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Barack and Michelle Obama hail Kwanzaa umoja
LA Times ^ | 12-27-10 | Andrew Malcolm
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Michelle and I extend our warmest thoughts and wishes to all those who are celebrating Kwanzaa this holiday season. Today [Dec. 26] is the first of a joyful seven-day celebration of African American culture and heritage. The seven principles of Kwanzaa -- unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith -- are some of the very values that make us Americans.
As families across America and around the world light the Kinara today in the spirit of umoja, or unity, our family sends our well wishes and blessings for a happy and healthy new year.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...
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The seven principles of Kwanzaa -- unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith -- are some of the very values that make us Americans.
No wonder this country is so fucked. What a jackass.
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Bump - what is this "collective work" bullshit?
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yeah - what a dick
fuck any citizens who might have some other tradition or belief than you
who does this guy think he is.... the POTUS?
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yeah - what a dick
fuck any citizens who might have some other tradition or belief than you
who does this guy think he is.... the POTUS?
Yeah straw - if it walks like a communist, talks like a communist, usualy it is one.
Sorry - I don't buy into this collectivist communist shit you and bama does.
And "collective work" - can I get his sasquatch wife to come and clean my toilet and his kids to come and mop the floors?
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Yeah straw - if it walks like a communist, talks like a communist, usualy it is one.
Sorry - I don't buy into this collectivist communist shit you and bama does.
And "collective work" - can I get his sasquatch wife to come and clean my toilet and his kids to come and mop the floors?
Sheesh Man - have you considered that the POTUS has a long tradition of sending out holiday greetings to many different beliefs and cultures ?
Was Bush a Commie when he did the same thing when he was POTUS?
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Kwanza.... ::)
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Sheesh Man - have you considered that the POTUS has a long tradition of sending out holiday greetings to many different beliefs and cultures ?
Was Bush a Commie when he did the same thing when he was POTUS?
Bush was a POS and I have asked many times for one poster to fnd one post of mine supportin Bush. Bush was a one-worlder and fiscal disaster. He pandered to hispanics and other groups and I don't remember his advocating "collective work" and "collective responsibility"
Funny thing about Obama and his ilk is that if I want to hold the black community "collectively responsible" for the outrageous levels of violence, unwed pregnancies, dropping out of school, recidivist crime, rape, drug abuse, etc I am called a racist.
Go figure.
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Kwanza.... ::)
i think Bama was more interested in getting out into the public that "collective work" and "collective responsibility" garbage more than celebrate kwanzaa.
He is more interested in scarfing down steak, beers, cigs, coke, lobster tales, and booze.
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Bush was a POS and I have asked many times for one poster to fnd one post of mine supportin Bush. Bush was a one-worlder and fiscal disaster. He pandered to hispanics and other groups and I don't remember his advocating "collective work" and "collective responsibility"
Funny thing about Obama and his ilk is that if I want to hold the black community "collectively responsible" for the outrageous levels of violence, unwed pregnancies, dropping out of school, recidivist crime, rape, drug abuse, etc I am called a racist.
Go figure.
that's because if you truly believe that then you are a racist
Go Figure
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that's because if you truly believe that then you are a racist
Go Figure
Why?
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are you serious.. i celebrated the first day of Kwanza yesterday too. what is the fucking big deal.. im literally physically sick reading your shit. as a professional and an American you ought to be ashamed of your life
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Jesus h you are dumb... im not lying.. im physically sick to think that you are an adult and an American.. are you for real..like seriously.. please tell me you are shitting me
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are you serious.. i celebrated the first day of Kwanza yesterday too. what is the fucking big deal.. im literally physically sick reading your shit. as a professional and an American you ought to be ashamed of your life
Mal all my brotha friends laugh when Kwanza is brought up.....must be a Westside thing.... ;D
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Why?
if you're really not sure why then think about it for awhile and let me know if you can't figure it out
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Jesus h you are dumb... im not lying.. im physically sick to think that you are an adult and an American.. are you for real..like seriously.. please tell me you are shitting me
Why?
Tell me more about this "collective work" and "collective responsibility" that obama is talking about?
I'm interested in this as I have a few home projects in mind that i could use some help with. Instead of paying someone, maybe I can get some fellow citizens to to do it for free as their "collective responsibility".
BTW - Kwanzaa is more bullshit. Maybe I should start a white holiday and see how far that gets me.
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Jesus h you are dumb... im not lying.. im physically sick to think that you are an adult and an American.. are you for real..like seriously.. please tell me you are shitting me
the simple explanation is that he could just be really fucking stupid
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if you're really not sure why then think about it for awhile and let me know if you can't figure it out
Don't know Straw - Obama brought it up and i am trying to make an example of what "collective responsibilty" means.
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Mal all my brotha friends laugh when Kwanza is brought up.....must be a Westside thing.... ;D
it was a a reason for me and the hommies to get together and eat.. Na but for real someone asked me what Kwanza means i said some Kneega in Long Beach invited it.. but i like the meaning around it.. black community is so divided so we all got together yesterday (though i dont live there anymore..i supported my friends efforts) Its just a step in the right direction.. Too much Playa hatin in the hood..
has nothing to do with whatever 3333 is trying to say
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it was a a reason for me and the hommies to get together and eat.. Na but for real someone asked me what Kwanza means i said some Kneega in Long Beach invited it.. but i like the meaning around it.. black community is so divided so we all got together yesterday (though i dont live there anymore..i supported my friends efforts) Its just a step in the right direction.. Too much Playa hatin in the hood..
has nothing to do with whatever 3333 is trying to say
I thought the Million Man March was for that?
