten):
4 whole eggs
1 pack of oatmeal (maple and brown sugar flavor)
3 scoops whey protein
Meal 2 (Already eaten):
2 foot long subs from Subway (Whole wheat bread, grilled chicken, nothing on except a little bit of ketchup)
Meal 3:
2 scoops whey protein
1 scoop Phenom Labs Hearculean Xtreme
Meal 4 (Post work out):
2 scoops whey protein
1 teaspoon creatine
1 bottle of Gatorade Perform (24 oz bottle - Its got dextrose ;-))
Meal 5:
1 chicken breast
1 packet of rice (I like that Uncle Ben's Ready Rice)
15 Almonds
Meal 6:
2 scoops night time protein
I also take 8 tabs of fish oil, glucosamine, and multi-vitamins!
Total comes out to around; Cals: 3700, protein: 370, Carbs: 370, fat: 80
if you cheat?
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1.) Clean food = healthy bodybuilding foods,
2.) lean meats,
3.) whole grains,
4.) vegetables etc.
5.) No junk food.
6.) Think about it a pizza has like 1,000 calories, its pretty easy to get to 1,000 calories eating that..... But you'd have to fucking eat a whole lot of lean grilled chicken breasts to get to 1,000 calories lol - so its obviously better cause of calorie control....
7.) Aside from controlling calories, junk food - you know McD's, BK, all that shit has a ton of proccessed shit and fillers, which are in no way beneficial to bodybuilding and muscle gain, eventually they will hinder it if you keep decreasing insulin sensitivity.....
I love me some pizza and BK though ;D
1.) Yes but that's just a different name for "clean".
2.) "Lean" meat because fat is not part of a "clean" diet?
3.) I'm guessing for fiber?
4.) I'm guessing for vitamins and other micros?
5.) But then we need a definition of "junk".
6.) That sounds like a matter of convenience, IMO differs individually.
7.) For health it may not be optimal to only eat McD and BK but what kind of shit and fillers is in there which would hinder muscle gains? I really don't know. Do you have any reference regarding the insulin sensitivity?
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I am interested in wavelengths question in point 7. also.
WLDP=not optimal for efficient dumpage.
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About 6 months ago I just got totally sick and tired of following the high protien, high calories bodybuilding diet and I said "Fuck it, i'm not gonna do this any more."
So I just started eating a standard 3 balanced meals a day with some snacks. No supps, no protein powders. None of that bullshit.
I kept on lifting hard and kept everything else the same.
What changed? I didn't lose any strength or muscle mass. But I DID lean out a lot. It seemed like the extra protien and calories I was consuming were just going into fat for me, not muscle.
So now, i'm eating healthier, eating less, spending less money on food, i'm leaner and I look a lot better......
I think that for a natural lifter. You should just lift hard and eat healthy, and your genetics will take you to your peak regardless of what you eat. And if you overeat, it'll just go toward fat.
All this force feeding and bulking is good if you are on steroids. But for a natural it'll just get you chubby.
Lift hard, be healthy, your genetics will take you where you wanna go.
Protein doesnt get stored ???
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No I just inserted the link from your photobucket page smart ass.
I did however save this. Do you want me to jerk off to it tough guy?
Removed for kindness ;)
HAHA, I found'em too :P
and some other pics... I'll save'em just in case and... I will entertain my self with'em when the need comes ;D
but we were cool before, so shipshekki has NO PROBLEM that I love to kill animals for fun, throw plastics in the wild, consume products and make love to blonds and brunettes and puke on asian women, right?
:D
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1.) Yes but that's just a different name for "clean".
2.) "Lean" meat because fat is not part of a "clean" diet?
3.) I'm guessing for fiber?
4.) I'm guessing for vitamins and other micros?
5.) But then we need a definition of "junk".
6.) That sounds like a matter of convenience, IMO differs individually.
7.) For health it may not be optimal to only eat McD and BK but what kind of shit and fillers is in there which would hinder muscle gains? I really don't know. Do you have any reference regarding the insulin sensitivity?
Write a sample diet aleady! Be it 1500 cals and at least 160-200g protein per day!
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1.) Yes but that's just a different name for "clean".
2.) "Lean" meat because fat is not part of a "clean" diet?
3.) I'm guessing for fiber?
4.) I'm guessing for vitamins and other micros?
5.) But then we need a definition of "junk".
6.) That sounds like a matter of convenience, IMO differs individually.
7.) For health it may not be optimal to only eat McD and BK but what kind of shit and fillers is in there which would hinder muscle gains? I really don't know. Do you have any reference regarding the insulin sensitivity?
For me eating "clean" means eating foods that have a low caloric density. So you can get the most protein and carbs out of a controlled calories diet.
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if you cheat?
