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Rashad Evans Steps In to Face Quinton “Rampage” Jackson at UFC 130
Posted on February 9, 2011 by Damon Martin
It appears that while Quinton “Rampage” Jackson won’t get a title shot, he will get a second fight against a former champion.
Sources have indicated to MMAWeekly.com on Wednesday that Thiago Silva has been forced to withdraw from his upcoming fight at UFC 130, and will be replaced by former UFC light heavyweight champion Rashad Evans.
Neither Evan’s co-manager Malki Kawa or Jackson’s representatives could be reached for comment, but sources close to the bout confirmed that it will be Evans that steps into the UFC 130 fight.
Evans was just forced out of his UFC 128 bout against Mauricio “Shogun” Rua due to a knee sprain suffered in training. The Team Jackson fighter wasn’t seriously injured, and was already hoping to be back as early as May. It looks like he’ll get his wish.
There’s no love lost between Evans and Rampage, who had an epic war of words leading up to their fight at UFC 114 in May 2010. Evans went on to win the fight by unanimous decision, but then waited for an injured Rua to return for a shot at the belt.
Unfortunately for Evans, due to the knee injury, his training partner and close friend Jon Jones will get the chance to fight for the belt instead, and he will get another shot at Jackson.
The bout between Evans and Jackson will still be a co-main event fight for the card headlined by UFC lightweight champion Frankie Edgar defending his belt against Gray Maynard.
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Interesting.
Bad idea for Rashad. Can only go down.
I bet this was pushed on him by Dana.
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I could live without seeing it again.
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Quinton by TKO.
Can't wait for this fight.
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Rampage by stoppage.
Dana trying to rid ufc of rashad. Feed him to the sharks.
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Rampage by stoppage.
Dana trying to rid ufc of rashad. Feed him to the sharks.
you're dreaming.
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you're dreaming.
About what? Page by stoppage or Dana wanting to rid himself of that human bore/booo fest named evans?
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About what? Page by stoppage or Dana wanting to rid himself of that human bore/booo fest named evans?
about Dana wanting to get rid of his number 2 rated LHW. You're nuts if you think dana is trying to get rid of him. You don't try to get rid of anyone in the top 10 imo...especially at number 2 rank.
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Ok- then explain this; why is Jones fighting Shogun unless Dana thinks Rampage will beat Rashad?
Jones has said repeatedly that he would never fight Rashad. So, unless Rashad plans on retiring-- if Jones wins the title and Rashad beats Rampage, what's supposed to happen then?
And think of it like this-- If Shogun beats Jones and Rampage beats Rashad, Jones and Rashad are on a collision course anyway;
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Jones is fighting Rampage bc at this point Jones is a HUGE cash cow for Dana.
I see your point about them possibly having to face off if Rashad beats Rampage, which I think he will.
Dana's interest in Jones is greater than Rashads...at least right now. But this doesn't mean Dana is trying to get rid of Rashad by any means.
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about Dana wanting to get rid of his number 2 rated LHW. You're nuts if you think dana is trying to get rid of him. You don't try to get rid of anyone in the top 10 imo...especially at number 2 rank.
Dana could cut Evans TODAY, will be news until about saturday when that HW tournament starts then he'll already be yesterdays news. That's just how much pull he has as this so called no.2 ranked LHW. He won't be missed at all.
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Dana could cut Evans TODAY, will be news until about saturday when that HW tournament starts then he'll already be yesterdays news. That's just how much pull he has as this so called no.2 ranked LHW. He won't be missed at all.
I think the point you're obviously missing is that Rashad, hate him or not, is ranked #2. That means money. People wanna see top contenders fight.
I don't know why you're not getting this.
I agree, he may be boring, etc, but his ranking means top level fights, which equates to money. This is why Dana is not getting "rid" of rashad.
Hope this clears things up for you.
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I think the point you're obviously missing is that Rashad, hate him or not, is ranked #2. That means money. People wanna see top contenders fight.
I don't know why you're not getting this.
I agree, he may be boring, etc, but his ranking means top level fights, which equates to money. This is why Dana is not getting "rid" of rashad.
