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I use them at a certain weight, figure I'd rather have my legs and back give out than my wrists.
Your take?
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Same here.......I use Joe Meekos Power-Grips.
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no condoms
no straps
thats how I roll btch
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I use wrist wraps to open a bottle of ketchup.
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You'd rather hurt you legs and back than lose your grip and drop the weight?
hahhahahaaa idiot. ;D
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When I read "dinosaur training" (sounds lame, but it's a great book) the author emphasised no strap no belt workouts. Had some really brutal sessions. Used to see how many 315 deadlifts I could do "naked". Really works the body. Feels good to be free of all that gear.
Now I'm back to straps.
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Now I'm back to strap ons.
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Great natural build there...
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HAHAHAH!!!
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no condoms
no straps
thats how I roll btch
Didn't you say you fuck/date rippers at one point?!?
that would make you a complete idiot.
been there, done that..last thing you want on your hands is a pregnant ripper
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Straps, your grip WILL eventually become the limiting factor.
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Deadlifts are dangerous and intelligent bodybuilders should never do them. You can tear muscles with this movement. Remember what Arthur Jones said, build muscle, don't demonstrate strength.
Of course beliefs are difficult to change so on one will pay heed to my advice. When you are young you feel almost invincible so scoff at warnings re injuries, etc. Too many people have torn muscles using weights that are too heavy. The deadlift does almost nothing for a physique. Train on machines and be safe.
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You'd rather hurt you legs and back than lose your grip and drop the weight?
hahhahahaaa idiot. ;D
This guy screams intelligence. ::) ::) ::)
Let me know how your back feels when you have herniated a few disc. :-\ :-\ :-\
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Deadlifts are dangerous and intelligent bodybuilders should never do them. You can tear muscles with this movement. Remember what Arthur Jones said, build muscle, don't demonstrate strength.
Of course beliefs are difficult to change so on one will pay heed to my advice. When you are young you feel almost invincible so scoff at warnings re injuries, etc. Too many people have torn muscles using weights that are too heavy. The deadlift does almost nothing for a physique. Train on machines and be safe.
DL's are dangerous if you don't know how to train, I agree that bodybuilders should not do them, training on machines makes you better on that machine and leads you to being a functional mess and leads to MORE injuries.
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dls are a good full body movement...you dont have to do them with 600 pounds to enjoy the benefits...
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I used straps on last set or 2 of deads or rows until i injured a bicep when a strap snapped. Haven't used them since, and my back and arms have never looked better. The ol intervertebral discs are thankin' me too.
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Deadlifts are dangerous and intelligent bodybuilders should never do them. You can tear muscles with this movement. Remember what Arthur Jones said, build muscle, don't demonstrate strength.
Of course beliefs are difficult to change so on one will pay heed to my advice. When you are young you feel almost invincible so scoff at warnings re injuries, etc. Too many people have torn muscles using weights that are too heavy. The deadlift does almost nothing for a physique. Train on machines and be safe.
i have to oddly enough agree with vince on this one
heavy deadlifts are asking for trouble
i do very focused 3/4 deads on the smith machine...........that bottom part of the movement that this excercise excludes is really where you get hurt...........when your feet are being driven into the floor and jackign your back trying to get it off the ground...........that part of the movement is all ass and legs anyway........i do legs on legday...........the top part of the deadlift is they part that works the thickness of your back, and that what 3/4s on teh smith machine with a focus on the squeeze at the top do
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i do very focused 3/4 deads on the smith machine...........that bottom part of the movement that this excercise excludes is really where you get hurt...........when your feet are being driven into the floor and jackign your back trying to get it off the ground...........that part of the movement is all ass and legs anyway........i do legs on legday...........the top part of the deadlift is they part that works the thickness of your back, and that what 3/4s on teh smith machine with a focus on the squeeze at the top do
You can do rack pulls for this effect too.
I hurt my back a lot doing deadlifts and switched to rack pulls but now I'm trying to get back into full deadlifts. I feel like they are more effective, especially for my erectors. Using the trap bar is also a good solution. It's easier than a regular deadlift, especially if you use the high handles.
I think a lot of people just don't know how to do deadlifts correctly. You have to keep a neutral spine, or at least very close to it. Moving through a deadlift motion with a neutral spine is tricky for some, natural for others. I'm STILL learning how to do it properly.
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You can do rack pulls for this effect too!
I hurt my back a lot doing deadlifts and switch to rack pulls but now I'm trying to get back into full deadlifts. I feel like they are more effective for some reason. Using the trap bar is also a good solution. It's easier than a regular deadlift, especially if you use the high handles.