If I cheat all hell breaks loose... no organized structure... for example this past sunday... I had my normal meal 1 (eggs and oats) minus the protein shake, then for lunch I had BK - had a double whopper, large fries, and a chicken tenders. For dinner I had thai food, and munched on halloween candy all day long.. didn't have any supplements. or protein shakes!
Some days I'll eat all my planned meals and stick to the diet, except maybe for the last meal i'll go out to dinner, like on friday, I ate everything on my diet except my last real whole meal, I just had a HUGE pizza!
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If I cheat all hell breaks loose... no organized structure... for example this past sunday... I had my normal meal 1 (eggs and oats) minus the protein shake, then for lunch I had BK - had a double whopper, large fries, and a chicken tenders. For dinner I had thai food, and munched on halloween candy all day long.. didn't have any supplements. or protein shakes!
Some days I'll eat all my planned meals and stick to the diet, except maybe for the last meal i'll go out to dinner, like on friday, I ate everything on my diet except my last real whole meal, I just had a HUGE pizza!
cool, and i thought i was the only one to have an eating disorder like that. ;D
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cool, and i thought i was the only one to have an eating disorder like that. ;D
Nah I'm pretty bad - I cheat A LOT in my off-season!
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No such thing as wavelength diet principles, dude believes in getting enough protein to gain strength and lowering calories enough to get ripped... not rocket science as he would say himself. It seems like many people just dismiss what he has to say because they heard "a calorie is a calorie" somewhere.
I agree with him for the most part; just his way is not best for optimal dump taking.
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I agree with him for the most part; just his way is not best for optimal dump taking.
I'm sure a diet can be found with enough protein and adequate calories which is close to optimal for dump taking ;D
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I'm sure a diet can be found with enough protein and adequate calories which is close to optimal for dump taking ;D
Whole grains and greens= the path of enlightenment.
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What is wavelength's diet principle?
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What is wavelength's diet principle?
schnitzel and beer
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What is wavelength's diet principle?
a slice of pizza for breakfast.
a piece of cake for the next meal
then a piece of cake (whatever is left)
and a 100grm protein shake.
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What is wavelength's diet principle?
Abbreviated as WLDP, the Wavelength Diet Principles consist of the axiom of thermodynamics stating that....ah well, you get it.
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I find it completely demotivating to bulk to much- even thoug I get a little stronger, getting close to 20% bf just completely takes away the joy of bodybuilding.
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fuck the bodybuilding diet
i used to eat like 6 times a day every 3 hours or so, taking in protein shakes a few times a day, going to bed same time all the time etc etc
then i got fed up and said fuck this shit i have a life to live
what happend?
didnt lose any mass or strength, ate whatever i wanted and didnt get fat i actually leaned out,
and for whoever wants to live a normal life and be a "bodybuilder" i suggest looking into GH and testosterone :D
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fuck the bodybuilding diet
i used to eat like 6 times a day every 3 hours or so, taking in protein shakes a few times a day, going to bed same time all the time etc etc
then i got fed up and said fuck this shit i have a life to live
what happend?
didnt lose any mass or strength, ate whatever i wanted and didnt get fat i actually leaned out,
and for whoever wants to live a normal life and be a "bodybuilder" i suggest looking into GH and testosterone :D
this.
I haven't touched supplements in ages... I've noticed when I eat carbs the whole day my training goes super awesome, cakes especially. When I eat lots of protein to get the "anabolic state" ( ::) ) I just get stressful and think "ok now I should have my body in optimal and mathematicly correct state to build mass and train ::)
when I eat lots of carbs cakes etc, I feel good, look good... I'm ripped, 7%/8% constantly, if I cut carbs out i would get dised in no time..
carbs = muscle builder, you only need like fucking 40g of protein a day if even that, lol
Like you said, all the magasine training/food is for the juice heads
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this.
I haven't touched supplements in ages... I've noticed when I eat carbs the whole day my training goes super awesome, cakes especially. When I eat lots of protein to get the "anabolic state" ( ::) ) I just get stressful and think "ok now I should have my body in optimal and mathematicly correct state to build mass and train ::)
when I eat lots of carbs cakes etc, I feel good, look good... I'm ripped, 7%/8% constantly, if I cut carbs out i would get dised in no time..
carbs = muscle builder, you only need like fucking 40g of protein a day if even that, lol
Like you said, all the magasine training/food is for the juice heads
lol lets see that "ripped" physique of yours then ::)
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Thanks man, much appreciated ;)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bowflexcomparison.jpg)
weird chest shape
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About 6 months ago I just got totally sick and tired of following the high protien, high calories bodybuilding diet and I said "Fuck it, i'm not gonna do this any more."
So I just started eating a standard 3 balanced meals a day with some snacks. No supps, no protein powders. None of that bullshit.
I kept on lifting hard and kept everything else the same.
What changed? I didn't lose any strength or muscle mass. But I DID lean out a lot. It seemed like the extra protien and calories I was consuming were just going into fat for me, not muscle.