Hope this clears things up for you.
IMO- Dana sees Jones as a much bigger potential draw and a once per generation phenom that is worth a lot more to the UFC than Rashad Evans. If Jones refuses to fight Evans, they train in the same camp (which is the only one Jones has ever known) and they are on a pretty much inevitable collision course-- what possible motive could Dana have for throwing Jones in to fight Shogun except if he expects him to lose or he wants to get rid of Rashad? None of this makes any sense from a Rashad Evans-UFC relationship standpoint. Is Jones expected to win the title and then change weight classes? Is Rashad going to beat Rampage and get a shot at a champion that refuses to fight him? It is a mindless and poorly calculated decision from White's perspective unless he knows one of the following is pretty much a certainty- 1) Jones will move up to HW if he becomes champ (2) Rashads injury is career threatening and he will likely retire soon or he will retire because he doesn't want to fight anymore (3) Jones has no shot against Shogun or Rashad has no shot against Rampage, so this is all a moot point
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Nice assessment. I too agree (a few posts up) that Dana eyes Jones as a much bigger purse than Rashad.
I'm throwing out the conclusion that Dana is trying to get rid of him right off the bat. Makes no sense why he would.
SO, given that, I'm thinking rashad could be going down to 185. I don't like him at HW. Just too small. But at 185, he could pose a threat.
There has gotta be something up Dana's sleeve, I agree. But I really doubt he's trying to get Rashad outta the UFC.
George, you posed some ideas. But which do you believe is the reason?
Perhaps even Dana didn't clearly think through this scenario.. although I highly doubt that. He did say it was spur of the moment (for what that's worth)
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about Dana wanting to get rid of his number 2 rated LHW. You're nuts if you think dana is trying to get rid of him. You don't try to get rid of anyone in the top 10 imo...especially at number 2 rank.
Rashad may be ranked #2, but he is not the second best LHW in the world. Lyoto is.
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Nice assessment. I too agree (a few posts up) that Dana eyes Jones as a much bigger purse than Rashad.
I'm throwing out the conclusion that Dana is trying to get rid of him right off the bat. Makes no sense why he would.
SO, given that, I'm thinking rashad could be going down to 185. I don't like him at HW. Just too small. But at 185, he could pose a threat.
There has gotta be something up Dana's sleeve, I agree. But I really doubt he's trying to get Rashad outta the UFC.
George, you posed some ideas. But which do you believe is the reason?
Perhaps even Dana didn't clearly think through this scenario.. although I highly doubt that. He did say it was spur of the moment (for what that's worth)
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Honestly, I have no idea. Dana clearly has something up his sleeve here. My gut tells me that he has inside info about Rashad regarding his future in the division or his long term plans as a fighter. Otherwise, he has really set himself up for a disaster in the LHW division. Regarding your prediction about Rashad possibly moving to 185, I dont see it. Keep in mnd that he won TUF as a HW and already dropped a weight class.
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I think the point you're obviously missing is that Rashad, hate him or not, is ranked #2. That means money. People wanna see top contenders fight.
I don't know why you're not getting this.
I agree, he may be boring, etc, but his ranking means top level fights, which equates to money. This is why Dana is not getting "rid" of rashad.
Hope this clears things up for you.
Do you actually think fans ranked him no.2 or something?
You actually think his "draw" numbers per the events he headlines justifies him being the #2 LHW ?
Rankings don't mean jack in UFC. It's all about the current champ and the guy who Dana decides is the top contender for the title....the rest is just round robin win and wait and see, and if DANA decides there is a young, fresh,exciting guy (bones) he wants to shoot up past rashad OR rampage and give him a shot at the belt...guess what....HE WILL.
Dana is about $$$ and exciting match ups. Not Greco-Roman Wrestling Tournaments
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Rankings don't mean jack in UFC. It's all about the current champ and the guy who Dana decides is the top contender for the title....
BINGO !