I think a lot of people just don't know how to do deadlifts correctly. You have to keep a neutral spine, or at least very close to it. Moving through a deadlift motion with a neutral spine is tricky for some, natural for others. I'm STILL learning how to do it properly.
it all just comes down to making sure you are usign the correct weight for your current level of strenght and progress
dont try to impress anyone, or stroke your own ego
find a weight that you are able to control, adn perform the movement correctly.........when people go super heavy, your often not helping yourslf as far as bodybuilding goes......because the muscle your trying to work is not getting the correct stress........cause a bunch o fother muscles are firing just to get the weight off the ground
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yep, agreed!
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No straps. Use chalk.
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With, overhand grip. Over/under feels weird.
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You can do rack pulls for this effect too.
I hurt my back a lot doing deadlifts and switched to rack pulls but now I'm trying to get back into full deadlifts. I feel like they are more effective, especially for my erectors. Using the trap bar is also a good solution. It's easier than a regular deadlift, especially if you use the high handles.
I think a lot of people just don't know how to do deadlifts correctly. You have to keep a neutral spine, or at least very close to it. Moving through a deadlift motion with a neutral spine is tricky for some, natural for others. I'm STILL learning how to do it properly.
Its all about ROMANIAN deadlifts. This (in my opinion) is the true deadlift form. The way I do them is a partial bent leg semi straight leg approach withan emphasis on a concave back.
gh15 approved
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its sloppy, but with this type of deadlift, its OK at the smaller poundages. I really feel, this is the best overall deadlift as far as leverage is concerned.
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lol i thought that was just called a deadlift...
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The one where your cousin distracts the lifter and you pick up the bar and run to the nearest pawn shop with it is the Romanian one.
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I rarely even do deadlifts anymore, i think they are useless. i prefer to do an additional exercise for my lats than deads, you can always do some lower back extensions for your lower back.
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nothing and i mean nothing hits my erectors / traps / rhomboids besides deadlift variations (well, maybe rows sometimes).
i think i have the worst mind/muscle connection of all time.
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It doesn't really matter, you won't get great grip strength from deadlifting.
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If you plan on competing, go as high as you can without straps.
Then add straps and try to overload with more weight.
Grip is important in Deads, as that is where many fail, when they still have
strength in the tank to lockout.
Deads aren't useless, bicep pump training is though.
Bench, Squat, DL, then add some assistance exercises. Makes your whole body strong, unlike "pumping your guns".
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Never ever fucking ever use straps - ever.
You grip will get real strong - especially if you use a bit of chalk
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I use them at a certain weight, figure I'd rather have my legs and back give out than my wrists.
Your take?
I don't use them until my last two sets.
There comes a point when your grip will give way....but you still have plenty of strength left.
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...reading thru this thread I feel its a real shame that most of you guys are scared to do deadlifts. It's my FAVOURITE exercise.
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There comes a point when your grip will give way....but you still have plenty of strength left.
No.
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I use them at a certain weight, figure I'd rather have my legs and back give out than my wrists.
Your take?
Yeah, there is a limit in how strong your grip can become. When you reach a deadlifting weight around 400 lbs or so, further increases in strength become compromised if you don't wear straps because your grip doesen't become much stronger than that. To deadlift, say, 900 lbs like the World deadlifting champion without straps, you would need the gripping strength of a golden eagle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No.
So you think someones forearms and grip are as strong as their back/glutes? .... bet you have an awesome back...... ::)
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Yeah, there is a limit in how strong your grip can become. When you reach a deadlifting weight around 400 lbs or so, further increases in strength become compromised if you don't wear straps because your grip doesen't become much stronger than that. To deadlift, say, 900 lbs like the World deadlifting champion without straps, you would need the gripping strength of a golden eagle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
this is true......im not usually an advocat of straps and belts
but at a certain strength level the gross motor movement of you back and legs can handle way more weight then you small hand muscle can.......so if you can lift much more in a deadlift using all those big muscles, you shouldnt let you hand strenght be the limiting facrot
tis like putting a restrictor plate on a racecar...........the car can handle much more
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I've witnessed countless horrific deadlifting injuries. I stay well clear of this movement.
I once saw a guy tear his bicep while attempting a 1 rep max lift.
He screamed and the bicep rolled up his arm like a rubber band.
He stumbled backwards, tripped on a stray dumbell and fell into a mirror which shattered and covered him in shards of glass.
It was like a scence from a Halloween movie. blood everywhere.