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Don't know Straw - Obama brought it up and i am trying to make an example of what "collective responsibilty" means.
dont' know
don't care
it's just one of many types of statements that all POTUS's make
Your racist remarks are a lot worse than your delusional that everything Obama says is a secret commie code
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dont' know
don't care
it's just one of many types of statements that all POTUS's make
Your racist remarks are a lot worse than your delusional that everything Obama says is a secret commie code
What racist remark?
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I thought the Million Man March was for that?
well you thought wrong.. wouldnt be first time
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it was a a reason for me and the hommies to get together and eat.. Na but for real someone asked me what Kwanza means i said some Kneega in Long Beach invited it.. but i like the meaning around it.. black community is so divided so we all got together yesterday (though i dont live there anymore..i supported my friends efforts) Its just a step in the right direction.. Too much Playa hatin in the hood..
has nothing to do with whatever 3333 is trying to say
Thats what some of my college friends would say......much better to observe something that brings the community together instead of shootin' each other at a cookout..... they just didn't take a lot of the stuff behind it very seriously..... but i'm always up for a reason to just hang out with friends, eat and catch a game... 8)
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Thats what some of my college friends would say......much better to observe something that brings the community together instead of shootin' each other at a cookout..... they just didn't take a lot of the stuff behind it very seriously..... but i'm always up for a reason to just hang out with friends, eat and catch a game... 8)
Why do people shoot each other at cookouts? Beer too warm?
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Why do people shoot each other at cookouts? Beer too warm?
haha, i would only fire if someone spilled mine and didn't offer to fetch me another one.....
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Check this out.
http://www.officialkwanzaawebsite.org/NguzoSaba.shtml
If white people ever had a holiday with these goals - they would be called Nazi's and Arayan Nation.
Double standards as always
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lol.. ok
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KWANZAA --- The Creation of a Deranged Racist Felon
Front Page Mag dot com | 12-24-99 | Mulshine; comments, DFU
Posted on 12/08/2002 5:29:24 PM PST by doug from upland
by Paul Mulshine
FrontPagemag.com
December 24, 1999
ON DECEMBER 24, 1971, the New York Times ran one of the first of many articles on a new holiday designed to foster unity among African Americans. The holiday, called Kwanzaa, was applauded by a certain sixteen-year-old minister who explained that the feast would perform the valuable service of "de-whitizing" Christmas. The minister was a nobody at the time but he would later go on to become perhaps the premier race-baiter of the twentieth century. His name was Al Sharpton and he would later spawn the Tawana Brawley hoax and then incite anti-Jewish tensions in a 1995 incident that ended with the arson deaths of seven people.
Great minds think alike. The inventor of the holiday was one of the few black "leaders" in America even worse than Sharpton. But there was no mention in the Times article of this man or of the fact that at that very moment he was sitting in a California prison. And there was no mention of the curious fact that this purported benefactor of the black people had founded an organization that in its short history tortured and murdered blacks in ways of which the Ku Klux Klan could only fantasize.
It was in newspaper articles like that, repeated in papers all over the country, that the tradition of Kwanzaa began. It is a tradition not out of Africa but out of Orwell. Both history and language have been bent to serve a political goal. When that New York Times article appeared, Ron Karenga's crimes were still recent events. If the reporter had bothered to do any research into the background of the Kwanzaa founder, he might have learned about Karenga's trial earlier that year on charges of torturing two women who were members of US (United Slaves), a black nationalist cult he had founded.
A May 14, 1971, article in the Los Angeles Times described the testimony of one of them: "Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said."
Back then, it was relatively easy to get information on the trial. Now it's almost impossible. It took me two days' work to find articles about it. The Los Angeles Times seems to have been the only major newspaper that reported it and the stories were buried deep in the paper, which now is available only on microfilm. And the microfilm index doesn't start until 1972, so it is almost impossible to find the three small articles that cover Karenga's trial and conviction on charges of torture. That is fortunate for Karenga. The trial showed him to be not just brutal, but deranged. He and three members of his cult had tortured the women in an attempt to find some nonexistent "crystals" of poison. Karenga thought his enemies were out to get him.
And in another lucky break for Karenga, the trial transcript no longer exists. I filed a request for it with the Superior Court of Los Angeles. After a search, the court clerk could find no record of the trial. So the exact words of the black woman who had a hot soldering iron pressed against her face by the man who founded Kwanzaa are now lost to history. The only document the court clerk did find was particularly revealing, however. It was a transcript of Karenga's sentencing hearing on Sept. 17, 1971.
A key issue was whether Karenga was sane. Judge Arthur L. Alarcon read from a psychiatrist's report: "Since his admission here he has been isolated and has been exhibiting bizarre behavior, such as staring at the wall, talking to imaginary persons, claiming that he was attacked by dive-bombers and that his attorney was in the next cell. … During part of the interview he would look around as if reacting to hallucination and when the examiner walked away for a moment he began a conversation with a blanket located on his bed, stating that there was someone there and implying indirectly that the 'someone' was a woman imprisoned with him for some offense. This man now presents a picture which can be considered both paranoid and schizophrenic with hallucinations and elusions, inappropriate affect, disorganization, and impaired contact with the environment."
The founder of Kwanzaa paranoid? It seems so. But as the old saying goes, just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get you.
ACCORDING TO COURT DOCUMENTS, Karenga's real name is Ron N. Everett. In the '60s, he awarded himself the title "maulana," Swahili for "master teacher." He was born on a poultry farm in Maryland, the fourteenth child of a Baptist minister. He came to California in the late 1950s to attend Los Angeles Community College. He moved on to UCLA, where he got a Master's degree in political science and African Studies. By the mid-1960s, he had established himself as a leading "cultural nationalist." That is a term that had some meaning in the '60s, mainly as a way of distinguishing Karenga's followers from the Black Panthers, who were conventional Marxists.