So now, i'm eating healthier, eating less, spending less money on food, i'm leaner and I look a lot better......
I think that for a natural lifter. You should just lift hard and eat healthy, and your genetics will take you to your peak regardless of what you eat. And if you overeat, it'll just go toward fat.
All this force feeding and bulking is good if you are on steroids. But for a natural it'll just get you chubby.
Lift hard, be healthy, your genetics will take you where you wanna go.
exactly my experience as well. i used to prepare meals for the whole week, fish rice broccolli, crazy usage of supplements. what a bullshit, glad i dont do that anymore.
and like you say, your genetics decide for you, it doesnt matter. my focus is more on training "right" nowadays and i still make progress. i only try to eat a little more protein than the average person.
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lol lets see that "ripped" physique of yours then ::)
I took this pic one week ago
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I took this pic one week ago
looking good man 8), well done. i thought you were one of these internet bulshitters.
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I took this pic one week ago
Monster 1974 Arnold hair. ;D
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thanks dudes!
xerxes deoesn't approve my hair... but I think that's a secret persian hate he has... not one persian likes my hair ;D
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Thanks man, much appreciated ;)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/bowflexcomparison.jpg)
How tall are you? Because I am 5'10, 180-185lbs and don't look as big as your 180lbs pic, yet I am currently more defined than that, (yes, I have seen your contest pics, you look absolutely nuts and goes past my all-time best)). Because if you are 5'10 or higher I would have gueseds you are well over 180, if not in the 190-200 range, based off my proportions.
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What is wavelength's diet principle?
One meal only a day, worst quality you can find in town, chinese buffet, McD, BK or Kebap and one 100g whey shake. ::) ::) ::)
And before he calls me a "misquoter" and liar again, i have this:
Falls du Englisch kannst, ich habe einen Thread auf BB.com, wo ich meine komplette Ernährung von 2009 dokumentiert habe, teilweise mit Bildern:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113288021 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113288021)
Du kannst dort auch ab Seite 46, Post 1378 die komplette Woche der Vorbereitung für die Fotos finden:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113288021&page=46 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113288021&page=46)
Meine Methode sieht so aus: Ich esse einmal am Tag (normalerweise zu Mittag) eine grosse Mahlzeit in einem Restaurant (z.B. Chinesisches Buffet, Grieche, Österreicher, Inder, etc.). Ich achte lediglich darauf immer etwas Gemüse, Salat, und Früchte zu mir zu nehmen, ansonsten esse ich was immer ich will.
Während des Tages schlürfe ich einen Shake mit 100g Eiweiss. In der Früh und am Abend nehme ich einen Schluck EFAs (Leinsamen/Sesam/Fisch-Öl). Wenn ich Lust habe, trink ich am Abend ein paar Gläser Wein oder ein paar Bier. Am Sonntag esse ich soviel und was immer ich will (solange der Fortschritt dort ist, wo er sein sollte). Kalorien zähle ich nicht, das mach ich mit Erfahrung. Wenn die Waage sagt, dass ich mich zurückhalten muss, ess ich einfach die kommende Woche etwas weniger.
Zu deiner Frage bez. was ich am Abend esse: meistens schlürfe ich nur meinen Shake fertig, machmal aber auch etwas Alkohol, wie oben beschrieben. Manchmal esse ich auch die grosse Mahlzeit am Abend. Die Binsenweisheit, dass man am Abend nichts (und schon gar keine KHs) zu sich nehmen soll, ist kompletter Schwachsinn, keine Ahnung warum sich so alte, überholte Mythen solange halten.
Jetzt nach der Diät mach ich erst mal ein paar Tage Fressen was geht, um mich psychologisch von der Runterhungerei zu erholen :D
Danach werde ich wahrscheinlich versuchen, langsam Masse aufzubauen, während ich unter 10% Körperfett bleibe. Die Diätmethode bleibt dieselbe, ich werde aber eine zusätzliche Mahlzeit am Abend essen. Da auch wieder was auch immer ich will.
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How tall are you? Because I am 5'10, 180-185lbs and don't look as big as your 180lbs pic, yet I am currently more defined than that, (yes, I have seen your contest pics, you look absolutely nuts and goes past my all-time best)). Because if you are 5'10 or higher I would have gueseds you are well over 180, if not in the 190-200 range, based off my proportions.
I'm about 6 feet (maybe 5'11)... I've competed between 169 - 180....
I think I was 180 in that pic... maybe 185ish... only reason I remember is because that was the off-season that I actually tried staying in shape.
Its all an illusion man... the whole point is to look bigger than you really are!
I took this pic one week ago
You look fucking awesome!!! Props man!!
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I took this pic one week ago
Good pussy pulling physique...
I would guess that the same diet doesn't work for everyone.. someone using steroids can utilize way more protein than a natural..