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So you think someones forearms and grip are as strong as their back/glutes? .... bet you have an awesome back...... ::)
Every powerlifter's and strongman's.
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Yeah, there is a limit in how strong your grip can become. When you reach a deadlifting weight around 400 lbs or so, further increases in strength become compromised if you don't wear straps because your grip doesen't become much stronger than that. To deadlift, say, 900 lbs like the World deadlifting champion without straps, you would need the gripping strength of a golden eagle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No.
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I've witnessed countless horrific deadlifting injuries. I stay well clear of this movement.
I once saw a guy tear his bicep while attempting a 1 rep max lift.
He screamed and the bicep rolled up his arm like a rubber band.
He stumbled backwards, tripped on a stray dumbell and fell into a mirror which shattered and covered him in shards of glass.
It was like a scence from a Halloween movie. blood everywhere.
1 example = not genuine statistics.
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No.
Such wit! Such cleverness! Such incisivness!
You have convinced me that I am wrong. How can I dispute such a thorough and profound critique of my point of view as elucidated in your post? :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Such wit! Such cleverness! Such incisivness!
You have convinced me that I am wrong. How can I dispute such a thorough and profound critique of my point of view as elucidated in your post? :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hah. ::) Grip strength has one of the best potentials of the entire human body. It adapts very quickly and can be trained practically all the time. You can only hold on to 400 pounds? HAH!
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I use to push deadlifts hard and ended up with a ruptured L5-S1. I now prefer DB deadlifts where I can stay upright and use more legs. It allows for variation in the pulling angle.
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Hah. Grip strength has one of the best potentials of the entire human body. It adapts very quickly and can be trained practically all the time. You can only hold on to 400 pounds? HAH!
The ability of your wrists to hoister weights is much lower than that of the muscles of the quads and back, which are huge. Think of the surface area of the wrists compared to that of the back and legs. No way can your wrists resist as much weight as your latissimus, teres major, erectores and quadriceps can lift. Trying to deadlift say 700 lbs without straps is suicide. Even if you manage to get the bar off the ground, your wrist tendons will almost certainly give out.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I've always used straps for deadlifts - I've felt it takes the whole grip issue out of the equation and I don't lift heavy anyway - my rep range on deads is usually somewhere between 15 and 20 now, using very strict form and doing the movement slowly. I've gone down the whole powerlifting route in the last and I didn't gain any new muscle from it, only got a sore back.
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it depends what youre trying to achieve
a PR or back development
if youre after strength and 1 RM's, use straps, go all out to achieve lift
for muscle stimulation/development you want to lower the weight for higher reps, and wont need straps
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The ability of your wrists to hoister weights is much lower than that of the muscles of the quads and back, which are huge. Think of the surface area of the wrists compared to that of the back and legs. No way can your wrists resist as much weight as your latissimus, teres major, erectores and quadriceps can lift. Trying to deadlift say 700 lbs without straps is suicide. Even if you manage to get the bar off the ground, your wrist tendons will almost certainly give out.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Just no. Almost anyone can deadlift their max with a mixed grip, chalk and a good bar, no matter how poor their grip is.
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I've witnessed countless horrific deadlifting injuries. I stay well clear of this movement.
I once saw a guy tear his bicep while attempting a 1 rep max lift.
He screamed and the bicep rolled up his arm like a rubber band.
He stumbled backwards, tripped on a stray dumbell and fell into a mirror which shattered and covered him in shards of glass.
It was like a scence from a Halloween movie. blood everywhere.
wow, pull out the popcorn.
the main reason for bi tears is the alternate/mixed grip. Thats a strogman/PL grip. for bbing, use overhand grip
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Just no. Almost anyone can deadlift their max with a mixed grip, chalk and a good bar, no matter how poor their grip is.
This is obviously incorrect. A blanket statement with no evidence to support it whatsoever. If this is true, then why do even competitive powerlifters wear straps wehn training? They only don't use it in competitions where it is forbidden - and the number of wrist injuries among powerlifters is huge.
Obviously, the small tendons of the wrists cannot hoister the amount of weights that the huge muscles of the quadriceps and leg muscles can hoister. This is a scientific fact. I challenge you to present evidence that the small tendons of the wrists can become strong in proportion to the how strong the quad and back muscles can become. You cannot present such evidence because there isn't any.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is obviously incorrect. A blanket statement with no evidence to support it whatsoever. If this is true, then why do even competitive powerlifters wear straps wehn training? They only don't use it in competitions where it is forbidden - and the number of wrist injuries among powerlifters is huge.