Another way of distinguishing might be to think of Karenga's gang as the Crips and the Panthers as the bloods. Despite all their rhetoric about white people, they reserved their most vicious violence for each other. In 1969, the two groups squared off over the question of who would control the new Afro-American Studies Center at UCLA. According to a Los Angeles Times article, Karenga and his adherents backed one candidate, the Panthers another. Both groups took to carrying guns on campus, a situation that, remarkably, did not seem to bother the university administration. The Black Student Union, however, set up a coalition to try and bring peace between the Panthers and the group headed by the man whom the Times labeled "Ron Ndabezitha Everett-Karenga."
On Jan. 17, 1969, about 150 students gathered in a lunchroom to discuss the situation. Two Panthers—admitted to UCLA like many of the black students as part of a federal program that put high-school dropouts into the school—apparently spent a good part of the meeting in verbal attacks against Karenga. This did not sit well with Karenga's followers, many of whom had adopted the look of their leader, pseudo-African clothing and a shaved head.
In modern gang parlance, you might say Karenga was "dissed" by John Jerome Huggins, 23, and Alprentice "Bunchy" Carter, 26. After the meeting, the two Panthers were met in the hallway by two brothers who were members of US, George P. and Larry Joseph Stiner. The Stiners pulled pistols and shot the two Panthers dead. One of the Stiners took a bullet in the shoulder, apparently from a Panther's gun.
There were other beatings and shooting in Los Angeles involving US, but by then the tradition of African nationalism had already taken hold—among whites. That tradition calls for any white person, whether a journalist, a college official, or a politician, to ignore the obvious flaws of the concept that blacks should have a separate culture. "The students here have handled themselves in an absolutely impeccable manner," UCLA chancellor Charles E. Young told the L.A. Times. "They have been concerned. They haven't argued who the director should be; they have been saying what kind of person he should be." Young made those remarks after the shooting. And the university went ahead with its Afro-American Studies Program. Karenga, meanwhile, continued to build and strengthen US, a unique group that seems to have combined the elements of a street gang with those of a California cult. The members performed assaults and robberies but they also strictly followed the rules laid down in The Quotable Karenga, a book that laid out "The Path of Blackness." "The sevenfold path of blackness is think black, talk black, act black, create black, buy black, vote black, and live black," the book states.
In retrospect, it may be fortunate that the cult fell apart over the torture charges. Left to his own devices, Karenga might have orchestrated the type of mass suicide later pioneered by the People's Temple and copied by the Heaven's Gate cult. Instead, he apparently fell into deep paranoia shortly after the killings at UCLA. He began fearing that his followers were trying to have him killed. On May 9, 1970 he initiated the torture session that led to his imprisonment. Karenga himself will not comment on that incident and the victims cannot be located, so the sole remaining account is in the brief passage from the L.A. Times describing tortures inflicted by Karenga and his fellow defendants, Louis Smith and Luz Maria Tamayo:
"The victims said they were living at Karenga's home when Karenga accused them of trying to kill him by placing 'crystals' in his food and water and in various areas of his house. When they denied it, allegedly they were beaten with an electrical cord and a hot soldering iron was put in Miss Davis' mouth and against her face. Police were told that one of Miss Jones' toes was placed in a small vise which then allegedly was tightened by one of the defendants. The following day Karenga allegedly told the women that 'Vietnamese torture is nothing compared to what I know.' Miss Tamayo reportedly put detergent in their mouths, Smith turned a water hose full force on their faces, and Karenga, holding a gun, threatened to shoot both of them."
Karenga was convicted of two counts of felonious assault and one count of false imprisonment. He was sentenced on Sept. 17, 1971, to serve one to ten years in prison. A brief account of the sentencing ran in several newspapers the following day. That was apparently the last newspaper article to mention Karenga's unfortunate habit of doing unspeakable things to black people. After that, the only coverage came from the hundreds of news accounts that depict him as the wonderful man who invented Kwanzaa.
LOOK AT ANY MAP OF THE WORLD and you will see that Ghana and Kenya are on opposite sides of the continent. This brings up an obvious question about Kwanzaa: Why did Karenga use Swahili words for his fictional African feast? American blacks are primarily descended from people who came from Ghana and other parts of West Africa. Kenya and Tanzania—where Swahili is spoken—are several thousand miles away, about as far from Ghana as Los Angeles is from New York. Yet in celebrating Kwanzaa, African-Americans are supposed to employ a vocabulary of such Swahili words as "kujichagulia" and "kuumba." This makes about as much sense as having Irish-Americans celebrate St. Patrick's Day by speaking Polish. One possible explanation is that Karenga was simply ignorant of African geography and history when he came up with Kwanzaa in 1966. That might explain why he would schedule a harvest festival near the solstice, a season when few fruits or vegetables are harvested anywhere. But a better explanation is that he simply has contempt for black people.
That does not seem a farfetched hypothesis. Despite all his rhetoric about white racism, I could find no record that he or his followers ever raised a hand in anger against a white person. In fact, Karenga had an excellent relationship with Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty in the '60s and also met with then-Governor Ronald Reagan and other white politicians. But he and his gang were hell on blacks. And Karenga certainly seems to have had a low opinion of his fellow African-Americans. "People think it's African, but it's not," he said about his holiday in an interview quoted in the Washington Post. "I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods would be partying." "Bloods" is a '60s California slang term for black people.
That Post article appeared in 1978. Like other news articles from that era, it makes no mention of Karenga's criminal past, which seems to have been forgotten the minute he got out of prison in 1975. Profiting from the absence of memory, he remade himself as Maulana Ron Karenga, went into academics, and by 1979 he was running the Black Studies Department at California State University in Long Beach.