Finally, someone who doesn't have their head up ass regarding the whole rankings thing..
oh hi "bench guy"
;D
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K1: The point I was arguing against is that Dana wouldn't try to "get rid" of a number 2 ranked LHW. Why? He'd go elsewhere to fight and pull numbers in, due to the fact that at number 2, he is skirting on title shots. That means dollar signs.
I know ppl think hes boring etc, but that's beside the point i'm making.
Dana isn't trying to get rid of him. Believe me.
Rashad did fight HW before.. but at LHW, I still see him as carrying a bit of bf. I think he could do some damage at 185.
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K1: The point I was arguing against is that Dana wouldn't try to "get rid" of a number 2 ranked LHW. Why? He'd go elsewhere to fight and pull numbers in, due to the fact that at number 2, he is skirting on title shots. That means dollar signs.
I know ppl think hes boring etc, but that's beside the point i'm making.
Dana isn't trying to get rid of him. Believe me.
Rashad did fight HW before.. but at LHW, I still see him as carrying a bit of bf. I think he could do some damage at 185.
You're dreaming. I would be shocked if Rashad jumped down to 185, unless Anderson moved up to 205-- in which case there will be another huge match making problem because GSP is supposed to move up to 185. If that happens, Rashad isn't going to fight GSP. Who knows, maybe Dana just hates Greg Jackson and wants to dismantle his camp.
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You're dreaming. I would be shocked if Rashad jumped down to 185, unless Anderson moved up to 205-- in which case there will be another huge match making problem because GSP is supposed to move up to 185. If that happens, Rashad isn't going to fight GSP. Who knows, maybe Dana just hates Greg Jackson and wants to dismantle his camp.
You can't possibly think Dana wants Rashad outta the UFC. UFC has MANY other boring fighters, including GSP.
MW or HW, idk. It's either one of those, or Rashad and Jones will just have to square off. It wouldn't be the first time teammates fought, especially for a title and especially when your checkwriter is calling for it.
This whole idea that Dana wants to get rid of Rashad is absolutely ridiculous and I'm not arguing against that idea anymore. It's SO ridiculous.
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K1: The point I was arguing against is that Dana wouldn't try to "get rid" of a number 2 ranked LHW. Why? He'd go elsewhere to fight and pull numbers in, due to the fact that at number 2, he is skirting on title shots. That means dollar signs.
I know ppl think hes boring etc, but that's beside the point i'm making.
Dana isn't trying to get rid of him. Believe me.
Rashad did fight HW before.. but at LHW, I still see him as carrying a bit of bf. I think he could do some damage at 185.
I get your argument. I just disagree with it 100%. Evans could be elsewhere and fight, pull some #'s for that first show and it be a wrap after that b/c of the product he's selling which is boredom.
I don't see his ranking being a factor at all. A company (outside the UFC) can try to market him as "the no2 LW" but his product won't back it up to the viewing public even if he wins. This all equals low $$$$.
Always remember (esp. in america) no matter how good an athlete is or thinks he is, no matter how many awards, pro bowls, ranks...whatever he has amassed....we (the viewing public) pay the bills. There is no UFC if fans don't show up and don't watch it. If you are hurting these "numbers" and/or simply cannot carry your "show" or "headline" you are a liability and more than likely that owner will weed you out in a slow death fashion.
Rashad only hope is to win win win and put dana in situation where he simply cannot be weeded out and put to a slow death and he have a case. I bet even Rashad would tell you this. Rashad losing speeds up dana process of weeding him out. What is Rashad contract looking like anyway? Is he still on his TUF contract?
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The list of boring fighters the UFC employs is long. GSP is at the top. Why isn't Dana trying to get rid of him? What about Machida? What Franklin or Griffin.
Dana ISN"T trying to get rid of Rashad bro.
There is something else in the works OR Dana just didn't think things thru.
I think if Jones beats Rua, there would probably be a rematch anyway. that's how it goes as of late it seems.
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The list of boring fighters the UFC employs is long. GSP is at the top. Why isn't Dana trying to get rid of him? What about Machida? What Franklin or Griffin.
Dana ISN"T trying to get rid of Rashad bro.