They don't use straps in training. Wrist injuries happen because of the bench press.
Obviously, the small tendons of the wrists cannot hoister the amount of weights that the huge muscles of the quadriceps and leg muscles can hoister. This is a scientific fact. I challenge you to present evidence that the small tendons of the wrists can become strong in proportion to the how strong the quad and back muscles can become. You cannot present such evidence because there isn't any.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Any powerlifting competition.
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Lol @ suckshisownmuscle trying to be a little troll and being pwned.
Bunch of anti deadlifting strap wearing pussies in this thread!
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Straps, your grip WILL eventually become the limiting factor.
Agreed
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the over under grip definatly causes alot of problems, i had constant pain in my biceps and forarms for year due to this,,, ive also tore a hamstring due to deads in general, be cautious.....
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it all just comes down to making sure you are usign the correct weight for your current level of strenght and progress
dont try to impress anyone, or stroke your own ego
find a weight that you are able to control, adn perform the movement correctly.........when people go super heavy, your often not helping yourslf as far as bodybuilding goes..
THIS
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I only use straps after my grip gives out. I do both deads and rack-pulls on occasion.
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I use wrist wraps to open a bottle of ketchup.
thats hilarious
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i use straps anything more 315lb on the dead
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i use straps anything more 315lb on the dead
I used to be all about straps...but my grip was pure shit so i started over on everything w/o straps
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the Rev Grip for dead works pretty well.. but when i do other pulling movements such as chainsaws.. im tempted to use straps. but instead i just dont go as heavy
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Just no. Almost anyone can deadlift their max with a mixed grip, chalk and a good bar, no matter how poor their grip is.
You know your deadlifting. 8)
Though it does have to do with the size of your hand and length of fingers. Very small hands will have trouble with deads, just look at the generally smaller powerlifters.
You're right, you don't have to have a very strong grip to hold a lot of weight with a well knurled bar, chalk and mixed grip. I don't have a very strong grip but I have held 1000lbs for 3 seconds in a lockout deadlift without straps, that was my grip limit I felt, obviously way over my floor max. Pure suicide from injury standpoint though. :D
If you have at least average sized hands and are interested in powerlifting you'll actually pull more without straps. At least most will.
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I used to be all about straps...but my grip was pure shit so i started over on everything w/o straps
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the Rev Grip for dead works pretty well.. but when i do other pulling movements such as chainsaws.. im tempted to use straps. but instead i just dont go as heavy
What are Chainsaw pulling movements?
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What are Chainsaw pulling movements?
You know like Dumbbell Bent over rows...looks like youre starting a chainsaw
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I used straps like twice...........in my opinion, good way to fuck up your hand/wrist, with no straps, if you mess up somehow, you can just drop the bar, when you use straps and mess up, you drop the bar with the strap still around the bar, you could dislocate your wrist.
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What are Chainsaw pulling movements?
SWAT teams.
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I used to wear straps but i wanted a stronger grip/bigger forearms so i stopped using them. Started with chalk now I don't even need chalk.
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I used to wear straps but i wanted a stronger grip/bigger forearms so i stopped using them. Started with chalk now I don't even need chalk.
Well whoopity doo for you.. with your big forearms and what not..
lol just kidding.. i think ill do the same
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Always without.
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I used to wear straps but i wanted a stronger grip/bigger forearms so i stopped using them. Started with chalk now I don't even need chalk.
Don't need chalk ......you must be a beast.
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Don't need chalk ......you must be a beast.
try deadlifting heavy without chalk or straps ;)
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try deadlifting heavy without chalk or straps ;)
What's "heavy"?
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What's "heavy"?
more than you lift ;)
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Same here.......I use Joe Meekos Power-Grips.
Wish i would have got a pair before he died..R.I.P
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more than you lift ;)
Oh brother.......another tough guy spouting off about how much he lifts yet won't lay claim to a number. ::)
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here we go.........
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Always without.
Likewise never used straps, I wrap some tissue paper round my hands to save my skin and give me a little more grip that's all...I dont really see the need to use straps, if the weight is too heavy for your wrists then lower the weight until they can cope, doesnt seem too hard. (Im talking to anybody that lifts less than 500 here not ronnie coleman types)
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Yeah, there is a limit in how strong your grip can become. When you reach a deadlifting weight around 400 lbs or so, further increases in strength become compromised if you don't wear straps because your grip doesen't become much stronger than that. To deadlift, say, 900 lbs like the World deadlifting champion without straps, you would need the gripping strength of a golden eagle.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL stupidest post of the year right here. Epic bullshit. ;D
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LOL stupidest post of the year right here. Epic bullshit. ;D
gripping anything in the 400's shouldn't be too difficult for anybody natural who is serious about their lifting. For people on gear i cant see how anything in the 400's would pose much of a problem at all.