This raises a question: Karenga had just ten years earlier proven himself capable of employing guns and bullets in his efforts to control hiring in the Black Studies Department at UCLA. So how did this ex-con, fresh out jail, get the job at Long Beach? Did he just send a résumé and wait by the phone? The officials at Long Beach State don't like that type of question. I called the university and got a spokeswoman by the name of Toni Barone. She listened to my questions and put me on hold. Christmas music was playing, a nice touch under the circumstances. She told me to fax her my questions. I sent a list of questions that included the matter of whether Karenga had employed threats to get his job. I also asked just what sort of crimes would preclude a person from serving on the faculty there in Long Beach. And whether the university takes any security measures to ensure that Karenga doesn't shoot any students. Barone faxed me back a reply stating that the university is pleased with Karenga's performance and has no record of the procedures that led to his hiring. She ignored the question about how they protect students.
Actually, there is clear evidence that Karenga has reformed. In 1975, he dropped his cultural nationalist views and converted to Marxism. For anyone else, this would have been seen as an endorsement of radicalism, but for Karenga it was considered a sign that he had moderated his outlook. The ultimate irony is that now that Karenga is a Marxist, the capitalists have taken over his holiday. The seven principles of Kwanzaa include "collective work" and "cooperative economics," but Kwanzaa is turning out to be as commercial as Christmas, generating millions in greeting-card sales alone. The purists are whining. "It's clear that a number of major corporations have started to take notice and try to profit from Kwanzaa," said a San Francisco State black studies professor named "Oba T'Shaka" in one news account. "That's not good, with money comes corruption." No, he's wrong. With money comes kitsch. The L.A. Times reported a group was planning an "African Village Faire," the pseudo-archaic spelling of "faire" nicely combining kitsch Africana with kitsch Americana.
With money also comes forgetfulness. As those warm Kwanzaa feelings are generated in a spirit of holiday cheer, those who celebrate this holiday do so in blissful ignorance of the sordid violence, paranoia, and mayhem that helped generate its birth some three decades ago in a section of America that has vanished down the memory hole.
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Check this out.
http://www.officialkwanzaawebsite.org/NguzoSaba.shtml
If white people ever had a holiday with these goals - they would be called Nazi's and Arayan Nation.
Double standards as always
What are you talking about?
Because they say "our people"?
Our people to me, is the human race man... You really do like to stretch things... I didn't think you were racist before, but you really might be.
Racist test - if you believe that "our people" means some ethnic background or skin color... I've got news for you.
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lol.. ok
no - for real.
Those things sound no different than La Raza.
Its fucking horseshit. If there was a white people had a "holiday" that focused on spending money only in white businesses as a principal on to itself, there would be a national crisis.
Typical double standards.
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What are you talking about?
Because they say "our people"?
Our people to me, is the human race man... You really do like to stretch things... I didn't think you were racist before, but you really might be.
Racist test - if you believe that "our people" means some ethnic background or skin color... I've got news for you.
Why did you leave out the "race" part? hhhmmmm? ? ? ?
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Why did you leave out the "race" part? hhhmmmm? ? ? ?
What race part are you talking about?
The unity part? Dude... The black community as a whole needs some unity. They are always turning on each other... Look at black on black crime.
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What race part are you talking about?
The unity part? Dude... The black community as a whole needs some unity. They are always turning on each other... Look at black on black crime.
This is why i cant take 333 serious
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What race part are you talking about?
The unity part? Dude... The black community as a whole needs some unity. They are always turning on each other... Look at black on black crime.
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Like i could realy give a rats ass if black gangbangers are shooting each other? Fuck em - if they want to kill ech oher - why should get in the way? personally, I am in favor of letting people kill each other if they want, saves the taxpayer billions of dollars.
Same for any race, group, etc. its like mobsters killing each toher - great - put them in a zoo and let them kill each other and leave us alone.
By the way - would it be better if they were killing hispanics istead of other blacks?
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This is why i cant take 333 serious
Straw called me racist for pointing out the levels of black crime. When Tu does it - its ok. Got it.
And considering the background of the founder of this "holiday" - I think its safe to say Tu that he is not referring to the human race one bit.
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Straw called me racist for pointing out the levels of black crime. When Tu does it - its ok. Got it.
And considering the background of the founder of this "holiday" - I think its safe to say Tu that he is not referring to the human race one bit.
didnt read this.. shut up.. off yourself..
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Straw called me racist for pointing out the levels of black crime. When Tu does it - its ok. Got it.
And considering the background of the founder of this "holiday" - I think its safe to say Tu that he is not referring to the human race one bit.
Sure it's ok... cause my delivery is just better.
Is it a double standard? Maybe so, but guess what? There's 2 things there... so welcome to the world.
I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is.
Man, I tell you what... HE can refer to it however HE wants to, but most people I know who celebrate it at all (and it's VERY small percentage) don't see it that way.
Most of the black community just celebrates christmas because they're jesus people.
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I'm glad i looked this up.
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December 27, 2010
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/12/obamas_hail_kwa.php
Obamas hail Kwanzaa 'umoja' (Hail made-up 'racist' religion formed by a former black militant, Marxist and convicted felon)
Topics: Political News and commentaries
From the L.A. Times:
President Obama's statement marking Kwanzaa
Michelle and I extend our warmest thoughts and wishes to all those who are celebrating Kwanzaa this holiday season. Today [Dec. 26] is the first of a joyful seven-day celebration of African American culture and heritage.
The seven principles of Kwanzaa -- unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith -- are some of the very values that make us Americans.
As families across America and around the world light the Kinara today in the spirit of umoja (edit - link inserted by me), or unity, our family sends our well wishes and blessings for a happy and healthy new year.