There is something else in the works OR Dana just didn't think things thru.
I think if Jones beats Rua, there would probably be a rematch anyway. that's how it goes as of late it seems.
Im not saying K1 is right here, but no other explanation makes much sense unless Rashad is going to retire or switch weight classes. If the answer isn't one of those three posibilities, then Dana just wants to dismantle Greg Jacksons camp.
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I haven't got the explanation either. But I'm sure Rashads going nowhere soon.
But, then again, stranger things happen.
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"I'm happy for Jones, I think it's a great fight for him. I think Jones is going to smash Rua."
"Training with Jones in practice, he's one of the best guys I've ever trained with. The level he's gotten to so fast is scary and alarming. He's one of those guys at the gym, he'll be the first one there and the last one to leave. ... He's hungry, he wants it, so I'm glad if it's going to be someone to step into my place, I'm glad it's him."
"I'm still not going to fight Jon. I will always find something to challenge myself. I will go up to heavyweight or down to middleweight. But I will not fight Jon."
from MMA Live
I cut and pasted the above from mmaweekly.com.. from some thread.
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And now:
Hammil is in against Rampage, NOT Rashad.
Dana must've thought about the scenario a little bit more.. lol.
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And now:
Hammil is in against Rampage, NOT Rashad.
Dana must've thought about the scenario a little bit more.. lol.
Rashad was just saying Jones will beat Shogun because he has to. Jones is his buddy now so expect Rashad to duck more and more fights in the future, like he just ducked Shogun.
Rashad wants no part of guys like Rua, Machida, or Anderson because he knows what level they are on and what level he is on.
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OMFG Hammil!?!?
Rampage lost a cunthair of a decision to Rashad and won a cunthair of a decision against Machida. How the fuck can you set him up with Silva (a good and respectable opponent) to Rashad (a grudgematch that would be a huge draw PPV wise and that most fans would like to see) to a deaf tin can scrub like Hammil? What a slap in the face to Rampage.
Im starting to think that Dana's cocaine intake is starting to melt his brain into sludge.
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Consider Rashad spared.
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Consider Rashad spared.
Right. ::)
Looks like Dana isn't trying to get rid of anyone.
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OMFG Hammil!?!?
Rampage lost a cunthair of a decision to Rashad and won a cunthair of a decision against Machida. How the fuck can you set him up with Silva (a good and respectable opponent) to Rashad (a grudgematch that would be a huge draw PPV wise and that most fans would like to see) to a deaf tin can scrub like Hammil? What a slap in the face to Rampage.
Im starting to think that Dana's cocaine intake is starting to melt his brain into sludge.
Agreed. Step down imo for Page. However, I think (and probably so does Dana) that Page should KO Hamill.
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Yeah, but then what? Have him fight Rashad? Again, Dana looks like he is using cocaine and alcohol to decide his matches lately.
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Hamill is going to get smashed.
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Right. ::)
Looks like Dana isn't trying to get rid of anyone.
Rashad is at the end of his contract. Whose he gonna fight? + the lay off is extended = disaster for him. Think about it.
It will be a year since he's fought in May
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Who knows. We can only speculate.
I REALLY would like to see him drop though. MW does need some more talent.
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Who knows. We can only speculate.
I REALLY would like to see him drop though. MW does need some more talent.
yes middle is very soft. I think the drop might hurt him a bit. Guys are more "techincal" from middle on down. A little more hustle in the lower classes if you know what I mean.
Lt heavy on up to me seems the guys know knock outs pay the bills, so they are less likely to try to set up triangles, ankle locks, chokes..etc ...less hustle less technical at times.
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True
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first fight was boring. i do hope rampage knocks him out. but i see rashad running and getting a take down and his wife yelling so loud that you can hear her over the entire crowd that night
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first fight was boring. i do hope rampage knocks him out. but i see rashad running and getting a take down and his wife yelling so loud that you can hear her over the entire crowd that night
Page is fighting Hamil. Apparently rashad was asked about this and he said he was never even approached with a contract offer to fight rampage, so this is all news to him. This is second information I heard on sunday.