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A strong guy could hold onto 650+ lbs without any real training.
Getting it off the floor is a different matter.
I know a 145lb guy who rack pulled 661lbs He could 'only' deadlift 475ish
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Deadlifts are dangerous and intelligent bodybuilders should never do them. You can tear muscles with this movement. Remember what Arthur Jones said, build muscle, don't demonstrate strength.
Of course beliefs are difficult to change so on one will pay heed to my advice. When you are young you feel almost invincible so scoff at warnings re injuries, etc. Too many people have torn muscles using weights that are too heavy. The deadlift does almost nothing for a physique. Train on machines and be safe.
I agree machines have their place Vince, but for functional strength, Squat and DL are kings.
If someone only trains with machines, they are just pumping separate body-parts, and they are sitting on their ass for the whole workout. Barbells/dumbbells are king, machines are nice additions. (IMO)
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I've been doing deads every back workout for 2 months and I can tell a difference.
...I use straps when I get to 3 plates a side.
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I've been doing deads every back workout for 2 months and I can tell a difference.
...I use straps when I get to 3 plates a side.
Ghey
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Ghey
A,B,C,or D >:(
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A,B,C,or D >:(
LMAO ;D ;D
Im so fuckin easily ammused
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I use straps when I want to roll Tallgerman's mom over
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I would really love to see any of you Supermen deadlifting 650 lbs without any straps on. I would love to see that. I am 100% confident that none of you could do it. Hell, I don't think any of you could do it even with straps on, let alone without them.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That is probaly because our backs/legs are not strong enough to lift it.
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That is probaly because our backs/legs are not strong enough to lift it.
Yeah, you can't even lift it without straps, so I can't prove you wrong, right? So pointless discussion. I doubt, though, that if they gave you a bar loaded with 650 lbs and they tied your kness and you wore a belt to support your back, you would be able to hold it without straps for more than 5 seconds. I doubt it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That is probaly because our backs/legs are not strong enough to lift it.
You must be be able to do it? If not, pretty close, right?
But yeah, grip isn't usually the problem if done the way powerlifters do it.
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Yeah, you can't even lift it without straps, so I can't prove you wrong, right? So pointless discussion. I doubt, though, that if they gave you a bar loaded with 650 lbs and they tied your kness and you wore a belt to support your back, you would be able to hold it without straps for more than 5 seconds. I doubt it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I could
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Yeah, you can't even lift it without straps, so I can't prove you wrong, right? So pointless discussion. I doubt, though, that if they gave you a bar loaded with 650 lbs and they tied your kness and you wore a belt to support your back, you would be able to hold it without straps for more than 5 seconds. I doubt it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I bet Ursus could hold 650 for a minute or two, using mixed grip of course. Are you thinking of a over grip without thumb hook, because that's a completely different thing? My limit was 500lbs I think, from the floor. So basically grip strength is almost halved for me.
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You must be be able to do it? If not, pretty close, right?
But yeah, grip isn't usually the problem if done the way powerlifters do it.
No I am a fair bit away from it. For years my DL stagnated and then I kept getting injured. It is decent atm moving in right direction but I dont think I would be near 600lbs never mind 650.
Most people can't deadlift that weight because you can't lift it. I have never met a guy who deadlifts over even 500lbs with straps who could not lift it without.
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Even though it is a different type of grip used (support rather than crush) My forearms can hold much more weight than I can use to perform certain exercises.
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I have never met a guy who deadlifts over even 500lbs with straps who could not lift it without.
I use to dead 500 for reps strapped in and I couldn't do it once without straps :-[ ......that was the last time I used straps, probably 1.5 years ago. Now I just chalk it up.
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I could
Prove it. Hold a bar loaded with 650 lbs for five seconds. I want to see it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Prove it. Hold a bar loaded with 650 lbs for five seconds. I want to see it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If I train tomorrow I will do so.
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I use to dead 500 for reps strapped in and I couldn't do it once without straps :-[ ......that was the last time I used straps, probably 1.5 years ago. Now I just chalk it up.
Thats pretty unusual. Liquid chalk I find is the best. Thats what I use. Seems as though the bar sticks to your hands and you only need one application for a whole workout unless you are drenched in sweat.