As I did back in December 2005, lets once again take the opportunity to straighten out the not-so-understood and much misrepresented (mostly by the media)t so-called "holiday" of "Kwanzaa" ... hailed by our racially-divisive president and his wife who refer to themselves as Christians.
And since I'm not black, let's again have La Shawn Barber, who is, explain the matter:
... [F]or decades, the media have given credence to many a self-appointed black "leader," no matter how outrageous. Now they're doing the same with a pagan ritual called Kwanzaa, a so-called African-American holiday.
A made-up, anti-Christian observance, Kwanzaa is celebrated by blacks who profess Christ. In our politically correct climate, even President George Bush, a believer in Christ, feels obligated to praise this ritual.
Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by Dr. Maulana "Ron" Karenga, a former black militant, Marxist and convicted felon. Claiming to have the unity of black people in mind, Karenga committed most of his crimes against blacks.
Just five years after his invention, he was convicted of torturing two black women by stripping them naked, beating them with electrical cords, placing a hot iron into the mouth of one and mangling the toe of the other in a vise. During the ordeal, he forced them to drink detergent.
... - bserved from December 26 to January 1, this "alternative" to Christmas is based on a mixture of East African harvest rituals called first fruits -- according to Karenga -- and 1960s radicalism, although most ancestors of black Americans were from West Africa.
Participants acknowledge their African roots and promote seven, harmless-sounding principles -- unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith.
While they sound commendable, the guiding principle behind Kwanzaa is based on race, not on faith in the one true living God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
La Sawn goes on to sum it up in a nutshell and make sure there's no doubt as to how ridiculous it is to celebrate "Kwanzaa":
... [A}ttention Christians: Kwanzaa is a made-up creed cobbled together by a man hostile to the very God you claim to worship! According to Karenga, Christianity is a myth. He does not believe in the God of the Bible. He says this about Christianity: "Belief in spooks who threaten us if we don't worship them and demand we turn over our destiny and daily lives must be categorized as spookism and condemned" He believes that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, the whole rationale behind Christianity, is a myth.
Over the years, Karenga has altered his pagan intentions to attract more black Christians into the fold. He now claims that Kwanzaa is a time of giving "reverence to the Creator." Just what creator he refers to is unclear. Red flags should jump out at any Bible-believing Christian when someone reveres a "Creator" but denies the deity of Christ.
Christians must understand that Karenga intends Kwanzaa to be an alternative to Christmas so that blacks can celebrate themselves rather than the birth of Christ.
Kwanzaa is not an innocuous celebration of black history. It attempts to spiritualize that history, replacing Christ-centered theology with pagan principles. For Christians, the only principles by which to live are found in God's word, the Bible.
And this nonsense, my fellow Americans, is what our president and his wife have taken the time to recognize by "extending their "warmest thoughts and wishes." Perhaps not really a big surprise, given that we're talking about a man that spent 20 years in Jeremiah Wright's racist church of "Black Liberation Theology."
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Like i could realy give a rats ass if black gangbangers are shooting each other? Fuck em -
But those people have to be reached. And if this "holiday" is a vehicle to embrace them and foster some change.. you dont have to give a fuck.. we you arent part of it.. so you dont care.. but that person who is shot is someones kid.. someones brother someones spouse. So if there can be some focus on stopping that.. im all for it.. please dont comment on shit you have no fuckin clue about.. this is some shit that is close to me...im from a community that was responsible for the LA riots... 78th and normandie chump so i know what gang shit is about.. I went to Washington prep.. look it up.. I volunteer coach for high schools in LA and watts.. i know what these kids go through.. so you need to shut the fuck up..
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=7654581
The guy hugging the kid.. thats me..
This is another kid that you dont gove a fuck about
Heartfelt words from a Los Angeles high school senior. 17 year old Cedric Boswell is as motivated as any young child that had the privilege of both parents under the same roof in a suburban home. When hearing Cedric‘s story I was completely enthralled. Not knowing where the next speed bump would be or quick turn would happen I admired his strength to hold onto the steering wheel and not crash despite all of the inclement weather that has poured over him. A self admitted Momma’s boy he remembers the day that she abandoned him.
Homeless for a year always jumping from house to house of different relatives, in and out of shelters Cedric’s memories of being homeless will never leave him. The summer he graduated from 5th grade “We went broke” Cedric says. Living in about two shelters and on a Army base for a while life was tough for Cedric, his mother and sister. Unfortunately, because of his mother’s alcohol addiction, she had to be hospitalized for seizures. At that point a shelter employee asked Cedric do you have any relatives we can contact. Of course having lived with everyone in his family he definitely had numbers to call. Cedric and his uncle (who picked him up from the shelter) were under the impression when Cedric’s mother was released from the hospital in two days she would come for her children.Cedric’s mother never showed. Day after day with hopes that the self-proclaimed “momma’s boy” would see his mother again finally came to an end. Feeling neglected Cedric became a straight “F” student until his father stepped into his life around his 8th grade year. Not really having a relationship with his father Cedric went to live with him, while unfortunately being separating from his little sister for the first time in his life. This was the life changing moment. His father definitely had his work cut out for the son he hardly knew.
Now at the age of 17 Cedric is looking forward to becoming a doctor, specializing in emergency medicine. With high hopes of attending UCLA to make his dream come true; this young man is definitely on the right path. Earning “A’s” since the 8th grade and involved in a bevy of activities such as: Member of the football team ,track team, WASC /OTTP Occupational Therapy Training Program , Peer Mediator, Peer Counselor, Afterschool Program, Poetry Club, Occupational Therapy training program , and Associated Student Body President.Constantly volunteering in his community, and winning several awards such as the silver medal for the NAACP ACT-SO Contest & Magnet Student of the Year. But the award he is most proud of to date is the WEST POINT LEADERSHIP AWARD! Cedric was the only junior in the Los Angeles School District to be given this prestigious award.