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One meal only a day, worst quality you can find in town, chinese buffet, McD, BK or Kebap and one 100g whey shake. ::) ::) ::)
And before he calls me a "misquoter" and liar again, i have this:
It says nothing about "worst quality" in my post. And you left out a few things.
My particular diet is irrelevant anyway, what's relevant is that the essential rules are met.
I just want to find out which rules are essential and which are not. IMO, most rules of classic bodybuilding diets are not.
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Wtf lol. You should be happy you have hair still, and not waste it on that emo hairstyle haha ;D :D :P ;)
it's a european jersey white trash white boy thing, you wouldn't understand :( ;D
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Good physique devil,how old are you,`bout 18-19?
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Good physique devil,how old are you,`bout 18-19?
I had to check that wasn't Basile posting. ;D
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It says nothing about "worst quality" in my post. And you left out a few things.
My particular diet is irrelevant anyway, what's relevant is that the essential rules are met.
I just want to find out which rules are essential and which are not. IMO, most rules of classic bodybuilding diets are not.
To each their own!!! Whatever he is doing is working for him! And he staying lean all year round which is more than I can say for myself, So who am I to tell him that he needs to change his diet?
All I'm doing is saying what I DO, and What I'VE TRIED, and Whats WORKED FOR ME. Doesn't mean its the right or wrong way, all it means is that its my way!
There are a million different ways to bodybuilding success - thats what people need to understand, there isn't just ONE COOKIE CUTTER way, we're all different and as a result we will all have different plans!
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I had to check that wasn't Basile posting. ;D
You bastad` !! lol ;D
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To each their own!!! Whatever he is doing is working for him! And he staying lean all year round which is more than I can say for myself, So who am I to tell him that he needs to change his diet?
All I'm doing is saying what I DO, and What I'VE TRIED, and Whats WORKED FOR ME. Doesn't mean its the right or wrong way, all it means is that its my way!
There are a million different ways to bodybuilding success - thats what people need to understand, there isn't just ONE COOKIE CUTTER way, we're all different and as a result we will all have different plans!
LOL, I wasn't criticizing your diet either, just interested in your answers.
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LOL, I wasn't criticizing your diet either, just interested in your answers.
Oh I know you weren't brother - I just wanted to put that out there man, because I really believe it!
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I had to check that wasn't Basile posting. ;D
same age, both thonged and oiled up ... I smell gimmick ;D
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i get tired of reading your posts these days...you know literally nothing about anything it seems.
hard work = success
hardwork + genetics = degree of success
loser's mindset = loser's physique = deicide
I know the world isn't 6,000 years old. ;)
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Good physique devil,how old are you,`bout 18-19?
22 jeh!
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22 jeh!
damit I feel old
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damit I feel old
Moi aussi... :-\ Wait, I am old, hence feeling old is natural. Sollst du auch wissen!
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Moi aussi... :-\ Wait, I am old, hence feeling old is natural. Sollst du auch wissen!
you're spring chicken
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pfffh, how "old" can you rly be... age is only a number anyway.
"that's what I used to say when I was your age..."
yeyeye :P
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you're spring chicken
Mate, anything over 30 is DEFINITIONALLY not a spring chicken. Biologally speaking we reach our peak between 20 and 25 and after that it's bergabwaerts. I know I am old but these days I just have the ultimate goal of trying to be in shape and have fun when I can and spend time with people I care about. You don't need to be young to do that stuff.
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Bledsen, people differ - some bloom at 40.
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Mate, anything over 30 is DEFINITIONALLY not a spring chicken. Biologally speaking we reach our peak between 20 and 25 and after that it's bergabwaerts. I know I am old but these days I just have the ultimate goal of trying to be in shape and have fun when I can and spend time with people I care about. You don't need to be young to do that stuff.
Oh boy, what a bullshit.
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i doubt you know anything.
you ramble on about genetics this, genetics that...blah blah bah
if you are natural...you have to GAIN weight to gain muscle. look at big ache...he was up to 250 lbs and then dieted down to the 170's. i normaly go up to 220 and diet down into the 170s as well. my brother goes up to 280 an goes down to 220's.
it doesnt take "genetics" to gain weight...just look at all the fat people around you. if you are eating big, and lifting, then you will gain fat + muscle...the majority being fat, BUT, when you diet down, you will still show significant gains.
this is solid advice btw. you can take it or leave it..i really dont care. but its vey annoying to listen to you whine 24/7 about your genetics. genetics determine muscle shape, attachments, etc. hard work determines results. if you "truly" ate big like you claimed to, then you weight would have went up drastically...but it didnt, so it was just BS.
try drinking a gallon of milk a day and eating really thick peanut butter sandwiches inbetween every meal
you will gain weight.
good luck.
You think the world is 6,000 years old???
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BTW, A calorie IS a calorie ;)