One thing is for sure Cedric’s past might have not been the American Fairytale but he’s definitely headed for the stars
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And that's commendable - and to be honest - what i don't like is the double standard.
If it works great! All I'm saying is that I dn't like the double standards to where if I founded a white holiday I would have DHS at my doorstep.
My personal beleve is that what works is not focusing on race, unity, etc ad all that mamby pamby feel good nonsense - but OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS of what is expected as a normative form of behavior.
When i hear the italian shit - guess what - I agree - the goombahs are an embarassment and as far as the mobsters go - i wish we could round em all up and put them in the bronx zoo and let them off each oher.
As for black gangbangers - after a certain point people just don't give a shit anymore. Sad but true.
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Who gives a fuck what you like and dont like.. you just said you dont care if they kill each other because its easier on tax payers and you dont get in their way...
I do get in their way.. because i dont want people killed..
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Thats you.. u dont give a fuck.. i do.. i dont like that a kid misses practice because his brother was shot.. or his best friend was killed.. now he wants to get revenge.. i try to break the cycle.. so you can not give a fuck and comment on the sidelines from your computer.. or you can do something.. or shut the fuck up.. this is what i do..
All but one of them is on some kind of probation.. and everyone has your attitude they will never change.. but if someone gives a fuck about more than taxes.. then they might have a reason to to better.. they might get better guidance .. you fuck...fuck you
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Who gives a fuck what you like and dont like.. you just said you dont care if they kill each other because its easier on tax payers and you dont get in their way...
I do get in their way.. because i dont want people killed..
Guess what - most of the time by a certain age - they are beyond help and redemption and rehabilitation. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but overall, its the degenerate "thug life" culture that is so pervasive and embraced by many of these young people that will keepthis cycle of crap going round and round.
Until the "gangsta" life and culture is shunned and no longer glorified, nothing will change.
I live in the Bronx, and we have many tiny different nabes. Some all jews, all irish, all wops, all black, hispanics, etc. i have lived here for my entire life and its the same ole same ole. Different year, same shit.
Same hoods with the same problems year after year. Same hoods keep nice so long as the Section 8, and welfare shit is kept out, year after year. I know how that comes across, but it is my observation after 35 years in the Bronx. After awhle - I just reached the conclusion that it is what it is and if people living in the shit hoods want to improve it, its up to them do do it. If they want to live like animals in the zoo - fine too. Just leave me the fuck aone.
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Guess what - most of the time by a certain age - they are beyond help and redemption and rehabilitation. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but overall, its the degenerate "thug life" culture that is so pervasive and embraced by many of these young people that will keepthis cycle of crap going round and round.
Until the "gangsta" life and culture is shunned and no longer glorified, nothing will change.
Well maybe Kwanza does that.. and those few people it helps.. thats better than none.. like i said.. you arent hardwired like me.. everything aint black and white to me.. its not all about a dollar. I didnt get into medicine for money. I dont help for money... i go broke helping these kids.. and for a kid that could have went left.. i help him go right.. thats why do what i do.. you dont give a fuck you stated it.. so why are you even commenting ....just give up.. you look at them as scum and i look at them as people.. so again.. fuck you
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Well maybe Kwanza does that.. and those few people it helps.. thats better than none.. like i said.. you arent hardwired like me.. everything aint black and white to me.. its not all about a dollar. I didnt get into medicine for money. I dont help for money... i go broke helping these kids.. and for a kid that could have went left.. i help him go right.. thats why do what i do.. you dont give a fuck you stated it.. so why are you even commenting ....just give up.. you look at them as scum and i look at them as people.. so again.. fuck you
And that's cool bro - seriously.
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right.. you do that.. ill do what i do.. you bitch about obama wearing sneakers to run and ill try to help some kid that needs some help..
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right.. you do that.. ill do what i do.. you bitch about obama wearing sneakers to run and ill try to help some kid that needs some help..
No prob. Were the sneakers made in a child labor factory?
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Guess what - most of the time by a certain age - they are beyond help and redemption and rehabilitation. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but overall, its the degenerate "thug life" culture that is so pervasive and embraced by many of these young people that will keepthis cycle of crap going round and round.
Until the "gangsta" life and culture is shunned and no longer glorified, nothing will change.
After awhle - I just reached the conclusion that it is what it is and if people living in the shit hoods want to improve it, its up to them do do it. If they want to live like animals in the zoo - fine too. Just leave me the fuck aone.
::) How can you type this in a thread you started about not understanding the principles of Kwanzaa?
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::) How can you type this in a thread you started about not understanding the principles of Kwanzaa?
I did not realize they were race based until today. I always thought it was typical feel good mamby pamby bs. When i saw Obama say that "collective work and responsibility" stuff, my antennas went up and I looked more into this. Its more marxist/progressive dogma to the tee that obama against got dead wrong.
We in this country thank god have INDIVIDUAL rights and responsibilitis, not collective bullshit. Maybe in Kenya they do shit that way, but the US Const. BOR is based on individual rights, not some other utopian fantasies of a violent felon and marxist who started this "holiday".
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Wake up and get a clue. When Bama and others talk about "collectivism" its code word for marxism.
BTW - Griffin is the author of Creature of Jekyll Island.
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Its a made-up holiday, what did you expect.
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And of course - the master.
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Its a made-up holiday, what did you expect.
They are ALL made up... Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, Veterans day... They're all made up.
What a ridiculous statement to make dude.
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They are ALL made up... Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Years, Veterans day... They're all made up.
What a ridiculous statement to make dude.
My favorite Holiday is 4th of July.
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My favorite Holiday is 4th of July.
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Sure isnt..sounds good.. but its a false statement
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Its a made-up holiday, what did you expect.
Oh wow.. are you shittin me.. that was the dumbest shit i have ever seen..
Are the other Holidays not made up?
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quote author=333386 link=topic=360455.msg5098329#msg5098329 date=1293486208]
My favorite Holiday is 4th of July.
Sure isnt..sounds good.. but its a false statement
It definately aint Kwanzaa, Chanuka, Ramadan, or Feast of the Rat, or some other crazy shit.
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It definately aint Kwanzaa, Chanuka, Ramadan, or Feast of the Rat, or some other crazy shit.
i know.. but you arent patriotic enough to consider 4th of july your fave.. well maybe you like all the fireworks..
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Oh wow.. are you shittin me.. that was the dumbest shit i have ever seen..
Are the other Holidays not made up?
Should we give kids off for Kwanzaa like we do Christmas, Easter, 4th of july, Thanksgiving, and others?
Maybe instead we can make them do this.
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i know.. but you arent patriotic enough to consider 4th of july your fave.. well maybe you like all the fireworks..
::)
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I did not realize they were race based until today.
Until the "gangsta" life and culture is shunned and no longer glorified, nothing will change.
I live in the Bronx, and we have many tiny different nabes. Some all jews, all irish, all wops, all black, hispanics, etc. i have lived here for my entire life and its the same ole same ole. Different year, same shit.
Same hoods with the same problems year after year. Same hoods keep nice so long as the Section 8, and welfare shit is kept out, year after year. I know how that comes across, but it is my observation after 35 years in the Bronx. After awhle - I just reached the conclusion that it is what it is and if people living in the shit hoods want to improve it, its up to them do do it.
Regardless of whether or not the principles are race based, you just said you feel the same way.
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Good...you want Kawanza..fine. I want Nathan Bedford Forrest day, James Earl Ray day..and whatever else you got. Fairs fair......I also want a day for every Irishmen killed by the Brits, or discriminated against by Prods in the US. On the other side I want a day for being catholic and discriminated against, and a day for Italians....I also want reparations from England. I want my white rights.
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Should we give kids off for Kwanzaa like we do Christmas, Easter, 4th of july, Thanksgiving, and others?
Maybe instead we can make them do this.
Kids are already off for Kwanzaa. Kwanzaa starts the day after Christmas. The criminal who started it never intended to replace Christmas, they are supposed to be celebrated together.
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Good...you want Kawanza..fine. I want Nathan Bedford Forrest day, James Earl Ray day..and whatever else you got. Fairs fair......I also want a day for every Irishmen killed by the Brits, or discriminated against by Prods in the US. On the other side I want a day for being catholic and discriminated against, and a day for Italians....I also want reparations from England. I want my white rights.
ok.. well make it up.. if thats what you believe in..
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And you guys wonder why I call him a marxist and communist?
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Good...you want Kawanza..fine. I want Nathan Bedford Forrest day, James Earl Ray day..and whatever else you got. Fairs fair......I also want a day for every Irishmen killed by the Brits, or discriminated against by Prods in the US. On the other side I want a day for being catholic and discriminated against, and a day for Italians....I also want reparations from England. I want my white rights.
Kwanzaa's not a federal holiday. (It isn't even really that popular- it's more a media thing). But you can start celebrating any of those holidays you listed anytime just like the people who celebrate Kwanzaa do.
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Kwanzaa's not a federal holiday. (It isn't even really that popular- it's more a media thing). But you can start celebrating any of those holidays you listed anytime just like the people who celebrate Kwanzaa do.
Maybe i will have to see if Hallmark can make up some cards like HH6 wants.
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It doesn't count unless I get media attention for my cause or causes. I need money, maybe I should braid my hair and wear a wind breaker..with gold chains. I need a church as well....yeah thats the ticket. ::)
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Maybe i will have to see if Hallmark can make up some cards like HH6 wants.
Thats what I need, and video's.....thanks buddy.
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It doesn't count unless I get media attention for my cause or causes. I need money, maybe I should braid my hair and wear a wind breaker..with gold chains. I need a church as well....yeah thats the ticket. ::)
But why do you give a fuck if it helps to bring together a community for good.. what the hell is the problem. Its not like we are saying "kill whitey".. its just something to focus on working together and rasing a commuity.. jesus h christ a lot of bitchassness on this thread about something that isnt that damn serious
"wahhh i want a holiday too"
fuck
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Thats what I need, and video's.....thanks buddy.
Lets call it - "Valhalla Day" - it even sounds cool.
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Maybe i will have to see if Hallmark can make up some cards like HH6 wants.
You don't need to do that. CVS has a machine that fills out blank cards with whatever you want them to say.
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But why do you give a fuck if it helps to bring together a community for good.. what the hell is the problem. Its not like we are saying "kill whitey".. its just something to focus on working together and rasing a commuity.. jesus h christ a lot of bitchassness on this thread about something that isnt that damn serious
"wahhh i want a holiday too"
fuck
I was bitching that Obama would claim that "collective work and responsibility" are american traits and traditions when that is utter fucking bullshit in the context of Kwanzaa and it being a code word for marxism and socialism as he himself defined it.
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I was bitching that Obama would claim that "collective work and responsibility" are american traits and traditions when that is utter fucking bullshit in the context of Kwanzaa and it being a code word for marxism and socialism as he himself defined it.
Collective work= working together..
stop being a pussy and acting like a woman on a period.. trying to read too deep into something. Blacks need to work together and need to take responsibility for actions.. like Bill Cosby said..
I was part of a kwanza Ceremony and it had nothing to do with politics..
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Collective work= working together..
stop being a pussy and acting like a woman on a period.. trying to read too deep into something. Blacks need to work together and need to take responsibility for actions.. like Bill Cosby said..
I was part of a kwanza Ceremony and it had nothing to do with politics..
Yeah - it sounds nice but that is not the intent. "Collectivism", in how it has been used by people like obama, the guy who founded this, etc - means a thing you really are clueless about.
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Yeah - it sounds nice but that is not the intent. "Collectivism", in how it has been used by people like obama, the guy who founded this, etc - means a thing you really are clueless about.
you are a whiny bitch huh..
Obama said "the"!!!!!!!!!!!!!"The" is a word thats in the communist manefesto...lmao..
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Sorry Mal - Obama has always talked about "collective" this and that in terms of "transforming" this nation from one of individal rights to a "collective" one.
I don't believe in "collective" anything. Fuck that shit. Obama, the founder of Kwanza, whoever, can take their "collective" asses and jump off a bridge with it.
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But why do you give a fuck if it helps to bring together a community for good.. what the hell is the problem. Its not like we are saying "kill whitey".. its just something to focus on working together and rasing a commuity.. jesus h christ a lot of bitchassness on this thread about something that isnt that damn serious
"wahhh i want a holiday too"
fuck
Most people really don't see it like that though. When you see things on a daily basis such as BET, NAACP,United Negro College Fund, Kwanza, affirmitive action, etc. you become a bit jaded and begin to ::) at things based solely on race, no matter if they are for a good cause or not. I mean, even the NFL requires teams to interview a black coach regardless of the owners intentions. I would venture to say most white people feal the same way as 333, maybe not so passionately, but to some extent. If you use it for good like you say, then major props to you and your community. But you got to look at the other side and see what others see sometimes.
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Most people really don't see it like that though. When you see things on a daily basis such as BET, NAACP,United Negro College Fund, Kwanza, affirmitive action, etc. you become a bit jaded and begin to ::) at things based solely on race, no matter if they are for a good cause or not. I mean, even the NFL requires teams to interview a black coach regardless of the owners intentions. I would venture to say most white people feal the same way as 333, maybe not so passionately, but to some extent. If you use it for good like you say, then major props to you and your community. But you got to look at the other side and see what others see sometimes.
can you expand on this ?
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I heard that too.
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I heard that too.
heard what ?
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heard what ?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/322718-nfls-rooney-rule-is-an-embarrassment-to-black-coaches
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/322718-nfls-rooney-rule-is-an-embarrassment-to-black-coaches
weird article
I'm not quite sure I understand the connection between the article and the statement
I mean, even the NFL requires teams to interview a black coach regardless of the owners intentions. .
can you clarify it a bit more?
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what doesnt compute for you?
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can you expand on this ?
Mike Singletary was fired yesterday by the 49r's, so lets say the owner has made up his mind and has been able to bring Bill Cowher(white guy, ex Steeler head coach) to San Francisco. So, done deal, they agree on a salary the whole deal. Before he can bring in Cowher, he HAS to interview at least one black head coach applicant (The Rooney rule). It's a fairly new league policy, with good intentions I suppose. But when these guys are shelling out millions of dollars and multi year contracts, I'm sure they have in mind who they want. White, black, green or yellow.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81aee8b1/article/nfl-receives-high-marks-for-racial-diversity-hiring-from-study
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what doesnt compute for you?
is this a requirement of the NFL?
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is this a requirement of the NFL?
Yes
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81aee8b1/article/nfl-receives-high-marks-for-racial-diversity-hiring-from-study
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Most people really don't see it like that though. When you see things on a daily basis such as BET, NAACP,United Negro College Fund, Kwanza, affirmitive action, etc. you become a bit jaded and begin to ::) at things based solely on race, no matter if they are for a good cause or not. I mean, even the NFL requires teams to interview a black coach regardless of the owners intentions. I would venture to say most white people feal the same way as 333, maybe not so passionately, but to some extent. If you use it for good like you say, then major props to you and your community. But you got to look at the other side and see what others see sometimes.
but if you dont want to be a part of it..just but out..but to equate it to some communist take over...is absurd
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Yes
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81aee8b1/article/nfl-receives-high-marks-for-racial-diversity-hiring-from-study
so this article seems to be positive
are you for or against this
I'm still not sure I understand your point in this sentence
I mean, even the NFL requires teams to interview a black coach regardless of the owners intentions.
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but if you dont want to be a part of it..just but out..but to equate it to some communist take over...is absurd
The problem with some of the kooks around here... Is either you're with us, or youre a goddam commie.
When the fuck is this? 1970?
Hell, our biggest trading partner is COMMUNIST china. Why is everyone so worried about the "commies" when the commies are the ones making their TVs, refrigerators, Blu-Ray Players, and everything else?
You don't like "commies"? Stop buying the shit they make.
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The problem with some of the kooks around here... Is either you're with us, or youre a goddam commie.
When the fuck is this? 1970?
Hell, our biggest trading partner is COMMUNIST china. Why is everyone so worried about the "commies" when the commies are the ones making their TVs, refrigerators, Blu-Ray Players, and everything else?
You don't like "commies"? Stop buying the shit they make.
our biggest source of credit as well
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so this article seems to be positive
are you for or against this
I'm still not sure I understand your point in this sentence
Meaning if the owner has his mind made up on who he will hire(assuming the hiree is white)the owner would still have to interview a black candidate due to the Rooney Rule, even if he has zero intentions of hiring the black candidate. I think it is silly, because like I said earlier, with big money contracts involved the owner is going to hire the best guy for the job. And color will not matter at that point.